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What if I am right about Obama?

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My position on what I think an Obama Presidency is well known on this forum so I'm not going to relist everything one more time.

This post is to determine if those who disagree with me - BM, IL, SoCrazes, the Fluffster et. al. - have really stopped to think what it would mean if I am right or they are right about Obama.

Suppose Obama wins the election.

If I am right it could be the end of America as we have known and loved her and along with it free markets, freedom of choice, capitalism and self determination

If you are right then it's the start of a new age of prosperity and friendship the likes of which have never been seen before (or so the promises go).

So which are you willing to take the chance on?

IOW, if you're right and I'm wrong then no harm/no foul and we all laugh our way to the bar.

But if I am right and you are wrong then we cry together on the government bread line.

I just want to assertain if you have truly stopped to think of both sides and are willing to that much chance it.

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My position on what I think an Obama Presidency is well known on this forum so I'm not going to relist everything one more time.

This post is to determine if those who disagree with me - BM, IL, SoCrazes, the Fluffster et. al. - have really stopped to think what it would mean if I am right or they are right about Obama.

Suppose Obama wins the election.

If I am right it could be the end of America as we have known and loved her and along with it free markets, freedom of choice, capitalism and self determination

If you are right then it's the start of a new age of prosperity and friendship the likes of which have never been seen before (or so the promises go).

So which are you willing to take the chance on?

IOW, if you're right and I'm wrong then no harm/no foul and we all laugh our way to the bar.

But if I am right and you are wrong then we cry together on the government bread line.

I just want to assertain if you have truly stopped to think of both sides and are willing to that much chance it.

yep, right, and the ignominious Judeo-Masonic-Communistoid get-on will finally rule the world with help of the Illuminati furthering the return of the Reptilians.

Keep on m********ing your brains, with a little practice in spelling and text morphology you could become a fiction author.

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One thing for sure, the inside of Air Force One will smell. ^_^

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One thing for sure, the inside of Air Force One will smell. ^_^

I know you didn't go there. You forgot the fuzzy dice and blaring rap music.

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I know you didn't go there. You forgot the fuzzy dice and blaring rap music.

I did! And that statement is not baseless.

Fuzzy dice and rap music is from you, base on ?

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Suppose Obama wins the election.

If I am right it could be the end of America as we have known and loved her and along with it free markets, freedom of choice, capitalism and self determination

If you are right then it's the start of a new age of prosperity and friendship the likes of which have never been seen before (or so the promises go).

So which are you willing to take the chance on?

IOW, if you're right and I'm wrong then no harm/no foul and we all laugh our way to the bar.

But if I am right and you are wrong then we cry together on the government bread line.

I just want to assertain if you have truly stopped to think of both sides and are willing to that much chance it.

We don't have a free market in this country--we have, and have had for decades, corporate socialism; wealth redistribution UP. Funny that you would say Obama threatens freedom of choice, when a McCain/Palin administration would be working to eliminate Roe v. Wade. Capitalism? We have a mixed economy, get over it. So your notion that Obama would destroy these things we don't have--or won't have, if McCain/Palin get their way--is...well, you know, confused to say the least.

A lot of folks see a McCain/Palin administration as a major threat to American democracy (or even any hope of democracy with the sheer number of low-information voters it would take to elect Palin now to any office). A lot of folks see Palin as an unrepentant Christo-fascist who would happily destroy the separation between church and state out of sheer ignorance and hubris, if nothing else. A lot of folks see Palin's corruption as a cross between Bush's and Cheney's worst attributes. A lot of people see McCain as a man who has sold all his principles to satisfy his ambition. A lot of people see Reaganomics as a bankrupt (pun unavoidable) ideology. The America we've known and loved IS on the skids, thanks to Bush/Cheney and thanks to the slow-motion economic suicide of the Reagan revolution--sure was fun while it lasted, though! McCain is a grandstanding 26 year dilettante in the Senate (an impressive achievement in itself) who can't even make a credible choice of V.P. A McCain/Palin administration would be a continuation of the most ruinous policies, foreign and domestic, this country has seen in my lifetime (btw, the Surge<tm> will have to end someday, we'll have to stop bribing the millitias some day, and when that day comes, we'll see how "successful" the Surge<tm> has been).

The McCain I've seen over the past 20 months has been twistin' in the wind--his entire strategy is based on high-stakes gambles that blow up in his face, again, and again, and again. Is that the kind of President you want? He has ABSOLUTELY no long term solutions to offer for any problem, not the least of which are the daily catastrophes faced by his campaign! He didn't even know that working his dwindling crowds into angry, low-information mobs was A BAD IDEA. Whoopsie!

So the issue is not simply whether or not you are wrong about Obama. Have you ever considered that you might be dead wrong about McCain/Palin as well?

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I just want to assertain if you have truly stopped to think of both sides and are willing to that much chance it.

If only you were to worry so much about your rights and freedoms under the current administration...

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As asserted earlier, we don't have capitalism - we have a mixed economy that has now grown more socialistic with the bailouts and the nationalisation of many banks. This has occurred before the 2008 presidential race has ended; therefore, the blame cannot go toward a "President" McCain nor a "President" Obama.

As far as it being the end of "America" as we know it? The America today is definitely not the America of "yesterday." Everything is in a constant state of change. What you must ask yourself is: are you (or your country) changing for the better, or are you (or your country) changing for the worst? Assessing our nation after this last administration's run (even before the economic crisis), I must say we've have changed for the worst and this is coming from a person who has always voted for a republican president.

I hope that whoever wins the election, whether McCain or Obama, will help:

1. bring more peace in the world and less hatred.

2. increase the diversity of energy sources so that not one corner of the world can hold levarage over our lives.

3. solve the economic crisis and instill a system of order to our economy.

There are other wishes on my "Santa" list; but, these are the top three that pretty much guide the rest. Poo, in the spirit of number 1 above, I'd have a beer with you anytime. :)

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If I am right it could be the end of America as we have known and loved her.....

I hope so.

The current america isn't to my liking. Lets hope your "change" is for the better..

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I'm with Inhuman on this. Time we stopped living off the accomplishments of the past and move fowards to make newer and better accomplishments. I don't see that happening with McCain and Palin.

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You all just might get your wish.

Let us all hope and pray none of us live to regret it.

I hate to reference pop culture, but I think sometimes many a truth is said in jest and this says it well:

"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." (Padme to Bail Organa, Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith)

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You all just might get your wish.

Let us all hope and pray none of us live to regret it.

I hate to reference pop culture, but I think sometimes many a truth is said in jest and this says it well:

"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." (Padme to Bail Organa, Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith)

Yeah, they were applauding pretty loud at the republican rallies when they compared obama to a terrorist.

So yeah, applause all the way around from wing nuts.

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You all just might get your wish.

Let us all hope and pray none of us live to regret it.

I hate to reference pop culture, but I think sometimes many a truth is said in jest and this says it well:

"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause." (Padme to Bail Organa, Star Wars III: Revenge of the Sith)

I'd say Bush has passed more laws acts and bills that have stolen more of our liberty than the previous 200 years combined,there are very few liberties left to take.

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I'd say Bush has passed more laws acts and bills that have stolen more of our liberty than the previous 200 years combined,there are very few liberties left to take.

The greatest liberty is the freedom of self determination from your own hard labors and risk taking. IOW, you keep what you make.

This is IMO the greatest threat to freedom Obama represents based on his stated policies, and those of the people around him and who advise/support him.

Everything else is minor by comparison. If you have to labor long and hard but can have the state take away the fruits of those labors just because you have more than someone else, as I've said here countless times before, there is no ethical or moral justification for such legalized Robinhood tactics.

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Nickoli is correct. The Constitution has been used as toliet paper in the oval office the past 8 years. A simple perusal of the bailout plan as originated by W and Paulson will show you that they don't even look to the US Constitution for guidance.

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If Bush has shredded the Constitution please tell me how many of your friends, teachers and co-workers ahve just disappeared into thin air over the last 8 years?

How many of your neighbors have been dragged from their homes in the middle of the night and tossed in back of black vans?

How many times do you hear clicking and buzzing on the phone?

How many of your letters and packages have arrived opened or mangled?

How often have you been stopped and strip searched for no reason?

This is old and tired. Get a new line.

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If Bush has shredded the Constitution please tell me how many of your friends, teachers and co-workers ahve just disappeared into thin air over the last 8 years?

How many of your neighbors have been dragged from their homes in the middle of the night and tossed in back of black vans?

How many times do you hear clicking and buzzing on the phone?

How many of your letters and packages have arrived opened or mangled?

How often have you been stopped and strip searched for no reason?

This is old and tired. Get a new line.

Poo, have you even read the orginal bailout document?

Edited by SoCrazes

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The greatest liberty is the freedom of self determination from your own hard labors and risk taking. IOW, you keep what you make.

This is IMO the greatest threat to freedom Obama represents based on his stated policies, and those of the people around him and who advise/support him.

Everything else is minor by comparison. If you have to labor long and hard but can have the state take away the fruits of those labors just because you have more than someone else, as I've said here countless times before, there is no ethical or moral justification for such legalized Robinhood tactics.

But it's perfectly okay to take away the fruits of those labors just because you have less than someone else?

There are definitely no ethical or moral justifications for legalized Sheriff of Nottingham tactics. Robin Hood, on the other hand, was pretty much a Folk Hero.

However - here's a stunning thought - wouldn't it be fair if everyone paid the same rate of tax?

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Poo, have you even read the orginal bailout document?

Oh, here we go!!!

You people (and by that I mean you and other Liberals) are wonderful.

We MUST have a bailout bill NOW!!!

But then rip Bush to shreds for every sentence and paragraph in it. As if he wrote every line in it.

Call your Congressman if you don't like it.

Just can't win for loosing.

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But it's perfectly okay to take away the fruits of those labors just because you have less than someone else?

Who taking away the fruit from the lessers??

However - here's a stunning thought - wouldn't it be fair if everyone paid the same rate of tax?

Are you trying to sweet-talk me? ;)

I'd love to see a flat across the board 20% or so flat tax for all!!

But that will never happen because there is too much power for the Demcrates to redistribute the wealth and foster class envy.

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If Bush has shredded the Constitution please tell me how many of your friends, teachers and co-workers ahve just disappeared into thin air over the last 8 years?

How many of your neighbors have been dragged from their homes in the middle of the night and tossed in back of black vans?

How many times do you hear clicking and buzzing on the phone?

How many of your letters and packages have arrived opened or mangled?

How often have you been stopped and strip searched for no reason?

This is old and tired. Get a new line.

You should read the news from something other than fox news. You would be surprised to know that many many constitutional problems have occurred under bushy boy and little cheney. 750+ signing statements alone is enough to make any person pay attention...wiretapping without a warrant(perhaps you think it is necessary to record phone sex from our soldiers to their wives back home Story Here, but most people dont feel that falls under national security).

There are a lot of problems going on. I wish you were as worried about your securities and freedoms under the white republican as you claim to be about the half black democrat that you keep repeatedly claiming(without merit or proof) is a Muslim.

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There are a lot of problems going on. I wish you were as worried about your securities and freedoms under the white republican as you claim to be about the half black democrat that you keep repeatedly claiming(without merit or proof) is a Muslim.

I am very worried because now it appears there is a chance a man like Obama will be in the office using those same powers.

If Bush was sooooo wrong, is Obama going to sign an Executive Order on day-1 abolishing all of Bush's policies regarding the wiretaps etc? I wouldn't bet the next mortgage payment on that!

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Oh, here we go!!!

You people (and by that I mean you and other Liberals) are wonderful.

We MUST have a bailout bill NOW!!!

But then rip Bush to shreds for every sentence and paragraph in it. As if he wrote every line in it.

Call your Congressman if you don't like it.

Just can't win for loosing.

I'm talking about the "original" 3-page plan that Bush and Paulson drafted and sent to the House the first time. Here is a link: http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/20/news/econo...posal/index.htm

It is an easy read and very short. The thing that really irked me was section 8.

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I'm talking about the "original" 3-page plan that Bush and Paulson drafted and sent to the House the first time. Here is a link: http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/20/news/econo...posal/index.htm

It is an easy read and very short. The thing that really irked me was section 8.

I don't see where Bush is ordered the formation of a secret police force, rounding up people, suspension of the Constitution -etc maybe you should check your link? ;)

ps- If you have the time to spend then go read the literally hundreds of crazy proposals and bills that get submitted every year! Even I think you would be shocked at what our elected "leaders" try to get passed! (sometimes I think they just do it to see if anyone is really watching!)

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I am very worried because now it appears there is a chance a man like Obama will be in the office using those same powers.

If Bush was sooooo wrong, is Obama going to sign an Executive Order on day-1 abolishing all of Bush's policies regarding the wiretaps etc? I wouldn't bet the next mortgage payment on that!

What is the difference between bush and obama?

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