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Discussion is about this: you say this, and someone reponds.

But you just pour out what is bothering you, and then you simply hope people here will understand what you posted about.... in DUTCH.

Menno, Dutch is NOT a 'lingua franca', ok?

Man, jesus...

If you think you need help, ASK.

I am quite sure even an Otharus will help you if you ask him for a translation, and I won't mind either.

But no one here loves that job, so no one will 'volunteer'.

.

But Dietsch is.

We are talking about an old Duytch language, can we speak it please.

Englisch can also be seen as West-Flemish Creolor :-) No offence.

A mong tis luttel is-simple (s-ample). A sampeltje zoals wij zeggen.

Abe, Delahaye looks for the truth and Ijpelaan aknowledges that.

Alvorens iemand nog stellig wil verklaren dat Amorem níet hetzelfde is als van Armorica en ook de band met de Chamaven wil handhaven is het nuttig dat hij eerst het geheel van de bronnen over de Chamavi raadpleegt (12), net als die over Armorica, al te meer omdat er voor Amore geen enkele alternatieve localisatie voorhanden is. De Chamavi waren Franken (13) en in de documentatie van Armorica komen veel spellingsvarianten van de naam voor (14).

In De Franken in Nederland zijn de andere traditionalistische localisaties van de ‘liefdesrivier’ Amore (Eems, Eem en Amer bij Amersfoort) achterwege gebleven, waarmee wordt toegegeven dat deze plaats in Nederland nergens met enige zekerheid kan worden aangewezen en er wordt zonder enige opgaaf van redenen volgehouden dat het om een rivier gaat.

And about 'wanting something', I think some others have good experience in that.

Why do you want (same way you say about Delahaye) to deny closer and more obvious links than always that Hebrew story?

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But Dietsch is.

We are talking about an old Duytch language, can we speak it please.

Englisch can also be seen as West-Flemish Creolor :-) No offence.

A mong tis luttel is-simple (s-ample). A sampeltje zoals wij zeggen.

Abe, Delahaye looks for the truth and Ijpelaan aknowledges that.

Alvorens iemand nog stellig wil verklaren dat Amorem níet hetzelfde is als van Armorica en ook de band met de Chamaven wil handhaven is het nuttig dat hij eerst het geheel van de bronnen over de Chamavi raadpleegt (12), net als die over Armorica, al te meer omdat er voor Amore geen enkele alternatieve localisatie voorhanden is. De Chamavi waren Franken (13) en in de documentatie van Armorica komen veel spellingsvarianten van de naam voor (14).

In De Franken in Nederland zijn de andere traditionalistische localisaties van de ‘liefdesrivier’ Amore (Eems, Eem en Amer bij Amersfoort) achterwege gebleven, waarmee wordt toegegeven dat deze plaats in Nederland nergens met enige zekerheid kan worden aangewezen en er wordt zonder enige opgaaf van redenen volgehouden dat het om een rivier gaat.

And about 'wanting something', I think some others have good experience in that.

Why do you want (same way you say about Delahaye) to deny closer and more obvious links than always that Hebrew story?

Yeah, post more Dutch text, people here will love it. Your brains dropped out or what?

I am glad I am a mix of Jewish, Russian, German, Basque, and Dutch blood. And I found out... a lot of Frisian blood also.

And, btw, Delahaye has been proven wrong.

He was not some nut, but science proved him wrong. To me he was like a Thor Heyerdahl: interesting theory, but wrong.

Alas.

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Discussion is about this: you say this, and someone reponds.

But you just pour out what is bothering you, and then you simply hope people here will understand what you posted about.... in DUTCH.

Menno, Dutch is NOT a 'lingua franca', ok?

Man, jesus...

If you think you need help, ASK.

I am quite sure even an Otharus will help you if you ask him for a translation, and I won't mind either.

But no one here loves that job, so no one will 'volunteer'.

.

Unfortunately the OLB is a Dutch / Frisian source. People, who can only read Sandbach's translation of the OLB miss a lot of information anyway.

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Sandbach p.55

Comparing the translation of Sandbach (1876) to that of Raubenheimer (2011; 2nd edition, based on Sandbach), it can be concluded that Raubenheimer's version indeed seems to be an improvement.

However, in the following example, an important detail was missed, namely, that the Greek priests did not only erect statues of Minerva on their altars, but also that they sold statues of Minerva to the people; they commercialised her popularity!

Original fragment:

HJRA BYLDNESE STÀLDON HJA VPPA HJARA ÀLTÀRUM

JEFTHA HJA VRSELLADE.T ANDA DVMA MÀNNISKA.

Here's in italic Sandbach's and in normal script Raubenheimer's version:

one would have thought that they would have called all the people together

to drive us out of the land;

but no, in place of abusing her they went all about

from the heathenish [near] Krekaland to the Alps, proclaiming

Now everyone would think that they would have called everywhere on the people

to drive us all out of the land.

(But) no, instead of defaming her, they went everywhere,

also to Heinde Krekaland (Italy) right up to the Alps, proclaiming

that it had pleased the Almighty God

to send his clever [wise] daughter Min-erva, surnamed Nyhellenia,

over the sea in a cloud to give people good counsel,

and that all who listened to her should become rich and happy,

and in the end governors of all the kingdoms of the earth.

that it had pleased the highest god

to send his wise daughter Minerva, surnamed Nyhellenia,

amongst the people from over the sea on a cloud to give people good counsel,

and that all who listened to her should become rich and happy,

and in the end masters of all the kingdoms of the earth.

They erected statues to her on all their altars,

they announced and [or] sold [them] to the simple [dumb] people

[they announced] advice that she had never given,

and related miracles

that she had never performed.

They erected statues of her on their altars

to beguile the stupid people.

They attributed all kinds of advice to her that she had never given,

and told of miracles

that she had never performed.

They cunningly made themselves masters of our laws and customs,

and by craft and subtlety were able to explain and spread them around.

By cunning they made themselves masters of our laws and customs

and by fallacies they wished to explain everything and expand thereon.

They appointed priestesses under their own care,

who were apparently under the protection of Festa, our first Eeremoeder [Mother of Honour],

to watch over the holy lamp;

They appointed matrons under their own authority,

who were ostensibly under the authority of Fasta, our first Honorary Mother,

to watch over the sacred lamp.

but that lamp they lit themselves,

and instead of imbuing the priestesses with wisdom,

and then sending them

to watch the sick

and educate the young,

they made them stupid and ignorant,

and never allowed them to come out.

That lamp, however, they lit themselves

and instead of imbuing the priestesses with wisdom,

and then sending them

amongst the people to nurse the sick

and educate the young,

they made them stupid and ignorant,

and never allowed them to come out.

They were employed as advisers,

but the advice which seemed to come from them

was but the repetition of the behests of the priests.

They were also employed as advisers,

but they only pretended that the advice came from their mouths;

they were nothing more than the mouth pieces through which the priests announced their desires.

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Criticism of religions in OLB

Worship of "BYLDON" (statues or images) - fragment 4 of 14

In the following fragment, statues/ images are not explicitly mentioned, but there are to references to idol-worship of the Sídon priests; festivals with wine & wanton women (orgies?), and child-sacrifice.

The term used for idols here is DROCHTEN (miss-spelled as DROCTEN)/ DROCHTNE.

Two other fragments are underlined: about trade of jewelry and the kidnapping of girls.

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OLB p.[060/23]-[061/27]: copied 600 BC from Waraburg or Stavia, about Gola and child-sacrifice (after Tunis' travels)

THA GOLA. ALSA HÉTON. THA SÀNDALINGA.PRESTERA SÍDON.IS.

THA GOLA HÉDON WEL SJAN THET ET LAND THÉR SKÀRES BIFOLKAD WAS

ÀND FÉR FON THÉR MODER WÉRE.

VMB IRA SELVA NW EN GODE SKIN TO JÉVANE.

LÉTON HJA RA SELVA IN VSA TÁL AN.A.TROW E.WÍDENA HÉTA.

MEN THAT WÉRE BÉTRE WÉST.

AS HJA RA SELVA FON THÉRE TROW E.WENDENA NÔMATH HÉDE.

JEFTA KIRT WÉI TRJV.WENDNE

LIK VSA STJURAR LÉTER DÉN HÀVE.

THÁ HJA WEL SÉTON WÉRON

THA WANDELDON HJARA KÁPLJUDA SKÉNE KÁPRE WÉPNE

ÀND ALLERLÉJA SÍRHÉDON TOFARA VSA ÍSERE WÉPNE ÀND WILDE DIARA HUDA.

WÉRFON IN VSA SÛDER LANDA FÉLO TO BIKVMA WÉRON.

MEN THA GOLA FÍRADON ALLERHÁNA WLA DROCTEN LIKA FÉRSTA

ÁND TO TÍANDE THA KÁDHÉMAR THÉRA THRVCH TODVAN HJARAR HORIGA MANGHÉRTNE

ÀND THA SWÉT.HÉD FON HJARA FININNIGE WIN.

WAS THÉR HWA FON VS FOLK THÉR.ET ALSA ÀRG VRBRUD HÉDE

THAT SIN LIF IN FRÉSE KÉM

THAN LÉNADON THA GOLA HIM HUL ÀND SKUL

ÀND FORADON HIM NÉI PHONISJA. THAT IS PALM.LAND.

WAS HI THÉR SÉTEN

THÀN MOST.I AN SINA SIBBA ÀND FRIANDA ÀND ÁTHA SKRIWA

THAT.ET LAND SÁ GOD WÉRE ÀND THA MÀNNISKA SÁ LUKLIK

AS NINMÀN HIN SELVA MOCHT FORBYLDE.

A BRITTANJA WÉRON RJU FÉLO MANNA THA LITH WIVA.

THÁ THA GOLA THAT WISTON.

LÉTON HJA ALWÉIS MANGHÉRTNE SKÁKA

ÀND THESSA JAVON HJA THA BRITNE VMB NAWET.

THACH AL THISSA MANGHÉRTNE WÉRON HJARA THJANSTERUM

THÉR THA BERN FON WR.ÁLDA STOLON

VMBAR AN HJARA FALSKE DROCHTNE TO JÉVANE.

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Ottema p.85

De Golen, zoo heetten de zendeling-priesters van Sydon,

hadden wel gezien dat het land daar schaars bevolkt was

en ver van de Moeder was.

Om nu zich zelven een goeden schijn te geven,

lieten zij zich zelve in onze taal aan de trouw gewijden heeten,

maar dat was beter geweest,

als zij zich zelve van de trouw gewenden genoemd hadden

of kort weg Triuwenden,

gelijk onze zeelieden later gedaan hebben.

Toen zij wel gezeten waren,

ruilden hunne kooplieden schoone koperen wapenen

en allerlei sieraden tegen onze ijzeren wapenen en huiden van wilde dieren,

die in onze zuidelijke landen in menigte te bekomen waren,

maar de Golen vierden allerhande vuile gedrochtelijke feesten,

en dan dienden de Kadheimers die door toedoen van hunne wulpsche [hoerige] meisjes

en de zoetheid van hunne vergiftige wijn.

Was er iemand van ons volk die het zoo erg verbruid had,

dat zijn leven in gevaar kwam,

dan verleenden de Golen hem heul en schuilplaats,

en voerden hem naar Phonisia, dat is Palmland.

Was hij daar gezeten,

dan moest hij aan zijne bloedverwanten, vrienden en aanverwanten schrijven,

dat het land zoo goed was en de menschen zoo gelukkig,

als niemand zich konde verbeelden.

In Brittania waren zeer vele mannen, doch weinig vrouwen,

toen de Golen dat wisten,

lieten zij allerwege meisjes schaken,

en deze gaven zij aan de Britten om niet.

Doch al deze meisjes waren hunne dienaren

die kinderen van Wralda stalen

om ze aan hunne valsche afgoden te geven.

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Sandbach p.85

The Golen, as the missionary priests of Sidon were called,

had observed that the land there was thinly peopled,

and was far from the mother.

In order to make a favourable impression,

they had themselves called in our language followers of the truth [or: dedicated to loyalty];

but they had better

have been called abstainers from the truth [or: avoiding loyalty],

or, in short, "Triuwenden,"

as our seafaring people afterwards called them.

When they were well established,

their merchants exchanged their beautiful copper weapons

and all sorts of jewels for our iron weapons and hides of wild beasts,

which were abundant in our southern countries;

but the Golen celebrated all sorts of vile and monstrous ['idol-like'] festivals,

which the inhabitants of the coast promoted with their wanton women

and sweet poisonous wine.

If any of our people had so conducted himself

that his life was in danger,

the Golen afforded him a refuge,

and sent him to Phonisia, that is, Palmland.

When he was settled there,

they made him write to his family, friends, and connections

that the country was so good and the people so happy

that no one could form any idea of [imagine] it.

In Britain there were plenty of men, but few women.

When the Golen knew this,

they carried off girls everywhere

and gave them to the Britons for nothing.

So all these girls served their purpose

to steal children from Wr-alda

in order to give them to [their] false gods [idols].

Edited by Otharus

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But Dietsch is.

We are talking about an old Duytch language, can we speak it please.

Englisch can also be seen as West-Flemish Creolor :-) No offence.

A mong tis luttel is-simple (s-ample). A sampeltje zoals wij zeggen.

Abe, Delahaye looks for the truth and Ijpelaan aknowledges that.

Alvorens iemand nog stellig wil verklaren dat Amorem níet hetzelfde is als van Armorica en ook de band met de Chamaven wil handhaven is het nuttig dat hij eerst het geheel van de bronnen over de Chamavi raadpleegt (12), net als die over Armorica, al te meer omdat er voor Amore geen enkele alternatieve localisatie voorhanden is. De Chamavi waren Franken (13) en in de documentatie van Armorica komen veel spellingsvarianten van de naam voor (14).

In De Franken in Nederland zijn de andere traditionalistische localisaties van de liefdesrivier Amore (Eems, Eem en Amer bij Amersfoort) achterwege gebleven, waarmee wordt toegegeven dat deze plaats in Nederland nergens met enige zekerheid kan worden aangewezen en er wordt zonder enige opgaaf van redenen volgehouden dat het om een rivier gaat.

And about 'wanting something', I think some others have good experience in that.

Why do you want (same way you say about Delahaye) to deny closer and more obvious links than always that Hebrew story?

Van Gorp, this is an international forum with English as language to converse.

Maybe Diets was some sort of lingua franca more than 1000 years ago, but it isn't now.

You could as well start using latin.

And "Armorem" was based on VandeMaele's mistake: the Lex Frisionum never mentions it.

And what's wrong with "that Hebrew story"? If you didn't forget everything you learned in highschool, then you should know the Jews travelled along with Phoenician and Greek merchants and settled everywhere around the Med. The name they used for themselves or people like them was "GOLA".

Then, the Phoenicians and Jews were as close as 2 fingers of one hand, plus that already in ancient times many Jews lived in Sidon, Phoenicia.

.

Edited by Abramelin

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Criticism of religions in OLB

Worship of "BYLDON" (statues or images) - fragment 5 of 14

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OLB p.[072/22]-[073/02]: from Fryasburg, Texland, about the Gértmanna leaving Athens, ca. 1550 BC (after Minerva had died)

AS THA PRESTERA SAGON

THAT THJA HJARA HERING NAVT VP VSA FJVR BRÉDA NE MACHTON.

THÁ GVNGON HJA BUTA ÁTHENJA

ÀND SÉIDON THAT WI MINERVA NAVT TO.NE GODENE BIKÀNA NILDE UT NÍD

VMBE THAT HJU THA INHÉMAR SÁ FÚL LIAFDE BIWÉSEN HÉDE

FORTH JAVON HJA THAT FOLK BYLDNISSE FON HIRA LIKNESS

TJÚGANDE THAT HJA THÉRAN ELLA FRÉJA MACHTE

ALSANAKA HJA HÉROCH BILÉWON.

THRVCH AL THISSA TELLINGA

WARTH THÀT DVMA FOLK FON VS OFKÉRAD.

ÀND TO THA LESTA FÍLON HJA VS TO LIF.

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Ottema p.101

Als de priesters zagen,

dat zij hunne haring op ons vuur niet mochten braden,

gingen zij buiten Athene

en zeiden, dat wij Minerva niet als eene Godin wilden bekennen uit nijd,

omdat zij de inlanders zooveel liefde had bewezen.

Daarop gaven zij het volk beeldtenissen van hare gelijkenis,

betuigende dat zij daaraan alles mochten vragen,

zoo lang zij gehoorzaam bleven.

Door al deze verhalen

werd het domme volk van ons afkeerig gemaakt,

en ten laatsten vielen zij ons te lijf.

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Sandbach p.101

When the priests saw

that they could not fry their herrings on our fire (have everything their own way),

they left Athens,

and said that we refused to acknowledge Min-erva as a goddess out of envy,

because she had shown so much affection to the natives.

Thereupon they gave the people statues of her,

declaring that they might ask of them whatever they liked,

as long as they were obedient to her.

By these kinds of tales

the stupid [dumb] people were estranged from us,

and at last they attacked us;

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Lol, Van Gorp, a bit more about "that Hebrew story"':

Ibrahim ibn Yaqub al-Tartushi, a late 10th-century traveller from al-Andalus, provides one of the most colourful and often quoted descriptions of life in Hedeby. Al-Tartushi was from Cordoba in Spain, which had a significantly more wealthy and comfortable lifestyle than Hedeby. While Hedeby may have been significant by Scandinavian standards, Al-Tartushi was unimpressed:

"Slesvig (Hedeby) is a very large town at the extreme end of the world ocean.... The inhabitants worship Sirius, except for a minority of Christians who have a church of their own there.... He who slaughters a sacrificial animal puts up poles at the door to his courtyard and impales the animal on them, be it a piece of cattle, a ram, billygoat or a pig so that his neighbors will be aware that he is making a sacrifice in honor of his god. The town is poor in goods and riches. People eat mainly fish which exist in abundance. Babies are thrown into the sea for reasons of economy. The right to divorce belongs to the women.... Artificial eye make-up is another peculiarity; when they wear it their beauty never disappears, indeed it is enhanced in both men and women. Further: Never did I hear singing fouler than that of these people, it is a rumbling emanating from their throats, similar to that of a dog but even more bestial."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedeby

Abraham ben Jacob, better known under his Arabic name of Ibrâhîm ibn Ya`qûb (al-Tartushi [often like this instead of 'al-Ṭurṭûshî']) was a 10th century Hispano-Arabic, plausibly Sephardi Jewish, traveller, probably a merchant, whose brief may have included diplomacy and espionage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibrahim_ibn_Yaqub_al-Tartushi

So we have another 'watch-star' : Sirius.

And another possible source for introducing those Hindu-Arabic ciphers into nordic lands.

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By these kinds of tales

the stupid [dumb] people were estranged from us,

and at last they attacked us;

Otharus, you may not like the word "stupid" in that sentence, but although "dumb" is closests (in English) to the original word, it is most often used in connection with silence, or not being able to speak or being without words.

It's obvious from the context that "stupid" is meant.

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Otharus, you may not like the word "stupid" in that sentence, but although "dumb" is closests (in English) to the original word, it is most often used in connection with silence, or not being able to speak or being without words.

It's obvious from the context that "stupid" is meant.

Aha, you're right. Thanks for that. No problems with the word stupid, just assumed that the English "dumb" would be equal to the Dutch "dom" and the German "dumm".

I was thinking about the movie "dumb & dumber", about two nitwits (but I never saw it).

Edited by Otharus

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Aha, you're right. Thanks for that. No problems with the word stupid, just assumed that the English "dumb" would be equal to the Dutch "dom" and the German "dumm".

I was thinking about the movie "dumb & dumber", about two nitwits (but I never saw it).

Lol, ok, I stand corrected.

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Knul mentioned "Occo Scarlensis" recently, and we have discussed the Frisian mythology he is supposed to have 'invented' though there are those who say others may have done so and claimed they had only copied these myths from this same Occo.

Because of all that it is suggested this Scarlensis (or in Dutch, "van Scarl") is the "Okke" in the beginning of the OLB ("Okke, my son"), the son of Hidde over de Linden.

What does the name mean?

Åke är ett mansnamn av varierande ursprung. De nordiska varianterna (Aake, Aage, Áki, Oke, Ocke, Ooke, Åke) anses vara en en gammal diminutivform av ett ord som betydde anfader, áki på fornnordiska eller anihho på fornhögtyska. Namnet skulle alltså kunna uttolkas som lillefar eller liknande. De frisiska varianterna (Aage, Age, Hauke, Ocke, Ocko, Oke, Okke, Okko) är smeknamn för namn som börjar på förstavelsen "Ot-", vilket betydde egendom eller rikedom på fornhögtyska.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%85ke

Ake is a male name of various origins. The Scandinavian variants (Aake, Aage, Aki, Oke, Ocke, Ooke, Ake) is considered an old diminutive of a word that meant ancestor, Aki in Old Norse or anihho in Old High German. The name could thus be interpreted as "little father", "daddy" or the like. The Frisian variants (Aage, Age, Hauke, Ocke, Ocko, Oke, Okke, Okko) is the nickname for names beginning with the prefix "Ot-', which meant property or wealth in the Old High German.

If you go check the origin of the name "Okke" or Occo, Ocke and so on, than often you will read it is possibly derived from "Otto".

What else could it mean?

De naam komt waarschijnlijk van de mansnaam Okke of Ox die is afgeleid van os of stier.

The name probably comes from the male first name "Okke" or "Ox" that is derived from "ox" or "bull".

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okswerd

So we have "daddy", "bull" and "wealth/property" as possible meanings for "Okke". "Ox/bull" as cattle was equal to "property/wealth".

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EDIT:

An Occo in a document - see photocopy - from 1245:

http://www.cartago.nl/img/kla0006_001.jpg

Oldermannen en universitas van Groningen verklaren dat de weduwe Alfgerdis en Occo en Gerhardus, haar beide zoons, hebben verkocht aan het klooster te Jesse (and not "Essen" as the website says!) al hun goederen, geheten Bona Ebedingonum.

Aldermen and universtas of Groningen declare that the Alfgerdis widow and both her sons Occo and Gerhardus, have sold all their property, the Ebedingen estate, to the Jesse monastery.

Aldermans ac universitas in Groninge omnibus presentem paginam inspec-

turis salutem in domino. Cum secundum varietatem temporis statuta varientur humana

ideo provida modernorum decrevit industria, quique sui temporis ista facta describere et

ea sic perpetue memorie commandare. Unde notum esse volumus universis quod Alf-

gerdis vidua et duo filii eius Occo et Gergardus cives nostri bona ipsorum quae Jesse

habuerunt cum omnibus attinentiis suis quae bona Ebedingonum nuncupantur

conventui de Jesse pro mille et quadringentis libris vendiderunt libere et absolute.

Ne vero inde ulla ambiguitas oriatur hanc paginam sigilli nostri munimine

fecimus roborari. Nomina vero testium qui presentes erant hec sunt: Willem Hamingus,

Occo Hornecinge, Nicolaus Papa, Thidmarus, Uuddi, Remgerus aurifaber, Dodo Ebbinga

scultetus, Ado, Alaydus Lupus, Andreas Oircke, Sigebertus, dominus Jacobus, deinde Thizo, domini

Bartoldi Huginge filius, Laurencius, Henricus, Egbertus decanus, Jacobus Lupus, Alardus filius

domini Alburgis, Brundo filius domini Enonis, Herdricus de Lare, Rodolfus de Bilrebeke, Ger-

ardus Bogecinga, iuvenis Eno, Winricus domini Johannis filius et omnes aldermanni et cives

nostri et cives de Heltmen. Acta sunt hec Groninge anno domini MCCXLV, XVIII kalendas decembris.

http://www.cartago.nl/oorkonde/kla0006.xml

No, actually 2 Occo's : there's also a witness, ""Occo Hornecinge".

Not saying that one of these 2 Occos must be our OLB "Okke", but it's possible.

Hiddo was of course alive at 1256 AD, and here we read about a widow. She could have remarried, not uncommon already in those days.

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EDIT:

The monastery is called "Jesse" in the document, but it was also spelled as "Yesse" and later as "Essen":

http://82.168.69.203/nazatendevries/Artikelen%20en%20Colums/Kloosters/Yesse/Het%20klooster%20Yesse%20bij%20Haren.html

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klooster_Yesse

http://www.kloosteryesse.nl/

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Criticism of religions in OLB

Worship of "BYLDON" / "BILDON" (statues or images) - fragment 6 of 14

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OLB p.[077/22]-[079/10]: written on wall Fryasburg 1200 BC (copied 600 BC), about Athénia's decline

TOFÁRA WRDON ALLE SÉKUM BINN ÁTHÉNJA IN VSA TÁL BITHONGON

ÀFTERNÉI MOSTET IN BÉDE TÁLA SKÉN

ÀND TO LESTA ALLÉNA INTHA LANDIS TAL.

IN THA ÉROSTA JÉRA NAM THAT MANFOLK TO ÁTHÉNJA ENKEL WIVA FON VS AJN SLACHT

MEN THAT JONGKFOLK VPWOXEN MITHA MANGÉRTA THÉR LANDSÁTON NAMON THÉR ÁK FON.

THA BÁSTERA BERN THAM THÉROF KEMON

WÉRON THA SKÉNSTA ÀND SNODSTA JN WRALDA

MEN HJA WÉRON ÁK THA ÀRGSTA.

~

TO HINKANDE VR BYDE SÍDA.

TO MÁLANDE HER VM SÉDA NER VM PLÉGA

HIT NE SY THAT ET WÉRE FOR HJARA AJNE HELD.

ALSA NÁKA THÉR JETA.N STRÉL FON FRYA.S GÁST WELDANDE

WÉRE WÀRTH AL ET BVW.SPUL TO MÉNA WERKA FORWROCHTEN

ÀND NIMMÀN NE MACHT EN HUS TO BVWANDE

THÀT RUMER ÀND RIKKER WÉRE AS THÀT SINRA NÉSTUM.

THA THÁ SVME VRBASTERE STÉDJAR RIK WÉRON

THRVCH VS FÁRA ÀND THRVCH ET SULVER

THÀT THA SLÁVONA UTA SULVER.LÔNA WNNON

THÁ GVNGON HJA BUTA VPPA HELLINGA JEFTA INDA DÉLA HÉMA.

THÉR BEFTHA HÁGA WALLUM FON LÁF THA FON STÉN

BVWADON HJA HOVA MITH KESTLIK HUSARK.

ÀND VMBE BY THA WLA PRESTRUM INEN GODA HROP TO WÉSANDE

STÀLDON HJA THÉR FALSKA DROCHTEN LIKANDA ÀND VNTUCHTIGA BILDA IN.

BY THA WLA PRESTRUM ÀND FORSTUM

WRDON THA KNÁPA ALTOMET MÁRA GÉRT AS THA TOGHATERA.

ÀND FÁKEN THRVCH RIKA JEFTA THA THRVCH WELD

FON ET PAD THÉRE DÜGED OF HLÉID.

NÉIDAM RIKDOM BY THÀT VRBRÚDE ÀND VRBASTERDE SLACHT FÉR BOPPA DÜGED ÀND ÉRE JELDE.

SACH MÀN ALTOMET KNÁPA THAM HJARA SELVA MITH RUMA RIKA KLÁTAR SÍRADON.

HJARA ALDRUM ÀND FÁMNA TO SKÔNDA ÀND HJARA KUNNA TO SPOT.

~

KÉMON VSA ÉNFALDA ALDERA TO ÁTHÉNJA VPPE THÉRE MÉNA ACHT

ÀND WILDON HJA THÉRVR BÁRE SÁ WARTH THER HROPEN

HARK - HARK THÉR SKIL EN SÉ.MOMMA KÉTHA.

ALSA IS ÁTHÉNJA WRDON

É.LIK EN BROKLAND ANDA HÉTE LANDA.

FOL BLODSÚGAR POGGA ÀND FENINIGA SNÁKA.

HWÉR IN NÉN MÀNNISK FON HERDE SÉDUM SIN FOT NAVT WÁGA NE MÉI.

- - - - -

Ottema p.109

Te voren werden alle zaken binnen Athene in onze taal bepleit,

naderhand moest het in beide talen geschieden,

en ten laatste alleen in de landstaal.

In de eerste jaren nam het manvolk te Athene enkel vrouwen van ons eigen geslacht,

maar het jongvolk opgewassen met de meisjes der landzaten namen daar ook van.

De basterd kinderen die daarvan kwamen,

waren de schoonste en schranderste van de wereld,

maar zij waren ook de slechtste.

Hinkende over beide zijden,

zich bekreunende noch om wet, noch om gewoonte,

tenzij dat het was voor hun eigen belang.

Alzoo lang er nog een straal van Fryas geest opwelde,

werd al de bouwstof tot gemeene werken verarbeid,

en niemand mocht een huis bouwen,

dat ruimer en rijker was als dat van zijn buurman.

Doch toen sommige verbasterde stedelingen rijk waren

door onze zeevaart en door het zilver,

dat de slaven uit de zilverlanden wonnen,

gingen zij buiten op de hellingen (der bergen) of in de dalen wonen.

Aldaar achter hooge wallen van loof of van steen,

bouwden zij hoven (paleizen) met kostbaar huisraad,

en om bij de vuile priesteren in een goeden dunk te wezen,

plaatsten zij daar op valsche goden gelijkende en ontuchtige beelden in.

Bij de vuile priesteren en vorsten

werden soms de knapen meer begeerd, als de dochteren,

en vaak door rijke giften of door geweld

van het pad der deugd afgeleid.

Naardien rijkdom bij het verwende en verbasterde geslacht ver boven deugd en eere gold,

zag men altemet knapen, die zich met wijde prachtige kleederen versierden,

hunne ouders en de maagden tot schande en hunne sekse ten spot.

Kwamen onze eenvoudige ouders te Athene op de algemeene volksvergadering,

en wilden daar zich beklagen, dan werd er geroepen:

hoor, hoor, daar zal een zeegedrocht spreken.

Zoo is Athene geworden,

gelijk een moeras in de heete landen

vol bloedzuigers, padden en vergiftige slangen,

waarin geen mensch van strenge zeden zijn voet kan wagen.

- - - - -

Sandbach p.109

Formerly all the cases in Athens were pleaded in our language,

but afterwards in both languages,

and at last in the native language only.

At first the men of Athens only married women of our own race,

but the young men as they grew up with the girls of the country took them to wife.

The ba$t@rd children of this connection

were the handsomest and cleverest in the world;

but they were likewise the wickedest,

wavering between the two parties,

paying no regard to laws or customs

except where they suited their own interests.

As long as a ray of Frya's spirit existed,

all the building materials were for common use,

and no one might build a house

larger or better than his neighbours;

but when some degenerate townspeople got rich

by sea-voyages and by the silver

that their slaves got in the silver countries,

they went to live out on the hills or in the valleys.

There, behind high enclosures of trees or walls,

they built palaces with costly furniture,

and in order to remain in good odour with the nasty priests,

they placed there likenesses of false gods and unchaste statues.

Sometimes the dirty priests and princes

wished for the boys rather than the girls,

and often led them astray from the paths of virtue

by rich presents or by force.

Because riches were more valued by this lost and degenerate race than virtue or honour,

one sometimes saw boys dressed in splendid flowing robes,

to the disgrace of their parents and maidens, and to the shame of their own sex.

If our simple parents came to a general assembly at Athens

and made complaints, a cry was raised,

Hear, hear! there is a sea-monster going to speak.

Such is Athens become,

like a morass in a tropical country

full of leeches, toads, and poisonous snakes,

in which no man of decent habits can set his foot.

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Did anyone notice those 'thingies' that look like the OLB tildes in the document in my former post?

A screenshot:

post-18246-0-66921600-1329995156_thumb.j

http://www.cartago.nl/img/kla0006_001.jpg

And you will see the document is full with corrections. Wouldn't it be nice if the -X- in MCCXLV was also a mistake?? :P In that case the date would be MCCLV = 1255, the date the OLB almost got destroyed by a flood. But our Hiddo would have had serious health problems, his wife being a widow and all that...

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Criticism of religions in OLB

Worship of "BYLDON" / "BILDON" (statues or images)

Otharus, when I read your latest posts, I have to think of this:

Iconoclastic Fury or "Beeldenstorm", 1566:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beeldenstorm

11799.jpg

450px-Guy_B6.JPG

450px-UtrechtIconoclasm.jpg

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Did anyone notice those 'thingies' that look like the OLB tildes in the document in my former post?

A screenshot:

post-18246-0-66921600-1329995156_thumb.j

http://www.cartago.nl/img/kla0006_001.jpg

And you will see the document is full with corrections. Wouldn't it be nice if the -X- in MCCXLV was also a mistake?? :P In that case the date would be MCCLV = 1255, the date the OLB almost got destroyed by a flood. But our Hiddo would have had serious health problems, his wife being a widow and all that...

I hope someone is willing to read the document because my Latin is a 'bit' rusty.

But the next line looks quite interesting (assuming Google Translator did not make a mess out of it):

pro mille et quadringentis libris vendiderunt libere et absolute

for fourteen hundred books sold and absolutely free.

Fourteen hundred books???

.

Edited by Abramelin

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Criticism of religions in OLB

Worship of "BYLDA" (statues or images) of "DROCHTNE" (idols or false gods) - fragment 7 of 14

- - - - -

OLB p.[100/02] - [101/20]: Appollanja's book; 2nd part of Formlér

EMONG FINDA.S FOLK SEND WAN.WÍSA.

THÉR THRVCH HJARA OVER.FINDINGRIKHÉD AL SA ÀRG SEND EWERDEN

THÀT HJA HJARA SELVA WIS MÁKJA ÀND THA INEWIDA BITJUGA

THÀT HJA THET BESTA DÉL SEND FON WR.ALDA.

THET HJARA GÁST THET BESTE DÉL IS FON WR.ALDA.S GÁST

ÀND THET WR.ALDA ALLÉNA MÉI THÀNKJA THRVCH HELPE HJAR.IS BRYN.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ .

THÀT AIDER SKEPSLE EN DÉL IS FON VVR.ALDA.S VNENDLIK WÉSA

THÀT HÀVON HJA FON VS GÁBAD.

~

MEN HJARA FALXE RÉDNE ÀND HJARA TÀMLÁSE HÁCH.FAREN HÉD

HETH RA VPPEN DWÁLWÉI BROCHT.

WÉRE HJARA GÁST WR.ALDA.S GÁST

SÁ SKOLDE WR.ALDA ÉL DVM WÉSA

IN STÉDE FON LICHT AND WIS.

HWAND HJARA GÁST SLÁVTH HIM SELVA IMMER OF VMBE SKÉNE BYLDA TO MÁKJANDE

THÉR Y ÀFTERNÉI ANBID.

~

MEN FINDAS FOLK IS EN ÀRG FOLK.

HWAND AFSKÉN THA WAN.WÍSA THÉRA. HJARA SELVA WIS MÁKJA

THÀT HJA DROCHTNE SEND.

SA HÀVON HJA TO FÁRA THA VN.EWIDA FALXA DROCHTNE.ESKÉPEN.

TO KÉTHANDE ALLER WÉIKES

THÀT THISSA DROCHTNE WRALDA ESKÉPEN HÀVE.

MITH AL HWAT THÉR INNE IS.

~

GÍRIGA DROCHTNE FVL NÍD ÀND TORN.

THAM ÉRATH ÀND THJANATH WILLATH WÉSA.

THRVCH THA MÀNNISKA.

THÉR BLOD ÀND OFFER WILLA ÀND SKÁT ASKJA.

~

MEN THI WAN.WISA FALXA MANNA

THAM HJARA SELVA GODIS SKALKA JEFTHA PRESTERA NOMA LÉTA.

BÜRATH ÀND SÁMNATH ÀND GETTHATH ALDAM TOFARA DROCHTNE

THÉRER NAVT NE SEND

VMBET SELVA TO BIHALDANDE.

ALDAM BIDRÍWATH HJA MITH EN RUM EMOD.

THRVCHDAM HJA HJARA SELVA DROCHTNE WÁNE

THÉR AN NINMAN ANDERT SKELDICH NE SEND.

SEND THÉR SVME THAM HJARA RENKA FRODA ÀNDET BÁR MAKJA

ALSA WRDON HJA THRVCH HJARA RAKKERA FÀT ÀND VMBIRA LASTER VRBARNAD

ELLA MITH FÉLO STÁTSKA PLÉGUM

HJARA FALXA DROCHNE TO.N ÉRE.

MEN IN TRVTH. ALLÉNA THÉRVMBE THÀT HJA.RA NAVT SKÁDA NE SKOLDE.

~

TILTHJU VSA BERN NW WÉPNED MÜGE WÉSA TOJENST HJARA DROCHTEN LIKA LÉRE

ALSA HÁGON THA FÁNNA HJAM FON BUTA TO LÉRANDE

HWAT HÍR SKIL FOLGJA.

- - - - -

Ottema p.139

Onder Findas volk zijn wanwijzen,

die door hunne overvindingrijkheid zoo boos zijn geworden,

dat zij zich zelven wijs maken en de ingewijden doen gelooven,

dat zij het beste deel zijn van Wralda;

dat hun geest het beste deel is van Wralda’s geest,

en dat Wralda alleen kan denken door hulp van hun brein.

Dat ieder schepsel een deel is van Wralda’s oneindig wezen,

dat hebben zij van ons gestolen.

Maar hunne valsche redeneering en hunne toomelooze hoovaardigheid

heeft hen op een dwaalweg gebracht.

Ware hun geest Wraldas geest,

dan zoude Wralda heel dom wezen,

in plaats van verstandig en wijs.

Want hun geest slooft zich altijd af om schoone beelden te maken,

die zij naderhand aanbidden.

Maar Findas volk is een boos volk,

want ofschoon de wanwijzen onder hen zich zelven wijsmaken,

dat zij goden zijn,

zoo hebben zij voor de oningewijden valsche goden geschapen,

en verkondigen allerwege

dat deze afgoden de wereld geschapen hebben,

met alles wat daar in is;

gierige afgoden vol nijd en toorn,

die gediend en geëerd willen wezen,

door de menschen;

die bloed en offer willen en schatting eischen.

Maar die wanwijze valsche mannen,

die zich zelf godsdienaren of priesteren laten noemen,

beuren en zamelen en vergaderen dat alles voor afgoden,

die niet bestaan,

om het zelf te behouden.

Dat alles bedrijven zij met een ruim gemoed,

naardien zij zich zelven goden wanen,

die aan niemand antwoord schuldig zijn.

Zijn er sommigen die hunne ranken bevroeden en openbaar maken,

zoo worden zij door hunne rakkers gevat en om hunnen laster verbrand,

alles met vele statelijke plegtigheden

ter eere der valsche goden.

Maar in trouwe, alleen opdat zij hun niet schaden zouden.

Opdat onze kinderen gewapend mogen wezen tegen hunne afgodische leer,

zoo behooren de maagden hen te doen van buiten leeren,

wat hier zal volgen.

- - - - -

Sandbach p.139

Among Finda's people there are false teachers [pseudo-wise],

who, by their over-inventiveness, have become so wicked

that they make themselves and their adherents believe

that they are the best part of Wr-alda,

that their spirit is the best part of Wr-alda's spirit,

and that Wr-alda can only think by the help of their brains.

That every creature is a part of Wr-alda's eternal being,

that they have stolen from us;

but their false reasoning and ungovernable pride

have brought them on the road to ruin [in a labyrynth].

If their spirit was Wr-alda's spirit,

then Wr-alda would be very stupid,

instead of being sensible and wise;

for their spirit labours to create beautiful statues,

which they afterwards worship.

Finda's people are a wicked people,

for although they [the pseudo-wise] presumptuously pretend among themselves

that they are gods,

they proclaim the unconsecrated false gods,

and declare everywhere

that these idols created the world

and all that therein is—

greedy idols, full of envy and anger,

who desire to be served and honoured

by the people,

and who exact [demand] bloody sacrifices and rich offerings;

but these presumptuous and false men,

who call themselves God's servants and priests,

receive and collect everything in the name of the idols

that have no real existence,

for their own benefit.

They do all this with an easy conscience,

as they think themselves gods

not answerable to any one.

If there are some who discover their tricks and expose them,

they hand them over to the executioners to be burnt for their calumnies,

with solemn ceremonies

in honour of the false gods;

but really in order to save themselves.

In order that our children may be protected against their idolatrous doctrine,

the duty of the maidens is to make them learn by heart

the following:

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"Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God..." (King James Bible, Exodus 20:4,5).

"I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images." Isaiah 42:8

"Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made." Isaiah 2:8

http://www.lovethetruth.com/false_religion/catholicism/idol_worship.htm

:w00t:

+++++++++++

On the Germanic tribes, the Roman historian Tacitus writes the following: "They don't consider it mighty enough for the Heavens to depict Gods on walls or to display them in some human shape.".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm

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"I the LORD thy God am a jealous God" (King James Bible, Exodus 20:4,5).

"I am the LORD: that is my name" —Isaiah 42:8

Interestingly, nowhere in the OLB is it suggested that Wralda would speak to people in any way, it is not even suggested Wralda is anything humanlike.

It is typical for the sort of priests that were so much hated by the OLB-Fryans, to suggest they knew what "God" would think or say.

According to the OLB, Wralda is all (the whole), and humans are only a part of it.

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Interestingly, nowhere in the OLB is it suggested that Wralda would speak to people in any way, it is not even suggested Wralda is anything humanlike.

It is typical for the sort of priests that were so much hated by the OLB-Fryans, to suggest they knew what "God" would think or say.

According to the OLB, Wralda is all (the whole), and humans are only a part of it.

Yes, and what many Christians object to is the Catholic way of 'creating' saints, holy people, and the whole circus around it.

Btw, these Fryans did indeed suggest they 'knew' what Wralda wanted and desired; it's all over the OLB.

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Btw, these Fryans did indeed suggest they 'knew' what Wralda wanted and desired; it's all over the OLB.

You mean things like:

[012/10] Tex Frya's

5. FJUWER THINGA SEND TO JVWE NOT JÉVEN. MITH NÁMA. LÔFT. WÉTER. LÁND ÀND FJUR.

MEN WR.ALDA WIL THÉR ALLÉNA BÍSITTAR OF WÉSA.

It's merely suggested that Wralda controls the elements (air, water, land, fire).

Nothing like "I am your god, you have to serve and obey me."

Or can you give an example of what you mean?

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You mean things like:

[012/10] Tex Frya's

5. FJUWER THINGA SEND TO JVWE NOT JÉVEN. MITH NÁMA. LÔFT. WÉTER. LÁND ÀND FJUR.

MEN WR.ALDA WIL THÉR ALLÉNA BÍSITTAR OF WÉSA.

It's merely suggested that Wralda controls the elements (air, water, land, fire).

Nothing like "I am your god, you have to serve and obey me."

Or can you give an example of what you mean?

I don't mean to say Wralda speaks anywhere, only that people assume that Wralda approves of this or doesn't appove of that, or that something is not according to the will of Wralda... as though they know what Wralda wants and so on.

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Criticism of religions in OLB

Worship of "BYLDA" (statues or images) of "DROCHTNE" (idols or false gods) - fragment 8 of 14

- - - - -

OLB p.[114/04]-[115/08]: Frethorik's book, ca. 300 BC; another bad time

IN MIN JÜGED HÉRD.IK GRÉDWIRD ALOMME.

ÀRGE TID KÉM

ÀRGE TID WAS KVMEN

~

FRYA HÉD.VS LÉTEN.

HJRA WÁK.FÁMKES HÉDE HJU ABEFTA HALDEN.

HWAND DROCHTEN-LIKANDA BYLDA WÉRON BINNA VSA LÁND.PÀLA FVNDEN.

~

IK BRÔNDE FON NYS.GÍR. VMBE THI BYLDA TO BISJAN.

~

IN VSA BÚRT STROMPELE EN ÔLD.FÁMKE TO THA HUSA UTA IN.

IMMER TO KÉTHANDE VR ÀRGE TID.

~

IK GÍRDE HJA LING.SÍDE.

HJU STRIK MI OMME KIN TO.

NW WRD.IK DRIST

ÀND FRÉJE JEF HJU MI ÀRGE TID ÀND THA BYLDA RÉIS WISA WILDE.

HJU LAKTE GODLIK

ÀND BROCHT MI VPPER BURCH.

~

EN GRÉVA.MÀN.FRÉJE MY JEF IK AL LÉSA ÀND SKRÍVA KV.

NÉ SÉID.IK.

THÀN MOST ÉROST TO GA ÀND LÉRA SÉIDER

OWERS NE MÉI.T JOW NAVT WYSEN NI WRDE.

~

DYSTIK GVNG IK BI THA SKRIWER LÉRA.

~

ACHT JÉR LÉTTER HÉRD.IK

VSA BURCHFÁM HÉDE HORDOM BIDRYVEN

ÀND SVME BURCH.HÉRA HÉDON VRRÉD PLÉGAD MITH THA MÁGÍ.

ÀND FÉLO MÀNNISKA WÉRON VP HJARA SÍDA.

VVRAL KÉM TWISPALT.

THÉR WÉRON BERN THÉR VPSTANDON AJEN HJARA ELDRUM.

~

INNA GLUPPA WRDON THA FRODA MÀNNISKA MORTH.

THET ALDE FÁMK THÊR ELLA BÁR MÁKADE

WÀRTH DÁD FVNDEN IN.EN GRUPE.

MIN TÁT THÉR RJUCHTER WÉRE

WILDE HJA WRÉKEN HÁ.

NACHTIS WÀRHT.ER IN SIN HUS VRMORTH.

THRJU JÉR LÉTTER WÉR THENE MÁGÍ BÁS. SVNDER STRID.

THA SAXMÀNNA WÉRON FROME ÀND FROD BILYWEN.

NÉI THAM FLJUCHTON ALLE GODE MÀNNISKA.

- - - - -

Ottema p.159

In mijne jeugd hoorde ik klachten alomme:

booze tijd kwam;

booze tijd was gekomen;

Frya had ons verlaten;

zij had hare waakmeisjes terug gehouden;

want gedrochtelijke (afgods)beelden waren binnen onze landpalen gevonden.

Ik brande van nieuwsgierigheid om die beelden te zien.

In onze buurt strompelde een oud vrouwtje de huizen uit en in,

altijd roepende over de booze tijd.

Ik draaide haar op zijde.

Zij streek mij om de kin.

Nu werd ik vrijmoedig

en vroeg haar of zij mij de booze tijd en de beelden eens wilde toonen.

Zij lachte goedaardig,

en bragt mij op de burgt.

Een grijsaard vroeg mij of ik al lezen en schrijven kon.

Neen, zeide ik.

Dan moet gij eerst heengaan en leeren, zeide hij,

anders mag het u niet getoond worden.

Dagelijks ging ik bij den schrijver leeren.

Acht jaren later hoorde ik,

dat onze burgtmaagd ontucht had bedreven

en dat sommige burgtheeren verraad gepleegd hadden met den Magy.

En vele menschen waren op hunne zijde.

Overal kwam tweespalt.

Er waren kinderen, die opstonden tegen hunne ouders.

In ’t geheim werden de brave menschen vermoord.

Het oude vrouwtje, dat alles openbaar maakte,

werd dood gevonden in een gruppel.

Mijn vader, die rechter was,

wilde haar gewroken hebben.

Bij nacht werd hij in zijn huis vermoord.

Drie jaren later was de Magy meester zonder strijd.

De Saxmannen waren vroom en braaf gebleven.

Naar hen vluchtten alle goede menschen.

- - - - -

Sandbach p.159

In my youth I heard complaints on all sides.

The bad time was coming;

the bad time did come —

Frya had forsaken us.

She withheld from us all her watch-maidens,

because monstrous idolatrous images had been found within our landmarks.

I burnt with curiosity to see those images.

In our neighbourhood a little old woman tottered in and out of the houses,

always calling out about the bad times.

I came to her;

she stroked my chin;

then I became bold,

and asked her if she would show me the bad times and the images.

She laughed good-naturedly,

and took me to the citadel.

An old man asked me if I could read and write.

No, I said.

Then you must first go and learn, he replied,

otherwise it may not be shown to you.

I went daily to the writer and learnt.

Eight years afterwards I heard

that our Burgtmaagd had been unchaste,

and that some of the burgtheeren had committed treason with the Magy,

and many people took their part.

Everywhere disputes arose.

There were children rebelling against their parents;

good people were secretly murdered.

The little old woman who had brought everything to light

was found dead in a ditch.

My father, who was a judge,

would have her avenged.

He was murdered in the night in his own house.

Three years after that the Magy was master without any resistance.

The Saxmen had remained religious and upright.

All the good people fled to them.

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I don't mean to say Wralda speaks anywhere, only that people assume that Wralda approves of this or doesn't appove of that, or that something is not according to the will of Wralda... as though they know what Wralda wants and so on.

Here's two OLB-fragments about Wralda.

The first initially did not make sense to me, and I didn't like it,

until I realised that those 'books' have to be ment metaphorically.

The second fragment makes a lot of sense and is one of my favorite fragments.

I think it pretty much sums up how the Fryans related themselves to Wralda.

1) From: Form-lére (Apol-lánja) p.[099/07]

WR.ALDA IS THJU WISHÉD

ÀND THA ÉWA THÉR HJU TAVLIKT HETH.

SEND THA BOKA WÉRUT WY LÉRA MÜGE.

ÀND THÉR NIS NÉNE WISHÉD TO FINDANDE

NER TO GARJANDE BUTA THAM.

2) From: Other part of Form-lér (Apol-lánja) p.[103/05]

WY FRYA.S BERN SEND FORSKINSLA THRVCH WR.ALDA.S LÉVA.

~

BY T.ANFANG MIN ÀND BLÁT.

THACH IMMER WÀRTHANDE ÀND NÁKANDE TO FVLKVMENLIKHÉD.

SVNDER Á SA GOD TO WRDA AS WR.ALDA SELVA.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~

VSA GÁST NIS NAVT WR.ALDAS GÁST.

HI IS THÉRFON ALLÉNA EN AFSKINSLE.

~

THA WR.ALDA VS SKOP HETH ER VS IN THRVCH SINE WISHÉD.

BRYN. SINTÚGA. HÜGJA ÀND FÉLO GODA AINSKIPA LÉNAD.

HÍRMÉI MUGON WY SINA SKEPSELA ÀND SIN ÉWA BITRACHTA.

THÉROF MÜGON WY LÉRA ÀND THÉRVR MÜGON WY RÉDA.

ELLA ÀND ALLÉNA TO VS AIN HELD.

HÉDE WR.ALDA VS NÉNE SINNA JÉVEN

SA NE SKOLDE WY NARNE OF NÉTA

ÀND WY SKOLDE JETA REDDALASER AS EN SÉ.KWALE WÉSA.

THÉR FORTH DRYVEN WÀRTH.

THRVCH EBBE ÀND THRVCH FLOD.

Edited by Otharus

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But you were the pirate captain, which is nothing less than a sea warlord.

Well, like I already said: nothing but some hooligan who owned a boat and was able to pay some buddies to row it.

And you won't believe what I am now going to tell you, and it's quite silly to say the least, lol.

Anyway, I was browsing through a Dutch book I have about the Phoenicians, and I noticed that I had scribbled that name, "Reshitskal Tsellordo" in a margin, but with a difference: it was spelled "ReshitsGal Tsellordo".

Then I did a bit of OLB-style of hacking words to pieces, and tried to Google this: "Resh Its Gal Tsel Lordo/Ordo".

Heh, and then I found this:

The founder of the sect was Anan ben David, a member of the princely family of the Resh Galuta ("Head of the Exile," or "Exilarch"). Who lived in Babylon about 130 years before Saadia was born.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112319/jewish/Rabbi-Saadia-Gaon.htm

Resh Galuta

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exilarch

Then:

The Hebrew word 'tsel' means "shade" or "shadow."

http://arabicclass.wordpress.com/?s=tsel

The Phoenicians and ancient Hebrews didn't use letters for vocals, so the ordo could also have meant ardo or arda.

Ard: a descendant of Benjamin

http://concordances.org/hebrew/714.htm

http://topicalbible.org/a/ardites.htm

OK, so "Reshitsgal Tsellordo" is maybe this: "Resh Galuta Tsel Ard", or, Shadow of the Benjamins/Ardites, Head of the Exiles."

Bwahahaha !! Cool or what??

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