The “spirit or alien” question

[UM-Bot]

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Peter Fotis Kapnistos: At the dawn of our social development, humans believed that the sky or firmament was the abode of spirits. In most traditions, a spirit was a ghost or being without a material body. The sky as seen from Earth was called “the heavens” and was accepted in various doctrines as the dwelling place of God and angels –– as well as the blessed after death. Most religions looked upon the spirit as an intelligent life force or “soul.”

The introduction of modern science finally consigned ghosts and spirits to the fantasy zone of delusions and superstitions. In our day, eminent reasoned thinkers are in charge of our scientific and educational systems. But the swift growth of astrobiology in the past few years has presented an exceptional challenge. Several popular theories have been proposed about the possible basis of alien life. The latest phase in the critical analysis of extraterrestrial life now focuses on what physicist and astrobiologist Paul Davies recently described as “Q-life.”

“A century and a half after Charles Darwin published On The Origin of Species, the origin of life itself remains a stubborn mystery, and is deeply problematic. The simplest known living organism is already stupendously complex, and it is inconceivable that such an entity would arise spontaneously by chance self-assembly. Most researchers suppose that life began either with a set of self-replicating, digital-information-carrying molecules much simpler than DNA, or with a self-catalyzing chemical cycle that stored no precise genetic information but was capable of producing additional quantities of the same chemical mixture. Both these approaches focus on the reproduction of material substances, which is only natural because, after all, known life reproduces by copying genetic material. However, the key properties of life — replication with variation, and natural selection — do not logically require material structures themselves to be replicated. It is sufficient that information is replicated. This opens up the possibility that life may have started with some form of quantum replicator: Q-life, if you like.”

Q-life –– set apart as a “life form without material structure” –– ironically harks back to our ancient belief in spirits. According to Professor Davies, the benefit of simply copying information at the quantum level, instead of building rigid duplicate molecular structures, is speed: “Q-life can therefore evolve many orders of magnitude faster than chemical life,” Davies pointed out. The environment of theoretical Q-life is unclear, but the surfaces of interstellar grains or the interiors of comets could allow “low-temperature environments with rich physical and chemical potential.”

The possibility of a quantum replicator became evident in 2007, when an international panel from the Russian Academy of Sciences, the Max Planck Institute of Germany, and the University of Sydney found that under certain conditions galactic dust “comes alive” in outer space. The panel’s chief researcher, V.N. Tsytovich, announced that microscopic corkscrew shapes (helixes and double helixes) could form “spontaneously” in interstellar space. As they have memory and the power to reproduce, the helical strands show the necessary properties to meet the criteria for life. Since that affirmative disclosure, NASA scientists have given weight to a search for what they now call “weird life” –– organisms that lack DNA or other molecules found in life on Earth.

Quantum mechanics predicts that a proton can probably tunnel through the potential barrier separating quantum states of a DNA base pair, thus producing genetic mutations. “Mutations are the driver of evolution,” Davies wrote. “So in this limited sense, quantum mechanics is certainly a contributory factor to evolutionary change.” But how did Q-life evolve into familiar organic life? A possible scenario proposed by Davies is that common bio-molecules were derived by Q-life as a dynamic back-up information storage process.

“A good analogy is a computer. The processor is incredibly small and fast, but delicate: switch off the computer and the data are lost. Hence computers use hard disks to back up and store the digital information. Hard disks are relatively enormous and extremely slow, but they are robust and reliable, and they retain their information under a wide range of environmental insults. Organic life could have started as the slow-but-reliable ‘hard-disk’ of Q-life. Because of its greater versatility and toughness, it was eventually able to literally ‘take on a life of its own’, disconnect from its Q-life progenitor and spread to less-specialized and restrictive environments — such as Earth.” (Paul Davies, "The quantum life," physicsworld.com - July 1, 2009.)

Cambridge astronomers Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe first took up the question of quantum life in the 1970s, when they said that self-organizing plasma in interstellar space could have the form of a panspermia life cloud. In 2008, Arvydas Tamulis of Vilnius University described a comparable kind of Q-life progenitor as a molecular quantum computer able to absorb energy from stars, perform digital functions, and travel through interstellar space by means of radiation pressure. A quantum computer cloud in space would use photoactive molecules to convert light energy to floating point operations at extremely low temperatures.

Since a Q-life cloud meets the key criteria for life, but does not require any material substance, it bizarrely suits the limit for an intelligent spirit. The paradigm of a sentient computer cloud also helped to add some details to current reasoning that plasma has willpower –– and water has memory. Emergence theory describes the way complex systems and patterns crop up from simple interactions. For example, the self-organization of plasma (an ionized gas) leads to the formation of membranes, which eventually partition a cell’s genetic material.

Duke University engineer Adrian Bejan and Penn State biologist James Marden recently put forward the idea that “complexity is a function of flow.” Bejan’s 1996 constructal law is based on the principle that flow systems evolve to balance and minimize friction or other forms of resistance so that the least amount of useful energy is lost. The efficiency of a flow system increases as its branching design components become more complex. Since matter is not required for Q-life, it involves only the flow of information. Hence the “will” of a quantum plasma cloud perhaps is merely to fluctuate –– and flow into more complex patterns with a tendency to become smart. This is also called the physics of evolution.

In 1988, French scientist Jacques Benveniste published a controversial paper in Nature, which indicated that water has “memory” –– and is forever trying to get back to where it was. Some researchers now conjecture that water is capable of containing a memory of particle configurations within its molecular structure, which could also trigger access to electromagnetic signaling.

It was recently discovered that plants, animals, and even isolated microbes converse or “talk” to each other with molecular signals (external hormones) called pheromones. Today, we know there are alarm pheromones, food trail pheromones, sex pheromones, and many others that affect life through a sort of sixth sense (most likely related to smell and taste). Assortments of plants emit distress pheromones when grazed upon. Ants mark their trail with pheromones. And a number of organisms use pheromones to attract their mates from a distance of two or more miles.

It is now understood that water is an ideal pheromone-signaling pathway. The surface tension of liquids could retain the pH memory of a pheromone source –– allowing water to store up information (aggregation pheromone concentrations) rather like a hard disk. Pheromones have been shown to act as single molecules or as a mix of chemicals that evolved into an extraordinary system of micro communication. Results of up to date research into water’s memory of structural correlations have allegedly verified that “water even remembers whether it has been recently hot or cold.”

A potential environment for theoretical Q-life was plausibly foretold in 2005, when Professor Stephen Hawking worked on the “information paradox” and announced that information was not lost in black holes. Scientists had previously imagined that nothing could ever escape from a black hole. But it was determined that event horizon quantum fluctuations could allow information to seep out from a black hole. Hawking said that information configured below the atom in size could flow through black holes without wiping out structural complexity –– and be retrieved in parallel universes.

A new discipline called evolutionary developmental biology, or colloquially, evo-devo, was granted its own division in major universities. Leading scientists, from geneticists to paleontologists, published reports and attended symposiums that presented Q-life as a black-hole-analogous reproductive system. The New Yorker magazine covered topical findings in biology and wrote, “Some of the biggest have come from the new science of evo devo.”

A few of the strange and wonderful areas now under discussion are black hole intelligence mergers, intrauniversal intelligences, and new universe creation. Today, the most powerful Q-life computer cloud in space is thought to be the event horizon of an intelligent black hole.

It appears that even the Vatican is paying attention to the new sphere of evolutionary developmental biology. Given that it embodies the event horizon or “Omega Point” (singularity) of an intelligent black hole, sentient Q-life in the universe probably exists beyond our customary sense of space and time. It outwardly emerges from an untold multiverse, and most likely cannot be created or destroyed. On the face of it, Q-life is equivalent to eternal life. For this reason, the transcendent locale of Q-life is amazingly similar to the miraculous realm of God and angels. Pope Benedict XVI recently made a reference to the late French Jesuit scientist and philosopher Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, who offered an evolutionary theology claiming that all creation is developing towards the Omega Point, which he identified with Christ as the Logos of God. Attesting to a renovation of the world as foretold by St. Paul, Pope Benedict said, “It’s the great vision that later Teilhard de Chardin also had: At the end we will have a true cosmic liturgy, where the cosmos becomes a living host.”

In 2007, Ruth Gledhill of the London Times interviewed Britain’s foremost atheist, the evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins. When asked about the possibility of design by a cosmic intelligence, Dawkins replied: “But that gigantic intelligence itself would need an explanation. It’s not enough to call it God, it would need some sort of explanation such as evolution.”

The odd notion that skeptics might one day demand an explanation from an intelligent Q-life replicator seems brashly outrageous to many of us. Helical strands of “weird life” take shape spontaneously in interstellar space –– apparently not by evolution or a gradual development from earlier forms. Even so, hulking cynics scoff at a cosmic intelligence by writing it off as the “Flying Spaghetti Monster.”

Since religion’s true mission is to encourage friendship with God, perhaps members of the clergy need to consider the link between perception and the geometry of Q-life –– and to explore its impact on human behavior and emotions. Recent studies at Florida State University and the University of Vienna confirmed that people see human facial features in the front end of automobiles, and ascribe various personality traits to their cars. “One-third of the subjects associated a human or animal face with at least 90 percent of the cars.” If humans can interpret inanimate structures in biological terms even if presented in abstract ways, how would they interpret Q-life? For emotional bonding to come about, a Q-life progenitor must not be imagined as an inanimate object or “thing,” but as a highly evolved living being –– with as much intelligence as necessary to initiate new universe creation.

In 1964 the Soviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev proposed a system to determine the measure of an alien civilization. The most advanced civilization is a Type III or IV civilization that would harness the power of an entire galaxy and tap into the energy produced from a super massive black hole. A Q-life progenitor sending out information at the event horizon of a black hole to merge from a singularity is the best runner for a Type III or IV civilization. Such hypothetical life clouds –– bearing information without material structures –– are so highly developed that in all probability they are immortal.

Gerard 't Hooft and Leonard Susskind recently proposed the holographic principle, which suggests the universe is akin to a giant hologram. David Bohm, Karl Pribram, and Michael Talbot talk about the "whole in every part" nature of a hologram as a new way of understanding reality. Every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. If a hologram of an object is cut in half and illuminated by a laser, each half will still contain the entire image of the object. Consequently, information around an event horizon could be pictured as a “Master Hologram” that imparts its thermodynamic symmetries of order and entropy (or archetypal law and revolt). All self-gravitating systems in the universe would be holographic reflections of that Master Hologram. Each and every system would duplicate an allocation scheme according to a “best fit” principle that minimizes wasted resource space while reproducing the positive and negative correlations of the Master Hologram.

In other words, “familiar objects and chronological events” on Earth could be the mirror images of a Master Hologram, modified to simulate our terrestrial best fit. (So too, would every effect in all self-gravitating systems.) Thus, the thermodynamic distortion of “world wars” on Earth could find its cosmic parallel as an equivalent rebellious struggle on another life-sustaining planet. In a planetary system without organic structures, the Master Hologram’s best fit could adjust the thermodynamic distortions to appear as a massive red spot of gas –– for example. If the cosmic holographic principle proves to be technically valid, alien civilizations could be the best-fit holographic resemblances of the Master Hologram – and of us.

Microbiologist recently found that friendly bacteria account for about 90% of the cells in the human body. Some could even be cases of “weird life.” What happens to our friendly microbes when we die? While the body itself might be clinically dead, up to 90% of its cells could continue to live and connect to convection fields or subterranean water basins. Are we holographic copies of Q-life clouds?

Copyright Peter Fotis Kapnistos

[PotterManiac]

hmm, The Q Life...interesting...

Thanks

PotterManiac

[DigitalSentinal]

Great article, Peter. Thanks for sharing it. I've come to many of the same conclusions myself in regards to a lightship and the new city - in conjunction with pyramid symbolism. We're very much on the same path.

[Galactic]

Its more likely pyramid symbolism with in all scales though out the lines of time and beyond. I also agree with DigitalSentinal has said "We're very much on the same path". There's one thing I can say we all carried blue prints and hollow-gram of one self what we are in one.

[starchy]

Great article, Q-life exits, I have no doubt at all.

[crystal sage]

Amazing article...This could explain so many anomalous things..

I wonder if 'Q' life.. responds to 'thought' .. if it can therefore influence 'thought'?

I recall doing some Reiki classes where we were taught to create energy balls.. to concentrate on 'thought forms'..... how drawing symbols in the air can unlock healing potentials... that surprised me at the time.. but I could feel the energy.. the differences before and after... For a while I thought it like a form of hypnotism.. but I could really tell the difference in the energy/ heat produced by others in class..

Then again it could have been mind over matter... Until I read about the latest phone technology..

Software lets cell phones write on air

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2009/08/26/urnidgns852573C4006938800025761F001ABAC8.DTL

It reminded me of the wand scenes in Harry Potter..

What if .. 'intention'..fueled with action.. can communicate.. feed ..manipulate..co-create.. with 'Q' life?

I recall always being worried that I accidentally might do something wrong.. use the wrong words.. ( I often get names/words wrong.. ).. mispell the symbols in the various 'Healing ' modalities.. but was told not to worry... that 'intention' is the key...

Intention being the Activator?

I wonder if there is a link to 'Q' life and Scalar healing? or

Scalar Wave technology..?

[crystal sage]

'Intention' being the motivator.. the building blocks of life... down to the 'Q' life level..

I bet 'Q' life existed before material life.. maybe had quite a hand in constructing.. influencing 'matter'.

[crystal sage]

Just found this...

Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment

What the bleep do we know? Down the rabbit hole. part 15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjLYv-fiaxw&feature=related

Intent?.. is the mechanics of "Q" life involved ? Does it resonate throughout the universe quantumly?

how thoughts.. intent.. affect reality?

Is that the mechanics behind the idea of how thought can create/influence matter?

Causes synchronizations?

as it registers/resonates at the "Q" life level?

even better... could the mechanics behind 'Q' life be involved in creating crop circles? If you think in terms of resonance... as being a form of communication.?

[Solid Skeptic]

Remember to distinguish between 'possibility' and 'fact'...most of this article is mere conjecture.

[crystal sage]

Could this be an indication of Q life in action....? Or Junk DNA activating in space creating Giantism in seeds?

Giant space vegetables ‘could feed the world’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1949129/Giant-space-vegetables-could-feed-the-world.html

It is thought the near zero gravity conditions in space result in super-sized fruit and vegetables with a higher vitamin content.

How sending seeds into space produces such enormous fruit is yet not fully understood, but it is thought cosmic radiation, micro-gravity and magnetic fields may play a part.

Or some Space DNA... star dust.... getting activated in other wordly conditions?

[crystal sage]

More on this..

[Summerin1905]

Edited May 19, 2016 by Summerin1905

[Zalmoxis]

I believe in miracles.

[ChrLzs]

On 5/17/2016 at 11:43 AM, crystal sage said:

More on this..

Please tell us what is in the video, and give your considered opinion.  Some of us have to pay for our bandwidth, and it is a bit rude to simply post a video and expect others to wade through it.

 

And that especially applies to Chandra "Omigod-it-must-be-alien-life" Wickramasinghe.  Way too many cries of wolf from him...

Edited June 15, 2016 by ChrLzs
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[supervike]

7 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Please tell us what is in the video, and give your considered opinion.  Some of us have to pay for our bandwidth, and it is a bit rude to simply post a video and expect others to wade through it.

 

And that especially applies to Chandra "Omigod-it-must-be-alien-life" Wickramasinghe.  Way too many cries of wolf from him...

While I do appreciate your skeptical views, I do not understand why this poster has any obligation to do anything other than post.  It's not rude at all.

It clearly states "More on This", inferring that this video is additional information relating to the original article/post.  People interested could just watch the video.  You having to pay for bandwidth is neither important, or pertinent to the discussion.

 

There certainly isn't a strict guideline to always give an opinion, much less a considered one.  That expectation is one you've shared on several threads.

 

Again, let me reiterate, that you are obviously a very intelligent poster and a voice of reason, and your views normally cut through the 'bs'...However, I don't understand the antagonistic attitude you share in many of these posts.   If I'm reading too much into that, I apologize.  Just thought I'd share my considered opinion on it.

 

[badeskov]

3 hours ago, supervike said:

While I do appreciate your skeptical views, I do not understand why this poster has any obligation to do anything other than post.  It's not rude at all.

It clearly states "More on This", inferring that this video is additional information relating to the original article/post.  People interested could just watch the video.  You having to pay for bandwidth is neither important, or pertinent to the discussion.

 

There certainly isn't a strict guideline to always give an opinion, much less a considered one.  That expectation is one you've shared on several threads.

 

Again, let me reiterate, that you are obviously a very intelligent poster and a voice of reason, and your views normally cut through the 'bs'...However, I don't understand the antagonistic attitude you share in many of these posts.   If I'm reading too much into that, I apologize.  Just thought I'd share my considered opinion on it.

 

While I certainly understand your position, I must admit that I also sympathize with ChrLz and his position. This particular poster has for years been posting what is essentially new age cr@p based on "information" that a two minute research effort shows to be not only wrong, but wrong on so many levels that it is utterly embarrassing. And it has been pointed out for years (I personally do not have the patience anymore).

And coming from the sciency community, I am used to being pointed to the relevant parts of a scientific paper/video so I don't have to waste my time on guessing. So I will allow myself to be nitpicky too

Cheers,
Badeskov 

[supervike]

I understand, and I really appreciate your views Badeskov.  You too are a voice of reason, and I enjoy reading your opinions on many of these topics (as I do ChrLz).  

 

I know there are posters that are really 'out there', and a dose of reality is often needed.  I guess I'd hate to see others hesitating from posting, because they've been scared off.  I just have read several of these types of replies lately, and it just kind of stuck in my craw.  No offense meant to you ChrLz, and I hope you see my point as constructive criticism, and not some sort of personal attack.

[ChrLzs]

21 hours ago, supervike said:

I ...No offense meant to you ChrLz, and I hope you see my point as constructive criticism, and not some sort of personal attack.

No problem.  I know I'm a bit too terse at times, and indeed as my new financial year resolution I am going to try to be painfully nice.  As Bade said, there's a bit of history with a certain poster who essentially refuses to debate in good faith.. and, as you can see, no debate has ensued about this newly posted video, whereas if they had explained a bit about what was in it and gave their opinion, it would have.  I'd be happy to discuss why I think that Wickramasinghe pushes some very silly claims, but if no-one (including the person who posted that video) is interested enough to give their own opinion, then I'm obviously wasting my time..

So, I'm off to other threads.

[supervike]

23 minutes ago, ChrLzs said:

No problem.  I know I'm a bit too terse at times, and indeed as my new financial year resolution I am going to try to be painfully nice.  As Bade said, there's a bit of history with a certain poster who essentially refuses to debate in good faith.. and, as you can see, no debate has ensued about this newly posted video, whereas if they had explained a bit about what was in it and gave their opinion, it would have.  I'd be happy to discuss why I think that Wickramasinghe pushes some very silly claims, but if no-one (including the person who posted that video) is interested enough to give their own opinion, then I'm obviously wasting my time..

So, I'm off to other threads.

Cheers!

It must have just caught me at the wrong time, and I am now slightly embarrassed by my post.  Anyhow, please accept my apologies and thank you understanding.  Not sure what possessed me 

 

[crystal sage]

On ‎6‎/‎15‎/‎2016 at 8:36 PM, ChrLzs said:

Please tell us what is in the video, and give your considered opinion.  Some of us have to pay for our bandwidth, and it is a bit rude to simply post a video and expect others to wade through it.

 

And that especially applies to Chandra "Omigod-it-must-be-alien-life" Wickramasinghe.  Way too many cries of wolf from him...

still watching the last bit... but...  Basically it is the panspermia proof of life outside this world...   says that once people absorb the idea of life elsewhere in the universe.. practically all concerning sciences.. literature .. religions.. will need a rewrite.. psychosocially ...They didn't address how these same viruses affect other life forms though.. but it is understandable... conceptual...

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   During the " Perseids shower "  they sent up a balloon and collected sampling device similar to a cd tray that was opened for 17 minutes by remote control to collect samples .. these were parachuted back .. and a large variety of organic materials found..   (55 minutes into the tape)...  (101 minutes in..)   Fireball October 2012 and 2013 showed evidence of meteorites containing  marine   fossil diatoms  presence of hi radium content.  ( 105 minutes in)... “ If viruses are incident from space then evolution must also be driven from space. How can this happen? Viruses do not always attack  the cells they enter. Instead of taking over the genetic apparatus of the cell in order to replicate themselves, a viral particle may add itself placidly to one or other of the chromosomes . Viruses in our genes provide potential for emergence of new life forms.....  there fore evolution must be driven from space.

When the human DNA was unravelled in 2001  studies showed that over 50% of the human genome is made up of viral sequences.  (1.08  minutes in) ..   And these viruses were inserted into our ancestral line through devastating pandemics of disease.

If intelligence is the process of convergent evolution .. then intelligent life must be common place in the universe.. there are over a billion Earth like planets in our ....

 

 

 

Edited July 2, 2016 by crystal sage
just adding info :)

[crystal sage]

On ‎6‎/‎16‎/‎2016 at 8:19 AM, badeskov said:

While I certainly understand your position, I must admit that I also sympathize with ChrLz and his position. This particular poster has for years been posting what is essentially new age cr@p based on "information" that a two minute research effort shows to be not only wrong, but wrong on so many levels that it is utterly embarrassing. And it has been pointed out for years (I personally do not have the patience anymore).

And coming from the sciency community, I am used to being pointed to the relevant parts of a scientific paper/video so I don't have to waste my time on guessing. So I will allow myself to be nitpicky too

Cheers,
Badeskov 

A little bit offended.. but mostly amused ...  

[crystal sage]

On ‎6‎/‎17‎/‎2016 at 10:01 AM, ChrLzs said:

No problem.  I know I'm a bit too terse at times, and indeed as my new financial year resolution I am going to try to be painfully nice.  As Bade said, there's a bit of history with a certain poster who essentially refuses to debate in good faith.. and, as you can see, no debate has ensued about this newly posted video, whereas if they had explained a bit about what was in it and gave their opinion, it would have.  I'd be happy to discuss why I think that Wickramasinghe pushes some very silly claims, but if no-one (including the person who posted that video) is interested enough to give their own opinion, then I'm obviously wasting my time..

So, I'm off to other threads.

I just saw the post today.. if you were referring to me ...  

[crystal sage]

Actually science is now validating some of my ruminating  explorations here...7 years later...    http://www.solidface.com/first-heart-structure-3d-printed-zero-gravity-using-human-stem-cells/       could this weightlessness or the structural assistance in space be hints at this Q life ?    

 

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As Bioficial Organs CEO Stuart Williams revealed, 3D bioprinting in space could actually provide a huge boost to the sector, as weightless conditions make 3D printing far easier. “ On earth, 3D bioprinting requires the use of thick bio-inks that can contain chemicals and other materials essential to provide structural assistance, ” said Williams. “But printing cells in space we can use finer print ideas and lower viscosity bio-inks which contain only the biological components needed to create a healthful organ.

 

 

Edited July 2, 2016 by crystal sage

[crystal sage]

and to add to that fellow's chat about panspermia.. 

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A mysterious metal orb spewing out biological material was recently discovered by U.K. researcher Milton Wainwright, an astrobiologist studying dust particles in Earth’s atmosphere, who suggests that the tiny object may be an alien device designed to seed life on earth.

The metal shell of the alien “seed” is made out of titanium with some vanadium mixed in and is filled with organic compounds, Wainwright says.

“It is a ball about the width of a human hair, which has filamentous life on the outside and a gooey biological material oozing from its centre.”

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/1838782/seed-of-life-from-outer-space-suggest-aliens-created-life-on-earth-u-k-scientists-say-video/#KgvL6MP4SqvezP9u.99 

and even NASA is verifying this...  http://www.nasa.gov/topics/solarsystem/features/dna-meteorites.html

[crystal sage]

They also found bacteria that thrives in zero gravity and no nutrients.. http://phys.org/news/2013-11-bacteria-zero-gravity-nutrient-environment.html   Could they have originated from some ancient panspermia from some meteorite or comet ?