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A man and a woman marry and have two children (one a boy the other a girl). As a result of some tragedy the man dies the woman is known as a widow; if the man were to die, then he would be known as the widower. But (God forbid) the children were to die? Are there words or titles afforded to any of there survivors?? Such a fundamental aspect of human behavior for which we are all speechless. There are no words to define the feelings we have when faced with the death of a sibling prior to ones own. What causes such a devout adherence across society and throughout history? Meaning, with respect to our senses, is in pretty much every other instance labeled. This is of course a tragic and morbid event and in regard to those of you who have had this experience I would forward my greatest sympathy.

That the sum total of human experience does not have words for anything is in and of itself pause for concern. We have written stories about it, made film, plays talk shows and so on. Though the truth be known, there are other such instances where words have no meaning and this is in relation to spiritual experiences

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Do you mean there is no word to call a person who has lost a child? Do you mean there is no word for it, because it would be too painful to concretize such a tragic event?

As they say - language takes things out of chaos. Without names, there is just chaos. And so the word pulls an object into our understanding, into existence, that's why sometimes we forget about the existence of something we don't have words to describe... :)

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I like Chaos Theory but, in this case what I am trying to address are certain consistencies within human language in respect to fundamental behavior. I mean that, when it comes to the death of a sibling prior to the death of his parents, the surviving parents are not afforded any special title, like in the case when either parent dies in respect to each other (such as widow and widower). As far as the direction I am heading into, with regards to the topics of Philosophy and Psychology (Linguistics as well :blink:). While I like Chaos Theory the concepts I am applying and otherwise alluding to involve the interaction of hot and cold dark matter and there subsequent relationship to reality as we understand it. I feel that diffraction is the key to such relationships....

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Matter is essentially an interaction between forms of dark matter (hot and cold), the reaction, as a result of interaction between the two is the diffraction of dark matter. Which results in the existence of matter the type we understand, the one that contains mass (Imagine a Big bang which from our perspective (today's common perspective) occurred "everywhere" at once not from one central location). Humans as we understand it today are made entirely of flesh,cells,molecules,atoms,particles,quarks and so on..... could what we refer to as space-time curvature be represented as the differentiation inherent in our physical structure?

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I like Chaos Theory but, in this case what I am trying to address are certain consistencies within human language in respect to fundamental behavior. I mean that, when it comes to the death of a sibling prior to the death of his parents, the surviving parents are not afforded any special title, like in the case when either parent dies in respect to each other (such as widow and widower). As far as the direction I am heading into, with regards to the topics of Philosophy and Psychology (Linguistics as well :blink:). While I like Chaos Theory the concepts I am applying and otherwise alluding to involve the interaction of hot and cold dark matter and there subsequent relationship to reality as we understand it. I feel that diffraction is the key to such relationships....

linked-image

Matter is essentially an interaction between forms of dark matter (hot and cold), the reaction, as a result of interaction between the two is the diffraction of dark matter. Which results in the existence of matter the type we understand, the one that contains mass (Imagine a Big bang which from our perspective (today's common perspective) occurred "everywhere" at once not from one central location). Humans as we understand it today are made entirely of flesh,cells,molecules,atoms,particles,quarks and so on..... could what we refer to as space-time curvature be represented as the differentiation inherent in our physical structure?

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Wow, you really lost the understanding of Dark Matter. If you want to know what it is, study up on Quantum Physics. You did the same thing as equating someone driving a car and someone eating a sandwich. They don't go together. Studying Quantum Physics is no walk in the park. It takes years of study, with Dark Matter being only a small part of it. Good luck on your research. :tu:

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Meiliken have looked at quantum mechanics extensively, tell me how much do you know about Mayan Sound Technology?

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Meiliken have looked at quantum mechanics extensively, tell me how much do you know about Mayan Sound Technology?

You realize how big of a question it is to ask how much someone knows? Especially when it comes to Quantum Physics? I honestly don't think the server could hold all of it. You'll have to come a little more specific than that. I will say this much, Dark Matter and Dark Energy have nothing to do with Mayan Sound Technology. Give me something a little more specific. :yes:

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Have been at this long enough to know when someone is being rude and your initial response pretty much fit that category, As far as what you think you know about theoretical physics, quantum mechanics and so on take another look at the term in italics and free to get back to me.

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Here is an article on Mayan Sound Technology did not say it specifically had to do with Dark Matter however have spent an extensive amount of time discussing this issue with Architects and those who teach theoretical physics concerning this subject. Let’s be clear the topic is communication so let’s try to do that in a way that is positive.... :innocent: .

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Mayan_Sound_Technology__page_1.mht.doc

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Have been at this long enough to know when someone is being rude and your initial response pretty much fit that category, As far as what you think you know about theoretical physics, quantum mechanics and so on take another look at the term in italics and free to get back to me.

Any thoughts?

Here is an article on Mayan Sound Technology did not say it specifically had to do with Dark Matter however have spent an extensive amount of time discussing this issue with Architects and those who teach theoretical physics concerning this subject. Let’s be clear the topic is communication so let’s try to do that in a way that is positive.... :innocent: .

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I've not been rude at all. But as with any text, tone is hard to communicate. I'm never negative either, but I will look over the sound technology. Sound isn't exactly my forte'. Quantum physics is, but I love learning new things. Hell, I'm tone deaf with tinnitus. Ringing in my ears sucks. :hmm:

If you really want to discuss quantum physics, I'm not sure this forum is for it. Discussing things like ergospheres and such is too off topic. Pm me and I'd be all too happy to talk about it. So few people know anything about quantum physics. :yes:

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I've not been rude at all. But as with any text, tone is hard to communicate. I'm never negative either, but I will look over the sound technology. Sound isn't exactly my forte'. Quantum physics is, but I love learning new things. Hell, I'm tone deaf with tinnitus. Ringing in my ears sucks. :hmm:

If you really want to discuss quantum physics, I'm not sure this forum is for it. Discussing things like ergospheres and such is too off topic. Pm me and I'd be all too happy to talk about it. So few people know anything about quantum physics. :yes:

Have been posting on the internet since the days when AOL was being run out of a garage Meiliken. Unfortunately, posting messages at PM on an internet Forum when one signs on for the first time or as in my case is revisiting a forum which one has not been at for a while can become a problem. Not that I think that it is an issue now but it is better to wait and get to know folks before doing that.

My problem is my right knee, it’s a long story but suffice to say I will need a knee replacement in the not to distant future.

There is always the topic Philosophy and Quantum Mechanics :yes:

Meiliken Mayan Sound technology is a very real Unexplained Mystery....

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Have been posting on the internet since the days when AOL was being run out of a garage Meiliken. Unfortunately, posting messages at PM on an internet Forum when one signs on for the first time or as in my case is revisiting a forum which one has not been at for a while can become a problem. Not that I think that it is an issue now but it is better to wait and get to know folks before doing that.

My problem is my right knee, it’s a long story but suffice to say I will need a knee replacement in the not to distant future.

There is always the topic Philosophy and Quantum Mechanics :yes:

Meiliken Mayan Sound technology is a very real Unexplained Mystery....

Any thoughts?

Aye, I read your link, and I seem to remember reading something 20 years ago about an ancient society that used nothing but sound waves all through their culture. Very vague from that long ago, but something I'd wonder. Would something like this be helpful for deaf people? Could they feel the sound vibrations more acutely? Since sound waves need air to move through by vibrating the air molecules, would oversaturation of an area with a greater amount of air make the sound travel farther/louder? For that matter, does sound travel better in certain gases as opposed to other gases? My skills don't fall into this fully so I wouldn't know how to find out without being a scientist in it. :hmm:

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Aye, I read your link, and I seem to remember reading something 20 years ago about an ancient society that used nothing but sound waves all through their culture. Very vague from that long ago, but something I'd wonder. Would something like this be helpful for deaf people? Could they feel the sound vibrations more acutely? Since sound waves need air to move through by vibrating the air molecules, would oversaturation of an area with a greater amount of air make the sound travel farther/louder? For that matter, does sound travel better in certain gases as opposed to other gases? My skills don't fall into this fully so I wouldn't know how to find out without being a scientist in it. :hmm:

You might take a look at the topic negative sound and physics

For example....

Negative sound

Now this is just an example the research into this field covers allot; military and medical applications to name a few. You could also try negative sound and biology, architecture, medicine and so on. You should find a lot of PDF files but there will also be many HTML's. I was planning to do some surfing on this topic this weekend so will look around for your concerns.

Humans can not hear negative sound do not think animals can hear it either but not sure about insects.

Any thoughts?

PS: Also Negative sound and earphones you might find that may help but speak to a doctor first.

PSS: We have the ability (at present) to reproduce Mayan Sound Technology but only with electronics. You know those walls on the Expressways? The ones with the circular holes and ridges, that is the best we can do with structures.

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You might take a look at the topic negative sound and physics

For example....

Negative sound

Now this is just an example the research into this field covers allot; military and medical applications to name a few. You could also try negative sound and biology, architecture, medicine and so on. You should find a lot of PDF files but there will also be many HTML's. I was planning to do some surfing on this topic this weekend so will look around for your concerns.

Humans can not hear negative sound do not think animals can hear it either but not sure about insects.

Any thoughts?

I do know that frequency comes into play when it comes to what people, animals, and insects can hear. I have the ringing in my ears, and yet I can hear a dog whistle. Sometimes the ringing hurts and drowns out other sounds. With medicine, they use ultra sound to bounce waves off of your insides to see what's in there be it disease, or whatnot. Metal detectors use it to bounce waves off of metallic objects. I'm only slightly knowledged in acoustics since I try to keep my sound system properly placed to maximize surround sound. I suppose this ancient culture probably did something similar to have the maximum reverberation from the surrounding structures. I'd love to go there one day.

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PS: Also Negative sound and earphones you might find that may help but speak to a doctor first.

PSS: We have the ability (at present) to reproduce Mayan Sound Technology but only with electronics. You know those walls on the Expressways? The ones with the circular holes and ridges, that is the best we can do with structures.

Aye, doctors tell me my hearing isn't bad yet so no point in getting an unnecessary expense yet.

I've seen those walls on the Expressways. I always thought they were sound dampeners. Isn't the Taj Mahal an acoustics stage?

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I do know that frequency comes into play when it comes to what people, animals, and insects can hear. I have the ringing in my ears, and yet I can hear a dog whistle. Sometimes the ringing hurts and drowns out other sounds. With medicine, they use ultra sound to bounce waves off of your insides to see what's in there be it disease, or whatnot. Metal detectors use it to bounce waves off of metallic objects. I'm only slightly knowledged in acoustics since I try to keep my sound system properly placed to maximize surround sound. I suppose this ancient culture probably did something similar to have the maximum reverberation from the surrounding structures. I'd love to go there one day.

Earphones and speakers which emit negative sound might help with providing you with a unique type of peace and quite (but you should speak to a doctor first). There is one where the speakers are placed in chairs with high tops. There great at parties because folks who need some time away from all the noise can sit in the chairs and only hear a person standing in front of them (there being considered for airplanes and I think that at present they are being offered as such on limited airplanes). That is an interesting way to understand it. We do in fact have very little we can replicate in relation to creating open air structures as mentioned the walls that are used in expressways incorporate Mayan Sound Technology. If we could do it though it would give a whole new meaning to what fans could do during a football game. :tu:

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Earphones and speakers which emit negative sound might help with providing you with a unique type of peace and quite (but you should speak to a doctor first). There is one where the speakers are placed in chairs with high tops. There great at parties because folks who need some time away from all the noise can sit in the chairs and only hear a person standing in front of them (there being considered for airplanes and I think that at present they are being offered as such on limited airplanes). That is an interesting way to understand it. We do in fact have very little we can replicate in relation to creating open air structures as mentioned the walls that are used in expressways incorporate Mayan Sound Technology. If we could do it though it would give a whole new meaning to what fans could do during a football game. :tu:

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I do remember when I was in the military, our communications specialist showed us something that he only had one of. It was a specialized head phone that used no electronics whatsoever. You put it on and silenced all sounds but human speech. He was given it to study because it's something the military is looking to use inside vehicles since they're so freakin loud. I was discharged a month later, so I never got to hear any more on it. Maybe the same technology? I dunno. :hmm:

For the ringing in my ears, I don't think anything can be done because I could be in a fully silent room and still hear the ringing. In fact the less sound around me, the louder the ringing is. That's why the doctor told me that unless my hearing is going, which it's not, then he really couldn't do anything for me.

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I do remember when I was in the military, our communications specialist showed us something that he only had one of. It was a specialized head phone that used no electronics whatsoever. You put it on and silenced all sounds but human speech. He was given it to study because it's something the military is looking to use inside vehicles since they're so freakin loud. I was discharged a month later, so I never got to hear any more on it. Maybe the same technology? I dunno. :hmm:

Could be.....wonder what would happen if a speaker which could generate negative sound and was also designed to withstand decibels in the billions?

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Could be.....wonder what would happen if a speaker which could generate negative sound and was also designed to withstand decibels in the billions?

Ya, it was supposed to be made to only recognize the pitch of human made voice. It wouldn't even allow one to hear a radio with somemone talking. It was actually cool. We tried it out and someone could be on the other side of a mechanics bay with everyone hammering, engines running, and only speak in a normal volume and you'd hear him clear as day as if he was standing next to you. It didn't even enhance the loudness of the voice either, so it didn't work like a microphone or a loudspeaker. I'd love to know how it worked.

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Ya, it was supposed to be made to only recognize the pitch of human made voice. It wouldn't even allow one to hear a radio with somemone talking. It was actually cool. We tried it out and someone could be on the other side of a mechanics bay with everyone hammering, engines running, and only speak in a normal volume and you'd hear him clear as day as if he was standing next to you. It didn't even enhance the loudness of the voice either, so it didn't work like a microphone or a loudspeaker. I'd love to know how it worked.

Probably the same way the sound technology effect is reproduced in closed structures as was explained in the link I uploaded.

Prior to actually breaking ground a model was built so that sound properties could be tuned. These models were very important as they served a purpose of there own.

Like most cultures Mayans, Toltec’s and Aztecs had unique and positive aspects as well as the negative components. There languages for instance, placed a lot of emphasis upon defining human feelings. This meaning they had multiple (10 to 20 words) for emotional states. Words such as kindness and joy were broken down depending on the circumstances and intensity of emotions, as I understand it this is a reason interpreting there languages has been so difficult (they did not have a word either which related the death of a sibling either). As the literal definition of the term suggest there is a "quantum" effect at work, in making possible Mayan Sound Technology in open air fields with structures. Linguistics plays a very important role in understanding how it works Meiliken as one only need look at the tools ancient Native Americans had prior to the creation of these structures.

But there are also the Legends…...

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Probably the same way the sound technology effect is reproduced in closed structures as was explained in the link I uploaded.

Prior to actually breaking ground a model was built so that sound properties could be tuned. These models were very important as they served a purpose of there own.

Like most cultures Mayans, Toltec’s and Aztecs had unique and positive aspects as well as the negative components. There languages for instance, placed a lot of emphasis upon defining human feelings. This meaning they had multiple (10 to 20 words) for emotional states. Words such as kindness and joy were broken down depending on the circumstances and intensity of emotions, as I understand it this is a reason interpreting there languages has been so difficult (they did not have a word either which related the death of a sibling either). As the literal definition of the term suggest there is a "quantum" effect at work, in making possible Mayan Sound Technology in open air fields with structures. Linguistics plays a very important role in understanding how it works Meiliken as one only need look at the tools ancient Native Americans had prior to the creation of these structures.

But there are also the Legends…...

Any Thoughts?

Yeah, those head phones were probably still experimental. It'll be interesting to see if they get used for people that are hard of hearing.

It's kind of funny about how the Mayans have so many words for a simple feeling. Not unlike the english language, though the english language made it worse. I don't have the resources to do experiments, but if you do, try to find out if sound behaves differently in different gases. It's not too far fetched to think so since light behaves differently in different gases, like neon lights and freon lights.

I don't see how "quantum" could be used since quantum refers to energy and momentum of particles of matter. Unless you mean where it vibrates at certain frequencies. These are still experimental from what I've seen.

I wouldn't be surprised if one day we invent an apparatus that makes a sound vibration that can cause minor earthquakes.

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Yeah, those head phones were probably still experimental. It'll be interesting to see if they get used for people that are hard of hearing.

It's kind of funny about how the Mayans have so many words for a simple feeling. Not unlike the english language, though the english language made it worse. I don't have the resources to do experiments, but if you do, try to find out if sound behaves differently in different gases. It's not too far fetched to think so since light behaves differently in different gases, like neon lights and freon lights.

I don't see how "quantum" could be used since quantum refers to energy and momentum of particles of matter. Unless you mean where it vibrates at certain frequencies. These are still experimental from what I've seen.

I wouldn't be surprised if one day we invent an apparatus that makes a sound vibration that can cause minor earthquakes.

Actually Nicholas Tesla did that and he was researching vibrations....

Telegram, July 11, 1935 -

Nikola Tesla revealed that an earthquake which drew police and ambulances to the region of his laboratory at 48 E. Houston St., New York, in 1898, was the result of a little machine he was experimenting with at the time which "you could put in your overcoat pocket." The bewildered newspapermen pounced upon this as at least one thing they could understand and Nikola Tesla, "the father of modern electricity" told what had happened as follows:

Tesla stated, "I was experimenting with vibrations. I had one of my machines going and I wanted to see if I could get it in tune with the vibration of the building. I put it up notch after notch. There was a peculiar cracking sound. I asked my assistants where did the sound come from. They did not know. I put the machine up a few more notches. There was a louder cracking sound. I knew I was approaching the vibration of the steel building. I pushed the machine a little higher. "Suddenly all the heavy machinery in the place was flying around. I grabbed a hammer and broke the machine. The building would have been about our ears in another few minutes. Outside in the street there was pandemonium. The police and ambulances arrived. I told my assistants to say nothing. We told the police it must have been an earthquake. That's all they ever knew about it."

Some shrewd reporter asked Dr. Tesla at this point what he would need to destroy the Empire State Building and the doctor replied: "Vibration will do anything. It would only be necessary to step up the vibrations of the machine to fit the natural vibration of the building and the building would come crashing down. That's why soldiers break step crossing a bridge."

"On the occasion of his annual birthday celebration interview by the press on July 10, 1935 in his suite at the Hotel New Yorker, Tesla announced a method of transmitting mechanical energy accurately with minimal loss over any terrestrial distance, including a related new means of communication and a method, he claimed, which would facilitate the unerring location of underground mineral deposits. At that time he recalled the earth-trembling "quake" that brought police and ambulances rushing to the scene of his Houston Street laboratory while an experiment was in progress with one of his mechanical oscillators..."

Excerpt from: "Tesla: Man Out of Time"

by Margaret Cheney

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Actually Nicholas Tesla did that and he was researching vibrations....

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The only problem with his experimental machine is he had to clamp it to what he was vibrating first. I think a better version would be something that can fire a sonic wave from a distance that causes objects to shake like an earthquake. Would certainly alter the way warfare is done, maybe even lowering casualties. They showed something similar in the newer Hulk movie though the range of it on there was very short. Maybe that's where quantum physics comes in. And possibly using specific gases that promote the traveling distance of the sound waves. The bad thing is usually a vibration doesn't have a direction, it usually oscillates in a 360 degree radius around whatever is making the vibration. Now since the waves bounce off obstructions and halve their strength, maybe a device that bounces the waves into a specific direction, thereby making it able to be targeted. I know there are some materials that are resistent to vibration so that may be the material needed for it. The implications of such a device could be used for just about anything. Like making locks that are set for a specific frequency to be able to unlock, or even a series of frequencies. Ultra sound is already used to look inside peoples bodies. Yeah I'm rambling but that's what happens when my mind is fed. :tu:

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That is the reason Linguistic is powerfull than word... now how Silent can more powerful than Linguistic!!

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That is the reason Linguistic is powerfull than word... now how Silent can more powerful than Linguistic!!

huh?

Can you please restate that in a way that's understandable? :hmm:

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The Lord's Day is a mystery of the knowledge of the truth that is

not received by flesh and blood, and it transcends speculations.

In this age there is no eighth day, nor is there a true Sabbath.

For he who said that `God rested on the seventh day,' signified

the rest [of our nature] from the course of this life, since the

grave is also of a bodily nature and belongs to this world. Six

days are accomplished in the husbandry of life by means of keeping

the commandments; the seventh is spent entirely in the grave; and

the eighth is the departure from it.

St. Isaac of Syria, The Ascetical Homilies.I

+ + +

Today's story is from Abba Arsenius who was born in Rome circa 360. He was well-educated, of senatorial rank, and served as a tutor to the sons of Emperor Theodosius I. At the age of 34, Arsenius sailed secretly from Rome to Alexandria and from there to Scetis where he became a monk under Abba John the Dwarf. Abba Arsenius went to the Lord in 449.

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July 5, 1998

A Holy Conversation --

The Meaning of Solitude (Part VI)

BROTHER: What is remoteness from the world?

OLD MAN: The thought (or mind) which overcomes the love of the body; for if the body be not trampled upon by the feeling of patient endurance a man cannot conquer in his strife.

BROTHER: Who is the mighty man, he who is remote from the world, or he who dwelleth therein?

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Sayings of the Desert Fathers

1

The tao that can be told

is not the eternal Tao

The name that can be named

is not the eternal Name.

The unnamable is the eternally real.

Naming is the origin

of all particular things.

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.

Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

Yet mystery and manifestations

arise from the same source.

This source is called darkness.

Darkness within darkness.

The gateway to all understanding.

Can you coax your mind from its wandering

and keep to the original oneness?

Can you let your body become

supple as a newborn child's?

Can you cleanse your inner vision

until you see nothing but the light?

Can you love people and lead them

without imposing your will?

Can you deal with the most vital matters

by letting events take their course?

Can you step back from you own mind

and thus understand all things?

Giving birth and nourishing,

having without possessing,

acting with no expectations,

leading and not trying to control:

this is the supreme virtue.

Tao Te Chin

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