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John Anthony West interviews Laird Scranton about his book "Hidden Meanings"

well... what do you think about it?

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Maybe they should have read this first:

http://www.skepdic.com/dogon.html

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Maybe they should have read this first:

http://www.skepdic.com/dogon.html

if you check the work..... then you might notice that the controversies surrounding temple's work are irrelevant....

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Maybe they should have read this first:

http://www.skepdic.com/dogon.html

I like this part at the end of the article/link.

See also von Däniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO.

Here is a brief write up on the book.

http://antiqbook.com/boox/sac/534.shtml

There are a couple for sale on Amazon, but they look expensive. No Reviews, dang it.

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Meanings-Laird-Scranton/dp/1401088767

It looks like good old Laird Scranton has writen two other books on the Dogon since. Both are available New on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?%5Fencoding=UTF8&sort=relevancerank&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Laird%20Scranton

Some of the reviews of the other two books are interesting/scathing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people

An interesting people. Very rich history.

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I like this part at the end of the article/link.

Here is a brief write up on the book.

http://antiqbook.com/boox/sac/534.shtml

There are a couple for sale on Amazon, but they look expensive. No Reviews, dang it.

http://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Meanings-Laird-Scranton/dp/1401088767

It looks like good old Laird Scranton has writen two other books on the Dogon since. Both are available New on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/ref=ntt_athr_dp_sr_1?%5Fencoding=UTF8&sort=relevancerank&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Laird%20Scranton

Some of the reviews of the other two books are interesting/scathing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogon_people

An interesting people. Very rich history.

cheers... thanks for the links.....

here is a short essay by the author... http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/ScrantonL1.php

also please bear in mind that the linked video is part of the magical egypt series i.e. episode 8 - cosmology

http://www.magicalegypt.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Ep8

here is a better link to the documentary.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2112814614197144838

In this episode, John Anthony West interviews Laird Scranton, author of Hidden Meanings: A Study of the Founding Symbols of Civilization. Scranton is a specialist in computer languages. He realized that the Dogon tribe of Mali in remote West Africa had a cosmology that closely matched the ancient Egyptian story of creation and that when both stories were compared to contemporary physics and cosmology, the meaning was the same. From his programming background Scranton could see that the Dogon symbols were created using techniques a programmer would use when designing a symbol. He says that a good programmer learns over time to incorporate hints and clues into the form of the symbol itself. When you create a field name in a program, Scranton says, that s supposed to represent an invoice number. You don t call that XYZ123 you call it INVNO. He could see that these symbols were made by someone who knew enough to have used these techniques. Thus convinced that he was on the right track, Scranton was inspired to spend ten years researching it. The Dogon were brought to best-seller prominence by Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), who was struck by the fact that Sirius was the prime focus of Dogon religious worship and that they knew that Sirius was orbited by an invisible dwarf star called Sirius B. These facts were only discovered by our modern-day telescopes in recent times. The Dogon, so far as we know, had no way of knowing this. Scranton makes reference to NASA s brainstorming, If we had to create some kind of structure here to let another culture know that we had been here, what would we do? What kind of symbols would we come up with that would survive for a long enough period of time for an uncivilized culture to grow to a level of sophistication where they would then understand that we had been here? He says, That s exactly what this set of symbols does, and I m very impressed with whomever developed them. They re a very stable set of understandable symbols that can be applied to three different, important creational story lines and create one set of myths that encompassed all three story lines. The three story lines are: The Structure of Matter, The Structure of Reproduction and Genetics, and The Surface Story Line, which explains how these symbols were taught to the Dogon. The ensuing description of the Dogon s creation story starts with the unformed universe and the emerging building blocks of matter. It makes a fascinating presentation. The significance of Scranton s work, says West, is that he shows, in a way that is practically incontrovertible, that the ancients had our science. Whoever that might have been whether from Atlantis or someone with divine inspiration, or alien visitors it was someone who knew a lot about science, says Scranton. Episode 8 was another exciting presentation. I have just one minor complaint printed words shown on the screen were too small (though still readable). --Atlantis Rising Magazine

http://www.amazon.com/Magical-Egypt-Episode-8-Cosmology/dp/B000CSCYHM

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Are these the same little guys that had the mysterious stone discs that looked like record players and supposedly lived with the indigenous natives until the natives freaked out and bashed them?

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Are these the same little guys that had the mysterious stone discs that looked like record players and supposedly lived with the indigenous natives until the natives freaked out and bashed them?

any reference or some additional info... idk :unsure:

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Are these the same little guys that had the mysterious stone discs that looked like record players and supposedly lived with the indigenous natives until the natives freaked out and bashed them?

any reference or some additional info... idk :unsure:

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Are these the same little guys that had the mysterious stone discs that looked like record players and supposedly lived with the indigenous natives until the natives freaked out and bashed them?

Those are the Dropa Disks you are thinking about. The Dropa tribe lives in Tibet.

Dropa Stones

Dropa People

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Those are the Dropa Disks you are thinking about. The Dropa tribe lives in Tibet.

Dropa Stones

Dropa People

thanks :tu:

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John Anthony West interviews Laird Scranton about his book "Hidden Meanings"

well... what do you think about it?

did anybody check these?

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i see a lot of references regarding the dogon tribe here..... i wonder whether all those making whatever claims.... are familiar with this work.... if so; any counter comments?

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i see a lot of references regarding the dogon tribe here..... i wonder whether all those making whatever claims.... are familiar with this work.... if so; any counter comments?

I posted this before in another thread, but here it is again:

http://www.philipcoppens.com/dogonshame.html

"The biggest challenge to Griaule, however, came from anthropologist Walter Van Beek. He points out that Griaule and Dieterlen stand alone in their claims about the Dogon secret knowledge. No other anthropologist supports their opinions. In 1991, Van Beek led a team of anthropologists to Mali and declared that they found absolutely no trace of the detailed Sirius lore reported by the French anthropologists. James and Thorpe understate the problem when they say “this is very worrying.” Griaule claimed that about 15 per cent of the Dogon tribe possessed this secret knowledge, but Van Beek could find no trace of it in the decade he spent with the Dogon. Van Beek actually spoke to some of Griaule’s original informants; he noted that “though they do speak about sigu tolo [interpreted by Griaule as their name for Sirius itself], they disagree completely with each other as to which star is meant; for some, it is an invisible star that should rise to announce the sigu [festival], for another it is Venus that, through a different position, appears as sigu tolo. All agree, however, that they learned about the star from Griaule.” Van Beek states that this creates a major problem for Griaule’s claims.

Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. As James and Thorpe point out, he took star maps along with him on his field trips as a way of prompting his informants to divulge their knowledge of the stars. Griaule himself was aware of the discovery of Sirius B and in the 1920s – before he visited the Dogon – there were also unconfirmed sightings of Sirius C.

The Dogon were well aware of the brightest star in the sky but, as Van Beek learned, they do not call it sigu tolo, as Griaule claimed, but dana tolo. To quote James and Thorpe: “As for Sirius B, only Griaule’s informants had ever heard of it.” Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own.

With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. For more then 20 years, The Sirius Mystery has influenced speculation about the possibility that our ‘forefathers’ came from the stars. In his 1998 revised edition, Temple was quick to point out the new discussions in scientific circles about the possible existence of Sirius C, which seemed to make Griaule’s claims even more spectacular and accurate. But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beek’s devastating research.

From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. Nigel Appleby – whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication – has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temple’s Sirius Mystery. He has written of Temple’s belief that present-day authorities are unwilling to set aside the blinkers of orthodoxy, unable to admit the validity of anything that lies outside their field or that offers a challenge to the status quo. Appleby also believes there exists a modern arrogance that cannot countenance the idea that ancient civilisations might have been scientifically superior.

But it seems that Griaule, a scientist, wanted to attribute to earlier civilisations more knowledge than they actually possessed. Credulous scholars, like Young and Temple, were taken in and through them a whole generation has swallowed the false mythology of aliens from “the Dark Sirius Companion.”

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Are these the same little guys that had the mysterious stone discs that looked like record players and supposedly lived with the indigenous natives until the natives freaked out and bashed them?

That was a story cooked up by Von Daniken.

They are the socalled "Dropa".

Google it, and then tell me how they were able to translate those discs...

If you are able to tell how the Chinese/Japanes scientist (someone no one has ever heard of) was able to do that, you will be the first on the world wide web.

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if you check the work..... then you might notice that the controversies surrounding temple's work are irrelevant....

check again.....

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did anybody check these?

Yes. And did you check what *I* posted??

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Yes. And did you check what *I* posted??

sorry... but i dont think you checked it.... cause if you had, you would notice that this has nothing to do with the info you referred to earlier....

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sorry... but i dont think you checked it.... cause if you had, you would notice that this has nothing to do with the info you referred to earlier....

Yes, I did. And that is why I posted today that link and quoted text.

All these people, West amongst them, base their theories on Temple's book, and Temple in his turn based it on Griault's research.

And Philip Coppens webpage tells us why we can safely discard the whole Dogon 'star philosophy'.

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Scranton is a specialist in computer languages. He realized that the Dogon tribe of Mali in remote West Africa had a cosmology that closely matched the ancient Egyptian story of creation and that when both stories were compared to contemporary physics and cosmology, the meaning was the same.

From his programming background Scranton could see that the Dogon symbols were created using techniques a programmer would use when designing a symbol. He says that a good programmer learns over time to incorporate hints and clues into the form of the symbol itself. When you create a field name in a program, Scranton says, that s supposed to represent an invoice number. You don t call that XYZ123 you call it INVNO. He could see that these symbols were made by someone who knew enough to have used these techniques.

If we had to create some kind of structure here to let another culture know that we had been here, what would we do? What kind of symbols would we come up with that would survive for a long enough period of time for an uncivilized culture to grow to a level of sophistication where they would then understand that we had been here? He says, That s exactly what this set of symbols does, and I m very impressed with whomever developed them. They re a very stable set of understandable symbols that can be applied to three different, important creational story lines and create one set of myths that encompassed all three story lines.

The three story lines are: The Structure of Matter, The Structure of Reproduction and Genetics, and The Surface Story Line, which explains how these symbols were taught to the Dogon. The ensuing description of the Dogon s creation story starts with the unformed universe and the emerging building blocks of matter. It makes a fascinating presentation. The significance of Scranton s work, says West, is that he shows, in a way that is practically incontrovertible, that the ancients had our science. Whoever that might have been whether from Atlantis or someone with divine inspiration, or alien visitors it was someone who knew a lot about science, says Scranton.

read again.... this work is about symbols & programming.... its not on the basis of temple's work......

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Then tell me where did he -Scranton- get his info on the Dogon from. It's either Temple or Griault.

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Then tell me where did he get his info on the Dogon from. It's either Temple or Griault.

anything ufo related is connected to billy meier?

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anything ufo related is connected to billy meier?

Answer the question please.

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Answer the question please.

the source of inspiration has nothing to do with the contents of the work

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Those are the Dropa Disks you are thinking about. The Dropa tribe lives in Tibet.

Dropa Stones

Dropa People

Except these are fake and incredibly racist.

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Except these are fake and incredibly racist.

which is irrelevant to the OP....

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