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Nazi Atomic bomb used in 1943

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The following intercepted Japanese diplomatic signal was intercepted during World War 2: "Stockholm to Tokyo" No. 232.9 December 1944 (War Department), National Archives, RG 457, declassified October 1, 1978.

This bomb is revolutionary in its results, and will completely upset all ordinary precepts of warfare hitherto established. I am sending you, in one group, all those reports on what is called the atom-splitting bomb.

It is a fact that in June of 1943, the German Army tried out an utterly new type of weapon against the Russians at a location 150 kilometers southeast of Kursk. Although it was the entire 19th Infantry Regiment [Vorezneh Rifles*] of the Russians which was thus attacked, only a few bombs (each round up to 5 kilograms) sufficed to utterly wipe them out to the last man.

The following is according to a statement by Lieutenant Colonel... Kenji, adviser to the attaché in Hungary and formerly... in this country, who by chance saw the actual scene immediately after the above took place:

“All the men and the horses [within radius of] the explosion of the shells were charred black and even their ammunition had all been detonated. Moreover, it is a fact that the same type of war material was tried out in the Crimea too. At that time the Russians claimed that this was poison gas, and protested that if Germany were ever again to use it, Russia, too, would use poison gas.”

Recently the British authorities warned their people of the possibility that they might undergo attack by German atom- splitting bombs. The American authorities have likewise warned that the American east coast might be the area chosen for a blind attack by some sort of flying bomb.

*my italics

This is not a fantasy or an illusion. The signal interception known as a MAGIC decrypt was kept classified after the war. The Japanese throughout WW2 had no knowledge that their encyphered diplomatic signals from Berlin and Stockholm were being read in London and Washington.

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The germans did not get passed the 'heavy water' testing stages of nuclear bomb creation (thankfully).

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Yeah, it did't yet materilise and they scrapped it

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The germans did not get passed the 'heavy water' testing stages of nuclear bomb creation (thankfully).

The Germans shipped their stockpile of uranium to Japan when they surrendered

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Any proof of that statement?

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The Germans shipped their stockpile of uranium to Japan when they surrendered

Why did they do that??

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Why did they do that??

So the Japanese could defend themselves against the USA with a bomb. The submarine carrying the cargo also surrendered at the end of the war to US forces, in fact the enriched uranium used in one of the bombs used in Japan came from that stockpile. To check up on this see U-234.

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Nonsense. The German scientists who worked on the nuclear question would have known this but oddly did not. Nor did anyone else.

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Powerlust said:

The Germans shipped their stockpile of uranium to Japan when they surrendered

Power Lust is referring to German U-boat shipments of Uranium to Japan during 1944 carrying uranium oxide, but more accurately I think he refers to the voyage of U-234. This large minelaying U-boat converted to cargo, collided with another U-boat which surfaced beneath her in the straits between Denmark and Sweeden in March 1945 delaying her departure for repairs.

According to U-234's radio operator Wolfgang Hirschfeld in his autobiography part of the cargo was even offloaded and flown to Tokyo from a Norwegian airfield. German armaments minister Albert Speer confirms this in his memoirs and mentions the flight was by Junkers Ju-390 on 28 March 1945.

The Japanese General in charge of the Army laboratory in Northern Korea at the time, Gen Kawashima told a Japanese TV station in 1983 that Japan only acquired 2000kg of Uranium oxide by U-boat. He requested shipments as early as 7 July 1943 revealed in another declassified MAGIC decrypt.

During 1944 Japan's largest producer of Amonia nitrate for explosives JNFC Nichitsu opened ten mines around Korea and Manchuria yielding in excess of 500,000 metric tons of Uranium ores. Nichitsu also produced Heavy water for a nuclear reactor built at Kyoto university.

Source:

Wilcox, Robert K. "Japan's Secret War" pub 1985

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If the Germans had access to nukes, why did they not simply put them in v2's and knock Britain out of the war in weeks.

Nukes + v2's = War winning technology, why waste a valuble nuke on a handful of Russian Infantry when you could force an entire nations surrender?

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Nazi's made all kinds of wild claims about weapons and accomplishments, every nation did, to their enemies, allies, and the civilian population. Propaganda is a huge part of every war. If my allies were concerned that I was in a vulnerable position and I faced the risk of losing them, I'd tell them anything they wanted to hear.

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Nonsense. The German scientists who worked on the nuclear question would have known this but oddly did not. Nor did anyone else.

More accurately Heisenberg didn't know, but Heisenberg was the head of the Kaiser Wilhelm Gesellschaft (institute). The KWI was not at the heart of the Nazi bomb project. The Army Ordnance Dept (Heereswaffenamt) was. HWA was led by Diebner and he was contracted to run specific trials at Kummersdorf in 1942 experimenting with miniature tactical nuclear weapons using hollow charge explosives.

After the war the occupation army forbade nuclear scientists from publishing their work or obtaining patents yet some wartime patents (which escaped the wholesale uplifting by ALSOS teams in 1945) for these bombs came to light through the research of Rainer Karlsh in 2005. Heisenberg's patents were unworkable, but Deibner's weren't.

Diebner published his designs in France during 1956 under the pseudonym Werner Tautorus. It was so good the US military copied the design for their own tactical mini-nukes.

I have redrawn the design which Tautorus published in France in 1956, but kept the original noculamenture:

Awarhead.jpg

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If the Germans had access to nukes, why did they not simply put them in v2's and knock Britain out of the war in weeks.

Nukes + v2's = War winning technology, why waste a valuble nuke on a handful of Russian Infantry when you could force an entire nations surrender?

They were preparing to do just that. Dornberger commented to that effect that Hitler intended to use nuclear tipped V-2s in conversations secretly recorded at his internment camp CSDIC Camp 11, which was entered in evidence at Nuremberg trials. Can't get more authentic than Nuremberg evidence.

When Roumania's Marshall Antonescu was tried for war crimes he revealed a similar conversation with Hitler to that effect.

On 5 August 1944 Hitler Ribbentrop and Keitel met with Romanian Marshal Antonescu. Hitler told Antonescu of Germany’s atomic bomb. He described Germany’s latest work on

“new explosives, whose development was already advanced to the experimental stage”

Hitler confided his view that the jump from modern explosives to this one was the biggest since gunpowder. Antonescu later quoted Hitler when arrested by the Russians and questioned for war crimes saying:

These weapons, for example, have such colossal force that all human life is destroyed within three, or four kilometres of its point of impact.

When V-1 began raining down over England however Churchill discreetly threatened to drop anthrax bombs all over Germany and destroy the nation's farming food supply. USA also notified Germany in late July 1944 through it's embassy in Lisbon that unless Hitler abandoned it's nuclear weapons program and entered negotiations to sue for peace within six weeks then Dresden would suffer the first Allied Atomic Bomb attack.

Source:

Germany and the Second World War: Organization and Mobilisation of the German sphere of Power..., Volume 5, Part 1, by Bernhard Kroener, Rolf-Dieter Müller, Hans Umbreit, Oxford Uni Press 2003

This is also referred to by Dr Paul Harteck in Farm Hall transcripts 6-7 August 1945.

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Nonsense. The German scientists who worked on the nuclear question would have known this but oddly did not. Nor did anyone else.

Quite correct, the German defense ministry considered the nuclear bomb secondary because they expected to win the war before they could develop the a bomb. All that was ever build were several test reactors to enrich Uranium and a reactor prototype near Karlsruhe. All these projects were in the open.

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So they had the capability to use nukes for two years in combination with V-1's/v-2's and did not, why?

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So they had the capability to use nukes for two years in combination with V-1's/v-2's and did not, why?

They did not.

All wild speculation, in fact as I said above, the nuke was not even a priority for the Germans. They never got out of the theoretical phase.

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Who comes up with this silly stuff? Oh Rainer Karlsch......

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Why did they do that??

They sent the stuff their by u-boat with designs of German aircraft too for Japan to continue the war.

Its in all the history books.

Perhaps Hitler was onboard one too?

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If the Germans had access to nukes, why did they not simply put them in v2's and knock Britain out of the war in weeks.

Nukes + v2's = War winning technology, why waste a valuble nuke on a handful of Russian Infantry when you could force an entire nations surrender?

Bearing in mind the allies were panicing in the last months of the war and desperately trying to knock Germany out it wouldnt surprise me if Hitler was on the verge of having a viable a-bomb.

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Except that his scientists didn't know how to build one. Nor did they have a planet to make one. The closest thing they had to a plant that might have been able to do that was destroyed in March 1945.

Look closely at what the Americans and Soviets had to commit as resources to get it done then look at what Germany did - not even close.

Take a look at the weight of the first warheads made - how would the German's have lifted them? That is if they had made one.

Strangely skilled percision workers don't recall having made the materials or the mechanism to do all of this

Its all space gas.......

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According to U-234's radio operator Wolfgang Hirschfeld in his autobiography part of the cargo was even offloaded and flown to Tokyo from a Norwegian airfield. German armaments minister Albert Speer confirms this in his memoirs and mentions the flight was by Junkers Ju-390 on 28 March 1945.

Whatever happened - it didn't happen in a Junkers Ju 390!

Only 2 prototypes (V1 and V2) were built. Ju 390V1 was returned to Dessau in November 1944, where it was stripped of parts and finally destroyed in late April 1945 as the American Army approached. The fate of V2 is less clear, but to cut a long story short - Karl Kössler and Günter Ott, in their book 'Die Geschichte einer Flugzeugfamilie' state that it was destroyed 'somewhere near Babenhausen in spring 1945.

Considerable interest was displayed in the planned Ju 390A-1, an ultra-long range aircraft by the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force. In the autumn of 1944, the Japanese government acquired a manufacturing license for the Ju 390A-1. Under the licensing agreement, detailed manufacturing drawings were scheduled to be handed over to the Imperial Japanese Army's representative, Major-General Otani, by February 28, 1945.

There is no record of this part of the agreement having been fulfilled.

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Intersting article, I had no idea they were even working on atomic weapons. It seems we have a few knowledgable people in the forums on this topic as well. :tu:

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So they had the capability to use nukes for two years in combination with V-1's/v-2's and did not, why?

Clearly you're not well-versed in conspiracy nuttery, where common sense and practicality are liabilities in understanding "What's Really Going OnTM."

I'm just thankful the internet is around is produce anonymous, third-hand reports and unsourced but unimpeachable claims.

--Jaylemurph

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In 1946 David Snell wrote a newspaper article that claimed the Japanese had set off a nuke in China. Needless to say it was, dare I say it, nonsense too. The Japanese nuclear program never got out of the lab and was further behind than the German one. The Germans got out of the lab (somewhat) and moved to experimentation but went down the wrong path.

I could find no record of any flight of German aircraft to Japan. As some one noted the aircraft stated to have done it didn't exist at the time it was suppose to have happened......and of course the Japanese didn't happen to notice a plane flying in from Norway either.

Looks like lots of made up stuff sprinkled with quote mining, wishful thinking and just bad research.

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If I recall correctly, there was some U-boat traffic between Germany and Japan which continued into the late stages of the war and it is rumoured that some V-2's and nuclear material were listed on the cargo manifests.

There were quite a few advanced German aircraft that found their way to Japan, (He-162, Me-262 etc.), but it was of course to have very little bearing on the ultimate outcome, as the Axis was well behind in the Atomic weapons research field, due in no small part to the Nazi's persecution of the pioneering theoretical physicists such as Bohr and Teller, (amongst others). How ironic!. :tu: .

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