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World misled over Himalayan glacier meltdown

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A warning that climate change will melt most of the Himalayan glaciers by 2035 is likely to be retracted after a series of scientific blunders by the United Nations body that issued it.

Two years ago the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) issued a benchmark report that was claimed to incorporate the latest and most detailed research into the impact of global warming. A central claim was the world's glaciers were melting so fast that those in the Himalayas could vanish by 2035.

In the past few days the scientists behind the warning have admitted that it was based on a news story in the New Scientist, a popular science journal, published eight years before the IPCC's 2007 report.

It has also emerged that the New Scientist report was itself based on a short telephone interview with Syed Hasnain, a little-known Indian scientist then based at Jawaharlal Nehru University in Delhi.

Hasnain has since admitted that the claim was "speculation" and was not supported by any formal research. If confirmed it would be one of the most serious failures yet seen in climate research. The IPCC was set up precisely to ensure that world leaders had the best possible scientific advice on climate change.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece

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Something whispers to me that UN may soon lose its Climate research body :unsure2: Not too big a loss after them losing the shame.

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we've been saying it for a while now - the wheels are coming off. but even when the last wheel flys off and the whole thing grinds to a halt, expect fierce resistance to many reputations are on the line for the egos to back track.

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This house of cards is falling down around them and instead of breathing a sigh of relief some people will just get more indignant.

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we've been saying it for a while now - the wheels are coming off. but even when the last wheel flys off and the whole thing grinds to a halt, expect fierce resistance to many reputations are on the line for the egos to back track.

I must have been reading your mind while posting. :lol:

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i expect to hear how local climate doesn't give you a pic. of the planet's climate.

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Regardless how damning and provoking the climategate emails and the so-called 'failure' of Copenhagen was perceived to be one thing is certain:

-the agenda is moving forward with or without a 100% agreement from every participating country at the conference

-developed nations are still going to be taxing their populaces and the money will be going to the non-elected IMF

*this we know*

Date to remember -January 31, 2010

Developed countries (Annex I Parties) will "commit to economy-wide emissions targets for 2020"...

And these are required to be submitted by January 31, 2010 and it is agreed that these Parties to the Kyoto Protocol will strengthen their existing targets...

Delivery of reductions and finance by developed countries will be measured, reported and verified (MRV) in acordance with COP guidelines.

-January 31, 2010

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Just curious...

Without using google can anybody here name this person?

[in 2002 he left the Treasury to join the Council on Foreign Relations as a Senior Fellow in the International Economics department.[15] He was director of the Policy Development and Review Department (2001-2003) at the International Monetary Fund(IMF).[6]

In October 2003 at age 42,[16] he was named president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.]

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we've been saying it for a while now - the wheels are coming off. but even when the last wheel flys off and the whole thing grinds to a halt, expect fierce resistance to many reputations are on the line for the egos to back track.

Either that, or a lot of people are gonna get used as scapegoats and lose their careers for the higher ups to save face.

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we've been saying it for a while now - the wheels are coming off. but even when the last wheel flys off and the whole thing grinds to a halt, expect fierce resistance to many reputations are on the line for the egos to back track.

It's a runaway train and i can't see it being derailed, as you said to many reputations have been built on it, it's also big business and they're not going to let their investments go down the drain.

The puppy hunters aren't going to let this one go, they need it to get through the day.

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It's a runaway train and i can't see it being derailed, as you said to many reputations have been built on it, it's also big business and they're not going to let their investments go down the drain.

The puppy hunters aren't going to let this one go, they need it to get through the day.

Best way to preserve a lie or the truth is to - not talk about it.... ignore the issue - like it never happened.

This is what is happening right now.

Not one word from 'the team' except for word that Phil Jones stepped down while they investigate themselves.

No interviews from the so-called 'experts' and the so-called bullet-proof future forecast weather/temperature prediction computer models.

Not a word.

BUT,

They still want YOUR money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

January 31, 2010

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Edited by acidhead

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Same location with 20 year time difference (the first shot is tighter than the second shot). Care to speculate on whether the glacier has changed? It's northern Peru, near the Equator, so seasons aren't a factor.

huaraz.jpg

How about these northern hemisphere glaciers. Anyone want to speculate?

melting_glacier1.jpg

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Photoshop.

:lol:

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Photoshop.

I gotta say... I get so tired of this bratty "Conservative" crap. It's on a par with Holocaust denial when in comes to common sense and decency. The change is within living memory, ahole.

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Hey eqgumby... do you do much posting on the "Did we really land on the moon" thread? Take a look at it...Seems like it would be right up your alley!

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Same location with 20 year time difference (the first shot is tighter than the second shot). Care to speculate on whether the glacier has changed? It's northern Peru, near the Equator, so seasons aren't a factor.

huaraz.jpg

How about these northern hemisphere glaciers. Anyone want to speculate?

melting_glacier1.jpg

the great lakes have been moving south for the last 10,000 years due to glacier melt.

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the great lakes have been moving south for the last 10,000 years due to glacier melt.

Not this drastically they haven't.

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Not this drastically they haven't.

about 4 inches a year. besides at some point a melting ice cube speeds up.

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Yeah, uhmmm, haven't glaciers been basically receding since the last ice age... which is a good thing, isn't it?

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Yeah, uhmmm, haven't glaciers been basically receding since the last ice age... which is a good thing, isn't it?

No they (obviously) receded and then went through cycles of growth and contraction. The problem is that what's happening now is outside the limits of this cycle. That's why we hear about people finding mammoths (and ancient humans) as well in areas that have melted. They've been there for 10,000 yrs and the now ice is melting to reveal them.

I heard that stuff about the Great Lakes moving south too. It's pretty weird isn't it? Please note that if this was happening because glaciers were retreating they'd be moving north.

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No they (obviously) receded and then went through cycles of growth and contraction. The problem is that what's happening now is outside the limits of this cycle. That's why we hear about people finding mammoths (and ancient humans) as well in areas that have melted. They've been there for 10,000 yrs and the now ice is melting to reveal them.

I heard that stuff about the Great Lakes moving south too. It's pretty weird isn't it? Please note that if this was happening because glaciers were retreating they'd be moving north.

no the lakes are moving south because as the ice melts up north that part of the continent is rising do to the wieght lose.

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no the lakes are moving south because as the ice melts up north that part of the continent is rising do to the wieght lose.

Really? So the continents are tilting with less weight? Wow. Geology and the patterns of the earth are so amazing.

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Really? So the continents are tilting with less weight? Wow. Geology and the patterns of the earth are so amazing.

isn't it. i mean can you imagine that ice actually wieghs a lot.

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isn't it. i mean can you imagine that ice actually wieghs a lot.

The weight is amazing to contemplate. It also suggests that the continents are resting on a mushier more flexible surface so they can tilt like rafts or boats.

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The weight is amazing to contemplate. It also suggests that the continents are resting on a mushier more flexible surface so they can tilt like rafts or boats.

since the mantle is mostly melton and the continents are lighter then the surrending ocean yes they are.

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