Abramelin Posted May 9, 2011 #4751 Share Posted May 9, 2011 If you had good eyes you would have seen Nepot in there too - Neptune. I'll concentrate on Inkishush for now, Inka and Neef (Nep) Teunis were brothers. The word also transfers to nephew. At Aldergamude there lived an old sea-king whose name was Sterik, and whose deeds were famous. This old fellow had three nephews. Wodin, the eldest, lived at Lumkamakia, near the Eemude, in Oostflyland, with his parents. He had once commanded troops. Teunis and Inka were naval warriors, and were just then staying with their father at Aldergamude. Ingvi is generally Freyr so I wouldn't be suprised if what the Gutians bought in was Apollo and Artemis. Invni's grandchildren. That's about the best I can get out of it for now. Freyr's (children). Ingvi's sons. Inka didn't go to the Mediterranean, Teunis did. == Of course Nep = nephew, that is what the OLB tells us, lol (but not of eachother, but of Wodan). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 9, 2011 #4752 Share Posted May 9, 2011 You may think you don't need a linguist here, but the more you continue, the better you will be able to prove 1+1=3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knul Posted May 9, 2011 #4753 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hello Otharus, Sure, I mixed the two Aafjes. It must be the Aafje, who was married to Hendrik Reuvers. In 1845 Cornelis over de Linden, Staderman and Munnik travelled to Enkhuizen to visit aunt Aafje Over de Linden (Vijzelstraat), obviously to discuss the inheritance, but it took till 1848, that aunt Aafje handed the manuscripts over to Cornelis Over de Linden. Reuvers, who opposed to the transaction, died in 1845. However, this pre-story conflicts with elements (cattle disease, paalwoningen), which lead to a later date of the OLB. Besides there is no proof, that the OLB was among the old books and manuscripts, which seem to have been the issue of the inheritance. I suppose, that the OLB has been bought by the son of Stadermann later. The Oera Linda Boek shows other words from the Amsterdam dialect like faliekant and boha. So I suppose foddik comes from the same dialect. I rather use the term negative verb instead of contractions, because only a limited number of such negative verbs function as normal verbs and they are declined in the same way as the normal verbs. It is indeed not exclusively Rustringian, but much more frequent in that dialect, which is supposed to be older than the other Oldfrisian dialects. knul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 9, 2011 #4754 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Pseudoscientific language comparison is a form of pseudo-scholarship that has the objective of establishing historical associations between languages by naive postulations of similarities between them. While comparative linguistics also studies the historical relationships of languages, linguistic comparisons are considered pseudoscientific by linguists when they are not based on the established practices of comparative linguistics, or on the more general principles of the scientific method. Pseudoscientific language comparison is usually performed by persons with little or no specialization in the field of comparative linguistics. It is a widespread type of linguistic pseudoscience (another example being false etymology). The most common method applied in pseudoscientific language comparisons is to search two or more languages for words that seem similar in their sound and meaning. While similarities of this kind often seem convincing to laypersons, linguistic scientists consider this kind of comparison to be unreliable for two primary reasons. First, the method applied is not well-defined: the criterion of similarity is subjective and thus not subject to verification or falsification, which is contrary to the principles of the scientific method. Second, the large size of all languages' vocabulary makes it easy to find coincidentally similar words between languages. Because of its unreliability, the method of searching for isolated similarities is rejected by nearly all comparative linguists (however, see mass comparison for a controversial method that operates by similarity). Instead of noting isolated similarities, comparative linguists use a technique called the comparative method to search for regular (i.e. recurring) correspondences between the languages’ phonology, grammar and core vocabulary in order to test hypotheses of relatedness. Certain types of languages seem to attract much more attention in pseudoscientific comparisons than others. These include languages of ancient civilizations such as Egyptian, Etruscan or Sumerian; language isolates or near-isolates such as Basque, Japanese and Ainu; and languages that are unrelated to their geographical neighbors such as Hungarian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscientific_language_comparison See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_etymology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_etymology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4755 Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) I quote from the link I posted (my former post): "According to the OLB, the Frya people entered the Mediterranean, and then invaded the Middle East and the Punjab and maybe further. They were a lot more civilized than the Akkadian tablets tell us about the Gutians. OK, they were enemies, but the Gutians show now resemblence at all with these 'Frya people'. And... the Goths from Gotland island (Sweden) travelled across the Baltic, invaded Poland, and then travelled south to the Black Sea area. Nowhwere do we read anything about that in the OLB. Did they forget?? Heh." The OLB doesn mention the Geertmen and their travels, but never does it say they met a related tribe in Persian/India/Punjab. And the reason some of the etymology of the Gutian kings disappeared is obvious: no source is mentioned, and the one creating it (or someone else editing it) must have thought it was b... wrong. Also on the page I linked I said something about this "Inki". It's much more probable it's another way of writing "Enki", a Sumerian god. You speak Thai? They call us all, Europeans, Farang. That's because the French did a lot of 'missoanary' work their, lol. "igan - gans, gians - giants - the gians - I investigated that word before - pelas GIANS. Varangians. The gian is gengi OLD NORSE for companions/gang." You know what the Old Norse word for giant is? "Huin". We Dutch adopted it long ago, and mixed it with the Huns. That's why we now call those Dutch mesolithic structures (long-graves) "hunebedden". It's not "hun's beds", but "beds of the giants". I never said giant was an old Norse word, gang is from gengi. These people didn't call themself giants did they... The people who saw them named them giants - from gians - the huge gangs of men under oath for each other that were also large in size. These large men led huge gangs of men across the plains - like swarms of locusts. Hungarian also has a t suffix as an accusative - so it wouldn't be that unusual to have gian-t You don't know how civilized any of them were, or behaved - you read a small portion of the ones who became Frisians but there were many more Fryan people - do you think the Jutten for example, picking up amber on the shore of the Eastern Baltic were the same as the Fryans who settled in Friesland..? The ones in the East lost their values in the end really, many became Celts who followed Kalta after that - many of them were Fryans - do we expect they should have acted differently because they were originally Fryans... be all nice and civilised - too many changes and people to peg hole like that imo. They were a lot more civilized than the Akkadian tablets tell us about the Gutians. Ones that moved away became different from ones who stayed around Friesland and Holland. A central lamp or hearth is about all I need to find connections of. Like in Latium. Apollo, Zoroastrianism, Hesta, Vesta, maidens and virgins, freedom and truth do underlie the Fryans though. Tomorrow for me now. Edited May 9, 2011 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4756 Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) Inka didn't go to the Mediterranean, Teunis did. == Of course Nep = nephew, that is what the OLB tells us, lol (but not of eachother, but of Wodan). I never said Inka went to the Mediterranean. You pick out the most trivial things to sidetrack me. The word Inka may mean Ingvi - no one said Inkishush was Inka, although I did say the word Inkishush reminded me of the word Inka. What are you on about with the next bit (actually don't answer that, I don't care) - they are 3 brothers Inka, Neef Teunis and Wodan - all nephews of Sterik. My apologies for putting giant in that list, I can see how it confused you - I mean giants did come from gians - but not necessarily in Norse. Edited May 9, 2011 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 9, 2011 #4757 Share Posted May 9, 2011 I never said giant was an old Norse word, gang is from gengi. These people didn't call themself giants did they... The people who saw them named them giants - from gians - the huge gangs of men under oath for each other that were also large in size. These large men led huge gangs of men across the plains - like swarms of locusts. Hungarian also has a t suffix as an accusative - so it wouldn't be that unusual to have gian-t You don't know how civilized any of them were, or behaved - you read a small portion of the ones who became Frisians but there were many more Fryan people - do you think the Jutten for example, picking up amber on the shore of the Eastern Baltic were the same as the Fryans who settled in Friesland..? The ones in the East lost their values in the end really, many became Celts who followed Kalta after that - many of them were Fryans - do we expect they should have acted differently because they were originally Fryans... be all nice and civilised - too many changes and people to peg hole like that imo. They were a lot more civilized than the Akkadian tablets tell us about the Gutians. Ones that moved away became different from ones who stayed around Friesland and Holland. A central lamp or hearth is about all I need to find connections of. Like in Latium. Apollo, Zoroastrianism, Hesta, Vesta, maidens and virgins, freedom and truth do underlie the Fryans though. Tomorrow for me now. I also never said that YOU said it was Old Norse, I actually said, "did you know that..?" But the Old Norse word for giant is 'huin'. "A central lamp or hearth is about all I need to find connections of" Heh, I know. Etymology, OLB style Lesson 25: From schnitzel (escalope) to knikker (a marble, a kid's toy). Schnitzel >>> (Frisianized to) tsjnitsjel (j = the English -y- in 'yes') >>> Frisian -tsj- becomes Dutch -k- >>> knikel >>> then: -l- >> -r- , hence: kniker. Those damn Dutch don't like one -k- in the middle of a word, so: knikker. Ergo: 1+1=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4758 Share Posted May 9, 2011 It is an interesting theory to suppose that the Guti, Getae, Goths, Juts, Jats and more were all names for the same people who went on to become Kurds as well as assimilated into other cultures. I found a fairly extensive site, not sure of its credibility but they case is that rufism (red hair) is the main identifying mark genetically. Don't expect you to agree but check it out. http://jatistan.blogspot.com/2010/11/glorious-gutians.html If there is substance to the claims then that is a pretty amazing area that the culture could have covered. Certainly is Slim, they are everywhere. I'll have to give this better attention tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 9, 2011 #4759 Share Posted May 9, 2011 I never said Inka went to the Mediterranean. You pick out the most trivial things to sidetrack me. The word Inka may mean Ingvi - no one said Inkishush was Inka, although I did say the word Inkishush reminded me of the word Inka. What are you on about with the next bit (actually don't answer that, I don't care) - they are 3 brothers Inka, Neef Teunis and Wodan - all nephews of Sterik. My apologies for putting giant in that list, I can see how it confused you - I mean giants did come from gians - but not necessarily in Norse. I know you didn't say Inka went to the Med, it was I who said he didn't. Inka was the one who wanted to sail to the remnants of Halbertsma's "Aldland". It was Halbertsma who was (one of) the first to coin the term "Aldlanders" (the original Frisians as opposed to the new arrivals from Holland in De Bildt). And when you say again, "this/that reminds me of..", I know that you will follow that 'lead' into a quagmire of 'possibilities', and don't give a damn as long as the end-result suits what you were after, lol. Giants - gians - gang... come on Puzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4760 Share Posted May 9, 2011 I know you didn't say Inka went to the Med, it was I who said he didn't. Inka was the one who wanted to sail to the remnants of Halbertsma's "Aldland". It was Halbertsma who was (one of) the first to coin the term "Aldlanders" (the original Frisians as opposed to the new arrivals from Holland in De Bildt). And when you say again, "this/that reminds me of..", I know that you will follow that 'lead' into a quagmire of 'possibilities', and don't give a damn as long as the end-result suits what you were after, lol. Giants - gians - gang... come on Puzz. Quite frankly Abe, I don't give a hoot if giants can come from gians, cause I already know they WERE giants in the Levant. I do know however that gengi is companion/s of an oath. Hence a gang. Check Varangians. A gang is giant - giant wouldn't have originally come from being a tall or large person, it would have come from the huge gangs that roamed the plains of the Levant. The Giants of the Bible - that swarmed the plains, it's a double edged meaning, more like a big gang of something - like locusts or grasshoppers, surely you have seen A Bugs Life - whose the bad, uncouth barbarian GANG? Hopper and his swarm of destroying grasshoppers of course. Now this time I gotta go to bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4761 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Greek Várangos and Old East Slavic varęgŭ are derived from Old Norse væringi, originally a compound of vár "pledge" and gengi "companion", i.e. "a sworn person" or "a foreigner who has taken service with a new lord by a treaty of fealty to him, or protégé".[17][18] Some scholars seem to assume a derivation with the common suffix -ing-.[19] Yet, this suffix is inflected differently in Old Norse, and furthermore, the word is attested with -gangia- in other Germanic languages in the Early Middle Ages: Old English wærgenga, Old Frankish wargengus, Langobardic waregang.[20] The reduction of the second part of the word is parallel to that seen in Old Norse foringi "leader" = Old English foregenga, Gothic fauragangja "steward http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians I mean it this time, lol goodnight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 9, 2011 #4762 Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) My post 3194, page 213 (the empty spaces won't show up because I don't know how to 'multiquote', so please check that post for yourself to see what I wrote): And my respons to Tony, after he suggested the flood may have been minor and not registered: From post 2934, page 196: I have tried to find some online archives of Leeuwarden, but nothing reaches up to the 13th century. But from all those old documents and manuscripts I have read for this thread, I learned that around th 13th century and before, dates were written in Roman numbers. OK, so 1255 would be MCCLV. Then I read somewhere (it was not about the OLB, btw) that a -V- , quickly written, could look like an -X- , and so would create a different date when translated into modern (Arabic) numbers. Now let's see what we would get: MCCLV could have been MCCLX, or 1260. Or, MCCLV could have been MCCIX, or 1209. What I want to show is this: the date of MCCLV (1255 AD) for some flood may not show up in the archives because it, incorrectly, looks like MCCLX (=1260 AD) or like MCCIX (=1209 AD). So, there is a possibility the 1255 AD flood doesn't show up anywhere because it's Latin numbers were incorrectly read/interpreted. This may seem like holding on to a straw, lol, or even farfetched, but we have seen in this thread that a minor misreading of a letter in the OLB text can change the entire meaning of a sentence. Now 'all' we have to do is find a flood occurring at 1209 and 1260 in some (online) archive of a northern, Frisian city. Btw, that would mean we also have to search in German archives, like for instance those of Rüstringen (or Wilhelmshaven). Der alte Gau Rüstringen wurde durch die Sturmfluten des 12. bis 15. Jahrhunderts, bei denen der Jadebusen entstand, auseinandergerissen Translation: The old gau Rüstringen was torn apart due to storm surges from the 12th to 15th Century, when the Jade Bay was formed. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BCstringen . MCCLV = 1255 MCCLI = 1251 1251 Jever: Sturmflut http://www.klausdede.de/index.php?content=weserundjade⊂=07 Jever is now what once was the larger area of Rüstringen. I am still trying to find that flood the OLB talks about in the beginning of the manuscript ("Okke, my son" and all that). Tony said it may have been too insignificant to put on record, but the OLB says people needed to get rescued. If there is any thruth in the OLB, we should be able to find the date of that flood, the flood that almost destroyed the last copy of the OLB. So, assuming the OLB is about the truth and nothing but the truth, then maybe the left or right stroke of the letter -V- faded away in time, and only left one stroke, and thus would be seen as an -I-. Or 1251 instead of 1255. -- I am trying, you know, I really am, lol. +++++++ EDIT: (apparently there was a flood in 1251, but you won't see it in the next animation) This is the kind of thing I am after to PROVE that the OLB is telling the truth. As I have said many times, 'wordfk', and lego-etymology and twisting myths and legends to unrecognizable shapes will not convince anyone but the OLB believers. . Edited May 9, 2011 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 9, 2011 #4763 Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) We need "hard" evidence. Hard evidence is not the same as playing with words (and calling it 'etymologý') and twisting around ancient myths, it's ancient records (not myths), it's archeology - solid matter- , it's (in this case) geology. We do need solid proof in this thread, or we will dance around eachother till Hell freezes over. And FYI, the ancient -Frisian- name for the North Sea was HELL, and there was a river called LETHE (a tributary of the Hunte river) in the Oldenburg county, close to Rüstringen, Alan country. That adds up nicely to the Athens, Egypteland, King of Egypt, Rome, Mediteranean I already found in that Frisian area. The creators of the OLB sure did know about topography. +++ EDIT: You all still get my drift? They used ancient Frisian myths and fabulations, and then combined it with ancient Roman and Greek sources to create a stunning myth of the history of the Fryans/Frisians. . Edited May 9, 2011 by Abramelin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted May 9, 2011 #4764 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Apparently with Hungarian it is not as hard as it first looks, word formation starts with a 'root' and you build on it. Hungarian is one of the most difficult languages to master as a foreigner. But Puzz here thinks that lego-play can help her out. Well Puzz, your next holiday should be to Hungaria, and then you will know how wrong you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4765 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hungarian is one of the most difficult languages to master as a foreigner. But Puzz here thinks that lego-play can help her out. Well Puzz, your next holiday should be to Hungaria, and then you will know how wrong you are. Jó reggelt! I agree, I said what the book said, it's not that 'hard' or daunting once you understand the "certain regularity and code to the language which, once grasped, can help enormously. Word formation is agglutinative, meaning that you start with a root and build on it." There is complicated rules like any language and I don't intent to master it but understand the basic word formations for a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4766 Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) OKKE MY SON You must preserve these books with body and soul. They contain the history of all our people, as well as of our forefathers. Last year I saved them in the flood, as well as you and your mother; but they got wet, and therefore began to perish. In order not to lose them, I copied them on foreign paper. In case you inherit them, you must copy them likewise, and your children must do so too, so that they may never be lost. Written at Liuwert, in the three thousand four hundred and forty-ninth year after Atland was submergedthat is, according to the Christian reckoning, the year 1256. Hiddo, surnamed Over de Linda.Watch. You are putting way too much faith in the Christian Reckoning. It's three thousand four hundred and forty nine years since the sinking of Atland, THAT IS, ACCORDING TO THE CHRISTIAN RECKONING - the year 1256. He knows it's 3449 years since the sinking and his phrase is 'that is , according to the Christian reckoning, 1256 - the only thing making it`1256 is the Christian Reckoning. Do don't think they might have been off a few years somewhere when they created that Anno Domini time... It's only a few years out, he should probably be saying it was 1251 or 1252, but he is actually not saying it's any date, he's telling us the date in accordance to Christian Reckoning. You're like one of these people who goes around disproving the Bible because something is not in exact date alignment somewhere. Edited May 9, 2011 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4767 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Just for interest here's a cool list of all events and phenomena recorded in the newspaper in the Middle Ages, weather wise, some example of it... ----- 1249 November 24 Cambery Landslide Many villages lost 1250 October 1 North Sea Gale & sea flood Great damage, England, Holland, Flanders 1251 May 19 England Thunderstorm & tornado Thunderstorm damaged Windsor. Funnel cloud seen, St. Albans 1252 January 13 England & Ireland Gale E and SW gales caused much damage 1252 March 13 England Obscuration Sun, Moon and stars of a red colour for 15 days 1252 March - Jul;y England, Ireland Drought Summer heat day & night. Shannon dried up 1254 January 1 England Aurora? 'Ship' in air at night at St. Albans 1255 April 8 Prague Tornado ‘Swirl’ damaged many buildings 1255 summer Lombardy Seiches? Lakes & rivers rose & fell 1256 Arabia Volcano Eruption near Medina ------ http://www.phenomena.org.uk/page29/page32/page32.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4768 Share Posted May 9, 2011 I can't attach the list I wanted to on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Azari_language Some Azari Words with Other Iranian languages, in a box. That's part of the ancient Azari language - that is IE speakers of AZERbaijan. Interesting place this Azerbaijan with their Azari language and I still think the language is connected to the Berbers. What sticks out at me is the word sor, ser, sal, sal, then it says YEAR/SOL. The word is interchangable - year is sol, they are the same descending out of this language. The word year would have come about from the movement of Sol (Saule). The Juul was this equation. One circuit of the Sun equalled the Juul. Which equalled one year. berz etc is obviously high like berg. What about DEL as heart, that's interesting isn't it....? What is your heart but a triangle shape that I'm sure I could define a meaning for it to be thought of as a delta... Love frees you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 9, 2011 #4769 Share Posted May 9, 2011 So, can anyone summarize a credible hoax theory by now? Not me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 10, 2011 #4770 Share Posted May 10, 2011 (edited) It is an interesting theory to suppose that the Guti, Getae, Goths, Juts, Jats and more were all names for the same people who went on to become Kurds as well as assimilated into other cultures. I found a fairly extensive site, not sure of its credibility but they case is that rufism (red hair) is the main identifying mark genetically. Don't expect you to agree but check it out. http://jatistan.blogspot.com/2010/11/glorious-gutians.html If there is substance to the claims then that is a pretty amazing area that the culture could have covered. Hebrews are also defined by a reddish hair and fair skin, think of people like Barbra Streisand too, I actually look somewhat like Barbra, so I get told, it's my nose, it doesn't help. I do not have a Jewish nose, I have an aquiline nose or more commonly known as a Roman nose. It has no hook, it's a straight nose, with a bridge bump - my nose is like Princess Diana's was. This nose is not Asian, it is Teutonic. It's not Nordic as such but a Germanic Teuton nose - the Tudors (Teutors) had this nose and we all know Elizabeth had reddish hair and fair skin, I can guarantee you she had an aquiline nose. It's a very English nose, with our largish, long heads and long, larger noses, they simply match our face and our build but unfortunately do not appear so 'pretty' as little snub noses. Speaking of, my husband has one of those - a snub nose - he's English heritage too, the difference is his mother's mother is FINNISH. The Nordic Finnish snub, small nose is not Teutonic. Cyrus has a typical Persian nose, which is exactly a Jewish nose, it's a variation of a Roman nose - aquiline noses are often referred to as eagle noses or beakish, but Roman noses do not look like that at all, only hooked Jewish, Persian noses, like they find on Egyptian mummies too. A Roman nose has a distinct point on the end as my nose has, it is not a hook or an eagle beak shape. The difference is the bump, the bump is low on the Jewish/Persian nose making it turn down at the end which makes it hook shape or beak shape. THIS is a proper Roman nose, the bump is higher and the nose therefore is straight but has a bridge bump. Here's a whole forum on it if you wanted to investigate this further - Roman nose vs Jewish nose: http://dodona.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=physanth&action=print&thread=7720 What it shows is that Romans in Rome were Teutonic. The Jewish nose is different and is from the same base as the Persian nose,(which originally probably were the same as the Teutonics nose and centred in the Caucasus) the Arab nose now is a wonky combo of the 2. They all look like they have broken noses. Here's the Swedish Prince Carl, hardly blonde is he...? He looks nothing like what I'd expect one to look like.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Carl_Philip,_Duke_of_V%C3%A4rmland Here's Andrea Casiraghi of Monaco, his father was Italian. http://www.hellomagazine.com/profiles/andrea-casiraghi/ Andrea is a picture of Teutonicness while Prince Carl looks like he should be anywhere but Sweden. Andrea has a Roman nose, from his father, and Teutonic looks from him too, an Italian. This is the ancient line of German Teutonic people in the area of the Riviera, which incidently is at the area of Liguria, where I stated earlier I believe a Northern European intrusion took place, by sailing men, who became the sailors of Geneva, of whom Christopher Columbus was one. OK, I'll come back later tonight, that was just observation to use to compare other things to as I go along. Edited May 10, 2011 by The Puzzler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alewyn Posted May 10, 2011 #4771 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Pseudoscientific language comparison is a form of pseudo-scholarship that has the objective of establishing historical associations between languages by naive postulations of similarities between them. While comparative linguistics also studies the historical relationships of languages, linguistic comparisons are considered pseudoscientific by linguists when they are not based on the established practices of comparative linguistics, or on the more general principles of the scientific method. Pseudoscientific language comparison is usually performed by persons with little or no specialization in the field of comparative linguistics. It is a widespread type of linguistic pseudoscience (another example being false etymology). The most common method applied in pseudoscientific language comparisons is to search two or more languages for words that seem similar in their sound and meaning. While similarities of this kind often seem convincing to laypersons, linguistic scientists consider this kind of comparison to be unreliable for two primary reasons. First, the method applied is not well-defined: the criterion of similarity is subjective and thus not subject to verification or falsification, which is contrary to the principles of the scientific method. Second, the large size of all languages' vocabulary makes it easy to find coincidentally similar words between languages. Because of its unreliability, the method of searching for isolated similarities is rejected by nearly all comparative linguists (however, see mass comparison for a controversial method that operates by similarity). Instead of noting isolated similarities, comparative linguists use a technique called the comparative method to search for regular (i.e. recurring) correspondences between the languages’ phonology, grammar and core vocabulary in order to test hypotheses of relatedness. Certain types of languages seem to attract much more attention in pseudoscientific comparisons than others. These include languages of ancient civilizations such as Egyptian, Etruscan or Sumerian; language isolates or near-isolates such as Basque, Japanese and Ainu; and languages that are unrelated to their geographical neighbors such as Hungarian. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoscientific_language_comparison See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folk_etymology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_etymology Abe, I was realy hoping that some participants here would have taken this posting more serious. All this playing with words is just derailing the discussion every time and do not prove a thing. It is the same as all the wild speculations around "whodunnit" or trying to prove Greek Mythology true. As an example: I gave very credible references to the "Green Sahara" which not only fits in well with the OLB's timing and description of the 4.2ka BP event, but would also blow some of the theories around the demise of the Old Kingdom of Egypt, out of the water. I do not want to sound abrasive, but it seems to me people just do not even want to consider the possibility that the old kingdom's demise was not triggered by a famine but by something much more violent and instantaneous. Instead of exploring this line of thought, we again compare words in different languages with one another, ad nauseum. In the meantime, the silence of the Egyptologists is/are(?) deafening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 10, 2011 #4772 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Slim, I should have added the most important point which my point to your post and mine: Other ethnic groups said (by Morton?) to have aquiline noses were the Kazakhs (Central Asia), the Shagia (Africa), the Abipones (South America), and the Kabbabish (Africa). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquiline_nose Here's an older Euro racial type chart: Alpine (Celtic) (face)Round Broad / (hair)Light chestnut/ (eyes)Hazelgray Medium/ (build)stocky Variable/ (nose) rather broad; heavy (Synonyms) Occidental (Deniker), Homo Alpinus (Lapouge) Mediterranean Long Long Dark brown or black Dark Medium,slender Rather broad Teutonic Long Long Very light Blue Tall Narrow; aquiline Nordic (Deniker), Homo Europaeus (Lapouge) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_race Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 10, 2011 #4773 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Abe, I was realy hoping that some participants here would have taken this posting more serious. All this playing with words is just derailing the discussion every time and do not prove a thing. It is the same as all the wild speculations around "whodunnit" or trying to prove Greek Mythology true. As an example: I gave very credible references to the "Green Sahara" which not only fits in well with the OLB's timing and description of the 4.2ka BP event, but would also blow some of the theories around the demise of the Old Kingdom of Egypt, out of the water. I do not want to sound abrasive, but it seems to me people just do not even want to consider the possibility that the old kingdom's demise was not triggered by a famine but by something much more violent and instantaneous. Instead of exploring this line of thought, we again compare words in different languages with one another, ad nauseum. In the meantime, the silence of the Egyptologists is/are(?) deafening. As Otharus said, the key is really in the language. 3 years ago when I was nutty on Atlantis and found it everywhere, I found it in the Green Sahara. I know alot about it actually but don't feel it adds much to this. You can check out more info that you ever imagined on the Green Sahara at my old thread here: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=124435 I told you that the Siwa Oasis was Palm Land, which is Phonisar, an outpost of Phoenicia in Tyre. They sent tonnes of palm oil to ancient Crete. I've added a ton of stuff that was not language based and never got much of a response from you. Otharus and I enjoy playing with the words and as far as I'm concerned it's showing alot that backs up your story so I don't know why you are complaining. We are trying to unravel the language that's supposed to be the whole reason the book is actually a fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 10, 2011 #4774 Share Posted May 10, 2011 If you do check it out, be sure to notice my original name on UM - that would be - weareallsuckers. We are all suckers. Do you know that term? It means to me - We have all been duped/tricked. My mind set is as old as me and it represents exactly what I find the OLB is now telling me is 'true'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Puzzler Posted May 10, 2011 #4775 Share Posted May 10, 2011 Ancient Greek and Chinese historians had long referenced a unique cultural and ethnic group on its western frontier with red hair and blue eyes since the 3rd century BCE, a group that settled Afghanistan and forged a vibrant Buddhist empire that spread Buddhism to much of the the world through China and India. But when 3,800-year-old mummies were unearthed in the early 20th century in the Tarim Basin of the western Chinese desert with blatant "white" physiognomy and clothing of apparently European origin, historians, anthropologists, and archeologists were awestruck. The tenuous ethnocultural issue made this a serious issue: Europeans emphasized the role of "Europeans" in creating an ancient frontier civilization that brought a world religion to Asia; Chinese scholars refused to believe that significant foundations of their history were "imported," and the modern residents of the Tarim region (Xinjiang) -- the Muslim Uyghurs -- insist that they were the original natives of the region. This analytical essay is divided into two parts. Firstly, an analysis of the 3,800-year-old white Europoid mummies in western China (Xinjiang province) and their possible culture and race. Second, an analysis of the history of the Kushan/Tocharian bringers of Buddhism to much of the world. If the original European mummies are related to these Kushan Buddhist missionaries with blue eyes and red hair, then the descendants of these European mummies forever shaped the cultural and religious evolution of Asia. http://euroheritage.net/tocharians.shtml THEY spread Buddhism. Some more: The 3,800-year-old Europoid mummies of China, the bringers of Buddhism to Asia? by James Mayfield (Chairman, European Heritage Library) The reason for the possible connection of these white mummies to the bringers of Buddhism out of ancient Afghanistan is that they both lived in the same region. It is possible that the mummies of the Tarim Basin have absolutely nothing to do with the subsequent history with which they are accredited. This white Europoid culture may have died out long before an unrelated race (the Tocharians) moved into Buddhist Afghanistan. Or, they may be the same people. The possible historical connection is covered in the second section below. The most important information derives from Chinese depictions of Buddhist missionaries with blatantly white features such as blue eyes and red hair from this area and Afghanistan. The oldest mummy, "Cherchen Man," dates back to 1,800BCE. The clothing and physignomy of the Tarim mummies clearly show that they are white Europoid. The skull structure (high cheekbones, a square jaw, and an elongated thin skull), genetic evidence, and red-skirt clothing of the Tarim mummies all point to a cultural and genetic origin from a European race. The buried mummies, notably tall (considered a European feature) were found with both blond and red hair, with male and female buried equally elaborately. They wore red and blue felt hats, long skirts, and what are described as typically "Scandinavian/Germanic" pointed witch-style hats on many of the women. The Tarim mummies may have been related to the ancestors of what became the Slavic, Uralic, or less likely (due to their far distance) the Germanic peoples. The burial objects with which inhumation occurred are unusual: blue stones over their eyes and bags of incense around their necks as tokens to a good afterlife. Some have drawn a connection between the incense bags and early Iranian/Scythian and Zoroastrian culture that was prolific throughout Central Asia as described by Strabo and Ptolemy. The Iranic race also has a physiognomy of high cheekbones, an elongated skull, and a recessive propensity for light features as best displayed by the Tajiks of the Pamir region. This is one argument for the possibility that these "white mummies" are instead related to ancient Scythian Iranian tribes. Some scientists have also dismissed the red and blond hair of the mummies as a result of natural bleaching and dying in the sun, sandstorms, or as a result of the soil content of the graves. This very legitimate assertion, however, does not explain the distinct European skull features of the mummies. -------------- The Scythians went East and into Mongolia, they mixed and became what appears to be the Kazakhs. The pointed hats (witch hats) on the Scythians and Tocharian mummies says that these people were together. The remains of the mummies imo are a mixed Scythian intrusion into the area. The Sacae, or Scyths, were clad in trousers, and had on their heads tall stiff caps rising to a point. They bore the bow of their country and the dagger; besides which they carried the battle-axe, or sagaris. They were in truth Amyrgian (Western) Scythians, but the Persians called them Sacae, since that is the name which they gave to all Scythians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians Famous picture of a Hittite King, with pointy hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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