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Glenn Beck Warns of FEMA Camps

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i guess we just have completely different views on the world aquatus. you still buy into democracy, freedom and liberty while i see them for what they are. simple words applied in certain ways to manipulate us into accepting whatever is thrown at us.

for the record, i do hope my opinion is wrong but i know in my heart it isnt.

Americans have a choice because Americans give themselves the choice. Despite what some on this forum would claim, There are Americans who believe that patriotism means stading up to the government when it goes too far.

ok fair enough you can stand up to the government.. what exactly does that mean? protest till your blue in the face? the sad fact is there would be nothing we could really do to stop any decision our governments make. not really. this has been shown in various ways over the past 10 years including bush's complete disregard for the constitution (you mentioned about people being detained for no real reason then what about all the men who were falsely imprisoned as terrorists. held with no charge. not enough cared because there may have been a chance of them being a threat. much the same as the situation i described) and obama's continuation of that.

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i guess we just have completely different views on the world aquatus. you still buy into democracy, freedom and liberty while i see them for what they are. simple words applied in certain ways to manipulate us into accepting whatever is thrown at us.

There is no such thing as simple words. Words are the most powerful, most terrible, most inspiring, and most destructive things on this planet. In one single small puff of air, you can relay concepts that have built and destroyed civilizations throughout history. Words have routed armies and built empires.

Yes, leaders use words to manipulate. They use words to describe what they want, in such a way that you want it to. And why not? That is what words are for. You yourself are guilty of the same. You attempted to usurp the power of three words that hold a lot of influence with patriots and tie it to something that you consider sinister. Unfortunately, what you consider to be sinister is nothing more than what words are for. To accuse words of manipulating is to accuse a snake of biting.

for the record, i do hope my opinion is wrong but i know in my heart it isnt.

You know, I'm not convinced you do hope that. I'm not even completely convinced you have truly realized the implications of it. Oh, I'm sure that you believe you have, and you may even have a surface understanding based on such things as 1984 and V for Vendetta, but then, that is nothing more than my opinion, and I am wrong on a fairly regular basis.

ok fair enough you can stand up to the government.. what exactly does that mean? protest till your blue in the face?

Far more than that, I'm afraid. A protest is certainly the first step. It is possibly the most effective way of getting your message out to the common public. By all means, protest until you are blue in the face, but additionally, protest while you are being sprayed with ice-cold water, protest while you are being drowned in tear gas, but beyond that, protest without ever resorting to violence.

A protest is not a battle. A protest is a statement of position, a declaration of intent. If one cannot promote discussion without resorting to violence, then you have declared the same to the world; that you are not willing to reason, that you are not willing to talk, that you will have your way, or you will thrash anyone who opposes you. That will never be the message that I want to send. If I am nothing more than a barbarian, then I have no business telling a civilization how to run.

the sad fact is there would be nothing we could really do to stop any decision our governments make. not really.

As I said before, it is tragic that you believe this. There is an old cliche that goes like this:

"Don't believe that one person can never make a difference. Indeed, it's usually the only thing that does."

There is a reason why cliches are cliches.

this has been shown in various ways over the past 10 years including bush's complete disregard for the constitution (you mentioned about people being detained for no real reason then what about all the men who were falsely imprisoned as terrorists. held with no charge.

I mentioned that there were those of us who believed in America first and ethnicity second. The people you refer to have no claim to the title of American.

I have not looked into it, however I suspect that, regardless of the occupation forces, there were still Iraqui citizens protesting against their imprisonments.

not enough cared because there may have been a chance of them being a threat. much the same as the situation i described) and obama's continuation of that.

And again we differ in other ways as well. I consider people captured in a foreign country at a time of war to be a threat. You consider them to be the same as citizens rounded up and herded into concentration camps. I don't understand how you cannot make a distinction between the two, but I am sure you have your reasons. They will not stop me, however, from acting on what I believe to be right.

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lol how did this go from a simple idea of what i thought the camps could be used for to a major derailment? i dunno how you did it aquatus.

i'll take your words on board though as always but to me its obvious we have lived completely different lives to view the world so differently. you seem to still believe that the little man matters and can make a difference or more to the point even cares. which is fair enough i suppose, we all need something to believe in.

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lol how did this go from a simple idea of what i thought the camps could be used for to a major derailment? i dunno how you did it aquatus.

It's a gift. ;)

i'll take your words on board though as always but to me its obvious we have lived completely different lives to view the world so differently. you seem to still believe that the little man matters and can make a difference or more to the point even cares. which is fair enough i suppose, we all need something to believe in.

That is true. And I am fortunate in that I have had the opportunity to get to know such people in the world to inspire me to believe in the power of the individual. The funny thing is that, even if I did not have history, psychology, and experience on my side...I would still choose to believe. Even a simple dream can become reality when people work toward it. If you have already decided to give up because you can't fight the power...well, you are just going to have to go along and do what more powerful people tell you to do.

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its not so much me giving up the fight against the power, its that most people dont know there's a fight to be fought and thats what p***es me off. you can't win a war where no one knows who the enemy is, especially when no one even cares to find out.

i grew up watching braveheart all the time as a kid and while it may be almost full of complete fabrications, freedom is something i grew up with a very high opinion of and desire for, i just cant ever see it happening when were completely blinded. but, the internet is probably the best thing to ever happen in the fight for freedom.. if they dont censor that also.

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its not so much me giving up the fight against the power, its that most people dont know there's a fight to be fought and thats what p***es me off.

Not everyone agrees that there is a fight just yet.

you can't win a war where no one knows who the enemy is, especially when no one even cares to find out.

If you start with the assumption that there is one, and that everyone should realize it, you won't get anyone to listen to you. Words influence people, and the wrong ones drive people away.

i grew up watching braveheart all the time as a kid and while it may be almost full of complete fabrications, freedom is something i grew up with a very high opinion of and desire for, i just cant ever see it happening when were completely blinded.

Now it makes a little more sense. Now I understand why I felt that you had a surface understanding, but not a deeper one.

Democracy, freedom and liberty...these are all things that a movie can get you cheering for. They are all wonderful concepts that can entertain and thrill audiences by the hundreds. They can even make some feel that they can truly understand the characters that are fighting for these ideals.

But there is simply no way around it. No matter how good a movie, how absorbing a story, how in depth the actor...it's all fiction. And fiction of one sort can easily be covered over by fiction of another type. That is why you believe that these words are so weak; because you only have an understanding of the words as they are portrayed in fiction.

but, the internet is probably the best thing to ever happen in the fight for freedom.. if they dont censor that also.

The internet is a powerful tool that needs training to use properly. Unfortunately, like a firearm, it can be easily used by anyone.

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Democracy, freedom and liberty...

The internet is a powerful tool that needs training to use properly. Unfortunately, like a firearm, it can be easily used by anyone.

Liberty is freedom.

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aquatus your trying to pull me into some sort of debate about nothing again, picking apart everything i say.... :no: .

whats the deal? are you bored outa your skull or something? i'm not even going to bother getting bogged down in another debate about nothing with you mate but thanks for the offer.

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ah well, youve roped my in on this one as your tone in the post was somewhat arrogant, as though you have an unique understanding of pretty much everything..

Now it makes a little more sense. Now I understand why I felt that you had a surface understanding, but not a deeper one.

Democracy, freedom and liberty...these are all things that a movie can get you cheering for. They are all wonderful concepts that can entertain and thrill audiences by the hundreds. They can even make some feel that they can truly understand the characters that are fighting for these ideals.

But there is simply no way around it. No matter how good a movie, how absorbing a story, how in depth the actor...it's all fiction. And fiction of one sort can easily be covered over by fiction of another type. That is why you believe that these words are so weak; because you only have an understanding of the words as they are portrayed in fiction.

well actually the battle of bannockburn wasnt exactly fiction mate and was as real a battle for freedom much the same as the US'.. so dont go jumping the gun. no need to talk like the only reason i know about the words is because i watched a fictitious film. (which for the record wasnt all fiction)

the reason i have a problem with these words is because of they way they are thrown around in the present time, with no true meaning.

you say that not everyone agrees that there is a fight? well, mate, if we cant all agree that there at least should be a fight against the banks, who whichever way you look at it have enslaved us, (this isnt even up for debate as even you must admit that the idea of a government paying a bank interest on its own money is ridiculous) then the people have no chance.

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Still I dont understand How FEMA camps are hazardous?

Thanks

B???

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Still I dont understand How FEMA camps are hazardous?

Thanks

B???

FEMA camps are dangerous in two ways. One shows that the government is preparing for something and we don't know what yet. Second is, these camps give an impression of a marshal laws state thats possibly around the corner. What ever these camps represent it points towards a marshal law state and thats scary.

On possible use for these camps could be looked at as to what we did during WWII and the Japanese. For example a war with the entire ME example Iran, Iraq, Afganistan, Israel extra. People of middle eastern decent could be rounded up and kept in these camps till the trouble in the ME is resolved and well that could take some time.

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Liberty is freedom.

Liberty can indeed be freedom, but freedom is far more than merely liberty.

aquatus your trying to pull me into some sort of debate about nothing again, picking apart everything i say.... :no: . whats the deal? are you bored outa your skull or something? i'm not even going to bother getting bogged down in another debate about nothing with you mate but thanks for the offer.

You are as free to enter or leave a debate as anyone else. That you choose to continue to respond means that you wish to continue, not that anyone is pulling you in.

Aah well, youve roped my in on this one as your tone in the post was somewhat arrogant, as though you have an unique understanding of pretty much everything..

Not at all. I am not commenting on my understanding on the matter. Rather, I am commenting on your understanding of the matter, based on the impression that I got from your posts.

Now it makes a little more sense. Now I understand why I felt that you had a surface understanding, but not a deeper one.

well actually the battle of bannockburn wasnt exactly fiction mate and was as real a battle for freedom much the same as the US'.. so dont go jumping the gun. no need to talk like the only reason i know about the words is because i watched a fictitious film. (which for the record wasnt all fiction)

No, it was not. But then, the film did not show the battle of Bannockburn. It merely showed a re-enactment of it.

the reason i have a problem with these words is because of they way they are thrown around in the present time, with no true meaning.

Then perhaps you should stand up in their defense when you hear that happening.

you say that not everyone agrees that there is a fight? well, mate, if we cant all agree that there at least should be a fight against the banks, who whichever way you look at it have enslaved us, (this isnt even up for debate as even you must admit that the idea of a government paying a bank interest on its own money is ridiculous) then the people have no chance.

The subject matter is irrelevant. Unless you know how to do it properly, telling people what to think is going to turn them against you.

Still I dont understand How FEMA camps are hazardous?

Thanks

B???

That's an interesting question. Curiously, the only answer to that is in their potential. One reason that these camps could be so dangerous is because maybe, they could be used to illegally incarcerate people.

That maybe is pretty much the only reason the camps are considered hazardous by a certaing group of thinkers.

But while we are thinking about potential, let's think of a few more possible uses. Just off the top of my head:

Location for evacuated prisoners,

Housing for evacuated civilians (putting them all in buildings that were not designed for the crime and hygiene issues of multiple residents didn't work too well),

Defensive housing in case of zombie attack,

Secure area for vehicles, supplies, personnel, in the event of emergencies,

There's quite a few reasons why these camps would not be hazardous. There only seems to be one in favor of them being harmful.

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"Defensive housing in case of zombie attack"

I like that one the best :tu:

I would say that alot of these camps could be used in a time of natural desater such as we saw with Katrina. However there are alot of camps located in places that are pretty darn safe from most natural disasters. 800 camps though, thats a litttle mind blowing. I guess we wait and see. I wonder why Canada hasn't jumped on the FEMA style camp bandwagon, to protect our citizens :hmm:

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"Defensive housing in case of zombie attack"

I like that one the best :tu:

I kinda like that one too. It just sort of popped into my head.

I would say that alot of these camps could be used in a time of natural desater such as we saw with Katrina. However there are alot of camps located in places that are pretty darn safe from most natural disasters.

Well...yeah. If they were in the same place as the natural disaster, they would be just as torn up as everything else.

800 camps though, thats a litttle mind blowing. I guess we wait and see. I wonder why Canada hasn't jumped on the FEMA style camp bandwagon, to protect our citizens :hmm:

Well, even assuming that half of these reports aren't actual camps, we still have quite a few. I've always wondered what the government would do in the event of a catastrophic disaster, like a comet impact or such.

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this video really creeped me out ... some of the stuff Glenn said was clinically eery.

this "Super Guard" they spoke of ring an AWFUL lot like the Denver Airport Murals!!!

"All of the news is connected ... it fits together like a puzzle" it seems Mr. Beck is telling some crucial info.

Watch him spewing Nibiru this or that next episode.

ha

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Beck is an idiot but he's great for a laugh.

I've lived in south Mississippi for the past 15 years. Military jets from Camp Shelby routinely fly over my town (on 9/11, when all air traffic was brought to a halt, we saw 3 of the usual jets escorting 1 larger, unknown, "fancier" plane flying in from the east to Camp Shelby. Camp Shelby=Cheney's undisclosed location?). and I often hear and feel the bombs they use on the bombing range.

And I was here for Katrina.

About 3 weeks ago, my dad & I made a quick trip to Louisiana to get some lotto tickets. We caught I-59 in Hattiesburg, headed south, then turned off onto hwy 26 @ Poplarville and headed for Bogalusa, LA. Along I-59 between the Purvis & Polarville exits, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of FEMA trailers in a field.

Maybe the FEMA trailers had outlived their usefulness in the area, were sold to a private buyer, and placed there for storage. Maybe it's in preparation for the upcoming hurricane season. Maybe they've been there since Katrina (I hadn't traveled that far down I-59 since the storm). Maybe it's for an upcoming auction. Maybe it's for these "FEMA death camps". (I seriously doubt the absurd "FEMA death camp" theory, but I do know that I know nothing so I try to keep an open, tho doubt-filled, mind on the theory.)

I don't know why these FEMA trailers were there or who moved them there, but it was a stunning site.

I looked on Google Earth when I got home to see if I could spot 'em but nothing. I figured they had to have been moved there recently before Google Earth updated the image, since this one particular rude rooftop message that I know for a fact had been painted on 9/02/05 is still visible.

I'll be going to Louisiana again this weekend. I'll nail down exactly what exit the trailers are at & take some pics.

It's probably nothing, but I'd just like to know wtf is going on (which is how i ended up on these forums).

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Those trailers were there Christmas of 2006 when we were going to Laurel, MS to visit a friend of ours on our way to New Orleans. I don't know why they are there.

It's an awesome sight isn't it?

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Those trailers were there Christmas of 2006 when we were going to Laurel, MS to visit a friend of ours on our way to New Orleans. I don't know why they are there.

It's an awesome sight isn't it?

I was amazed. Row after row after row of empty used trailers.

Christmas '06? Huh.

I've heard (grain o' salt, plz) that Google's been playing closer attention to the Gulf coast area & updating the satellite images because of all the interest in the wide-spread damage. If that's the case, Google not updating that specific area in over 2 years is very strange. (or maybe not, idk)

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They are there because they are unfit for human habitation. The FEMA admin of the past administration purchased a huge quantity of "lemons" and didn't know what to do with them. Your tax dollars at work.

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They are there because they are unfit for human habitation. The FEMA admin of the past administration purchased a huge quantity of "lemons" and didn't know what to do with them. Your tax dollars at work.

What exactly made them unfit for habitation?

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They're not safe to live in because of all the formaldehyde in the interior. You can still find people living in 'em, though.

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They're not safe to live in because of all the formaldehyde in the interior. You can still find people living in 'em, though.

http://www.air-purifier-power.com/formaldehydedangers.html

Formaldehyde is in the majority of household products and dissipates very quickly when allowed to air out.

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hmmmmmm......... :huh:

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