Cyprus HAARP radiation revealed

[UM-Bot]

Image credit: Kara Pietrina

Peter Fotis Kapnistos: We were sailing to the isle of the Apocalypse. Patmos is that small Greek island of the Mediterranean Sea where almost two thousand years ago in a misty cave, St John envisioned the Revelation of Jesus Christ - the last book of the Bible.

I had arrived by sea with two friends of mine, Vranas, an expert mural painter and his wife, Kara, to explore some radioactive springs beyond the "Furnace Islands Archipelago" just north of Patmos and a smaller islet known as Fourni. An unforeseen series of events suddenly changed our travel plans but allowed us to actually photograph the "glow" or radial signature of what appeared to be a real-time HAARP broadcast from the British military base in Cyprus.
Below are some chronological details of our account and a brief description of the so-called British military HAARP device in Southern Cyprus:

• Monday, 17 October 2005 - An earthquake measuring around magnitude 6.0 rocked Greece's eastern Aegean islands at about 05:45 GMT, but no injuries or serious damage were reported. The epicenter was a short distance from where we were. On the same day, bird flu was reported in the same area of Greece. The country's agriculture ministry said a form of the bird flu virus had been found on a farm on the Aegean Sea, just a short nautical distance from where we were staying.

• Thursday, 20 October 2005 - Another earthquake measuring 6.0 on the Richter scale was recorded approximately 45 minutes after midnight, in the sea of the eastern Aegean islands where we were located, spreading fear and panic. The quake was of the same magnitude and had the same epicenter as the previous tremor recorded on Monday.

• Friday, 21 October 2005 - Throughout the day we observed and photographed an uninterrupted sequence of aircraft leaving streaky contrails in the sky directly over the earthquake zone. The contrails did not dissipate, but instead grew larger, in criss-cross "Chemtrail" patterns that soon merged together and become hazy, cloudy masses. The unusual flight activity continued non-stop during the entire day. We sometimes observed up to four or five aircraft at a time, moving over the earthquake epicenter while "seeding" contrails that gradually blossomed into amazingly large artificial clouds. At about 18:00 we briefly observed and photographed peculiar lines of light or radii coming up out of the sea from the direction of Cyprus, southeast of Fourni. It is important to note that the sun was at the opposite horizon when our photos were taken. What looked like radiating lines of faint sunlight diverging from the center of dusk were certainly something else, because the sun was actually setting directly behind us in the west, not even in the general direction of our camera's view. What caused the eerie golden spikes or rays of southeastern light? We can only guess it was electromagnetic radiation, or photosensitive particles reacting to the twilight polarization, from some unnoticed transmitter - natural or otherwise - in the direction of Cyprus. Our photos indicate that the spikes or beams of energy rising from the sea did in fact "bounce" or rebound off the man-made contrail clouds and seemed to return to the earth again, for unknown reasons. The radii of light were not visible during the following days, and the aircraft flyover rate returned to the normal eastern Aegean levels.



Aircraft were laying contrails in the sky directly over the Aegean earthquake zone. When the bottom photos were taken, the sun was actually setting directly behind us in the west, not even in the general direction of our camera's view.



Above: Chemtrail "seeding" is visible at top left of frame with eerie rays of light rising from the Aegean Sea. Below: The same image enhanced to detect ray edges.





Above: Weird rays of light rise from the Aegean Sea and "bounce" off man-made Chemtrail clouds visible at top right of frame. Below: The same image enhanced to detect ray edges.



Not real sunrays. Not real clouds.

CHEMTRAIL spraying programs, which apparently are being conducted on a worldwide basis, may have originated as experiments in weather modification by "Cloud Seeding." But as more people take notice, they are questioning the health and psychological effects of whatever it is that's happening in the sky. Concerns are now growing over the disruption of migratory patterns and the spraying of aerosols that could promote the development of pathogens (such as bird flu virus) at high altitudes. After the Asian earthquake tsunami and hurricane Katrina, many feel that weather modification is fast becoming a "Weather War" and the time has finally come to bring the matter to the attention of the public.

HAARP stands for High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project, a joint effort of the U.S. Air Force and the navy at a remote base near Gakona, Alaska. HAARP generates million watt-phased pulses, which in turn generate extremely low frequency (ELF) waves for submarine communication and tomography. Its critics have argued that it may also be used as a mind-control/weather-control weapon of mass destruction. The British Army is currently experimenting with an immensely expensive ultra-sophisticated version of HAARP in their large army base at Greek Cyprus. Greek Cypriots have recently rioted outside the British military base in Southern Cyprus, protesting against the use of 190-foot microwave towers by the British Army and NATO to broadcast high-power microwaves. The British have allegedly stated that their pulse modulation program is targeted on Iran and Iraq and that the British version has the ability - like HAARP and a similar system in Norway - "to bounce its millions of Watts of 8MHz transmissions off the ionosphere to control the weather, destroy communication networks, and to violently upset whole populations by inducing ELF behavioral changes, neurological changes, and physical trauma."

"Our photos indicate that the spikes or beams of energy rising from the sea did in fact 'bounce' or rebound off the man-made contrail clouds and seemed to return to the earth again, for unknown reasons."

• What happened? It seems that the British HAARP device (powered from the British military base in Cyprus) may have a fatal flaw: Its pulse modulations can actually become "visible" when exposed to certain atmospheric disturbances. It appears that twilight (when the sun is below the horizon) can sometimes restrict the HAARP particle vibrations to one direction (polarization), allowing its broadcast waves to briefly be seen as "faint rays" or radii of reflected light coming up from the direction of Cyprus. (Auroral = luminous phenomenon, usually of streamers of light in the night sky.) Indeed, if even Sunday tourists can sometimes get snapshots of HAARP million watt phased pulses in the twilight plasma, it would be a very serious setback for the British Army. Because computer enhanced photos of HAARP broadcasts could theoretically be analyzed by adversaries to reveal discharge direction, wave amplitude, or other complex activity for the purpose of developing powerful interference systems to frustrate and defeat future HAARP applications. Correcting the telltale flaw could cost many millions, dangerously waste time, or prove to be impossible.

• Who took the heat? Monday, 31 October 2005 - A few days after the above photos were released, a British government official was under pressure to quit over claims he may have broken ministerial rules in connection with a DNA testing firm. The actual particulars are not relevant here, because the covert operational details of HAARP are top secret and will probably never be made public. However, if and when fatal flaws are discovered, it is almost certain that a corresponding ministerial official will be circumstantially censured or even pressured to step down.

On the same day, the European Commission said Greek authorities would lift a ban on the movement of poultry from the eastern Aegean region after a second and final set of tests found no presence of the bird flu virus. The unusual flight activity seen over the Aegean earthquake zone may have been part of a demonstration of fourth generation jets, during which Greece formally submitted its order for 30 Lockheed Martin F-16 Block 52+ jets from the U.S. to address air defense needs over the next 15 years. The inspection of 30 new jets for the NATO Aegean corridor may have been more than enough reason to perform a live HAARP test.

[badeskov]

*snipped utter garbage*

I had to read this a couple of times to actually make sure it was as ludicrous as the first impression gave. It is very obvious that Mr. Kapnistos is not very good with science, atmospheric physics and RF. It is rare that one sees such a poorly researched article, good job!

Bird flu, contrails, HAARP all in one big, messy mix. The only thing missing would be LHC...

Good Lord

Cheers,

Badeskov

[mythology1]

I had to read this a couple of times to actually make sure it was as ludicrous as the first impression gave. It is very obvious that Mr. Kapnistos is not very good with science, atmospheric physics and RF. It is rare that one sees such a poorly researched article, good job!

Bird flu, contrails, HAARP all in one big, messy mix. The only thing missing would be LHC...

Good Lord

Cheers,

Badeskov

Good Lord, badeskov! For a government agent who can "get your facts first" you sure are rather unobservant. You read the article a couple of times? You left out the earthquake (a couple of times)! The British stated they are able to bounce millions of Watts of 8MHz transmissions off the ionosphere. If the ionosphere is seeded with chemical spray (containing amino acids) the bouncing off clouds or irradiating can produce (viral) biomolecules. Um... What do you suppose the pictures are, forged photoshop scenes?

[mythology1]

Good Lord, badeskov! For a government agent who can "get your facts first" you sure are rather unobservant. You read the article a couple of times? You left out the earthquake (a couple of times)! The British stated they are able to bounce millions of Watts of 8MHz transmissions off the ionosphere. If the ionosphere is seeded with chemical spray (containing amino acids) the bouncing off clouds or irradiating can produce (viral) biomolecules. Um... What do you suppose the pictures are, forged photoshop scenes?

2001 - NASA Ames Research Center (Santa Cruz) - By irradiating ices found in space with ultraviolet radiation, scientists produced membranous structures that mimic primitive cells found in all living things.

[badeskov]

Good Lord, badeskov! For a government agent who can "get your facts first" you sure are rather unobservant. You read the article a couple of times? You left out the earthquake (a couple of times)! The British stated they are able to bounce millions of Watts of 8MHz transmissions off the ionosphere. If the ionosphere is seeded with chemical spray (containing amino acids) the bouncing off clouds or irradiating can produce (viral) biomolecules. Um... What do you suppose the pictures are, forged photoshop scenes?

You are absolutely right, I did indeed leave out the earthquake part in my post, my fault. Not that it makes the article less absurd.

Cheers,

Badeskov

[mythology1]

You are absolutely right, I did indeed leave out the earthquake part in my post, my fault. Not that it makes the article less absurd.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Not your fault. But a fault line, nonetheless. I recall that about a year ago authorities were spraying pheromones over California to eliminate a moth that was damaging crops. People complained that it could affect humans. Yesterday I read on a science website that US males are becoming more effeminate due to pollution. The Pentagon once considered producing a "gay bomb" that would make soldiers put down their weapons and want to have sex instead. I wonder how and where they tested that. By the way, if you do have a background in science and know what the story behind HAARP is, please share it with us, Don't keep it to yourself!

[badeskov]

Not your fault. But a fault line, nonetheless. I recall that about a year ago authorities were spraying pheromones over California to eliminate a moth that was damaging crops. People complained that it could affect humans. Yesterday I read on a science website that US males are becoming more effeminate due to pollution. The Pentagon once considered producing a "gay bomb" that would make soldiers put down their weapons and want to have sex instead. I wonder how and where they tested that. By the way, if you do have a background in science and know what the story behind HAARP is, please share it with us, Don't keep it to yourself!

Oh, there has been many odd experiments and dusting happens regularly in California. For instance, they have been very vigorous in spraying to limit the mosquitoes that carry the West Nile Virus. So there is always questions on how it will affect humans. Furthermore, we are becoming more and more affected by pollutants from everywhere. even just plastic products containing fire retardants has shown to give us problems.

Regarding HAARP, I actually do have a background in science and unfortunately do know something about HAARP, what it does and why it is not capable of what it is alleged to be doing (weather control, mind control, earth quakes and what have you). There has been several threads on this in the science section and somehow HAARP seems to pop up once in a while. I guess it looks mysterious and sinister to some.

A couple of links to earlier threads:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t&p=2324398

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t&p=2323184

The second link is probably the most interesting for you to read to get some information. But if you have any specific questions regarding HAARP, please do feel free to ask

Cheers,

Badeskov

Edited for typos.

Edited January 2, 2009 by badeskov

[meankitty]

Pure bunk. Sorry.

[mythology1]

Oh, there has been many odd experiments and dusting happens regularly in California. For instance, they have been very vigorous in spraying to limit the mosquitoes that carry the West Nile Virus. So there is always questions on how it will affect humans. Furthermore, we are becoming more and more affected by pollutants from everywhere. even just plastic products containing fire retardants has shown to give us problems.

Regarding HAARP, I actually do have a background in science and unfortunately do know something about HAARP, what it does and why it is not capable of what it is alleged to be doing (weather control, mind control, earth quakes and what have you). There has been several threads on this in the science section and somehow HAARP seems to pop up once in a while. I guess it looks mysterious and sinister to some.

A couple of links to earlier threads:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t&p=2324398

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...t&p=2323184

The second link is probably the most interesting for you to read to get some information. But if you have any specific questions regarding HAARP, please do feel free to ask

Cheers,

Badeskov

Edited for typos.

Thanks for the info and the links. But the big question still remains: What are the strange light rays in the photos? We can't just ignore them, can we?

[badeskov]

Thanks for the info and the links. But the big question still remains: What are the strange light rays in the photos? We can't just ignore them, can we?

It's natural defraction of sunlight through the various layers of the atmosphere. There is nothing mysterious or sinister about it.

Cheers,

Badeskov

[Torgo]

Bunk. Not much in that post made sense

The rays are anticrepuscular rays http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6..._from_above.jpg

Seen opposite the sun in the sky, an effect of perspective.

I wont even start on the contrails (NOT chemtrails, that is nonsense)

Edited January 5, 2009 by Torgo

[badeskov]

Bunk. Not much in that post made sense

The rays are anticrepuscular rays http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6..._from_above.jpg

Seen opposite the sun in the sky, an effect of perspective.

I wont even start on the contrails (NOT chemtrails, that is nonsense)

Thanks for he antirepuscular link And I agree, not much in that column made any sense whatsoever. You would think that a columnist would have some professional pride, however, for some reason or other a few of those publishing here seems to have thrown all pride overboard and tend to peddle senseless bunk (and at least one is in my opinion trying to peddle his books based on such nonsense).

Sad indeed.

Cheers,

Badeskov

[mythology1]

Thanks for he antirepuscular link And I agree, not much in that column made any sense whatsoever. You would think that a columnist would have some professional pride, however, for some reason or other a few of those publishing here seems to have thrown all pride overboard and tend to peddle senseless bunk (and at least one is in my opinion trying to peddle his books based on such nonsense).

Sad indeed.

Cheers,

Badeskov

I found this you guys:

Crepuscular rays appear to converge on the sun, anticrepuscular rays converge in the opposite direction. When ordinary crepuscular rays are visible, turn around and search for their opposite numbers. (http://www.atoptics.co.uk/atoptics/anti1.htm) However, the above report makes no mention of crepuscular rays but says that the sun had already set in the west.

I also found this:

Until recently, earthquake lights were folklore. For centuries people have reported rare flashes, glows and various fireworks associated with large earthquakes, but science can't do much with eyewitness stories. After lights were photographed in Japan during a month-long earthquake swarm in the mid-1960s, and other careful observations were made elsewhere in the world, earthquake specialists had something to chew on. Earthquake lights occur before, during and after earthquakes. They are cool and quiet, colored white or blue or red. They are usually dim, but sometimes are brighter than moonlight. (http://geology.about.com/od/earthquakes/a/EQlights.htm)

Could the earthquakes have caused the lights?

In any case, let's not forget that HAARP stands for "High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project." It is a well-known fact that "auroral activity" light displays in the sky typically occur in the ionosphere. (http://www.spacew.com/www/aurora.php)

You consider the article sad and pure bunk but a final point to consider is why people would be rioting outside the British military base in Southern Cyprus - if there is nothing mysterious or sinister about it.

"Greek Cypriots have recently rioted outside the British military base in Southern Cyprus, protesting against the use of 190-foot microwave towers by the British Army and NATO to broadcast high-power microwaves."

It seems likely that the British and US military both would have debunkers standing by to deal with unauthorized disclosures. But effective debunking has to be good mannered and convincing, not laced with off-the-cuff insulting remarks. (hint)

Edited January 6, 2009 by NexHorus

[badeskov]

I found this you guys:

Crepuscular rays appear to converge on the sun, anticrepuscular rays converge in the opposite direction. When ordinary crepuscular rays are visible, turn around and search for their opposite numbers. (http://www.atoptics.co.uk/atoptics/anti1.htm) However, the above report makes no mention of crepuscular rays but says that the sun had already set in the west.

Nature can be quite amazing, don't you think?! Without having to invent stuff

I also found this:

Until recently, earthquake lights were folklore. For centuries people have reported rare flashes, glows and various fireworks associated with large earthquakes, but science can't do much with eyewitness stories. After lights were photographed in Japan during a month-long earthquake swarm in the mid-1960s, and other careful observations were made elsewhere in the world, earthquake specialists had something to chew on. Earthquake lights occur before, during and after earthquakes. They are cool and quiet, colored white or blue or red. They are usually dim, but sometimes are brighter than moonlight. (http://geology.about.com/od/earthquakes/a/EQlights.htm)

They are quite interesting and probably has something to do with charges building up due to friction between tectonic plates

Could the earthquakes have caused the lights?

No, they would look different.

In any case, let's not forget that HAARP stands for "High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project." It is a well-known fact that "auroral activity" light displays in the sky typically occur in the ionosphere. (http://www.spacew.com/www/aurora.php)

Indeed it does, but that doesn't mean anything. Secondly, the amount of energy deposited in the ionosphere by the HAARP antenna array is minuscule compared to what comes from space. There is simply no comparison. HAARP is a pebble gun in that respect.

You consider the article sad and pure bunk but a final point to consider is why people would be rioting outside the British military base in Southern Cyprus - if there is nothing mysterious or sinister about it.

"Greek Cypriots have recently rioted outside the British military base in Southern Cyprus, protesting against the use of 190-foot microwave towers by the British Army and NATO to broadcast high-power microwaves."

We have no idea what instigated the riots or if people actually did riot at all. We have no date or anything to check it against. It could just as well all be in the columnist's head (God knows there is plenty of room - it certainly isn't facts taking up space). But since you brought up that particular paragraph, please allow me to dissect it now we are at it (just to exemplify):

HAARP stands for High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project, a joint effort of the U.S. Air Force and the navy at a remote base near Gakona, Alaska. HAARP generates million watt-phased pulses, which in turn generate extremely low frequency (ELF) waves for submarine communication and tomography. Its critics have argued that it may also be used as a mind-control/weather-control weapon of mass destruction. The British Army is currently experimenting with an immensely expensive ultra-sophisticated version of HAARP in their large army base at Greek Cyprus. Greek Cypriots have recently rioted outside the British military base in Southern Cyprus, protesting against the use of 190-foot microwave towers by the British Army and NATO to broadcast high-power microwaves. The British have allegedly stated that their pulse modulation program is targeted on Iran and Iraq and that the British version has the ability - like HAARP and a similar system in Norway - "to bounce its millions of Watts of 8MHz transmissions off the ionosphere to control the weather, destroy communication networks, and to violently upset whole populations by inducing ELF behavioral changes, neurological changes, and physical trauma."

This whole section is one huge mix of contradictions, misconceptions, wrong facts and fluffy words. I have no idea which books the author is trying to peddle, but whatever it is it has nothing to do with the truth. Piecewise we find (bolding mine):

HAARP stands for High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project, a joint effort of the U.S. Air Force and the navy at a remote base near Gakona, Alaska

No, it is a civilian run program funded by DARPA (amongst others). The military is taking care of the logistics, not much else (besides funding).

HAARP generates million watt-phased pulses, which in turn generate extremely low frequency (ELF) waves for submarine communication and tomography.

Pure nonsense. HAARP does not generate any ELF (extremely low frequency) signals. Antennas for that are long wires on telephone poles and not the dipoles that HAARP uses. I can't be any more clear. It is utter bunk. It is not physically viable.

Its critics have argued that it may also be used as a mind-control/weather-control weapon of mass destruction. The British Army is currently experimenting with an immensely expensive ultra-sophisticated version of HAARP in their large army base at Greek Cyprus. Greek Cypriots have recently rioted outside the British military base in Southern Cyprus, protesting against the use of 190-foot microwave towers by the British Army and NATO to broadcast high-power microwaves.

More BS. We have no idea of any riots actually occured or the author is just grabbing previous events to attract attention. Obviously the author has no intention of showing up to present us with a defense for this nonsense, which I clearly understand. It is rare that one sees shoddy work so perfected that it could be called art.

The British have allegedly stated that their pulse modulation program is targeted on Iran and Iraq and that the British version has the ability - like HAARP and a similar system in Norway - "to bounce its millions of Watts of 8MHz transmissions off the ionosphere to control the weather, destroy communication networks, and to violently upset whole populations by inducing ELF behavioral changes, neurological changes, and physical trauma."

And this is just scaremongering with no basis in reality. And deeply contradictory. The author claims ELF is used for mind control, yet states the signal frequency is 8MHz. That doesn't make sense. 8MHz is not ELF. Just shows that he has no idea of radio frequency signals, their capabilities and classifications at all. None.

Secondly, those millions of watts, completely insignificant in all respects. We are getting much more juice from all over the place, eve your local TV transmitter.

It seems likely that the British and US military both would have debunkers standing by to deal with unauthorized disclosures. But effective debunking has to be good mannered and convincing, not laced with off-the-cuff insulting remarks. (hint)

No need for anybody to be debunking. The author of this did an excellent job of that himself, to the point of making a clown of himself. If you just know a bit about radio frequency signals, columns like this would literally hurt your eyes. It is sad, it is pathetic and the proliferation is astounding. Effective debunking can be many things, but this has nothing to do with debunking. What is truly insulting is that such thrash is actually published. And it is thrash, pure and simple. I am sure if the author actually had his heart in this, he'd be here now to mount a defense (which he cannot).

Cheers,

Badeskov

[mythology1]

Nature can be quite amazing, don't you think?! Without having to invent stuff

They are quite interesting and probably has something to do with charges building up due to friction between tectonic plates

No, they would look different.

Indeed it does, but that doesn't mean anything. Secondly, the amount of energy deposited in the ionosphere by the HAARP antenna array is minuscule compared to what comes from space. There is simply no comparison. HAARP is a pebble gun in that respect.

We have no idea what instigated the riots or if people actually did riot at all. We have no date or anything to check it against. It could just as well all be in the columnist's head (God knows there is plenty of room - it certainly isn't facts taking up space). But since you brought up that particular paragraph, please allow me to dissect it now we are at it (just to exemplify):

This whole section is one huge mix of contradictions, misconceptions, wrong facts and fluffy words. I have no idea which books the author is trying to peddle, but whatever it is it has nothing to do with the truth. Piecewise we find (bolding mine):

No, it is a civilian run program funded by DARPA (amongst others). The military is taking care of the logistics, not much else (besides funding).

Pure nonsense. HAARP does not generate any ELF (extremely low frequency) signals. Antennas for that are long wires on telephone poles and not the dipoles that HAARP uses. I can't be any more clear. It is utter bunk. It is not physically viable.

More BS. We have no idea of any riots actually occured or the author is just grabbing previous events to attract attention. Obviously the author has no intention of showing up to present us with a defense for this nonsense, which I clearly understand. It is rare that one sees shoddy work so perfected that it could be called art.

And this is just scaremongering with no basis in reality. And deeply contradictory. The author claims ELF is used for mind control, yet states the signal frequency is 8MHz. That doesn't make sense. 8MHz is not ELF. Just shows that he has no idea of radio frequency signals, their capabilities and classifications at all. None.

Secondly, those millions of watts, completely insignificant in all respects. We are getting much more juice from all over the place, eve your local TV transmitter.

No need for anybody to be debunking. The author of this did an excellent job of that himself, to the point of making a clown of himself. If you just know a bit about radio frequency signals, columns like this would literally hurt your eyes. It is sad, it is pathetic and the proliferation is astounding. Effective debunking can be many things, but this has nothing to do with debunking. What is truly insulting is that such thrash is actually published. And it is thrash, pure and simple. I am sure if the author actually had his heart in this, he'd be here now to mount a defense (which he cannot).

Cheers,

Badeskov

Badeskov, you wrote: "We have no idea what instigated the riots or if people actually did riot at all. We have no date or anything to check it against. It could just as well all be in the columnist's head..."

Well, all you have to do is Google it. There are thousands of references. Here are a few with their links:

Cyprus: Riots outside British military base

By Richard Tyler

Britain’s plan to build six massive radio antennae at its Akrotiri military base on Cyprus has sparked protests by local residents.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1421689.stm

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British police hurt in Cyprus riot

Last Updated: 11:25AM BST 04 Jul 2001

UP to 40 British military policemen were injured when rioters stormed a UK base on the island of Cyprus.

About 500 Greek Cypriot demonstrators invaded the Akrotiri base and freed a local MP from its police station before rampaging through a building site and setting vehicles alight.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1332797/Br...yprus-riot.html

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Cyprus army base protests condemned

Twelve vehicles belonging to British forces were set on fire

The Foreign Secretary, Jack Straw, has condemned violence that left 40 police officers injured at a British military base in Cyprus. Eight are still in hospital after up to 1,000 people rioted on Tuesday following the arrest of a Cypriot MP, who had been protesting at plans to put up a radio mast near the base at Akrotiri.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1421689.stm

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Cyprus and Britain condemn riot at army base

"The Cypriot government have been consulted about these changes ... and a huge amount of effort has gone in to consult the local people and to satisfy them that these transmissions are safe."

The trouble was sparked by a demonstration against the construction of new communication antennae in an environmentally sensitive area.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/jul/04/cyprus1

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That's 1 crow for you to eat.

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You also wrote: "Pure nonsense. HAARP does not generate any ELF (extremely low frequency) signals."

But the official US HAARP website certainly contradicts your so-called facts:

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/

"Development of technology to use effects produced through ionospheric interactions. One example of this is learning how to generate new signals in the ELF range for the real application of subsurface communications." (http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/faq.html) "ELF signals are generated in the ionosphere at an altitude of around 100 km."

That's 2 crows for you to eat. Yummie.

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You claim: "We are getting much more juice from all over the place, even your local TV transmitter."

But the same official website says: "The HF transmitter system is able to produce approximately 3.6 million Watts of radio frequency power."

Does your local TV transmitter produce millions of watts, Badeskov?

"As a result, approximately 10 million Watts of prime power will be required when the transmitter system is operating at full power."

10 million. Um... What's for dessert, after the end of the meal?

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You insiste that HAARP is nothing more than RF radio frequency. But here is what the official site says:

"However, weak and repeatable optical emissions have been observed using HAARP (and reported in the scientific literature) using very sensitive cameras."

Indeed, repeatable optical emissions are the name of the HAARP game.

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"Optical emissions have been observed using HAARP in the scientific literature." I wonder where they got that crazy idea? Because Badeskov (et al) says it isn't so!

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When the Manhatten Project was in full swing, people like you were so sure the scientists were only making "electric rockets." Today we know better.

HAARP will allow attackers to release biological weapons without violating air space. "Safe molecules" are seeded by jets over the Atlantic for example. When the clouds drift over populated areas, HAARP (or whatever they will finally call it) will irradiate the molecules, spontaneously transforming them into pathogens. Cool, isn't it? I can assure you that Russia, China, (or a rogue state) will not stop this military activity because you don't believe it! The cat's out of the bag. Denial does nothing to prevent it.

You have fallen seriously behind in your research Badeskov. But it's obviously not like you to say "I was wrong."

You wrote: "It is rare that one sees shoddy work so perfected that it could be called art." Don't you wish you could get away with that! Because your arguments are not based on the facts. Your info amounts to disinformation. You must be gaining weight, Badeskov. Haven't you eaten enough crow? But I do admire your serious attitude. Only a self-centered teenager can sit up all night in his bedroom and churn out disinformation with the conviction of a pseudo-scientist. Who did you say you worked for, Radio Shack?

[Evangium]

Utter and total dren! As a paid government disinformation agent, I couldn't do a better job myself than this guy, the articles author, already has. I'd go out on a limb here, and say that he has other personal and politically motivated reasons against the British presence in Cypress...

[badeskov]

Badeskov, you wrote: "We have no idea what instigated the riots or if people actually did riot at all. We have no date or anything to check it against. It could just as well all be in the columnist's head..."

Well, all you have to do is Google it. There are thousands of references. Here are a few with their links:

That's 1 crow for you to eat.

Actually, I did google and I did find several references. The problem is there has been several riots and I honestly didn't think the 2001 riot would be relevant now. Not much of a crow.

You also wrote: "Pure nonsense. HAARP does not generate any ELF (extremely low frequency) signals."

But the official US HAARP website certainly contradicts your so-called facts:

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/

"Development of technology to use effects produced through ionospheric interactions. One example of this is learning how to generate new signals in the ELF range for the real application of subsurface communications." (http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/faq.html) "ELF signals are generated in the ionosphere at an altitude of around 100 km."

Indeed, and part of the development of this technology is said atmospheric research. So I will eat the crow that they are generating tiny amplitude ELF signals that only their very sensitive equipment can pick up. As they say themselves:

No. These signals are more than eleven million times weaker (smaller) than the Earth's background field and about one million times weaker (smaller) than the level where researchers have reported biological effects in the literature. Signals generated through ionospheric interaction are so weak, in fact, that sophisticated instruments must be used to observe them. Nevertheless, they are still valuable for scientific purposes and for communication applications.

Like many other interaction processes there is new frequency generation, however, in it's current manifestation it is not applicable to anything but telling us about various ionosphere characteristics. It cannot be used for sub-surface communications, mind control, weather modification or anything like it. That is just pure nonsense.

That's 2 crows for you to eat. Yummie.

Not really.

You claim: "We are getting much more juice from all over the place, even your local TV transmitter."

But the same official website says: "The HF transmitter system is able to produce approximately 3.6 million Watts of radio frequency power."

Does your local TV transmitter produce millions of watts, Badeskov?

No, but my local tv transmitter doesn't point straight up into the air and have to rely on reflections from the ionosphere to deliver power. Thus, whatever power you receive will be a lot less than from your local tv transmitter (or even your cell phone).

"As a result, approximately 10 million Watts of prime power will be required when the transmitter system is operating at full power."

10 million. Um... What's for dessert, after the end of the meal?

Go make a call on your cell phone and you'll get much worse than HAARP will ever be able to deliver.

You insiste that HAARP is nothing more than RF radio frequency. But here is what the official site says:

"However, weak and repeatable optical emissions have been observed using HAARP (and reported in the scientific literature) using very sensitive cameras."

Indeed, repeatable optical emissions are the name of the HAARP game.

Sure, any RF emission can excite ions and create emissions. Nothing new there. But I don't see what that has to do with anything. HAARP emits only RF. Period. And it is still many, many times lower than what the sun delivers to the upper atmosphere. What is the relevance?!

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And what are those?! What makes them relevant at all?!

"Optical emissions have been observed using HAARP in the scientific literature." I wonder where they got that crazy idea? Because Badeskov (et al) says it isn't so!

To the best of my knowledge I have never claimed that emissions in the optical spectrum didn't occur. I stated that the images the author showed had nothing to do with HAARP. Big difference.

When the Manhatten Project was in full swing, people like you were so sure the scientists were only making "electric rockets." Today we know better.

HAARP will allow attackers to release biological weapons without violating air space. "Safe molecules" are seeded by jets over the Atlantic for example. When the clouds drift over populated areas, HAARP (or whatever they will finally call it) will irradiate the molecules, spontaneously transforming them into pathogens. Cool, isn't it? I can assure you that Russia, China, (or a rogue state) will not stop this military activity because you don't believe it! The cat's out of the bag. Denial does nothing to prevent it.

First of all, the Manhattan project was a secret project, HAARP is a public project. There is a huge difference. Secondly, we *know* simply because of the energy requirements to make any significant impact compared to the sun. It is simply not viable unless you put up a couple of nuclear power plants next to HAARP and even then, the fluid and chaotic nature of the upper atmosphere makes it impossible to create any form of targeting by reflection.

And how exactly do you envision that you can make HAARP (or whatever) transform benign molecules and transform them into something dangerous?! Especially given that we are constantly being irradiated by electromagnetic energy from space over almost all frequency bands?!

You have fallen seriously behind in your research Badeskov. But it's obviously not like you to say "I was wrong."

Nope, sorry to disappoint you.

You wrote: "It is rare that one sees shoddy work so perfected that it could be called art." Don't you wish you could get away with that! Because your arguments are not based on the facts. Your info amounts to disinformation. You must be gaining weight, Badeskov. Haven't you eaten enough crow? But I do admire your serious attitude. Only a self-centered teenager can sit up all night in his bedroom and churn out disinformation with the conviction of a pseudo-scientist. Who did you say you worked for, Radio Shack?

Not at all. It is a benign research program, which the author has taken to a level of science fiction that is utterly ludicrous. It just doesn't make any sense. And I typically don't rely on pseudo-science in my work. That would be quite detrimental.

Cheers,

Badeskov

[mythology1]

Actually, I did google and I did find several references. The problem is there has been several riots and I honestly didn't think the 2001 riot would be relevant now. Not much of a crow.

Indeed, and part of the development of this technology is said atmospheric research. So I will eat the crow that they are generating tiny amplitude ELF signals that only their very sensitive equipment can pick up. As they say themselves:

Like many other interaction processes there is new frequency generation, however, in it's current manifestation it is not applicable to anything but telling us about various ionosphere characteristics. It cannot be used for sub-surface communications, mind control, weather modification or anything like it. That is just pure nonsense.

Not really.

No, but my local tv transmitter doesn't point straight up into the air and have to rely on reflections from the ionosphere to deliver power. Thus, whatever power you receive will be a lot less than from your local tv transmitter (or even your cell phone).

Go make a call on your cell phone and you'll get much worse than HAARP will ever be able to deliver.

Sure, any RF emission can excite ions and create emissions. Nothing new there. But I don't see what that has to do with anything. HAARP emits only RF. Period. And it is still many, many times lower than what the sun delivers to the upper atmosphere. What is the relevance?!

And what are those?! What makes them relevant at all?!

To the best of my knowledge I have never claimed that emissions in the optical spectrum didn't occur. I stated that the images the author showed had nothing to do with HAARP. Big difference.

First of all, the Manhattan project was a secret project, HAARP is a public project. There is a huge difference. Secondly, we *know* simply because of the energy requirements to make any significant impact compared to the sun. It is simply not viable unless you put up a couple of nuclear power plants next to HAARP and even then, the fluid and chaotic nature of the upper atmosphere makes it impossible to create any form of targeting by reflection.

And how exactly do you envision that you can make HAARP (or whatever) transform benign molecules and transform them into something dangerous?! Especially given that we are constantly being irradiated by electromagnetic energy from space over almost all frequency bands?!

Nope, sorry to disappoint you.

Not at all. It is a benign research program, which the author has taken to a level of science fiction that is utterly ludicrous. It just doesn't make any sense. And I typically don't rely on pseudo-science in my work. That would be quite detrimental.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Badeskov (et al): I don't claim to know what the lights in the photos are. However, the HAARP website admits "Optical emissions have been observed using HAARP in the scientific literature." The riots in Cyprus were indeed over a radio transmitter (read the stories). Therefore it is still possible that the optical emissions were also photographed. Why not? The columnist says the photos were enhanced to show details. I don't think people will riot over a simple radio antenna. British intelligence is so full of leaks lately (they have a bad habit of losing digital data and laptop computers). It apparently leaked out to someone that the antenna transmissions would be harmful to the ecology (i.e. producing pathogens). That, in a nutshell, is why the riots took place.

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I really do like the "electric rocket" smokescreen that was used to cover up the Manhatten Project. Even some leading scientists fell for that yarn:

The Manhattan Project - Google Books Result

by Daniel Cohen - 1999 - Social Science - 128 pages

The Manhattan Project ... had people deliberately spread the false rumor that they were working on an "electric rocket" and that story was widely believed.

books.google.com/books?isbn=0761303596...

One fellow recalls lunging into a bar, talking loudly about the ''electric rockets'' he was making, only to find that no one was listening. Scientists are terrible rumormongers.

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res...752C0A967948260

If HAARP is, as stated, an RF and ELF experiment in submarine communication, why have there been absolutely no reports of progress in that direction during the past ten years of HAARP's existence? Maybe because its real purpose is something quite different. Electric rockets, anyone?

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Another point you need to consider is the report of "an uninterrupted sequence" of aircraft: "The unusual flight activity continued non-stop during the entire day. We sometimes observed up to four or five aircraft at a time, moving over the earthquake epicenter."

If you check any tourist guide you will see that those islands do not have an airport large enough to handle so much commercial air traffic. They therefore must have been military aircraft. I think there are too many coincidences converging in one spot to be dismissed. The report says the fly-overs stopped when the lights ceased to be visible.

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Again, I am not saying HAARP scientists have the technology to produce pathogens in the upper atmosphere. But that certainly seems to be "in the works." What could be more desirable for the Pentagon than a biological weapons delivery system without even violating enemy airspace? Of course HAARP is not classified, it's just an antenna! And of course contrails only contain safe molecules. Nothing suspicious there! But when the two meet in the ionosphere, you need to take a closer look (as the Cypriots say, it could be harmful to the ecology). The Greek government thought they found bird flu virus. But on second inspection it was something else - hopefully not contagious. Oh, those electric rockets! All these odd little facts need to be added up, not swept under a rug.

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I think it was an intolerant mistake for you to accuse the columnist of being a liar before looking into the details. Maybe the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" part threw you off. But I think he was just informing readers of Patmos' historic significance (most Americans can't even locate Kenya on a map). If you search Google you will find that some of the columnist's papers are "recommended reading" for the world's leading astrobiologists (Klyce, Wickramasinghe, etc):

COSMIC ANCESTRY | Quick Guide | Next - Replies Index - 2007 | by Brig Klyce | All Rights Reserved

Science, as you know, goes down the wrong track for many decades.... Then eventually it takes a U-turn — Bruce Runnegar, former Director, NASA Astrobiology Institute [scoop, 2 Oct 2008.]

Replies to Cosmic Ancestry, 2008

biological nucleators produce comet cores | from Peter Kapnistos | 15 Dec 2008

23:09:39 +0200: When large comets hit the Earth, boulders with organic debris splash back into space. Dormant microbes preserved inside tiny rock fragments become "biological nucleators," condensing around their cells protective snowflakes, raindrops, and slushy vapor shields at lofty altitudes. I'll bet you that when enough bacterial nucleators in space gather together by "quorum sensing," they produce precursor comet cores. ...Peter Kapnistos | American journalist, editor, and publisher now residing in the Eastern Mediterranean islands

"Living Proto-Cells Made in Space" [9-page pdf] and "Shock Waves Encode 'Lifecloud' Computer" [10-page pdf], 2008.

http://www.panspermia.org/replies11.htm

So if you have published a scientific paper on HAARP (or any subject), please post the link. I would sure like to read it. Sorry about the crow remarks, but I am a vegetarian. This discussion thread is boring me, so I will sign off. Bye.

P.S. According to the dates mentioned in the report, the photos were taken about five years ago. So the riots in Cyprus are not at all irrelevant to the story. You also assume that the British Army base in Cyprus is some kind of "community project." Wrong, of course. HAARP in Alaska may circulate all the public relations promotions one would expect of US cleverness. But British bases are designated as officially secret. The same goes for a similar system in Norway. We have earthquakes, uninterrupted military flyovers, strange lights coming out of "lost Atlantis" and bird flu virus all rolled up into one eventful incident. What a day. And your scientific insight tells you to - look the other way?

I am talking (turkey) about a classified British base in Cyprus. Badeskov is talking (corn beef) about a public project in Alaska... Go figure.....

Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. - Albert Einstein

Edited January 6, 2009 by NexHorus

[badeskov]

Badeskov (et al): I don't claim to know what the lights in the photos are. However, the HAARP website admits "Optical emissions have been observed using HAARP in the scientific literature." The riots in Cyprus were indeed over a radio transmitter (read the stories). Therefore it is still possible that the optical emissions were also photographed. Why not? The columnist says the photos were enhanced to show details. I don't think people will riot over a simple radio antenna. British intelligence is so full of leaks lately (they have a bad habit of losing digital data and laptop computers). It apparently leaked out to someone that the antenna transmissions would be harmful to the ecology (i.e. producing pathogens). That, in a nutshell, is why the riots took place.

No, it is not possible that the emissions photographed was due to the injection of RF energy into the ionosphere. Given that they only inject ~3 microwatts/cm², the luminescence created would simply not be visible in daylight. The sun is pumping far more energy into it, like 4 orders of magnitude more. So, no. It is very certain that it is not the HAARP facility creating it.

If HAARP is, as stated, an RF and ELF experiment in submarine communication, why have there been absolutely no reports of progress in that direction during the past ten years of HAARP's existence? Maybe because its real purpose is something quite different. Electric rockets, anyone?

Nope. Not in this day and age. It is a public program and thus have to produce what they say they do. They have lots of international visitors and the like coming to see their facilities. They are doing exactly what they state, otherwise the international scientific world would wonder and be very curious. Plain and simple. Did you actually take the time to look at the previous threads that I linked to?! I guess not.

Another point you need to consider is the report of "an uninterrupted sequence" of aircraft: "The unusual flight activity continued non-stop during the entire day. We sometimes observed up to four or five aircraft at a time, moving over the earthquake epicenter."

If you check any tourist guide you will see that those islands do not have an airport large enough to handle so much commercial air traffic. They therefore must have been military aircraft. I think there are too many coincidences converging in one spot to be dismissed. The report says the fly-overs stopped when the lights ceased to be visible.

So?! That has no bearing on anything. And what do you mean they don't have any large airports?! They have 2 international and 3 military airports. So most likely a mix of military and civilian air traffic. And when did the lights stop?!

Again, I am not saying HAARP scientists have the technology to produce pathogens in the upper atmosphere. But that certainly seems to be "in the works." What could be more desirable for the Pentagon than a biological weapons delivery system without even violating enemy airspace?

They already possess such technology. They are called missiles.

I don't see why it would be in the works. Such a system simply not be viable. However horrible chemical and biological weapons sound, they actually have to be delivered intact to the target and not being dispersed in international waters. First of all, you would have no control over the how it would spread (they had problems in World War I and that was only from trench to trench). Secondly, both chemical and biological agents tend to break down when exposed to the sun's UV light. Finally, it is probably the least effective way of making pathogens.

Of course HAARP is not classified, it's just an antenna! And of course contrails only contain safe molecules. Nothing suspicious there! But when the two meet in the ionosphere, you need to take a closer look (as the Cypriots say, it could be harmful to the ecology). The Greek government thought they found bird flu virus. But on second inspection it was something else - hopefully not contagious. Oh, those electric rockets! All these odd little facts need to be added up, not swept under a rug.

Pure conjecture and utterly absurd. As mentioned earlier (and also in earlier threads), the amount of energy delivered by HAARP is completely dwarfed by the sun. Is there something in that sentence that is not clear enough?! How can you possibly think that the HAARP people could even begin to create effects that are more pronounced than those created by the sun?! I just don't get it.

I think it was an intolerant mistake for you to accuse the columnist of being a liar before looking into the details. Maybe the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" part threw you off. But I think he was just informing readers of Patmos' historic significance (most Americans can't even locate Kenya on a map). If you search Google you will find that some of the columnist's papers are "recommended reading" for the world's leading astrobiologists (Klyce, Wickramasinghe, etc):

I didn't call him a liar. I said he had done extremely shoddy work and that he has no idea of what he is talking about. I also said that if he had actually sat down and done some research, his article would have been completely different (and probably not interesting at all). Sometimes people can be good in one field and not so good in others, but this is not the case with Mr. Kapnistos. He excels in conjecture nowadays.

COSMIC ANCESTRY | Quick Guide | Next - Replies Index - 2007 | by Brig Klyce | All Rights Reserved

Science, as you know, goes down the wrong track for many decades.... Then eventually it takes a U-turn — Bruce Runnegar, former Director, NASA Astrobiology Institute [scoop, 2 Oct 2008.]

Replies to Cosmic Ancestry, 2008

biological nucleators produce comet cores | from Peter Kapnistos | 15 Dec 2008

23:09:39 +0200: When large comets hit the Earth, boulders with organic debris splash back into space. Dormant microbes preserved inside tiny rock fragments become "biological nucleators," condensing around their cells protective snowflakes, raindrops, and slushy vapor shields at lofty altitudes. I'll bet you that when enough bacterial nucleators in space gather together by "quorum sensing," they produce precursor comet cores. ...Peter Kapnistos | American journalist, editor, and publisher now residing in the Eastern Mediterranean islands

"Living Proto-Cells Made in Space" [9-page pdf] and "Shock Waves Encode 'Lifecloud' Computer" [10-page pdf], 2008.

http://www.panspermia.org/replies11.htm

Good grief. This is utterly useless. It is a discussion board and the good Peter F. Kapnistos makes a single post and never returns to engage in a discussion. And Bruce Runnegar is certainly not endorsing him. Mr. Kapnistos makes a single post to the Bruce Runnegar interview, promoting himself. Bruce Runnegar never mentions him. This is absurd.

So if you have published a scientific paper on HAARP (or any subject), please post the link. I would sure like to read it. Sorry about the crow remarks, but I am a vegetarian. This discussion thread is boring me, so I will sign off. Bye.

No wonder it is boring you. You clearly don't know science and certainly nothing about RF communications.

P.S. According to the dates mentioned in the report, the photos were taken about five years ago. So the riots in Cyprus are not at all irrelevant to the story.

They are. There has been several riots and one (the one you linked to) was instigated by the arrest of a politician after he had been vandalizing british military installations (grafitti). Because he didn't like the towers being erected. Plain and simple.

You also assume that the British Army base in Cyprus is some kind of "community project." Wrong, of course.

Never did I say such.

HAARP in Alaska may circulate all the public relations promotions one would expect of US cleverness. But British bases are designated as officially secret. The same goes for a similar system in Norway. We have earthquakes, uninterrupted military flyovers, strange lights coming out of "lost Atlantis" and bird flu virus all rolled up into one eventful incident. What a day. And your scientific insight tells you to - look the other way?

No, look at physics. Which you apparently neither have the means nor the education to do. In all respect, suggesting that HAARP like installations are capable of such is simply outright ignorant scaremongering. It is simply not physically viable. I have explained why in the earlier threads, but never mind - you are obviously bored and I doubt you would understand what I am getting at anyways.

I am talking (turkey) about a classified British base in Cyprus. Badeskov is talking (corn beef) about a public project in Alaska... Go figure.....

Nope, I am talking physics. And any reference to HAARP means Alaska. That is the name it has. But if you don't understand the physics behind the public project in Alaska called HAARP and what it does, well then I can see why you can understand why you can believe such an installation can exist on cyprus. Clearly Mr. Kapnistos has no idea of the physics behind it (not did he even bother to do any research on it).

Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance. - Albert Einstein

Indeed it is.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Edited to add: did you even consider that Cyprus is a major military communications and signal intelligence gathering hub?! Just the place to put a huge, ultra-high power transmitter and several nuclear power plants to power it . How big is that British air base, by the way?! They must have lots of room.

Edited January 6, 2009 by badeskov

[mythology1]

No, it is not possible that the emissions photographed was due to the injection of RF energy into the ionosphere. Given that they only inject ~3 microwatts/cm², the luminescence created would simply not be visible in daylight. The sun is pumping far more energy into it, like 4 orders of magnitude more. So, no. It is very certain that it is not the HAARP facility creating it.

Nope. Not in this day and age. It is a public program and thus have to produce what they say they do. They have lots of international visitors and the like coming to see their facilities. They are doing exactly what they state, otherwise the international scientific world would wonder and be very curious. Plain and simple. Did you actually take the time to look at the previous threads that I linked to?! I guess not.

So?! That has no bearing on anything. And what do you mean they don't have any large airports?! They have 2 international and 3 military airports. So most likely a mix of military and civilian air traffic. And when did the lights stop?!

They already possess such technology. They are called missiles.

I don't see why it would be in the works. Such a system simply not be viable. However horrible chemical and biological weapons sound, they actually have to be delivered intact to the target and not being dispersed in international waters. First of all, you would have no control over the how it would spread (they had problems in World War I and that was only from trench to trench). Secondly, both chemical and biological agents tend to break down when exposed to the sun's UV light. Finally, it is probably the least effective way of making pathogens.

Pure conjecture and utterly absurd. As mentioned earlier (and also in earlier threads), the amount of energy delivered by HAARP is completely dwarfed by the sun. Is there something in that sentence that is not clear enough?! How can you possibly think that the HAARP people could even begin to create effects that are more pronounced than those created by the sun?! I just don't get it.

I didn't call him a liar. I said he had done extremely shoddy work and that he has no idea of what he is talking about. I also said that if he had actually sat down and done some research, his article would have been completely different (and probably not interesting at all). Sometimes people can be good in one field and not so good in others, but this is not the case with Mr. Kapnistos. He excels in conjecture nowadays.

Good grief. This is utterly useless. It is a discussion board and the good Peter F. Kapnistos makes a single post and never returns to engage in a discussion. And Bruce Runnegar is certainly not endorsing him. Mr. Kapnistos makes a single post to the Bruce Runnegar interview, promoting himself. Bruce Runnegar never mentions him. This is absurd.

No wonder it is boring you. You clearly don't know science and certainly nothing about RF communications.

They are. There has been several riots and one (the one you linked to) was instigated by the arrest of a politician after he had been vandalizing british military installations (grafitti). Because he didn't like the towers being erected. Plain and simple.

Never did I say such.

No, look at physics. Which you apparently neither have the means nor the education to do. In all respect, suggesting that HAARP like installations are capable of such is simply outright ignorant scaremongering. It is simply not physically viable. I have explained why in the earlier threads, but never mind - you are obviously bored and I doubt you would understand what I am getting at anyways.

Nope, I am talking physics. And any reference to HAARP means Alaska. That is the name it has. But if you don't understand the physics behind the public project in Alaska called HAARP and what it does, well then I can see why you can understand why you can believe such an installation can exist on cyprus. Clearly Mr. Kapnistos has no idea of the physics behind it (not did he even bother to do any research on it).

Indeed it is.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Edited to add: did you even consider that Cyprus is a major military communications and signal intelligence gathering hub?! Just the place to put a huge, ultra-high power transmitter and several nuclear power plants to power it . How big is that British air base, by the way?! They must have lots of room.

Badeskov wrote: "How big is that British air base, by the way?"

How am I supposed to know? Do you think this a quiz game?

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Badeskov wrote: "the luminescence created would simply not be visible in daylight. The sun is pumping far more energy into it."

What daylight? The sun was not visible, it had already set, and the photos were enhanced to reveal the auroral phenomena.

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Badeskov wrote: "the fluid and chaotic nature of the upper atmosphere makes it impossible to create any form of targeting by reflection."

But we are not playing billiards here. We do not have to carefully "aim" and ricochet off a surface. We simple bounce HAARP off the ionosphere and saturate the entire hemisphere with ultra-violet rays of a specific wavelength (Lyman series). Only our "seeded" molecules (in ice vapour crystals) will be affected as we want them to. Since we have already placed our marked biomolecules just where we want them to be via contrails in the upper atmosphere (i.e., over our target area), we can't miss - in theory. How long will it be before a rogue state catches on to this effortless type of bio-warfare? Who will patent such a weapon of mass destruction? Not me. I'd rather expose it. Badeskov is in denial.

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Here's a riddle:

During the (atomic bomb) Manhatten Project, false rumors were spread around America that scientists were developing electric rockets at the primary research sites of Hanford, Oak Ridge, and Los Alamos. But if you wanted to read any scholarly articles written by prominent scientists concerning those electric rockets -- there really weren't any, except the few required to support the myth. Today (ten years after it was introduced) there are over 180,000 Google listings for HAARP. But less than 500 of those are "genuine scholarly" articles that directly mention the HAARP facility. The remaining 179,500 listings convey information of government secrecy. So, just what kind of "public project" is it? Judge for yourself.

Did you notice that the witnesses in the article were a mural painter and his wife? Suppose they saw a rocket crash and went to you to report it. Badeskov would immediately ask them if they know how rockets are designed, what fuel they use to fly and other things they simply aren't required to know. Pretty smart, eh? Caught up in a high overbearing opinion of one's worth (watching your gray cells turning gray), you miss the point of communicating with the only first-hand witnesses. Your conviction is set in stone...

Please post a link to a scientific paper you have published. If you want to play the Meet Mr Wizard quiz game on this forum, I know there is no end to that skillful manipulation. After all, 90 percent of all this is just theory anyway... My dear Badeskov, if I were to change the subject to tennis shoes, you, no doubt, would have a better pair. That is evident in all of your comments. Good for you.

Edited January 6, 2009 by NexHorus

[badeskov]

Badeskov wrote: "How big is that British air base, by the way?"

How am I supposed to know? Do you think this a quiz game?

No, it was a rhetorical question, as a facility as you envision would require quite a lot of real estate (along with quite a few nuclear power plants and all the infra-structure that goes along with it). But for your information the Brits have two presences on Cyprus, each roughly 25km² (actually, a very rough estimate) and represents all 3 service arms as being the main staging area for the Middle East. Not that it really matters.

Badeskov wrote: "the luminescence created would simply not be visible in daylight. The sun is pumping far more energy into it."

What daylight? The sun was not visible, it had already set, and the photos were enhanced to reveal the auroral phenomena.

Oh really?!

Does this look like being after dark?! Please note that the image caption is obviously wrong as it reads:

Above: Weird rays of light rise from the Aegean Sea and "bounce" off man-made Chemtrail clouds visible at top right of frame. Below: The same image enhanced to detect ray edges.

It is very obvious which image has been enhanced and which hasn't. What I linked above is the non-enhanced (a simple photo-shop analysis will tell you so if just looking at it didn't).

Badeskov wrote: "the fluid and chaotic nature of the upper atmosphere makes it impossible to create any form of targeting by reflection."

But we are not playing billiards here. We do not have to carefully "aim" and ricochet off a surface. We simple bounce HAARP off the ionosphere and saturate the entire hemisphere with ultra-violet rays of a specific wavelength (Lyman series). Only our "seeded" molecules (in ice vapour crystals) will be affected as we want them to. Since we have already placed our marked biomolecules just where we want them to be via contrails in the upper atmosphere (i.e., over our target area), we can't miss - in theory. How long will it be before a rogue state catches on to this effortless type of bio-warfare? Who will patent such a weapon of mass destruction? Not me. I'd rather expose it. Badeskov is in denial.

First of all, you have no idea of the energy requirement of such a bouncing, do you?! As also explained in posts in earlier threads, the area covered would be the size of a continent. To cover such an area with any kind of energy that is even remotely usable, your initial energy requirement would be utterly ludicrous. Secondly, you are not generating UV light. You are bouncing off your initial RF signal, which is a radio frequency signal.

No rogue state is ever gonna catch on. They are not that stupid as to throw basic physics out the window.

Here's a riddle:

During the (atomic bomb) Manhatten Project, false rumors were spread around America that scientists were developing electric rockets at the primary research sites of Hanford, Oak Ridge, and Los Alamos. But if you wanted to read any scholarly articles written by prominent scientists concerning those electric rockets -- there really weren't any, except the few required to support the myth. Today (ten years after it was introduced) there are over 180,000 Google listings for HAARP. But less than 500 of those are "genuine scholarly" articles that directly mention the HAARP facility. The remaining 179,500 listings convey information of government secrecy. So, just what kind of "public project" is it? Judge for yourself.

How many peer reviewed articles do you actually think researchers write a year?! Do you even know how long time it takes to write an article?! 500 articles in 10 years is actually not bad for such a project. I have worked on projects where it took a number of years before we could even write the first article, simply because it takes a long time to get things running and then it takes time to get results and analyze them. Regarding the remaining 179,500 listings, did you even look at where they come from. I am sure many, many come from UM (but that is obviously only a tiny fraction of the kook (sorry Saru, no offense) pages you'll find). Go for the scholarly articles and read some of those, you might even learn something.

Did you notice that the witnesses in the article were a mural painter and his wife? Suppose they saw a rocket crash and went to you to report it. Badeskov would immediately ask them if they know how rockets are designed, what fuel they use to fly and other things they simply aren't required to know. Pretty smart, eh? Caught up in a high overbearing opinion of one's worth (watching your gray cells turning gray), you miss the point of communicating with the only first-hand witnesses. Your conviction is set in stone...

No, why would I?! I am sure that they have seen a rocket before. Even if only on TV. If they said an anti-gravity device had crashed, then I would ask questions. The analogy is as sad as it is wrong. We know rockets exist and they are within the ordinary physics. What you are supporting resides outside of physics. There is a vast difference.

Please post a link to a scientific paper you have published.

No, I am not gonna do that. I have about 150 peer reviewed papers that I have authored and co-authored under my vest, but that is not the issue here. My arguments stand because they are based on simple physics and I have neither need nor desire to act as a person of authority. I can post you links to basic physics primers, if you want because that is what you need apparently. But I seriously suggest that you read through parts of the threads I linked to earlier first.

If you want to play the Meet Mr Wizard quiz game on this forum, I know there is no end to that skillful manipulation.

As mentioned above, I have neither need nor desire. I just abhor ignorance.

After all, 90 percent of all this is just theory anyway...

No, which goes to show that you don't really understand the field, by all means of respect. Much of it is really very basic physics which we know very, very well.

My dear Badeskov, if I were to change the subject to tennis shoes, you, no doubt, would have a better pair. That is evident in all of your comments. Good for you.

No, my pair sucks and I have no clue of tennis shoes. Which is also why you don't see me all over this site "preaching" science. I take the few parts I actually do know about and once in a while I give my opinion in others, but generally I stick to the topics I know about. Please, do the same. And this topic is not one of them.

Cheers,

Badeskov