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How do I invite evil spirits to my home?

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Yeah, Like i said, I just used the first person who suggested it, some one said lucid dreaming already

I was the first to suggest calling them into lucid dreaming. It's on page 5 and that's why its listed as number 3 on your list(you just didn't write it correctly). So if you can find one before that let me know.

So I've posted to correct what you wrote on your list because it is misleading and not actually giving the personal technique I use that I gave very early in this thread. I've also had to post again now to correct the above.

Personally I think the best way is to skip all this and to get good at lucid dreaming because you dont need to then do these complicated rituals inorder to open your astral eyes because you are already there. So it might not be what your after because summoning to the physical plane apparently is the hardest thing to do but if you want to summon to the astral plane then skip the rituals and use sigils or your voice to basically call them into your dreaming. When you are dreaming you can basically draw a sigil and it will float in the air and stay so you dont have to visualize it like in the physical because its just there so its much easier. Best of all though is to just use your voice and you call with what they call a vibrating voice where you vibrate the name of the spirit and just wait. So say you want to summon the angel Michael you say Mi-cha-el "Mee-kaaaa-elllll" (kinda like that)and use your whole breath to say the name.

So if you take the time to make a list at least be accurate, also be accurate in your postings.

Don't get me wrong either, I like the idea of the list but just do it correctly. :)

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Id love to take you on a vision quest. I have it in my head to make up that way. We just have to be solid on it. I know you are a working man, but i need four days. It would be the perfect ending to the little project I have brewing in my mind, but syncronistically things are condensing themselves so my mind is brewing again. I will be in the ventana wilderness in a few weeks I suspect I will come back with how to proceed. I was planning a trip down the Carson river the week after the fourth of July but I can modify just about anything. It's a little more difficult now that I'm back and forth to the school all day, but I'm pretty resourceful. I'm already working on said project, slowly but surely. Let me know. Im all for it if we schedule it. What an adventure it will be, and what a report you could give.

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I get 2 days off a week. Saturday and Sunday. I on my second month of a 90 day probation. ( new job ). I will not be able to take 4 days off in a row for another year. ( vacation ).

You hiring? :tu:

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Very relevant to the topic :w00t: I don't really think your list is serving very much purpose... if the OP would let this thread die, instead of continue to try and keep it alive for whatever reason, if people have questions about a Ouija Board, they'll post a new thread. From my observations, the guy has no genuine interest in investigation of the topic, only to ridicule it and people who have had experiences because he can't get anything to work. Therefore, because HE can't get results - everybody else is a liar or mentally ill. Talk about thinking the world revolves around you.

Who said Sakari is the ONLY skeptic who tried it? That seem one sided, I tried a few myself and even had a few friends who believe in it try it to examine results.

I know you are new here because there is a lot of threads that were deleted from skeptics and believers who end up debunking those who make those claims of being gifted. You don't see those thread because mods remove them.

Maybe if you read as many threads that been created here, then you have some ground to argue. Heck, read this entire thread and you see even the gifted arguing with other believers about the legitimately of their so called powers.

So yes I am sticking two the 4 catagories but there is always a subcatagory.

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Everybody has powers .. just depends on what you believe and how you use them.

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Who said Sakari is the ONLY skeptic who tried it? That seem one sided, I tried a few myself and even had a few friends who believe in it try it to examine results.

I know you are new here because there is a lot of threads that were deleted from skeptics and believers who end up debunking those who make those claims of being gifted. You don't see those thread because mods remove them.

Maybe if you read as many threads that been created here, then you have some ground to argue. Heck, read this entire thread and you see even the gifted arguing with other believers about the legitimately of their so called powers.

So yes I am sticking two the 4 catagories but there is always a subcatagory.

:tu:

Everybody has powers .. just depends on what you believe and how you use them.

Now Brian has to add " you must believe " one more notch.....

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Who said Sakari is the ONLY skeptic who tried it? That seem one sided, I tried a few myself and even had a few friends who believe in it try it to examine results.

I know you are new here because there is a lot of threads that were deleted from skeptics and believers who end up debunking those who make those claims of being gifted. You don't see those thread because mods remove them.

Much like there's people who try it out and it works :tu: but oh wait, I forgot... they're liars or mentally retarded, right? :whistle: maybe us "believers" should use that line for the people it doesn't work for?

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Much like there's people who try it out and it works :tu: but oh wait, I forgot... they're liars or mentally retarded, right? :whistle: maybe us "believers" should use that line for the people it doesn't work for?

Any evidence to back this up?....Any at all?

Anyone of them willing to meet me in person and show me how?..Better yet, do it while I am present?.....Or any other " skeptic ", or better yet, a Professor?

Lets just stick to the easy part.....Any evidence to back this up?

I have plenty that it does not. And as stated, I am not the only one who tried.

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Any evidence to back this up?....Any at all?

Anyone of them willing to meet me in person and show me how?..Better yet, do it while I am present?.....Or any other " skeptic ", or better yet, a Professor?

Lets just stick to the easy part.....Any evidence to back this up?

I have plenty that it does not. And as stated, I am not the only one who tried.

Works both ways... do you have any evidence to prove to me that what I and others experience isn't what we think it is? I don't think you do, do you? I know you're a bit butthurt about my comments towards America, but you don't need to follow every topic I post in, with your classic M.O. of ridicule.

There's plenty of evidence out there, though I'm sure anything in video/photograph format is going to be called fake, am I right? What evidence do you want, exactly? Why don't you act like a real investigator and instead of trying to get evidence over a forum where nothing will satisfy you, get out there and go where phenomenon supposedly takes place. Go to a few spiritualist churches and get talking to people, let 'em know the answers you're after, and you're sure to find to some people willing to let you investigate supposed haunted places. Then you can do whatever tests or experiments you want because we both know neither I, nor anybody else, can give you evidence over the Internet that'll even kick that skeptic mind into just an open minded gear.

Or... continue to rabbit on this forum all day long about how people are liars or mentally ill. Whatever puts a smile on your face.

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Works both ways... do you have any evidence to prove to me that what I and others experience isn't what we think it is? I don't think you do, do you? I know you're a bit butthurt about my comments towards America, but you don't need to follow every topic I post in, with your classic M.O. of ridicule.

There's plenty of evidence out there, though I'm sure anything in video/photograph format is going to be called fake, am I right? What evidence do you want, exactly? Why don't you act like a real investigator and instead of trying to get evidence over a forum where nothing will satisfy you, get out there and go where phenomenon supposedly takes place. Go to a few spiritualist churches and get talking to people, let 'em know the answers you're after, and I'm you're sure to find to some people willing to let you investigate supposed haunted places. Then you can do whatever tests or experiments you want because we both know I, nor anybody else, can give you evidence over the Internet that'll even kick that skeptic mind even into an open minded gear.

For one, I am not following you.....I have been active in those topics well before you, and I follow those topics. And, if you have not noticed, I started this topic.

Your comment was not about America, you made a comment using victims of 9/11 as a comparison to a Whale topic.....You are sick bud.

Back on topic, although I am not sure I will respond to you after the 9/11 comment.....

I want evidence, not talk. I have done what you ask, read the topic.

If I have not, tell me what to do...

Evidence, give me solid evidence. If you have it, give it to your local University, then there will be no need for me to ask for it, as it will surely be big news.

I am serious, I, and many others, are tired of the talk, we want evidence.

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For one, I am not following you.....I have been active in those topics well before you, and I follow those topics. And, if you have not noticed, I started this topic.

Your comment was not about America, you made a comment using victims of 9/11 as a comparison to a Whale topic.....You are sick bud.

Back on topic, although I am not sure I will respond to you after the 9/11 comment.....

I want evidence, not talk. I have done what you ask, read the topic.

If I have not, tell me what to do...

Evidence, give me solid evidence. If you have it, give it to your local University, then there will be no need for me to ask for it, as it will surely be big news.

I am serious, I, and many others, are tired of the talk, we want evidence.

Yes, it's okay to slaughter animals, human life is more valuable - I know, I know, if having compassion for animals is sick, call me sick :tu: you're the one who wants the evidence, get off your ass and do some work in discovering it for yourself. You don't ask a Christian to prove there is a God, or do you? You either accept people have their own belief system or go out there and prove them wrong.

I, and others, have nothing to prove to you. It's you who wants to dispute it.

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Sakari, have you tried doing hand-palm readings to people? Try learning it like any subject at school, take the attitute it's you who still has a lot to learn, as if you were in an elementary class. It all boils down to basics.. from looking at your chart, I'd say you could be a very prominent hand palm reader. Just learning the basics of it and giving people readings and seeing if you'd get them right or not, and asking the experts in that field (yes, those who have done hand-palm reading more and are considered to be more professional among those who give credit to that field) if you missed something there. I had mine read once, it was actually pretty accurate, though she could had read me in other ways too probably (like the way you can tell things about people's birthcharts of astrology by getting to know with them).

Google picture search might actually be a good place to start.. not relying only on one source and following your gut-feeling in what is right or more on the mark there has worked for me when starting studying something.

http://www.wikihow.com/Read-Palms

http://chineseastrol...ing/default.htm

edit: you might get the hang of it at the first times or likely get it work by just following the techniques, but dont expect to be good at it without some practise. Raising your profound insight in these fields takes studying, practise and seeing through your own mistakes and such in that field.

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Yes, it's okay to slaughter animals, human life is more valuable - I know, I know, if having compassion for animals is sick, call me sick :tu: you're the one who wants the evidence, get off your ass and do some work in discovering it for yourself. You don't ask a Christian to prove there is a God, or do you? You either accept people have their own belief system or go out there and prove them wrong.

I, and others, have nothing to prove to you. It's you who wants to dispute it.

Again, read the topic.....I have.

I called you sick for using 9/11 victims as a comparrison to slaughtering chickens......Drop it all ready.

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Now Brian has to add " you must believe " one more notch.....

You already believe and act according to your beliefs.. your powers are also excerted through those means. Theres nothing super-powerish to it... it just is what it is. You might be a skeptic but that is your world, good job on protecting your borders.

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You already believe and act according to your beliefs.. your powers are also excerted through those means. Theres nothing super-powerish to it... it just is what it is. You might be a skeptic but that is your world, good job on protecting your borders.

I do not " believe " in things.

I " know " things.

If I do not know about something, I learn about it. Until I learn about it, I do not " know ".....I never believe in something with blind faith.

Big difference.

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I do not " believe " in things.

I " know " things.

If I do not know about something, I learn about it. Until I learn about it, I do not " know ".....I never believe in something with blind faith.

Big difference.

Sakari,

You said you want to investigate these things. Whether you "know" or don't know what is real or isn't, if you want to seriously investigate these things, listen to the people who have experience with it. It's pretty conclusive to science that we're far from understanding in any depth how the mind works. For something like a Ouija Board, you have to believe it's going to work on some level, that's just the way it is. You're sending out an invitation to the spirit world - that invitation isn't being sent if you don't even believe what you're doing. Your belief is the invitation, if you want to look at it like that. Your best bet is investigating already haunted places, and lots of them, since spirit already reside there and belief isn't such an issue.

I think an open minded investigator makes better than a skeptic one though...

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Who said Sakari is the ONLY skeptic who tried it? That seem one sided, I tried a few myself and even had a few friends who believe in it try it to examine results.

*snip

So yes I am sticking two the 4 catagories but there is always a subcatagory.

Like I think I said earlier in this thread, I was sceptical until I started to find out for myself. But I used methods that just seemed logical and it was/is like an ongoing experiment(I started summoning in dreams in 2001). So I wanted to explore for myself and not believe anyone. I tend to not believe anything unless I see/experience it for myself. So many would probably assume I'm just a believer but the truth is I'm probably more sceptical than you guys. I'm even sceptical that Sakari(or others) have actually bothered trying half of these techniques. I mean fair enough yeah considering we've never seen any evidence of it. So I think being sceptical is in my nature.

The ones who claim to be gifted fall into four catagories.

A) They like to advertise, brag and openly talk as if they know what they are talking about. They are the ones who reply to almost every thread and have a rediculas high post count over a month, more than even the members who been active for years here. The people who claim they are gifted want to feel special, admired or want to feel they have control of their "life" and even convince themselves to the point that they swear to their grave.

When it comes down to the crunch when people here ask questions about these so called claims, the "gifted" would pull the "I don't need to prove you any thing" card and expect that to sit in the water, except it floats like oil.

B) They want to convince people they he or she is gifted and go far to try and make a buck, such as selling haunted items or buying their merchandise etc. It doesn't last very long here.

C) Certain people at some point will admit secretly or even in openl to having mental health problems, some even say that their mental health problem is the true cause of their gift. We had one guy who posted he was biopolar and is cronic depressed and was able to see into the souls of people and know when they die and can do it by looking at people photos.

D) People who are amature writers and testing their creativity here. They the ones who post a couple of posts and vanish. Most the time those stories go in par with the movies or popular books or tv shows or even internet stories (Slanderman).

Anyway I also want to touch on this above. I don't like being put into some shallow category. I certainly don't come under A. I'd have more posts and I don't often reply to threads. I also generally sit on the fence because I'm still discovering for myself and if I wanted to feel special I'd offer to PM people my advice all the time. (That makes me cringe hey.. no offense to others that do it. Do what you want, we are all different but it makes me cringe).

I'm also not in B. B people annoy the hell outta me and in order to be in B you have to be more sociable for starters. lol. I also cant stand hippie crystal shops that sell crap(dream catchers and even books etc). I look at them as try hards selling new age junk to older ladies. (again no offense if anyone loves those places.. each to their own)

C, I only admit to being anxious around others and that has nothing to do with lucid dreaming and calling spirits in them. Others may try to place me in mental health categories but that doesn't make it a fact(because nobody knows me enough to do it) . So that only shows a.. flaw in the people who are willing to do that to someone.

And D. Quite simply I find no honour in telling stories/lies. I've said it before, the only lie I've ever typed online was that Metallica sucked(I said this years ago around 2003, pretty sure thats the only one) and I only did that because I had listened to them for years and had moved on and the guy I said it too was a nob who didn't shut up about them(I was grumpy that day). So it was a heat of the moment thing that yes.. was a lie cause they don't suck. Forgive me :nw:

*Oh man I just noticed.. you started with...... " The ones who claim to be gifted fall into four catagories".....

But I've never claimed to be gifted(I don't think I have anyway.. have I anyone?). So all that above was pointless. Oh well, I might as well post it now anyway.

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Like I think I said earlier in this thread, I was sceptical until I started to find out for myself. But I used methods that just seemed logical and it was/is like an ongoing experiment(I started summoning in dreams in 2001). So I wanted to explore for myself and not believe anyone. I tend to not believe anything unless I see/experience it for myself. So many would probably assume I'm just a believer but the truth is I'm probably more sceptical than you guys. I'm even sceptical that Sakari(or others) have actually bothered trying half of these techniques. I mean fair enough yeah considering we've never seen any evidence of it. So I think being sceptical is in my nature.

Anyway I also want to touch on this above. I don't like being put into some shallow category. I certainly don't come under A. I'd have more posts and I don't often reply to threads. I also generally sit on the fence because I'm still discovering for myself and if I wanted to feel special I'd offer to PM people my advice all the time. (That makes me cringe hey.. no offense to others that do it. Do what you want, we are all different but it makes me cringe).

I'm also not in B. B people annoy the hell outta me and in order to be in B you have to be more sociable for starters. lol. I also cant stand hippie crystal shops that sell crap(dream catchers and even books etc). I look at them as try hards selling new age junk to older ladies. (again no offense if anyone loves those places.. each to their own)

C, I only admit to being anxious around others and that has nothing to do with lucid dreaming and calling spirits in them. Others may try to place me in mental health categories but that doesn't make it a fact(because nobody knows me enough to do it) . So that only shows a.. flaw in the people who are willing to do that to someone.

And D. Quite simply I find no honour in telling stories/lies. I've said it before, the only lie I've ever typed online was that Metallica sucked(I said this years ago around 2003) and I only did that because I had listened to them for years and had moved on and the guy I said it too was a nob who didn't shut up about them. So it was a heat of the moment thing that yes.. was a lie cause they don't suck. Forgive me :nw:

*Oh man I just noticed.. you started with...... " The ones who claim to be gifted fall into four catagories".....

But I've never claimed to be gifted. So all that above was pointless. Oh well, I might as well post it now anyway.

I really cringe when anybody claims they're "gifted" or have "powers".

I think those categories are pretty judgmental and whilst, sure, many people do fall into them, I lead a pretty normal life and my "paranormal" side is barely a blip on the radar. Not a big part of it at all. No desire to tell all and sundry I'm "gifted", I don't even consider myself psychic or the like. I've never made a dime off of anything paranomaly I do and never intend to. It's something I frown upon with mediums and psychics, actually. Seen a doctor years ago (voluntarily I might add) and my mental health is in pristine condition. I am a writer, fiction to be more exact, but haven't and never even thought of writing anything paranormal :P more comedy and action-adventure :tsu:

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I do not " believe " in things.

I " know " things.

If I do not know about something, I learn about it. Until I learn about it, I do not " know ".....I never believe in something with blind faith.

Big difference.

The problem is when you act (and have said before) that you know the paranormal doesn't exist. Because you don't. You believe it doesn't. And it's not blind faith, just as most of the people who disagree with you don't have blind faith. They, and you, chose a different opinion based on the information they've collected and chosen to give credence to. Why do you make them sound like imbeciles when your opinion is no more proven than theirs? Because you tried what people suggested here in minor detail in passing and didn't have anything happen? What proof. No, this is a c*** waving contest. It's so arrogant.

You should do a scientific test now. Go outside tonight and toss a rock out into the street. Wait to hear the sound of it hitting a duck. If you don't hear any duck being hit, it's safe to assume ducks don't exist, right?

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I do not " believe " in things.

I " know " things.

If I do not know about something, I learn about it. Until I learn about it, I do not " know ".....I never believe in something with blind faith.

Big difference.

Me too

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I get 2 days off a week. Saturday and Sunday. I on my second month of a 90 day probation. ( new job ). I will not be able to take 4 days off in a row for another year. ( vacation ).

You hiring? :tu:

As soon as I'm rich I'll higher you to take me around the world and be my fishing guide. 🐟but I'm afraid you might scare all the spirits away 😄.

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Sakari,

You said you want to investigate these things. Whether you "know" or don't know what is real or isn't, if you want to seriously investigate these things, listen to the people who have experience with it. It's pretty conclusive to science that we're far from understanding in any depth how the mind works. For something like a Ouija Board, you have to believe it's going to work on some level, that's just the way it is. You're sending out an invitation to the spirit world - that invitation isn't being sent if you don't even believe what you're doing. Your belief is the invitation, if you want to look at it like that. Your best bet is investigating already haunted places, and lots of them, since spirit already reside there and belief isn't such an issue.

I think an open minded investigator makes better than a skeptic one though...

Throughout this thread I did exactly what you are saying. Even before this thread I tried things. I hacked up a Bible with a chainsaw. ( long story ) Now, you are also saying " one must believe ".....This is why I know some of the claims are psychological. The rest, I will say again, are liars, have a medical condition, or misinterpeted things.

The problem is when you act (and have said before) that you know the paranormal doesn't exist. Because you don't. You believe it doesn't. And it's not blind faith, just as most of the people who disagree with you don't have blind faith. They, and you, chose a different opinion based on the information they've collected and chosen to give credence to. Why do you make them sound like imbeciles when your opinion is no more proven than theirs? Because you tried what people suggested here in minor detail in passing and didn't have anything happen? What proof. No, this is a c*** waving contest. It's so arrogant.

You should do a scientific test now. Go outside tonight and toss a rock out into the street. Wait to hear the sound of it hitting a duck. If you don't hear any duck being hit, it's safe to assume ducks don't exist, right?

Wait, it does exist. In peoples minds.

I know it does not exist as in a real physical thing.

If I do not hear a duck getting hit, I would go about 1/4 of a mile to Floras lake and feed them.....I do not live near a road.

And, this is / was not a c*** waving contest. I have no need for that. It is explained why I made this thread numerous times. I would LOVE more then anything to experience what people claim, I truly would. Even a damned Demon.

As soon as I'm rich I'll higher you to take me around the world and be my fishing guide. but I'm afraid you might scare all the spirits away .

Sounds like a plan. My wife apprenticed under a executive chef, hire her as a personal chef, pay her enough, and I will not need to work. Then our fishing outings will be more as friends, and not as a job.....I think fishing would suck once it became a job.

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It is explained why I made this thread numerous times. I would LOVE more then anything to experience what people claim, I truly would. Even a damned Demon.

The problem I have with that statement is that we all have seen pages upon pages of your statements and replies showing otherwise. That stance might have been more believable if only reading page 1, but the true nature of your agenda (too strong a word, but best I could find) started to pan out reading more and more. You struggle with a self fulfilling desire we all do.

The need to be right.

But I tihnk it's safe at this point to drop the innocent 'I really want to see these things and just can't figure out how' angle, and come out with 'they don't exist and I'm trying to prove it here to show you that you are wrong'. People even marginally adept at reading between lines have already heard you say this upon most every reply to this thread anyway. Why keep up the facade?

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The problem I have with that statement is that we all have seen pages upon pages of your statements and replies showing otherwise. That stance might have been more believable if only reading page 1, but the true nature of your agenda (too strong a word, but best I could find) started to pan out reading more and more. You struggle with a self fulfilling desire we all do.

The need to be right.

But I tihnk it's safe at this point to drop the innocent 'I really want to see these things and just can't figure out how' angle, and come out with 'they don't exist and I'm trying to prove it here to show you that you are wrong'. People even marginally adept at reading between lines have already heard you say this upon most every reply to this thread anyway. Why keep up the facade?

I am doing both.

And I have no need to be right.....

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Pious fraud is one of the hardest things a skeptic has to deal with. This is a situation where someone invents a story or some other form of evidence in order to convince others of the truth of their beliefs.

There is no doubt in the person's mind of the truth, and it is important to them that others also believe. Hence there comes the fraud, not seen as a fraud but seen as a tool to save the other person from their disbelief. Over time the fraud can even become a firm memory.

What does a skeptic do when presented with this? Is the person lying? Well, yes and no, but asserting that it is all a lie achieves nothing, and sours the milk. Compassion demands that one try to be respectful, not mocking, even though the story may be inherently ridiculous. Indirectly and carefully educating the person about the compulsive nature of belief can help.

Asking questions designed to bring out the absurdity or incongruity or inconsistency of the story must be done carefully Usually it is best to just bypass the story and take on the belief itself more directly, planting seeds of doubt.

We are not entitled to have beliefs. We are finite beings who are not capable of "knowing" anything with certitude. We are only entitled to opinions -- opinions we may have with more or less but never complete certainty.

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