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How do I invite evil spirits to my home?

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Sakari, it would be an evil act for someone to post how to bring evil spirits in your life. Why don't you pray to God for some sort of revelation. He does answer prayers, this I know.

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Skater boy said:

"I do wonder what would happen if somebody who had experienced something were to undertake a lie detector test and have a psychological evaluation and shock horror... they're not a liar nor are they mentally unstable. Where does that leave us then, skeptics? Something unconscious? Yes, I think so. Some of you will jump on any conclusion you can without considering that you just might be wrong. I think some believers are a lot more rational than some of the skeptics."

This where we get side tracked, just because someone passes a lie detector test and isn't insane does not = proof of something otherworldly going on. How do I know? I've taken and passed a REAL lie detector test....telling the tester I was Luke Skywalker son of Vader...they are a nice tool to assist investigations, but are FAR from fool proof.

Skeptics aren't these big evil non-believers you try to make us out to be. It's just the claims made in numerous sections of these forums are VERY amazing, and it's natural for thoughtful/inquisitive minds to want to ask questions and "see" some of the evidence to support these claims.

I be willing to bet that EVERY "skeptic" who frequents these and other similar forums would LOVE to one day log in for their daily forums browzing and see "boom!" a thread/topic that had irrefutable proof of anything paranormal, be it ghost, alien, nessie whatever. (Well maybe not Hazzard :w00t: )

Also, while Sakari maybe skeptical, he is abit more like me in that, he has seen/experienced some things that he can quite dismiss with a mundane explanation, hence his interest is experiencing more.

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Offtopic, what ever happen to that guy sakari with that cell picture of that women taking a photo of her son with a ghost app picture in it?

Not sure I remember that, so many to be honest....By chance, did you read the " Bizarre Statue " thread?

Sakari, it would be an evil act for someone to post how to bring evil spirits in your life. Why don't you pray to God for some sort of revelation. He does answer prayers, this I know.

No God as of yet has answered any of my prayers.

I be willing to bet that EVERY "skeptic" who frequents these and other similar forums would LOVE to one day log in for their daily forums browzing and see "boom!" a thread/topic that had irrefutable proof of anything paranormal, be it ghost, alien, nessie whatever. (Well maybe not Hazzard :w00t: )

Also, while Sakari maybe skeptical, he is abit more like me in that, he has seen/experienced some things that he can quite dismiss with a mundane explanation, hence his interest is experiencing more.

Both are very accurate. :tu:

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Skeptics aren't these big evil non-believers you try to make us out to be.

But people that repeatedly say that they know whatever thing doesn't exist (without actually knowing) is a complete non believer. His non belief goes to 11.

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Here are more thoughts:

1. IMO, evil Spirits place a pretty high value on their non-existance.

2. Evil Spirits can hurt you by proxy, evil spirits place bad thoughts into people's heads. And because of this, evil spirits can cause calamity and chaos. Evil spirits can use your boss, your bank, the government, your family, your neighbor, your customers, etc. It may sound abit of a stretch to the sceptic, but I believe evil spirits can rewire these things to specifically target you. That the whole world suddenly is having a p***er over Sakari it is because the evil spirits are putting these messages into their hearts and they are obeying these messages (or demonic impulses). It is through these trials that one needs to look up to God and pray.

I know it probably sounds incredible to some but oh well.

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Skater boy said:

"I do wonder what would happen if somebody who had experienced something were to undertake a lie detector test and have a psychological evaluation and shock horror... they're not a liar nor are they mentally unstable. Where does that leave us then, skeptics? Something unconscious? Yes, I think so. Some of you will jump on any conclusion you can without considering that you just might be wrong. I think some believers are a lot more rational than some of the skeptics."

This where we get side tracked, just because someone passes a lie detector test and isn't insane does not = proof of something otherworldly going on. How do I know? I've taken and passed a REAL lie detector test....telling the tester I was Luke Skywalker son of Vader...they are a nice tool to assist investigations, but are FAR from fool proof.

Skeptics aren't these big evil non-believers you try to make us out to be. It's just the claims made in numerous sections of these forums are VERY amazing, and it's natural for thoughtful/inquisitive minds to want to ask questions and "see" some of the evidence to support these claims.

I be willing to bet that EVERY "skeptic" who frequents these and other similar forums would LOVE to one day log in for their daily forums browzing and see "boom!" a thread/topic that had irrefutable proof of anything paranormal, be it ghost, alien, nessie whatever. (Well maybe not Hazzard :w00t: )

Also, while Sakari maybe skeptical, he is abit more like me in that, he has seen/experienced some things that he can quite dismiss with a mundane explanation, hence his interest is experiencing more.

And that will never happen. With video/photo footage, there will always be claims of something fishy going on. I'm not saying there isn't fraud out there, quite a bit, but we both know anything that gets posted will be dismissed off the bat, no matter if they can't explain what's going on. Hence I tell people to go out there and investigate in person because looking for evidence on the Internet is never going to satisfy you.

If Sakari or yourself has had experiences, it's news to me, I don't read everything on the forum. I'll be sure to look out to read them. And if I do, maybe I should ridicule, talk down to, call a liar and suggest mental illness since that's all I see around these forums. Skepticism is one thing, ridicule and instant dismissal is another.

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I personally haven't posted my experience on the forum. So you won't find that. And I don't expect direct proof to come to the forum, more like someone posting about proof they obtained and shared with people/institutions in their "real" lives and then cool links or updates to the articles or interviews about said proof.

And believe it or not, the source plays alot into believabiltiy (not sure if that's even a word) for example, if (this will get a chuckle) Hazzard started a thread like "Zomg I was wrong...ghosts are real" and included some very clear pictures of ghosts and the uploaded pics passed initial scrutiny, I would be super excited and waiting to hear more.

I actually, after all these years, still pretty much look at each and every photo or "evp" linked or posted here, honestly hoping it will be a "good one" but sadly it never really is.

But I will keep checking, because contrary to what you may think, I really want to believe, but I can't just make myself look past basic information or worldly explanations to satisfy that desire.

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Oh, and you seem super serial angry SakterBoy, not sure if that is how you intend to come across, so just a heads-up.

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If you want an example of why we need our skeptics - look into the thread about statue thingy that moves, I almost bought in to that one, the guy actually tried to recruit one of our resident skeptics to say "yup this is realz" and the hoaxer actually posted the statue on ebay.

Thanks to the skeptic, this charlatan was exposed and he saved some very strong believers a good bit of money and embarassment.

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I personally haven't posted my experience on the forum. So you won't find that. And I don't expect direct proof to come to the forum, more like someone posting about proof they obtained and shared with people/institutions in their "real" lives and then cool links or updates to the articles or interviews about said proof.

And believe it or not, the source plays alot into believabiltiy (not sure if that's even a word) for example, if (this will get a chuckle) Hazzard started a thread like "Zomg I was wrong...ghosts are real" and included some very clear pictures of ghosts and the uploaded pics passed initial scrutiny, I would be super excited and waiting to hear more.

I actually, after all these years, still pretty much look at each and every photo or "evp" linked or posted here, honestly hoping it will be a "good one" but sadly it never really is.

But I will keep checking, because contrary to what you may think, I really want to believe, but I can't just make myself look past basic information or worldly explanations to satisfy that desire.

Just go ahead and post your experience, briefly, or why should anyone believe you ever had one? Maybe it will seem like you are telling the truth...

And the science has barely proven the existence of Psi phenomena so far, so don't hold your breath waiting for it to catch up with extreme experience like direct demonic attack etc.

Science and Psychic Phenomena: The Fall of the House of Skeptics: Chris Carter, Rupert Sheldrake: 9781594774515: Amazon.com: Books

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My experience would hardly qualify as something of interest compared to the amount of very wicked accounts found here. The only reason it is was significant to me, is I'm still not sure exactly "what" I experienced.

That and it peeked my interest in the various fields of "paranormal research" but sadly as I started reading more and more information (even before the internets!) I came the to the sad realization that there isn't too much actual scientific research going on.

Honestly, even as a skeptic, I wish the scientific community was abit less dismissive of the subject, and would atleast do a bit more serious research. But, it's hard to push for this as the current lack of evidence or repeatable events really doesn't support the number of claims out there.

Getting back on topic, over the years numerous posters have talked about summoning spirits and tons of threads with very solemn and well intentioned posters giving stern warnings to those about to play Ouija (milton-Bradely TM) you would think someone could "help" Sakari in this endeavor.

I do like this new line of demon apologists who are saying... "demons are super serial patient and they will mess your life up gradually through awful events...like cancer...car crashes etc etc."

That's awesome, are those demons also responsible when we win the lotto and get a free cheeseburger from the side of our McDonald's cup? Stuff happens, alot of it bad, trying to tie that to playing ouiija or some such is pretty weak.

And the demons don't want to be found out, they need to be sneaky while subverting us. That makes some sense honestly, very much the classic fictional MO of demons, corrupt from the behind the scenes, like in Terry Brooks Void & the Word series.

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That and it peeked my interest in the various fields of "paranormal research" but sadly as I started reading more and more information (even before the internets!) I came the to the sad realization that there isn't too much actual scientific research going on.

That's why I thought you might like the book linked above (from a review):

"Initially, carter takes the reader through the history of parapsychology, then discusses the experiments of J. B. Rhine, who moved the field into the laboratory. Rhine developed the methods still used today for statistical investigation of psi phenomenon. By 1940 ~1 million card guessing trials had been done using his card-guessing methods, with statistically significant results shown in 27 of the 33 published experiments...

...Carter then goes on to discuss the skeptics. They form the only international political lobbying group seeking to shut down scientific investigation of a field. Their organization is called CSICOP (The Committee for the Scientific Investigation of the Paranormal), and their publication is The Skeptical Inquirer. While they bill their publication as the only outlet for scientific evaluation of paranormal claims, it is anything but scientific. Skeptic Elizabeth Mayer describes it this way:

Reading The Skeptical Inquirer was like reading a fundamentalist religious tract. I found the journal dismayingly snide, regularly punctuated by sarcasm, self-congratulation, and nastiness, all parading as reverence for true science..."

Etc. etc. etc. it was like that back in the days of Blavatsky and beyond, but now the proof is available. It was good to read that the tables have turned (pun intended).

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I do like this new line of demon apologists who are saying... "demons are super serial patient and they will mess your life up gradually through awful events...like cancer...car crashes etc etc."

That's awesome, are those demons also responsible when we win the lotto and get a free cheeseburger from the side of our McDonald's cup? Stuff happens, alot of it bad, trying to tie that to playing ouiija or some such is pretty weak.

And the demons don't want to be found out, they need to be sneaky while subverting us. That makes some sense honestly, very much the classic fictional MO of demons, corrupt from the behind the scenes, like in Terry Brooks Void & the Word series.

It is because demons are testing and challenging believer's faith. It is all about discerning and identifying the Enemy and all of his attacks. Where sceptics see the ordinary and mundane, believers identify spiritual beneath its veneer.

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If Sakari or yourself has had experiences, it's news to me, I don't read everything on the forum. I'll be sure to look out to read them. And if I do, maybe I should ridicule, talk down to, call a liar and suggest mental illness since that's all I see around these forums. Skepticism is one thing, ridicule and instant dismissal is another.

http://www.unexplain...pic=203763&st=0

There you go, feel free to ridicule all you want. I am not the type to try to convince anyone of my experiences being real or not. I do not care if people believe it or not. I am not seeking attention.

If you want an example of why we need our skeptics - look into the thread about statue thingy that moves, I almost bought in to that one, the guy actually tried to recruit one of our resident skeptics to say "yup this is realz" and the hoaxer actually posted the statue on ebay.

Thanks to the skeptic, this charlatan was exposed and he saved some very strong believers a good bit of money and embarassment.

Here is the bizarre statue thread....I highly suggest you read it. I ( the bad skeptic ) could have made $5,000.00 with this guy. Thing is, I have respect for others. You might enjoy how some hated me for being a skeptic, and how at the end, when I reveal the truth, after scamming the scammer, they did not bother to say thank you......

God read......And, your welcome.

Here is a little teaser from the thread....Link is below that.

Everyone better thank Sakari for taking the time to expose a Pathetic Fraud on our site, trying to sucker people into this.

Sakari gave up making money with this amature scam artist too, just to have this thread Come Clean basically.

Thanks Sakari :tu: As he's shown, sometimes it pays (or almost does), to be skeptical of things. Otherwise, who would know how long this guys little charade would be going on, trying to take advantage of our site and members.

http://www.unexplain...pic=189044&st=0

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Oh yes, that was great, good job!

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Well, this sceptic's thread does not impress me at all. An internet forum ISO is all it is.

A) And given the fact, I am not entirely sure anyone is capable of reproducing their experiences onto another person.

B) And if there are individuals that can invoke demons, well, they are probably part of a secret society and may have no interest at all in the UM forum. Otherwise, perhaps they would have given a thread like this a shot already. Or they simply would not ever consider it for the dangers it may pose and/or they do not want to squander privilages, blessings, and the ability to have abit more additional control over their lives.

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@ B Jenkins, I see what your saying, and kind of agree, if someone truly does possess such power they probably aren't volunteering their service to Sakarai via interwebs, so point taken. However, if you have been a forum resident here for any length of time, you have probably seen the countless threads about people "summonin spirits" "calling and recording ghosts" and of course my favorite, "warning those without proper skillz who try to summon spirits" via ouija game boards.

Also, in case you missed it Sakari, thanks again for exposing that fraud, and other contributions you have made here. :clap: I'm not gonna lie, even though most folks think I'm one of the "typical" resident skeptics, I'm not NEARLY as smart as the "real" skeptics here, and I was really close to belief during the early-mid part of that thread with the statue.

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What if the negative placebo was so massive that you could actually summon a demon if you exercised yourself to that extent? I'd imagine you'd have to twist your will and mind in a very lovecraftian fashion... the rarely-talked about phenomena Tulpa sounded very much like this, mental projection that came more and more real the more you kept projecting it. And to project it, you need to believe stronger and stronger, because that's the basis of placebo. Believe as in observe it to be true, real, the same thing as your next door lady walking her dog, and strengthen that belief. It's really hard to find proper words for it to people with completely different mindsets, and I dont even know if that'd work, but doesn't that sound just logical?

edit: and I believe it's not about how strongly you believe, but what kind of belief you have, the quality of your belief, veeeeeery much so. Because I've found that we can have very different methods and levels of believing, veeery much so. I think the most effort should be made in getting to terms with your natural tendencies in the way you form a blind faith in things, getting into more natural, deeper and sincere levels there, and seeking the strength of belief through there.. not with a lazy mind, but one that probes and seeks to observe what it does not know.

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@ B Jenkins, I see what your saying, and kind of agree, if someone truly does possess such power they probably aren't volunteering their service to Sakarai via interwebs, so point taken. However, if you have been a forum resident here for any length of time, you have probably seen the countless threads about people "summonin spirits" "calling and recording ghosts" and of course my favorite, "warning those without proper skillz who try to summon spirits" via ouija ™ game boards.

Also, in case you missed it Sakari, thanks again for exposing that fraud, and other contributions you have made here. :clap: I'm not gonna lie, even though most folks think I'm one of the "typical" resident skeptics, I'm not NEARLY as smart as the "real" skeptics here, and I was really close to belief during the early-mid part of that thread with the statue.

My personal favorite was " The Demon Hunter ".....Can not really go into specifics, not sure if you remember that. It was a animl planet show, and the " star " of the show came here and made a topic......Long story short, the frauds were again exposed, A link to Discovery Channels Head Ofiices was posted on a few sites, and the show never got another episode.

The thread was closed unfortunatley.

Although, the outcome was awesome.

That is something I am very proud of.

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@ B Jenkins, I see what your saying, and kind of agree, if someone truly does possess such power they probably aren't volunteering their service to Sakarai via interwebs, so point taken. However, if you have been a forum resident here for any length of time, you have probably seen the countless threads about people "summonin spirits" "calling and recording ghosts" and of course my favorite, "warning those without proper skillz who try to summon spirits" via ouija ™ game boards.

Also, in case you missed it Sakari, thanks again for exposing that fraud, and other contributions you have made here. :clap: I'm not gonna lie, even though most folks think I'm one of the "typical" resident skeptics, I'm not NEARLY as smart as the "real" skeptics here, and I was really close to belief during the early-mid part of that thread with the statue.

Most skeptics are not smart at all, at least on this forum. Don't need brains to ridicule someone.

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Most skeptics are not smart at all, at least on this forum. Don't need brains to ridicule someone.

Considering this statement and how many ridiculing statements you have made on this forum.. I guess that would mean you have very little brains indeed. Instead of giving an intelligent argument, or adding information to the thread, you chose to ridicule every skeptic on UM- and not just the people in this thread. Most sections in UM have skeptics, and you just ridiculed them all. Perhaps including people who you haven't even read a single comment on yet. You are on this forum, being skeptical of and ridiculing, so that would mean you aren't smart at all either.

I know you are a total newbie to UM. Perhaps it would be wise to read up a bit on what is here before you cast judgement on a whole lot of folks that are quite intelligent, and have gained and given tons of knowledge over years on UM. Perhaps in a few years, you will have a better understanding of the difference between a skeptic and a person who ridicules. Though goodness, your commentary of 21 days is a sad indication of what your commentary will be with a couple years experience, if you survive and bother to stick around that long.

I'm just making this as a statement to you boy. If you choose to reply to it or quote it, please know I will not respond since it derails the thread even further. If you have a problem with my statement, please contact me via PM and I will be more than happy to discuss it. Or report me to the mods and we can go from there too.

Yep mods, please snip that whole bit and give me a dressing down if I wandered to far into breaking rules land. I know darn well I'm being improper.

Now, back to the thread.... Do you have any useful information to add boy? Perhaps something you have tried to raise spirits that you can give a personal account on? Or something that has been suggested in this thread that you tried and in your experience does not work?

And note to Sakari... Got a couple more tidbits for you to try out if you like. More folklore than anything else...

A couple things to help your fishing. Who knows, maybe you could get a recordable result, as in more fish than normal caught. :)

You could try using wish paper- Make your wish on the paper for more fish, and meditate on it about getting more fish. Then toss the paper into the water with the notion in mind that it will attract more fish. Some tales call for tossing the paper, some call for burning it to ash and scattering the ashes.

Try stringing up a small windchime or bells in your favorite fishing spot- it's supposed to attract the lucky spirits of the woods, and they might be kind enough to tickle fish in your direction. Casting fresh bread or blossoms into the water is purported to be helpful as well. On a really gross note, try casting your fish guts to the water for luck- though I think if you get more fish, it might be more to bait factor rather than spooky factor.

You could try "communing" with a totem animal noted for being good fishers. Supposed to be able to help you with your fishing luck. I'm really not sure how one is supposed to go about doing this.

And this was a weird one passed along to me by a friend, has nothing to do with fish. Fill the bathtub for a nice hot soak with the door closed so your bathroom steams up, and while you are doing so, "bless" the water. This is supposed to encourage the spirits to dance in the steam of your bathroom. I think they are supposed to be cleaning themselves, though my friend was really not making any sense about that part. From what they said, this is supposed to work in a sauna or sweat lodge, the kind where you have to pour water on rocks rather than piped steam- you bless the water, and invite the spirits to dance with every splash on the rocks. It does not work with a shower because all the water keeps running and flowing away, apparently that is not working for the blessed water stuff.

I searched this thread and it didn't come up, though I might have mentioned it and I'm just not searching correctly. But maybe try a dumb supper. On particular days when the veil is thin or critters are traveling, they are purported to be attracted by dumb suppers. Basically putting out food for spooky folks to feast on. Heh, if you do it outside for the wee folk, you might not catch anything spooky, but you might see some wonderful wildlife action.

Another weird one, from a neighbor... They swear that if you don't dispose of a horse properly, the horses ghost will come back. They say that if your horse dies or has to be put down, bury it. If you try to compost it, it will stick around. Really, apparently some folks put their horse corpses into huge manure piles on the back 40 to rot away, and purportedly those places get more weird in the barns and stables than folks that bury. So, depending on how much horse action you got going on by you.. perhaps that could be a lead. I'm not suggesting you do anything to horses, but if you got neighbors that do such a thing..

Edit: spelling error

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Considering this statement and how many ridiculing statements you have made on this forum.. I guess that would mean you have very little brains indeed. Instead of giving an intelligent argument, or adding information to the thread, you chose to ridicule every skeptic on UM- and not just the people in this thread. Most sections in UM have skeptics, and you just ridiculed them all. Perhaps including people who you haven't even read a single comment on yet. You are on this forum, being skeptical of and ridiculing, so that would mean you aren't smart at all either.

I know you are a total newbie to UM. Perhaps it would be wise to read up a bit on what is here before you cast judgement on a whole lot of folks that are quite intelligent, and have gained and given tons of knowledge over years on UM. Perhaps in a few years, you will have a better understanding of the difference between a skeptic and a person who ridicules. Though goodness, your commentary of 21 days is a sad indication of what your commentary will be with a couple years experience, if you survive and bother to stick around that long.

I'm just making this as a statement to you boy. If you choose to reply to it or quote it, please know I will not respond since it derails the thread even further. If you have a problem with my statement, please contact me via PM and I will be more than happy to discuss it. Or report me to the mods and we can go from there too.

Yep mods, please snip that whole bit and give me a dressing down if I wandered to far into breaking rules land. I know darn well I'm being improper.

Now, back to the thread.... Do you have any useful information to add boy? Perhaps something you have tried to raise spirits that you can give a personal account on? Or something that has been suggested in this thread that you tried and in your experience does not work?

Oh I see how it is, it's perfectly reasonable for "believers" on this forum to be ridiculed and spoken down to but one comment about the "skeptics" and we've ruffled one too many feathers, sounds about right :tu: I've actually added plenty of perfectly good input to this thread, perhaps it's too much effort to go back and read it. Given out some good advice too for any true skeptics who really want to investigate this field, too, and I'm talking about the real skeptics who I have no problem with, not those who claim to be skeptic and enjoy nothing more than to berate others on the forum. Can't say I have much more to add other than what I've already said, which would be to stop expecting evidence to fall into your lap on the interwebs. Get off your ass and work for what you want. I certainly don't "raise spirits" and if you had read anything I've said in any threads, which you suggest you have, you'd already know this. Sure, I have a great wealth of experiences under my belt but I'm no expert on the matter of "inviting evil spirits" into my home. I wouldn't be so arrogant to think I could even try.

Lastly, I am not your "boy", sweetheart. Good day :)

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Considering this statement and how many ridiculing statements you have made on this forum.. I guess that would mean you have very little brains indeed.

You should have stopped there, as you are wrong in that assumption, and are just continuing a cycle of wrongs trying to be right: calling each other unintelligent for differing opinions, and arguing from hurt feelings and/or pride.

And it seems all of your suggestions to induct something are all just multiple ways to hone one powerful tool: intent, which is something I have trouble believing Sakari is willing to honestly use to get down and do a little TCB (taking care of business) here. He has claimed to have intent in experiencing something paranormal firsthand, but then talks highly about the times he proved something wasn't paranormal, and says this is the dual purpose of his thread. Two contrasting intents don't work. Therefore, how can anyone believe he wants to truly experience something for himself, while also trying to show it doesn't exist? For this reason, none of your suggestions would be of any worth, but they were interesting ones that I believe can probably work if done honestly. He has a belief that these things don't exist in the way he perceives other people talking about them. He has to honestly, and most likely subconsciously, suspend that to gain any true intent otherwise. Good luck with that.

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You should have stopped there, as you are wrong in that assumption, and are just continuing a cycle of wrongs trying to be right: calling each other unintelligent for differing opinions, and arguing from hurt feelings and/or pride.

And it seems all of your suggestions to induct something are all just multiple ways to hone one powerful tool: intent, which is something I have trouble believing Sakari is willing to honestly use to get down and do a little TCB (taking care of business) here. He has claimed to have intent in experiencing something paranormal firsthand, but then talks highly about the times he proved something wasn't paranormal, and says this is the dual purpose of his thread. Two contrasting intents don't work. Therefore, how can anyone believe he wants to truly experience something for himself, while also trying to show it doesn't exist? For this reason, none of your suggestions would be of any worth, but they were interesting ones that I believe can probably work if done honestly. He has a belief that these things don't exist in the way he perceives other people talking about them. He has to honestly, and most likely subconsciously, suspend that to gain any true intent otherwise. Good luck with that.

Well, either people will believe that I am a honest person, and do want to experience these things.

Or, they can think I am lying, and want nothing to do with them at all.

You, as anyone has their right to a opinion. And really, I could care less what side of the fence you are on.

For the bold.....I know they do not exist in the way others claim them to. I also know they can not be summoned, nor can they be scared away with a circle of salt, or burning sage, because they only exist in ones mind.

You are saying I need to " believe ", only using other words.

None of that matters, as said, I can care less if people " believe " I am honest or not.....Not like I am claiming a supernatural power, or being able to talk to ghosts. I have just tried to invite them to my home. Not really that big of a claim if you ask me, anyone can try it for themselves.

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