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Abrahamic god death count running total.

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Was the abrahamic god the worst serial killer in human history?

If we are to take the abrahamic texts and sects seriously (judaism/christianity/islam) then it appears their god-far from being a nice,caring,white bearded,lovey-dovey sort of a chap- is in fact the most

vicious,malicious,malevolent,vindictive and deranged serial killer in human history:

Just how many has God killed? (Complete list and estimated total):

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/20...plete-list.html

It seems god's total murder rap is 33 million (ish) human beings.

Good work god....well they were probably only inferior non beleivers anyway.

""I kill ... I wound ... I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh."" -- Deuteronomy 32:39-42

Comprehensive murder rap - running estimated total:

""God drowns everyone on earth (except Noah and his family) Genesis 7:23, BT 30,000,000? 30,000,000

God rains fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah, killing everyone. Gen.19:24, BT 1000? 30,001,000

Lot's wife for looking back Gen.19:26, BT 1 30,001,001

Er who was "wicked in the sight of the Lord" Gen.38:7, 1 Chr.2:3, BT 1 30,001,002

Onan for spilling his seed Gen.38:10, BT 1 30,001,003

7th Egyptian Plague: Hail Exodus 9:25, BT 30,000? 30,031,003

God kills every Egyptian firstborn child. Ex.12:29-30, BT 500,000? 30,531,003

God drowns Egyptian army Ex.14:28, BT 1000? 30,532,003

God and Moses help Joshua kill the Amalekites Ex.17:13, BT 1000? 30,533,003

For dancing naked around Aaron's golden calf Ex.32:27-28, 35, BT 3000 30,536,003

Aaron's sons for offering strange fire before the Lord Lev.10:1-3, Num.3:4, 26:61, BT 2 30,536,005

A blasphemer Lev.24:10-23, BT 1 30,536,006

God burned to death an unknown number for complaining Numbers 11:1, BT 100? 30,536,106

God sent "a very great plague" for complaining about the food. Num.11:33, BT 10,000? 30,546,106

God killed those who murmured with a plague. Num.14:35-36, BT 100? 30,546,206

A man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath Num.15:32-36, BT 1 30,546,207

Korah, Dathan, and Abiram (and their families) Num.16:27, BT 12+ 30,546,219

Burned to death for offering incense Num.16:35, 26:10, BT 250 30,546,469

For complaining Num.16:49, BT 14,700 30,561,169

Massacre of the Aradites Num.21:1-3, BT 3000? 30,564,169

For complaining about the lack of food and water, God sent fiery serpents to bite the people, and many of them died. Num.21:6, BT 100? 30,564,269

God delivers the Bashanites into Moses' hands and Moses kills everyone "until there was none left alive." Num.21:34-35, BT 1000? 30,565,269

For "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab" Num.25:9, BT 24,000 30,589,269

Midianite massacre (32,000 virgins were kept alive) Num.31:1-35, BT 90,000+ 30,679,269

The slaughter of the Anakim, the childen of Esau, and the Horim Deuteronomy 2:21-22 5000? 30,684,269

God hardened the king of Heshbon's heart so that the Israelites could massacre his people. (included several cities) Dt.2:33-34, BT 3000? 30,687,269

God delievered the king of Bashan so that the Israelites could massacre his people. Dt.3:3-6 60,000? 30,747,269

Massacre of Jericho Joshua 6:21, BT 1000? 30,748,269

God tells Joshua to stone to death Achan (and his family) for taking the accursed thing. Joshua 7:10-12, 24-26, BT 5+ 30,748,274

God tells Joshua to attack Ai and do what he did to Jericho (kill everyone). Joshua 8:1-25, BT 12,000 30,760,274

God slaughters the Amorites and even chases them "along the way" as they try to escape. Joshua 10:10-11, BT 1000? 30,761,274

Joshua kills 5 kings and hangs their dead bodies on trees Joshua 10:24-26, BT 5 30,761,279

Massacre of 7 cities Joshua 10:28-42, BT 7000? 30,768,279

God delivers the Hazorites. Joshua 11:8-12, BT 1000? 30,769,279

Massacre of the Anakim Joshua 11:20-21, BT 1000? 30,770,279

God delivered Canaanites and Perizzites Judges 1:4, BT 10,000 30,780,279

Ehud delivers a message from God: a knife into the king's belly Jg.3:15-22, BT 1 30,780,280

God delivered Moabites Jg.3:28-29, BT 10,000 30,790,280

Massacre of the Canaanites Jg.4:15, BT 1000? 30,791,280

God forces Midianite soldiers to kill each other. Jg.7:2-22, 8:10, BT 120,000 30,911,280

God delivered the Ammonites to Jephthah to slaughter. Jg.11:32-33, BT 1000? 30,912,280

The Spirit of the Lord comes on Samson Jg.14:19, BT 30 30,912,310

The Spirit of the Lord comes mightily on Samson Jg.15:14-15, BT 1000 30,913,310

Samson's God-assisted act of terrorism Jg.16:27-30, BT 3000 30,916,310

"The Lord smote Benjamin" Jg.20:35-37, BT 25,100 30,941,410

More Benjamites Jg.20:44-46 25,000 30,966,410

For looking into the ark of the Lord 1 Sam.6:19, BT 50,070 31,016,480

God delivered Philistines 1 Sam.14:12, BT 20 31,016,500

God forces the Philistine soldiers to kill each other. 1 Sam.14:20, BT 1000? 31,017,500

God orders Saul to kill every Amalekite man, women, and child. 1 Sam.15:2-3, BT 1000? 31,018,500

Samuel (at God's command) hacks Agag to death 1 Sam.15:32-33, BT 1 31,018,501

God delivers the Philistines. 1 Sam.23:2-5 1000? 31,019,501

"The Lord smote Nabal." 1 Sam.25:38 1 31,019,502

God delivers the Philistines to David (again). 2 Sam.5:19, 25 1000? 31,020,502

Uzzah for trying to keep the ark from falling 2 Sam.6:6-7, 1 Chr.13:9-10 1 31,020,503

David and Bathsheba's baby boy 2 Samuel 12:14-18 1 31,020,504

God sent a three-year famine because of something Saul did. 2 Sam.21:1 5000? 31,025,504

Seven sons of Saul hung up before the Lord 2 Sam.21:6-9 7 31,025,511

From plague as punishment for David's census (men only; probably 200,000 if including women and children) 2 Sam.24:13, 1 Chr.21:7 70,000+ 31,095,511

A prophet for believing another prophet's lie 1 Kg.13:1-24 1 31,095,512

Baasha killed everyone in the house of Jeroboam "according to the saying of the Lord." 1 Kings 15:29 1000? 31,096,512

Zimri killed everyone in the house of Baasha "according to the word of the Lord." 1 Kg.16:11-12 1000? 31,097,512

Religious leaders killed in a prayer contest 1 Kg.18:22-40 450 31,097,962

God delivers the Syrians into the Israelites' hands 1 Kg.20:28-29 100,000 31,197,962

God makes a wall fall on Syrian soldiers 1 Kg.20:30 27,000 31,224,962

God sent a lion to eat a man for not killing a prophet 1 Kg.20:35-36 1 31,224,963

Ahaziah is killed for talking to the wrong god. 2 Kings 1:2-4, 17, 2 Chr.22:7-9 1 31,224,964

Burned to death by God 2 Kg.1:9-12 102 31,225,066

God sends two bears to kill children for making fun of Elisha's bald head 2 Kg.2:23-24 42 31,225,108

Trampled to death for disbelieving Elijah 2 Kg.7:17-20 1 31,225,109

God calls for a seven year famine. 2 Kg.8:1 10,000? 31,235,109

Jezebel 2 Kg.9:33-37 1 31,235,110

Jehu killed "all that remained unto Ahab in Samaria ... according to the saying of the Lord" 2 Kg.10:16-17 100? 31,235,210

God sent lions to kill "some" foreigners 2 Kg.17:25-26 3+ 31,235,213

Sleeping Assyrian soldiers 2 Kg.19:35, 2 Chr.32:21, Is.37:36 185,000 31,420,213

Saul 1 Chronicles 10:14 1 31,420,214

God delivers Israel into the hands of Judah 2 Chronicles 13:15-17 500,000 31,920,214

Jeroboam 2 Chr.13:20 1 31,920,215

"The Lord smote the Ethiopians." 2 Chr.14:9-14 1,000,000 32,920,215

God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 32,920,216

Judean soldiers because they had forsaken the Lord 2 Chr.28:6 120,000 33,040,216

God delivered the Israelites into the hand of the Chaldeans. 2 Chr.36:16-17 1000? 33,041,216

Ezekiel's wife Ezekiel 24:15-18 1 33,041,217

Ananias and Sapphira Acts 5:1-10 2 33,041,219

Herod Acts 12:23, BT 1 33,041,220""

I think my personal favourite is

" God kills Jehoram by making his bowels fall out 2 Chr.21:14-19 1 32,920,216"

That is quite inventive -I'll give Him that.

On the flipside I dont think satan killed anyone did he (apart from a few pigs)?

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Foolish mortal, he is God!, he is allowed to do all those horrible things but just look at the bright side, at least when he was doing all that horrible slaughtering he loved them very very much.

If God sends me to hell to burn and suffer for eternity at least I have that comforting thought that he loves me. :tu:

But seriously it does not matter if you point out all those horrible things he has done, because people will still sweep it all under the rug and love God anyway.

Edit:

I think Satan killed 10 people but that still makes him a care bear compared to the all mighty psycho killer Boss.

Edited by chaoszerg

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Well, many of those numbers are actually fictional. :)

The OT god is fictional, and many of his murderous deeds were simple historical ******y by ancient Hebrews. Whenever I think about the fabrications and exaggerations in the Old Testament, I just lose respect to Jews.

The sleeping Assyrian soldiers part is kinda amusing because the very Assyrian king who allegedly lost 185,000 boasted in his OWN RECORD that he crushed the Hebrews and took many prisoners and treasures. So who's telling the truth? If Assyrians were right then that part in the Second Book of Kings is a total, absolute ******y.

See, I can totally understand why so many modern Jews turn into Buddhism and Atheism.

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The scary thing is that what you just wrote down is the very reason why some people fervently worship biblical god. Abrahamic god is a mean, murderous son of a b**** who can never be stopped. Some people, who have slave mentality, are drawn to absolute power. They will happily serve a psychotic master who kills their enemies for them. Scary, but true.

Foolish mortal, he is God!, he is allowed to do all those horrible things but just look at the bright side, at least when he was doing all that horrible slaughtering he loved them very very much.

If God sends me to hell to burn and suffer for eternity at least I have that comforting thought that he loves me. :tu:

But seriously it does not matter if you point out all those horrible things he has done, because people will still sweep it all under the rug and love God anyway.

Edit:

I think Satan killed 10 people but that still makes him a care bear compared to the all mighty psycho killer Boss.

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Edit:

I think Satan killed 10 people but that still makes him a care bear compared to the all mighty psycho killer Boss.

He killed 10 people I believe in the story of job, but only with god's permission as it was him and god making a bet on job's strength of faith. :hmm:

Believer's don't seem to care though about genocide or other crimes against humanity. :(

Edited by __Kratos__

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He killed 10 people I believe in the story of job, but only with god's permission as it was him and god making a bet on job's strength of faith. :hmm:

Believer's don't seem to care though about genocide or other crimes against humanity. :(

You Quoted me and changed my name to Karl................CURSE YOU KRATOS!!!! :P

But you are right, I believe Satan did get permission from God on that one.

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You Quoted me and changed my name to Karl................CURSE YOU KRATOS!!!! :P

But you are right, I believe Satan did get permission from God on that one.

:lol: I quoted both of you but saw your reply so I only went to reply to you but missed the quote. :ph34r:

Yep. Biblegateway.com Story of Job

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Don't forget about all those heathen Katrina victims who God struck down because America "embraced"(In other words, 'didn't stone on sight') homosexuals!

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as the saying goes "when the man says its your time to go, u go" :gun:

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The thing is if you are going to use the Scriptures to condemn the "Abrahamic" God then you must also acknowledge that He is also the Creator of all life and the one who decides who/what lives or dies and when, I think you're undercutting His count significantly by only counting 33 Million humans. It could be argued that every human, animal, vegetable, bacterial, etc. death is caused by God. So you might want to bump up your body count a bit... by a couple of billion at least.

And since He created the universe and life, NOTHING would be alive without Him, so as creator of life, He has the power AND the authority to do with it what He pleases.

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At its very basic, if you believe in the christian god then you appreciate that he created a world without death (and promises to restore those who are safe to do so to a simlar world at the end of sin)

Death only entered the world as a consequence of sin (humanity's disobedience of god)

Thus, not a single one of those deaths is attributable to god, and all are the result of human sin. Once sin entered the world, and threatened to destroy humanity, god was forced to fall back on plan B , which involved reducing sin and its effects by surgical removal of people who were confirmed sinners and /or threatening the spiritual/physical life of the people who, in the OT, were given the job of maintaining the faith, laws, and knowledge of gods contact with us and his expressed desire/will for us.

In the Nt there is a new covenant with all believers rather than just the jewish people. God continues to protect his people from the effects of sin if they follow his laws.and have faith in him If this is at the expense of sinners, then those people have a choice not to deliberately sin.

If you believe in god, then deliberately do that which may harm you, or cause god to harm you, then you must be a bit simple. If you dont believe in god then you cant, either blame him for the evils which beset the world, or thank him for the blessings and protections he provides.

For example, the citizens of sodom and gommorah could all have avoided destruction if only a handful of them(outside of lots family) had decided to follow gods laws and give up the lifestyles which corrupted and condemned them., and which were corrupting their society, their children and all who dealt with them.. God only chose to destroy them all, when not even one other person would give up the life which was leading them to destruction whether or not god intervened anyway.

What annoys me a little (although i appreciate it is human nature) is the illogic of people who dont believe in god, let alone have any understanding of his historical context and realtionship with humans, yet try to preach to those who do, about what an evil being he must be.

Edited by Mr Walker

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The thing is if you are going to use the Scriptures to condemn the "Abrahamic" God then you must also acknowledge that He is also the Creator of all life and the one who decides who/what lives or dies and when, I think you're undercutting His count significantly by only counting 33 Million humans. It could be argued that every human, animal, vegetable, bacterial, etc. death is caused by God. So you might want to bump up your body count a bit... by a couple of billion at least.

And since He created the universe and life, NOTHING would be alive without Him, so as creator of life, He has the power AND the authority to do with it what He pleases.

The difference here is god's "intent"-not death by natural causes

So yes, you are right, he is an immoral hypocritical god that can do whatever he pleases but he loves us to DEATH !! :P:wacko:

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And since He created the universe and life, NOTHING would be alive without Him, so as creator of life, He has the power AND the authority to do with it what He pleases.

Bull recyclables.

When he decorated his universe with sentient beings, then moral obligation attached. Maybe I can't do anything about it, because he is such a rootin' tootin' Fig Newton, but I'll happily witness that, if he really is as he is portrayed in that best-selling novel, then he is a moral null.

The difference here is god's "intent"-not death by natural causes

Ah, MLOR, death by natural causes is on his tab, too. Mom and Dad pinched his apples back in the day. Obviously, all must die as a result.

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The thing is if you are going to use the Scriptures to condemn the "Abrahamic" God then you must also acknowledge that He is also the Creator of all life and the one who decides who/what lives or dies and when, I think you're undercutting His count significantly by only counting 33 Million humans. It could be argued that every human, animal, vegetable, bacterial, etc. death is caused by God. So you might want to bump up your body count a bit... by a couple of billion at least.

And since He created the universe and life, NOTHING would be alive without Him, so as creator of life, He has the power AND the authority to do with it what He pleases.

Actually no.

Yahweh was the tribal god of the Hebrews and subservient to the Creator God El. It is common knowledge among real Biblical scholars that these are two very different entities, just as they are in the earlier Canannite theology. Yahweh is described in the Bible as a winged creature, that spews fire from his mouth, smoke from his nostril and apparently a completley phyisical creature that required daily feedings of animals and even first born children until he began accepting treasure in their place. Oh, and his meat had to be salted, and he also demanded liquor, presumably to 'wash down' the "first born issued from every womb, woman and beast alike", as the Bible states he demanded from the humans he lorded over.

Jesus berated the Pharisees for still worshipping this creature which Jesus called "the murderer from the beginning" and not his father El. This is later confirmed when on the cross, Jesus called to the Creator God El (Eloi) and not the virgin devouring (in the book of numbers) flame spewing Yahweh. Half the ancient Christian world were equally apalled at Yahweh's behavior in the OT and described him as 'the dragon'. But this was the half that didn't have the Roman army on their side, and they 'lost'. These were the 'gnostic' Christians, whose writings we are now discovering through archaeology, because the Roman Church tried to burn all of these scriptures.

But at least one Biblical scripture seems to have been fulfilled. The majority of Christians are STILL "worshipping the dragon", and as the great Thomas Paine said:

"It is not a God, just and good, but a devil, under the name of God, that the Bible describes".

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Welcome to the worlds lamest excuse for a topic condemning the "Abrahamic" god. AGAIN! Like this hasn't been done to DEATH already. And you bone-heads wonder why people start topics about Christianity getting attacked. As if this doesn't construe an attack? Add to that, as if this isn't an inflammatory attempt to create an atmosphere of hate?

2j. Preaching: Do not promote or push religious beliefs on to others, we have visitors from all over the world of many different faiths and we ask that all beliefs be respected. Using the site to preach to, convert other members or to 'advertise' a belief system is disallowed, this board is about letting people decide for themselves what to believe.

Violated, by preaching that any religion and it's deity is inherently bad.

3e. Flamebaiting: Do not intentionally instigate "flame wars" or bait others in to making personal attacks.

Violated. As if this entire topic (which had been done many times already) is NOT bait...please.

3f. Abusive behaviour: Do not be rude, insulting, offensive, snide, obnoxious or abusive towards other members.

I think this qualifies as rude, snide, obnoxious and abusive to the Christian members of this board.

This topic is utter crap, and serves no purpose other than to cause a fight. I think the mere fact that it's still open is indicative of how this "forum" is beginning to lean. Perhaps there should be a push to get some mods that are NOT biased involved here.

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This topic is utter crap, and serves no purpose other than to cause a fight.

Far from it,I am constantly being told that the bible is the word of god -if you then look in the bible and find evidence (even boastfulness) about large numbers of people being killed by it's main protagonist,whats wrong with bringing the subject up?

If it were down to people like you,then folk could only voice opinions or questions that fitted in with certain preconceived opinions or agendas.

Its been said that the truth has got nothing to hide (and does not fear free enquiry) so whats wrong with questioning what is written in the bible?

I haven't made any of this up - the descriptions and paragraphs of these acts are there for all to see in any classroom,courtroom or church.

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I think this is a very valid topic. I wonder how many practicing christians have read the entire bible. This topic is about the darker side of the bible, why not expose the truth. Christians,Muslims ect cherry pic the bible to death. Lets talk about what the bible says and not what a biased "preacher" has to to say on sunday morning to a flock of sheep that suck up what ever is told to them.

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Far from it,I am constantly being told that the bible is the word of god -if you then look in the bible and find evidence (even boastfulness) about large numbers of people being killed by it's main protagonist,whats wrong with bringing the subject up?

If it were down to people like you,then folk could only voice opinions or questions that fitted in with certain preconceived opinions or agendas.

Its been said that the truth has got nothing to hide (and does not fear free enquiry) so whats wrong with questioning what is written in the bible?

I haven't made any of this up - the descriptions and paragraphs of these acts are there for all to see in any classroom,courtroom or church.

Blah blah.

Like I said, the EXACT same topic has been tossed about here MANY times.

If it were down to people like me, people wouldn't be censored for their opinions, period. Mocked, ridiculed, proved to be wrong maybe, but not censored.

And you left no room for discussion, you just went to a website, gathered some factoids, and posted them to show us all how you're so superior to any one that "believes" in an Abrahamic God. Do you actually have ANYTHING to say, other than regurgitated propaganda?

The truth, as you so snidely remarked, is that if indeed there is no such thing as "God", then "He" killed no one, and your complaining about a fairy tale in which the good guy beats the bad guy basically. How foolish is that?

Keep in mind, you're also talking about the OT, which, when written (by who-knows-who and how many) there was no hell to speak of, and "judgment" was meted out on earth. Keep in mind hell was something created to control the acts of people, and "keep them in line" no matter what their lot in life, since if they behaved they would have an eternal reward. There is a reason people died in the OT in the numbers they did.

Stay in school.

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Keep in mind, you're also talking about the OT, which, when written (by who-knows-who and how many) there was no hell to speak of, and "judgment" was meted out on earth. Keep in mind hell was something created to control the acts of people, and "keep them in line" no matter what their lot in life, since if they behaved they would have an eternal reward. There is a reason people died in the OT in the numbers they did.

Stay in school.

My my,someone sounds a little disgruntled-thanks for actualy addressing the point though (after your rant).

If the thread touches a nerve with you then try to contribute something constructive-to come on and make lots of belligerent and noisy assumptions about the motivations of the post in the first part ...and then just throw a vague 'off the cuff' remark out in the second is the sign of a weak argument (not to mention a predictable and unoriginal one).

I reiterate what I said in the first post,if it were up to folks like you everybody would be made to conform to a specific opinion and there would be absolutely no room for dissenting thought or free enquiry.

You assume this thread is to goad christians,it isn't-its rather to enquire why a supposed all encompassing creator of the universe, who (allegedly) invented virtues like compassion and benevolence, would turn His back on these attributes and viciously murder 33 million of His own creation for divine amusement or divine revenge.

God must be a little insecure if He's going around avenging his divine wrath on us puny humans (or a little mentaly disturbed if He's doing it for divine amusement).

Edited by karl 12

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My my,someone sounds a little disgruntled-thanks for actualy addressing the point though (after your rant).

If the thread touches a nerve with you then try to contribute something constructive.

To come on and make lots of belligerent and noisy assumptions about the motivations of the post in the first part ...and then just throw a vague 'off the cuff' remark out in the second is the sign of a weak argument (not to mention a predictable and unoriginal one).

I reiterate what I said in the first post,if it were up to folks like you everybody would be made to conform to a specific opinion and there would be absolutely no room for dissenting thought or free enquiry.

You assume this thread is to goad christians,it isn't.

It is to ask why a supposed all encompassing creator of the universe, who invented virtues like compassion and benevolence, would turn His back on these attributes and viciously murder 33 million of His own creation for divine amusement or revenge.

God must be a little insecure if He's going around avenging his wrath on us puny humans (or a little mentaly disturbed if He's doing it for amusement).

Like I said: Done to death. Clearly anti-Christian. You went to an anti-religion site and cut and paste and want applause.

Predictable and unoriginal? Like this whole thread?

Belligerent and noisy? Like a running tally on "Gods" death count? Please.

If it were up to me, I would require people to actually have an opinion. Dissent and inquiry welcome, cut and paste pseudo-intellectualism denied.

Its' a book, and it made sense once-upon-a-time as I stated in my previous post. Punishment dealt with in life as there was no "hell". Why? Because people violated "The Law" from someones perspective.

So what's your argument? God killed bad people. So? What's the argument? The point? So if he exists he did something bad according to you? If he exists, you have no place to judge him, do you? If he doesn't, your doing what? Hating a non-existent entity invented by people that used copper and stone weapons to explain away all the misery and pain and suffering around them? It just seems so stupid. Why not pick on Pagans for worshiping mother-nature? Hell, she invented AIDS, cholera, typhoid, herpes, psoriasis, black-plague, and tofu! Think of the BILLIONS killed by Mother Nature. Guess Pagans are pretty stupid too then. Oh no, wait! They get a free pass, because they are a minority, and minorities always get a free pass.

See how stupid these arguments look from MY perspective?

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I think this is a very valid topic. I wonder how many practicing christians have read the entire bible. This topic is about the darker side of the bible, why not expose the truth. Christians,Muslims ect cherry pic the bible to death. Lets talk about what the bible says and not what a biased "preacher" has to to say on sunday morning to a flock of sheep that suck up what ever is told to them.

I do too critical awareness is a very important aspect of one who is trying to look at life realistically ...

intellectual growth is always open to reexamining old topics again and again..

argumentation is a great tool ....

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Eggumby- I've never actualy seen anyone dance around a topic so much without actualy attempting to meaningfully address it.

I'm not going to comment on the high irony of your Martin Luther King Jr quote but feel free to post back another agenda based,evasive,tedious rant anytime you want.

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If you are able to give God credit for taking 33 million lives, do you also give God credit for every living thing created, including your life? Cause now you’re talking in the billions. :tu: If you don't believe in god you cant blame him for anything and if you do believe give credit where credit is duo. You can't have it both ways!

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If you are able to give God credit for taking 33 million lives, do you also give God credit for every living thing created, including your life? Cause now you’re talking in the billions. :tu: If you don't believe in god you cant blame him for anything and if you do believe give credit where credit is duo. You can't have it both ways!

See for me it's a bit different. I in no way can or will blaim god for anything. I will however take issue with religion as I see the two as being very different. I would have to say it was religion that killed 33 plus million not god. As far as god flooding the earth and killing millions I don't buy it.

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