WoIverine Posted December 30, 2009 #151 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I wonder if there will be an election after Obama's 4-8 year terms are up. Everything could be radically different by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 30, 2009 #152 Share Posted December 30, 2009 What difference would it have made if Germany had won the war? Well you'd be speaking German for one thing. Or Japanese. One of the two. Probably German. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted December 30, 2009 #153 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I wonder if there will be an election after Obama's 4-8 year terms are up. Everything could be radically different by then. in what way exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted December 30, 2009 #154 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Bush, Kerry, Gore, Obama. Not a single one of those has any idea of serving the people. You mean of course, conservative or republican "people". Because they certainly trying to serve the rest of us. Which is kind of the point of elections. And before you say they should be serving all the people (and I agree), that's a bit tough when political parties are diametrically opposed in certain ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 30, 2009 #155 Share Posted December 30, 2009 in what way exactly? I suspect in the same way that people were claiming that Bush Jr would manufacture some excuse to cancel elections and stay president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted December 30, 2009 #156 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I suspect in the same way that people were claiming that Bush Jr would manufacture some excuse to cancel elections and stay president. Ah, I meant we could possibly be part of an "American Union" or whatnot by then, something that supercedes or invalidates the Constitution's 4-8 year term limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyB Posted December 30, 2009 #157 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Well you'd be speaking German for one thing. Or Japanese. One of the two. Probably German. I doubt that. The war with Japan could have easily been avoided. KennyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 30, 2009 #158 Share Posted December 30, 2009 That's true. All we would have had to do was surrender Hawaii to the Japanese. How long that would have avoided us entering the war is debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted December 30, 2009 #159 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Well you'd be speaking German for one thing. Or Japanese. One of the two. Probably German. eh? i wasn't aware that the germans and japanese speak english... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted December 30, 2009 #160 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Ah, I meant we could possibly be part of an "American Union" or whatnot by then, something that supercedes or invalidates the Constitution's 4-8 year term limits. LOL. Exactly how would that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FurthurBB Posted December 30, 2009 #161 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Have I missed something? Were we attacked by Germany in either World War. What difference would it have made if Germany had won the war? We would be trading with them just like we do right now. We were attacked by Japan, after we set it up, so I guess we had provacation to go to war with Japan. Korea, no. Vietnam, No. Gulf War, no. The one we're in right now, NO. What have we gained from all those wars, NOTHING but ill will and the loss of a lot of men and resources.IMHO, KennyB Obviously you have missed something if you think Germany would have won WWII. Russia would have defeated Germany and Russian liberation is the same as Russian occupation. Can you not see how that would have changed things? As far as WWI goes, it is doubtful that we would have begun trading with Germany any time soon after they defeated our allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FurthurBB Posted December 30, 2009 #162 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Truth be told, I would almost bet money that W. delayed the NWO process by intentionally causing global havoc, I get the impression that that is what he was trying to do. That is also probably a big factor in why all the other globalist leaders hate us as well. Had Gore won the election, the global warming, and globalistic consolidation efforts would've probably ocurred years ago. As for Kerry...who knows, seems like he didn't know either. If there is a NWO, which I do not believe, Dubya would have been their puppet because of all the people he's involved with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FurthurBB Posted December 30, 2009 #163 Share Posted December 30, 2009 I suspect in the same way that people were claiming that Bush Jr would manufacture some excuse to cancel elections and stay president. That doesn't even make any sense if there is some vast conspiracy. Why would one person matter when you could have the illusion of a normal election and have the same people in power. Conceptual logic is a skill too often lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2009 #164 Share Posted December 30, 2009 That doesn't even make any sense if there is some vast conspiracy. Why would one person matter when you could have the illusion of a normal election and have the same people in power. Conceptual logic is a skill too often lacking. Indeed and hence Obama is born, with all the same contacts. Long live the backroom boys. I was just surprised that Bush Jr wasn't assassinated - the ultimate excuse for a police state. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 30, 2009 #165 Share Posted December 30, 2009 That doesn't even make any sense if there is some vast conspiracy. Why would one person matter when you could have the illusion of a normal election and have the same people in power. Conceptual logic is a skill too often lacking. Yes, well, this is from the same people who gave us the concept of a hidden cabal who can cause unbelievable events, coordinated globally, invisibly, flawlessly, set up puppet rulers (and remove them) without a trace, and control the entire populace through the control of media and entertainment...and whose goal is world domination. What's left to dominate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted December 30, 2009 #166 Share Posted December 30, 2009 (edited) LOL. Exactly how would that happen? Isn't really that hard to imagine. A near global ELE, complete economic crash, etc. Wouldn't be that hard for a charismatic leader to capitalize on something like that and sucker other leaders as well as individuals into a global union of some sort. We already have an EU. If Dubya could rally a somewhat 80%+ approval rating in the states during 9/11 by using it as an advantage, imagine what someone a lot brighter may be capable of... Edited December 30, 2009 by SpiderCyde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brakzar Break Posted December 30, 2009 #167 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Yeah, I don't think there's going to be another Civil War in the near future. I hope not, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brakzar Break Posted December 30, 2009 #168 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Isn't really that hard to imagine. A near global ELE, complete economic crash, etc. Wouldn't be that hard for a charismatic leader to capitalize on something like that and sucker other leaders as well as individuals into a global union of some sort. We already have an EU. If Dubya could rally a somewhat 80%+ approval rating in the states during 9/11 by using it as an advantage, imagine what someone a lot brighter may be capable of... Ticket to World War III, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyB Posted December 30, 2009 #169 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Obviously you have missed something if you think Germany would have won WWII. Russia would have defeated Germany and Russian liberation is the same as Russian occupation. Can you not see how that would have changed things? As far as WWI goes, it is doubtful that we would have begun trading with Germany any time soon after they defeated our allies. We had American companies trading with Germany all thru WW2. Why would they have not continued to do so even if Germany won the war? KennyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MID Posted December 31, 2009 #170 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Ah, I meant we could possibly be part of an "American Union" or whatnot by then, something that supercedes or invalidates the Constitution's 4-8 year term limits. The Constitution limits a President to two-four year terms. I wouldn't be too worried about an American Union (which implies the destruction of the United States as a sovereign nation) with Obama's crew. He's setting himself up for a Carter-esque single term as it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyB Posted December 31, 2009 #171 Share Posted December 31, 2009 You mean of course, conservative or republican "people". Because they certainly trying to serve the rest of us. Which is kind of the point of elections. And before you say they should be serving all the people (and I agree), that's a bit tough when political parties are diametrically opposed in certain ideas. Who is the 'rest of us'? The country is being destroyed for you as well as for me. If anybody is better off now than they were when Obama took power, I'd like to hear about it. Party be damned. Bush was a Republican and he brought all this on. KennyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyB Posted December 31, 2009 #172 Share Posted December 31, 2009 That's true. All we would have had to do was surrender Hawaii to the Japanese. How long that would have avoided us entering the war is debatable. No, it could have been a lot easier than that. All that would have been necessary is to send a radio message to the Japanese, saying we were going to have naval 'war games' starting Dec 5, 1941, with land-based high altitude bombers, fighters, carriers, battleships, heavy cruisers and submarines. I should imagine Yamamoto would have had business elsewhere. I didn't say I didn't think we shouldn't defend ourselves. I said we ought not to start wars or get into them on account of other countries. KennyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyB Posted December 31, 2009 #173 Share Posted December 31, 2009 We had American companies trading with Germany all thru WW2. Why would they have not continued to do so even if Germany won the war? KennyB I don't think Germany could have defeated Russia during WW2 without us furnishing Stalin with equipment. Even if I'm wrong, what difference would it make to us? Russia won but still folded in the end. KennyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyB Posted December 31, 2009 #174 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Isn't really that hard to imagine. A near global ELE, complete economic crash, etc. Wouldn't be that hard for a charismatic leader to capitalize on something like that and sucker other leaders as well as individuals into a global union of some sort. We already have an EU. If Dubya could rally a somewhat 80%+ approval rating in the states during 9/11 by using it as an advantage, imagine what someone a lot brighter may be capable of... Dubya was a figurehead. There were people behind him pulling the strings who were a lot smarter than he. KennyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted December 31, 2009 #175 Share Posted December 31, 2009 No, it could have been a lot easier than that. All that would have been necessary is to send a radio message to the Japanese, saying we were going to have naval 'war games' starting Dec 5, 1941, with land-based high altitude bombers, fighters, carriers, battleships, heavy cruisers and submarines. I should imagine Yamamoto would have had business elsewhere. I didn't say I didn't think we shouldn't defend ourselves. I said we ought not to start wars or get into them on account of other countries. KennyB Yeah. Asides from the whole assumption that we were in a position to verify any attack, sure. That would have stopped them. The Japanese were known for backing away from a fight. Way to judge character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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