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How do I invite evil spirits to my home?

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Well, either people will believe that I am a honest person, and do want to experience these things.

Or, they can think I am lying, and want nothing to do with them at all.

You, as anyone has their right to a opinion. And really, I could care less what side of the fence you are on.

For the bold.....I know they do not exist in the way others claim them to. I also know they can not be summoned, nor can they be scared away with a circle of salt, or burning sage, because they only exist in ones mind.

You are saying I need to " believe ", only using other words.

None of that matters, as said, I can care less if people " believe " I am honest or not.....Not like I am claiming a supernatural power, or being able to talk to ghosts. I have just tried to invite them to my home. Not really that big of a claim if you ask me, anyone can try it for themselves.

No, you don't.

There you go with the ridicule again.

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No, you don't.

There you go with the ridicule again.

No ridicule there at all. I made a reply. If I were to ridicule, you, and everyone would know it, as I do not sugar coat anything.

Notice, I did not reply to your post ridiculing " skeptics" earlier. That was a good example of the word " ridicule ". ( and that is pointing something out, not ridiculing )

I have better things to do then explain ridiculing, and explaining very clear posts to people that read into them. I would say sorrry if you felt my reply was bad, but I am not. I posted to another members quote, not yours. If I had anything to say to any of your replies, I would have quoted them

This topic is not about " whom ridicules whom, and how do we decipher replies ".....It is titled " How do I invite evil spirits to my home ".

Hope you are having a great weekend...... :tu:

You can PM me anytime you want, as you know I do not reply to those any different then I do here. That way, the threads do not get off track also.

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And note to Sakari... Got a couple more tidbits for you to try out if you like. More folklore than anything else...

A couple things to help your fishing. Who knows, maybe you could get a recordable result, as in more fish than normal caught. :)

You could try using wish paper- Make your wish on the paper for more fish, and meditate on it about getting more fish. Then toss the paper into the water with the notion in mind that it will attract more fish. Some tales call for tossing the paper, some call for burning it to ash and scattering the ashes.

Try stringing up a small windchime or bells in your favorite fishing spot- it's supposed to attract the lucky spirits of the woods, and they might be kind enough to tickle fish in your direction. Casting fresh bread or blossoms into the water is purported to be helpful as well. On a really gross note, try casting your fish guts to the water for luck- though I think if you get more fish, it might be more to bait factor rather than spooky factor.

You could try "communing" with a totem animal noted for being good fishers. Supposed to be able to help you with your fishing luck. I'm really not sure how one is supposed to go about doing this.

And this was a weird one passed along to me by a friend, has nothing to do with fish. Fill the bathtub for a nice hot soak with the door closed so your bathroom steams up, and while you are doing so, "bless" the water. This is supposed to encourage the spirits to dance in the steam of your bathroom. I think they are supposed to be cleaning themselves, though my friend was really not making any sense about that part. From what they said, this is supposed to work in a sauna or sweat lodge, the kind where you have to pour water on rocks rather than piped steam- you bless the water, and invite the spirits to dance with every splash on the rocks. It does not work with a shower because all the water keeps running and flowing away, apparently that is not working for the blessed water stuff.

I searched this thread and it didn't come up, though I might have mentioned it and I'm just not searching correctly. But maybe try a dumb supper. On particular days when the veil is thin or critters are traveling, they are purported to be attracted by dumb suppers. Basically putting out food for spooky folks to feast on. Heh, if you do it outside for the wee folk, you might not catch anything spooky, but you might see some wonderful wildlife action.

Another weird one, from a neighbor... They swear that if you don't dispose of a horse properly, the horses ghost will come back. They say that if your horse dies or has to be put down, bury it. If you try to compost it, it will stick around. Really, apparently some folks put their horse corpses into huge manure piles on the back 40 to rot away, and purportedly those places get more weird in the barns and stables than folks that bury. So, depending on how much horse action you got going on by you.. perhaps that could be a lead. I'm not suggesting you do anything to horses, but if you got neighbors that do such a thing..

Edit: spelling error

I will try anything to catch more fish! .....Springers in May, and Kings in October......Will be ash though, I could not live with myself throwing litter into a prestine river. ( any river or place for that matter )

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"No ridicule there at all."

I disagree. Very few people go around claiming to have "supernatural powers" or that they "talk to ghosts" (and I certainly haven't). That's your way of trying to mock people who do have experiences with your typical "I know better than you, you nutcase" attitude.

"Notice, I did not reply to your post ridiculing " skeptics" earlier. That was a good example of the word " ridicule "."

I disagree again, merely my observation of some "skeptics" on this forum, yourself and rashore included.

"I have better things to do then explain ridiculing, and explaining very clear posts to people that read into them. I would say sorrry if you felt my reply was bad, but I am not. I posted to another members quote, not yours. If I had anything to say to any of your replies, I would have quoted them"

Fortunately, I'm already aware of the meaning of ridicule, so there's no need anyway. Rest assured I also have better things to do than to sit and spend ridiculous amounts of time reading into your posts, it looks like I'm not the only one who interprets them this way. Please do direct me to the rules of the forum that states I am not allowed to post in a topic if I am not directly quoted or spoken to. I wasn't aware that I wasn't allowed to post if this was not in place.

"This topic is not about " whom ridicules whom, and how do we decipher replies ".....It is titled " How do I invite evil spirits to my home "."

Call it what you like, this thread was made to ridicule people who have genuine experiences and I'm evidently not the only one who reads it that way. I'm flabbergasted a mod hasn't deleted it or locked it. Mind you, I've seen much less subtle ridicule around here and apparently it's welcome.

"Hope you are having a great weekend......"

It's been cosmic thus far, thanks!

"You can PM me anytime you want, as you know I do not reply to those any different then I do here. That way, the threads do not get off track also."

Not sure why I keep getting invited to private conversations. I wouldn't say anything, or to anyone, that I wouldn't publicly. You should note I haven't knocked your thread off track, you claimed you know these spirits don't exist, I disagreed that you know anything. I'm surprised rashore's ridiculous post isn't labeled as off topic but mine is. Well, not really.

Did you undertake any of my suggestions yet? Don't worry, that's a rhetorical question, I already know the answer.

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I'm not going to read 139 pages, but all I can say is why the hell would you want "evil" spirits in your home.

Sounds really crazy to me, no offense.

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This thread should just die. I find it hard to believe its still going . Just my two sense .

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"No ridicule there at all."

I disagree. Very few people go around claiming to have "supernatural powers" or that they "talk to ghosts" (and I certainly haven't). That's your way of trying to mock people who do have experiences with your typical "I know better than you, you nutcase" attitude.

"Notice, I did not reply to your post ridiculing " skeptics" earlier. That was a good example of the word " ridicule "."

I disagree again, merely my observation of some "skeptics" on this forum, yourself and rashore included.

"I have better things to do then explain ridiculing, and explaining very clear posts to people that read into them. I would say sorrry if you felt my reply was bad, but I am not. I posted to another members quote, not yours. If I had anything to say to any of your replies, I would have quoted them"

Fortunately, I'm already aware of the meaning of ridicule, so there's no need anyway. Rest assured I also have better things to do than to sit and spend ridiculous amounts of time reading into your posts, it looks like I'm not the only one who interprets them this way. Please do direct me to the rules of the forum that states I am not allowed to post in a topic if I am not directly quoted or spoken to. I wasn't aware that I wasn't allowed to post if this was not in place.

"This topic is not about " whom ridicules whom, and how do we decipher replies ".....It is titled " How do I invite evil spirits to my home "."

Call it what you like, this thread was made to ridicule people who have genuine experiences and I'm evidently not the only one who reads it that way. I'm flabbergasted a mod hasn't deleted it or locked it. Mind you, I've seen much less subtle ridicule around here and apparently it's welcome.

"Hope you are having a great weekend......"

It's been cosmic thus far, thanks!

"You can PM me anytime you want, as you know I do not reply to those any different then I do here. That way, the threads do not get off track also."

Not sure why I keep getting invited to private conversations. I wouldn't say anything, or to anyone, that I wouldn't publicly. You should note I haven't knocked your thread off track, you claimed you know these spirits don't exist, I disagreed that you know anything. I'm surprised rashore's ridiculous post isn't labeled as off topic but mine is. Well, not really.

Did you undertake any of my suggestions yet? Don't worry, that's a rhetorical question, I already know the answer.

All I can say is everyone has a right to their opinion.

I can also assure you, I did not make this thread to ridicule anyone, I made it ( it has been explained numerous times ) because of all of the claims ( and they still keep coming ) of people claiming to have these things, and people telling them how to get rid of them.

I have NO issues with anyone stating " I believe this to be "........I have issues with people claiming their belief is fact, and stating they " know " things. Yet, when asked to give some evidence, they can not do it.

I especially have issues when people ask for legitimate answers to issues they have. They can ( and many times have ) been medical issues, that some people try to convince them that it is " paranormal "......This is my biggest thing that bothers me.

Anyway, I can only give you my word that I mean no ridicule to anyone on this topic, I have been blunt, and I have looked for evidence, from the " pros "....I have only asked for proof that I can find, and report out from claiments...

As for others conversations with you, I stay out of those. You can use the report button, as anyone can. I have had more then my share of wasted arguments here at UM, and have no desire to get involved in others.

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This thread should just die. I find it hard to believe its still going . Just my two sense .

As I stated a bunch of pages back, I am done with it. I am not trying anything else. ( unless someone can guarantee me reportable, verifiable, results )...

If people would not reply to this topic, it would get buried.

If people do reply, especially with a question, I will answer out of respect.

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All I can say is everyone has a right to their opinion.

I can also assure you, I did not make this thread to ridicule anyone, I made it ( it has been explained numerous times ) because of all of the claims ( and they still keep coming ) of people claiming to have these things, and people telling them how to get rid of them.

I have NO issues with anyone stating " I believe this to be "........I have issues with people claiming their belief is fact, and stating they " know " things. Yet, when asked to give some evidence, they can not do it.

I especially have issues when people ask for legitimate answers to issues they have. They can ( and many times have ) been medical issues, that some people try to convince them that it is " paranormal "......This is my biggest thing that bothers me.

Anyway, I can only give you my word that I mean no ridicule to anyone on this topic, I have been blunt, and I have looked for evidence, from the " pros "....I have only asked for proof that I can find, and report out from claiments...

As for others conversations with you, I stay out of those. You can use the report button, as anyone can. I have had more then my share of wasted arguments here at UM, and have no desire to get involved in others.

It's interesting that you have a problem with people "knowing" the truth about this subject when you, mere posts ago, claimed youknow the truth. You certainly didn't express it as a belief...

If you've ever followed posts I make, you'll find that I'll go down the rational and medical routes, especially if things aren't adding up on my end, but for as many times as there has been a rational or medical explanation, there's also been a number of times it hasn't and that something paranormal has been occurring.

Are you STILL waiting for evidence on the Internet? Of course nobody can produce it on this forum, it's practically impossible, but there are genuine people out there experiencing genuine things - go out and investigate like a real skeptic, not a keyboard warrior. Given this advice to you a thousand times, it feels like, now.

As for reporting people to mods, heh, something tells me nothing would happen. Besides, we're presumably all adults and I don't need to run to a mod to slap somebody on the wrist, their ignorance is like water off of a ducks back.

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This thread should just die. I find it hard to believe its still going . Just my two sense .

I agree.

Mods, if appropriate can you jump-in and lock this incredibly BS thread?

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It's interesting that you have a problem with people "knowing" the truth about this subject when you, mere posts ago, claimed youknow the truth. You certainly didn't express it as a belief...

If you've ever followed posts I make, you'll find that I'll go down the rational and medical routes, especially if things aren't adding up on my end, but for as many times as there has been a rational or medical explanation, there's also been a number of times it hasn't and that something paranormal has been occurring.

Are you STILL waiting for evidence on the Internet? Of course nobody can produce it on this forum, it's practically impossible, but there are genuine people out there experiencing genuine things - go out and investigate like a real skeptic, not a keyboard warrior. Given this advice to you a thousand times, it feels like, now.

As for reporting people to mods, heh, something tells me nothing would happen. Besides, we're presumably all adults and I don't need to run to a mod to slap somebody on the wrist, their ignorance is like water off of a ducks back.

I do know on this topic, and some others. There are things I do not know. As for this topic, there has not ever been even a shred of verifiable evidence that these things exist. yet, there has been a ton of evidence to show what the claims are, and that is fact.

As for waiting for evidence on the internet.....

I have asked for ways to do this, and not doing this on the internet. Doing them myself.

As for going out, what topic are you refering to?

I can give you a butt load of places, and topics, I have covered on my own, not on the internet.

Google " Virginia City ". It has been on every ghost hunting show there is, I lived in Sparks, Nevada for over 40 years. I spent years if added up, in and about V.C, well before the internet, or paranormal TV shows " investigating " the ghost stories there. I was there enough to be a " local ", and while working at Pepsi also did some " investigating " to places that were on TV.

I need to note, while doing that, I did " believe ".......

I can assure you, reality, and stories are two different things. I was not alone doing this, there were about 5 of us, from age 16, to 30 ( meaning us five for 14 years ) that frequented V.C. , and other ghost towns, such as Bodie, California.

So, as for going out, I have plenty of that. More then many have a clue about.

Now, if you want to go on other things paranormal we can do that to, on another topic....But again, I have had my fill of that, and repeating my replies, that are the same as others would be a waste of time.

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I agree.

Mods, if appropriate can you jump-in and lock this incredibly BS thread?

I think a valid reason would need to be given to do that. This topic is obviously of interest. How many topics have gone on for over 3 years ( soon ) consistently?

If people can refrain from arguing ( and most have ), then why lock it?

If you think it is BS, then do not read it, and do not reply to it. People have come in numerous times, with valid replies, new members and old. Just because a few people get upset about the topic, does not mean a valid reason to lock it in my opinion.

If that were the case, I would be asking mods to lock a lot of topics that I felt are BS.

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Well, either people will believe that I am a honest person, and do want to experience these things.

Or, they can think I am lying, and want nothing to do with them at all.9

It's not about you.

You, as anyone has their right to a opinion. And really, I could care less what side of the fence you are on.

I'm not on a side. I only know enough to know I don't know enough.

.I know they do not exist in the way others claim them to. I also know they can not be summoned, nor can they be scared away with a circle of salt, or burning sage, because they only exist in ones mind.

Then this thread is a farce. And everything under, on, and outside the Sun is in one's mind. You're going to have to narrow that down a bit.

None of that matters, as said, I can care less if people " believe " I am honest or not.....Not like I am claiming a supernatural power, or being able to talk to ghosts. I have just tried to invite them to my home. Not really that big of a claim if you ask me, anyone can try it for themselves.

I just hope they don't have the intent to not experience anything, as the mind is a powerful tool in fulfilling one's own wishes.

'Please don't reply to this post "out of respect", if your respect will just be more defending of yourself and/or your thread. It is pointless, and that's why people are wanting this thread to die. Your posts are now mostly bragging of other threads where you achieved notoriety, or how popular and long running this one is with how many replies and pages it has. I have started to see what it's about here. I only keep replying because some things said in here bother me enough to give my two cents. I need to stop that.

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As for reporting people to mods, heh, something tells me nothing would happen. Besides, we're presumably all adults and I don't need to run to a mod to slap somebody on the wrist, their ignorance is like water off of a ducks back.

Actually, reporting objectionable content to the moderators is the mature response. And I assure you that those who do not follow UM rules do indeed face consequences (official warnings followed by suspension and in severe cases account banning).

As to this particular disagreement, seems to me to be a matter of opinion. Some people simply do not believe demons and such exist at all while others believe quite the opposite. I agree that no one is likely to be able to 'prove' anything on an internet forum, but there's no reason why discussion can't take place without resorting to personal ad hom remarks.

Do not make discussion personal. Discuss the subject at hand, not one another.

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Actually, reporting objectionable content to the moderators is the mature response. And I assure you that those who do not follow UM rules do indeed face consequences (official warnings followed by suspension and in severe cases account banning).

As to this particular disagreement, seems to me to be a matter of opinion. Some people simply do not believe demons and such exist at all while others believe quite the opposite. I agree that no one is likely to be able to 'prove' anything on an internet forum, but there's no reason why discussion can't take place without resorting to personal ad hom remarks.

Do not make discussion personal. Discuss the subject at hand, not one another.

I apologise if I was wrong about that, however I have seen one or two topics that have been solely created with the intent to mock the beliefs of others. One recent thread being about ghosts and the ridicule was all over the topic. It wasn't locked and as far as I know, nobody has been reprimanded for that. I can bet my bottom dollar if I made a topic mocking a belief, particularly say Islam, I'd be, rightfully so, dealt with pretty quickly. Seems a little lopsided to me.

As for this topic itself, I couldn't agree more that discussion isn't a bad thing. The problem I have with this thread is that it's not about discussion, it's got ridicule written all over it. The OP has made clear he has no interest in discussing this field, nor investigating it, he simply wants to shove his unfounded opinion down everybody's throats like it's fact. Let's look at the definition of discussion: The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.

Can you honestly say you see that in this thread from the OP? He has no interest in an exchange of ideas, all he has interest in is telling people to present him with evidence, of which you agree is not possible over the Internet, otherwise he talks down to them and has no intentions of taking the thread further. Doesn't sound like much of a discussion to me. I'm clearly not alone in wanting to see this thread locked and killed off, it's serving no purpose but as a tool to berate people, their beliefs and experiences - of which are unimportant, just because they didn't happen to the OP.

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I have a feeling skater that just want to stir the pot, not because you disagree with them just you want people to argue with you. Best example is that you agree with Simbi opinion on letting this topic die, yet you still posting on here, you just want to have the last word in.

Let this thread die skaterboy, let it fall to page ten or so.

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I have a feeling skater that just want to stir the pot, not because you disagree with them just you want people to argue with you. Best example is that you agree with Simbi opinion on letting this topic die, yet you still posting on here, you just want to have the last word in.

Let this thread die skaterboy, let it fall to page ten or so.

That will never happen. The OP won't allow it.

Do you see me arguing the points of this thread further? No, clearly I have lost interest in this thread and that would indicate I do want it to die, only a Mod is going to achieve that. It'd be rude of me not to respond and argue my case with the Mod so unless you have something to say about this topic - butt out.

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That will never happen. The OP won't allow it.

Do you see me arguing the points of this thread further? No, clearly I have lost interest in this thread and that would indicate I do want it to die, only a Mod is going to achieve that. It'd be rude of me not to respond and argue my case with the Mod so unless you have something to say about this topic - butt out.

Thanks for proving my point.

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I apologise if I was wrong about that, however I have seen one or two topics that have been solely created with the intent to mock the beliefs of others. One recent thread being about ghosts and the ridicule was all over the topic. It wasn't locked and as far as I know, nobody has been reprimanded for that. I can bet my bottom dollar if I made a topic mocking a belief, particularly say Islam, I'd be, rightfully so, dealt with pretty quickly. Seems a little lopsided to me.

It can appear lopsided if you're not privvy to all the threads that are reported, or how they are assessed.

As for this topic itself, I couldn't agree more that discussion isn't a bad thing. The problem I have with this thread is that it's not about discussion, it's got ridicule written all over it. The OP has made clear he has no interest in discussing this field, nor investigating it, he simply wants to shove his unfounded opinion down everybody's throats like it's fact. Let's look at the definition of discussion: The action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas.

Can you honestly say you see that in this thread from the OP? He has no interest in an exchange of ideas, all he has interest in is telling people to present him with evidence, of which you agree is not possible over the Internet, otherwise he talks down to them and has no intentions of taking the thread further. Doesn't sound like much of a discussion to me. I'm clearly not alone in wanting to see this thread locked and killed off, it's serving no purpose but as a tool to berate people, their beliefs and experiences - of which are unimportant, just because they didn't happen to the OP.

Closing a thread is a last resort in most cases, since allowing discussion is the preferred option. This one is being monitored the same as all others, if it crosses a tipping point then it is shut, if not, it's given time to allow discussion. As to how it is judged isn't really your concern. :)

Now lets get back to the topic, and not a discussion on moderators, of how threads are moderated, or how decisions are made.

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Now lets get back to the topic, and not a discussion on moderators, of how threads are moderated, or how decisions are made.

What Sky Scanner said^

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Evil spirits have plagued mankind for thousands of years. They have drove many people insane. They have drove them into mental hospitals and asylums. Psychiatry use to call schizophrenia demons. And there are many countries that believe that schizpophrenia is having evil spirits in ones life. Is this what you want Sakari?

It's sin that brings evil spirits into a persons life. Although, a good person would never tell you what any of those sins are because they would be committing an evil act in doing so. If you want a glimpse into the spirit world, study your dreams because often times when we dream we are out of our bodies in the invisible spirit world.

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Evil spirits have plagued mankind for thousands of years. They have drove many people insane. They have drove them into mental hospitals and asylums. Psychiatry use to call schizophrenia demons. And there are many countries that believe that schizpophrenia is having evil spirits in ones life. Is this what you want Sakari?

It's sin that brings evil spirits into a persons life. Although, a good person would never tell you what any of those sins are because they would be committing an evil act in doing so. If you want a glimpse into the spirit world, study your dreams because often times when we dream we are out of our bodies in the invisible spirit world.

Everything you are saying leads to what " this " is.

A medical condition, and all in ones head. ( alive or asleep )

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Everything you are saying leads to what " this " is.

A medical condition, and all in ones head. ( alive or asleep )

:innocent:

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At OP have you had any success in this quest of yours at all?

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I'm not going to read 139 pages, but all I can say is why the hell would you want "evil" spirits in your home.

Sounds really crazy to me, no offense.

This thread should just die. I find it hard to believe its still going . Just my two sense .

I agree.

Mods, if appropriate can you jump-in and lock this incredibly BS thread?

Absolutely, this thread has proven nothing and disproven nothing.

*snip*

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