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JFK Assassination

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So sad ! So Sad ! why people cannot see the facts. :no:

Indeed. Even when the facts are pointed out to them - they simply blank them. Very sad :no:

There must be a not very flattering word for that.

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Ok im new here and still have not finished this thread but wanted to jump in.

I am a Military trained sniper.[Was.]

And have hunted my entire life.

I have also taken part in a re-creation of the "kill shot" on 4 different times.

Different locations,never the same twice,however the set up all the same.

First two times was before any actual sniper training.About 3 months in between, with 6 different shooters.

None of us were able to do it in four shots let alone three.

Two of us were close but would have only been a fleshwound.

And none of us could complete the "course "in the proper time allowed ,and not look "out of place".

This was simply walking to the firing location and waiting for the moving target to fire.

After sniper training...was a little different.

Again 6 shooters [4 the same as before]..3 were able to make the kill,but again not in time.

The only one of us to be able to get three shots off and complete the course in time was me, using my rifle.

But as i walked into the would be 2nd floor, not completely out of breath you could still tell something was off.

Couldn't do it with the old bolt action.

And it's alot harder to hit a moving target than you think...ask my spotter he's still mad at me.

I get the impression that no one is seeing your point, crash.

A pile of shooters, including Military trained sniper, unable to make the shot as it's said Oswald, a non-sniper, who held a Mrksman's badge from 1959, did.

Doesn't seem all so likely, eh?

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I get the impression that no one is seeing your point, crash.

A pile of shooters, including Military trained sniper, unable to make the shot as it's said Oswald, a non-sniper, who held a Mrksman's badge from 1959, did.

Doesn't seem all so likely, eh?

Mid are you saying that crash is right? And that Oswald could not of shot JFK ? maybe Im reading your post wrong?

THere have been far harder shots made upon people thru out the ages.

Like from moving ships onto other moving ships at far greater distance.

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Mid are you saying that crash is right? And that Oswald could not of shot JFK ? maybe Im reading your post wrong?

THere have been far harder shots made upon people thru out the ages.

Like from moving ships onto other moving ships at far greater distance.

Let's see what he says!

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nobody ever seems to mention the elevation of the shot. a gun would have to be calibrated differently to fire downwards from a height, effects of gravity on the bullet would be different. is it likely Oswald had a rifle calibrated for this. i doubt it.

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People always forget the connections. Oswald was CIA Osama bin laden was CIA, USA was in bed with the Taliban hill they turned on them. The USA imperial regime killed Kennedy, if it was Jews, mafia, oilers, bankers it doesn't make any difference, they are all connected for the best interests of the US/British/Zionist Empire

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People always forget the connections. Oswald was CIA Osama bin laden was CIA, USA was in bed with the Taliban hill they turned on them. The USA imperial regime killed Kennedy, if it was Jews, mafia, oilers, bankers it doesn't make any difference, they are all connected for the best interests of the US/British/Zionist Empire

It's always stunning to see the work that people put up for themselves with their declarations (obvioulsy here, the product of a PhD in Kennedy Homicide studies).

I'll just make this simple:

Oswald was CIA?

Osama Bin Laden was CIA?

USA was in bed with the Taliban?

The USA Imperial Regime killed Kennedy?

Prove that...all of it.

Then explain who the USA Inperial Regime was roughly 50 years ago, and what it is, if it is today.

If it was jews, bankers, oilers, or mafia, it doesn't really matter...or, does it??? :td::no::w00t::yes:

...You still have to prove they killed Kennedy.

And who is the US/British/Zionist Empire.

Another organization??! You cited the USA imperial regime, then the US/British/Zionist Empire.

Who are these folks??? :tu: :tu:

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Oswald was US trained for the bay of pigs under ferry, information is sealed in the national archives so how can u prove anything when the govt suppress the info, Duh!

Osama was trained and funded by the CIA to wage jihad against Russian occupation in Afghanistan, duh!

Taliban AlQeada Islamic rebels all funded and trained by CIA and Saudi later turned on because they came to power and started destroying the opium fields and refusing US pipeline through afghan soil

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The US/British/Zionist Empire is an Alliance for the New World Order funded and orchestrated by the Queen and the richest bankers in the world aka Rothschild

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Oswald was US trained for the bay of pigs under ferry, information is sealed in the national archives so how can u prove anything when the govt suppress the info, Duh!

Osama was trained and funded by the CIA to wage jihad against Russian occupation in Afghanistan, duh!

Taliban AlQeada Islamic rebels all funded and trained by CIA and Saudi later turned on because they came to power and started destroying the opium fields and refusing US pipeline through afghan soil

The US/British/Zionist Empire is an Alliance for the New World Order funded and orchestrated by the Queen and the richest bankers in the world aka Rothschild

And here I thought Tinky Winky was the source of all evil...

OMG.jpg

I mean really, just look at that. Is there any visage more evil? I think not!

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50 years ago the regime was Allen Dulles, Bush Family, Lbj etc a group of evil men, bankers, lawyers hell bent on profiteering on manipulation and control of resourceful countries. Please don't tell me this does still not exist today

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Nothing has to be proven the information is all locked away for no one to see! If a crazy lone nut shooter killed Kennedy that information would be available but that's not what went down. So it has to be locked away to hide the lie. Kennedy was the enemy of the CIA, the federal reserve, The US wanted to flex its muscle as World Super power, Kennedy refused wanting world peace and to remove troops from Nam. A lot of people would have lost a lot of money and they weren't going to let it happen. What else would you expect from people that financed the nazi war machine, do they get any blame for the over exaggerated holocaust? I wonder where all the Jewish gold went?

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Oswald was US trained for the bay of pigs under ferry, information is sealed in the national archives so how can u prove anything when the govt suppress the info, Duh!

Osama was trained and funded by the CIA to wage jihad against Russian occupation in Afghanistan, duh!

Taliban AlQeada Islamic rebels all funded and trained

by CIA and Saudi later turned on because they came to power and started destroying the opium fields and refusing US pipeline through afghan soil

This can't be a response to me, I should think. I did ask...

I'll just make this simple:

Oswald was CIA?

Osama Bin Laden was CIA?

USA was in bed with the Taliban?

The USA Imperial Regime killed Kennedy?

Prove that...all of it.

Then explain who the USA Inperial Regime was roughly 50 years ago, and what it is, if it is today.

If it was jews, bankers, oilers, or mafia, it doesn't really matter...or, does it??? :td::no::w00t::yes:

...You still have to prove they killed Kennedy.

And who is the US/British/Zionist Empire.

Another organization??! You cited the USA imperial regime, then the US/British/Zionist Empire.

Who are these folks??? :tu: :tu:

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Since when have discussion forums been turned into a court room that you need evidence, Oswald was definitely CIA, the evidence is the people he associated himself with. David Ferrie! Who was involved in training Cuban exiles, Who ran the Bay of Pigs? CiA.

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Since when have discussion forums been turned into a court room that you need evidence, Oswald was definitely CIA, the evidence is the people he associated himself with. David Ferrie! Who was involved in training Cuban exiles, Who ran the Bay of Pigs? CiA.

Since people come and say things like "Oswald was CIA," among other things.

You need to substantiate what you say, especially when making outlandish claims.

You think things like that are going to just slide on by???

:no:

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The committee has found credible evidence indicating Ferrie and Oswald were seen together in August 1963 in the town of Clinton, La.

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What's outlandish about saying Oswald was CIA? If he wasn't CIA what was he? Definitely not a lone nut. He had connections with Ferrie and Ruby, Ruby was the mafia connection or a hired party. A well known Heroin trafficker and gun runner. Oswald had U.S military training and was Russian. The perfect person for a patsy.

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I once had a professor who was a specialist on political assassinations. His theory, as explained before he died at a very young age of heart failure, with his research unpublished:

JFK, following in the footsteps of FDR was a closet socialist. His campaign and his personal wealth were partly the result of funds sent to him and the democrats, a small group at the top, who were determined to eventually impose the kind of rule found in the Soviet Union.

Cuba fell apart prior to JFK coming into office, but during his tenure the CIA decided to invade. The US Navy had aircraft with all markings painted over that were to support the invasion. The initial bombing of Cuba by the CIA actually accomplished what was expected, which was not the total destruction of the Cuban airforce. The Navy air cover was essential. Kennedy refused the order to fly in support of the Bay of Pigs and a debacle ensued.

Interestingly, the professor stated that he had found that large sums of money flowed from Cuba to Caribean banks, to the US and US banks, and gone at just that time. He was searching for the final landing of the money. He believed it went into a secret democrat-controlled account.

The CIA determined that the president was, in fact, not working for the benefit of the American people and was part of the Leftist opposition they faced all over the globe.

The Cuban missile crisis followed. Again, the sides were clear in the eyes of the CIA and again the American people were short-changed. Why? Because the US made it clear they would never invade or work to remove the Castros from power. The Soviets viewed this result as a huge victory that made the Monroe Doctrine null and void. Hence, they could do what they wanted all over Central and South America, which has been the clear result.

Kennedy dies in Dallas, Texas.

What tied the whole thing together for the professor was that the Watergate Burglary was so tightly controlled and executed by the same group that had planned and executed the Bay of Pigs. They risked their lives and reputations on the chance that they could find the real accounting ledgers of the democratic party at the location they were caught. Ever notice that no real specifics of what they were really after ever came out? What else would cause a group of paper-pushers essentially to keep this so closed that they included not one real professional thief to help them?

Remember, this was only possible because LBJ was out of office. He was fine with the death of JFK, he benefited greatly from the event and was certainly part of it. However, he would almost certainly not have been fond of his party being tainted with close ties to Cuban and Soviet communists who were contributing to democrat elections and activities.

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The US/British/Zionist Empire is an Alliance for the New World Order funded and orchestrated by the Queen and the richest bankers in the world aka Rothschild

What IS the New World Order. People just shoot this phrase out rthere, never defining it, never documenting it, and just making references to it.

Now we get that it was funded and orchestrated (I guess that means put into action???) by the Queen and the richest bankers in the world (Rothchild?)

And when has the Queen ever done anything? And with German-Jews nonetheless. What did they do, and what do they do, and...

...How's it have anything to do with the Kennedy Assassination???

It would be nice to have an actual answer to this for once...but, it would actually be nicer not to implicate the Queen Mother in the assassination of the U.S. President. I'm thinking that wouldn't be taken all too graciously?!

:no:

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I once had a professor who was a specialist on political assassinations. His theory, as explained before he died at a very young age of heart failure, with his research unpublished:

JFK, following in the footsteps of FDR was a closet socialist. His campaign and his personal wealth were partly the result of funds sent to him and the democrats, a small group at the top, who were determined to eventually impose the kind of rule found in the Soviet Union.

Cuba fell apart prior to JFK coming into office, but during his tenure the CIA decided to invade. The US Navy had aircraft with all markings painted over that were to support the invasion. The initial bombing of Cuba by the CIA actually accomplished what was expected, which was not the total destruction of the Cuban airforce. The Navy air cover was essential. Kennedy refused the order to fly in support of the Bay of Pigs and a debacle ensued.

Interestingly, the professor stated that he had found that large sums of money flowed from Cuba to Caribean banks, to the US and US banks, and gone at just that time. He was searching for the final landing of the money. He believed it went into a secret democrat-controlled account.

The CIA determined that the president was, in fact, not working for the benefit of the American people and was part of the Leftist opposition they faced all over the globe.

The Cuban missile crisis followed. Again, the sides were clear in the eyes of the CIA and again the American people were short-changed. Why? Because the US made it clear they would never invade or work to remove the Castros from power. The Soviets viewed this result as a huge victory that made the Monroe Doctrine null and void. Hence, they could do what they wanted all over Central and South America, which has been the clear result.

Kennedy dies in Dallas, Texas.

What tied the whole thing together for the professor was that the Watergate Burglary was so tightly controlled and executed by the same group that had planned and executed the Bay of Pigs. They risked their lives and reputations on the chance that they could find the real accounting ledgers of the democratic party at the location they were caught. Ever notice that no real specifics of what they were really after ever came out? What else would cause a group of paper-pushers essentially to keep this so closed that they included not one real professional thief to help them?

Remember, this was only possible because LBJ was out of office. He was fine with the death of JFK, he benefited greatly from the event and was certainly part of it. However, he would almost certainly not have been fond of his party being tainted with close ties to Cuban and Soviet communists who were contributing to democrat elections and activities.

:w00t:

Whew....the imagination runs utterly kook fringe!

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nobody ever seems to mention the elevation of the shot. a gun would have to be calibrated differently to fire downwards from a height, effects of gravity on the bullet would be different. is it likely Oswald had a rifle calibrated for this. i doubt it.

A bit, but that's not a significant factor given the distances of the shots.

Keep in mind that the first shot missed entirely, the second shot was low, and it was only the last shot that hit Kennedy in the head. Oswald was a trained marksman and had practiced with his rifle. He would have known how to aim and correct shots.

As I've said before, these aren't hard shots to make. With a few hours instruction, even a novice who had never picked up a rifle could score 1 out of 3 on a slow moving man-sized target at these distances.

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The committee has found credible evidence indicating Ferrie and Oswald were seen together in August 1963 in the town of Clinton, La.

You're not the only person who thinks that Oswald was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK. You're not making outlandish claims about Oswald's involvement with Ferrie or the CIA.

Although any poster who tries to involve the Queen Mother as a possible shooter is just pushing it too far.... :whistle:

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What's outlandish about saying Oswald was CIA? If he wasn't CIA what was he? Definitely not a lone nut. He had connections with Ferrie and Ruby, Ruby was the mafia connection or a hired party. A well known Heroin trafficker and gun runner. Oswald had U.S military training and was Russian. The perfect person for a patsy.

I guess we should all know what Oswald was, huh?

Let's see, "IF HE WASN'T CIA, WHAT WAS HE?"

What a great non -answer. You say Oswald was CIA, and I question that statement, and you answer like this?

You state the obvious (Oswald had military training), as if that's relevant, then you state a complete falsehood, that he was Russian. He was American.

I can see this won't go too far.

:no:

What was Oswald?

All anyone knows is that he was an employee of the Texas School Book Depository. He apparently was a problem to his wife. He had a little baby daughter, and some fairly wild ideas about opeople and events. He was also accused of shooting a police officer to death, and of assassinating the President, none of which were ever proven, and he was murdered two days after the President's murder.

I guess that made him CIA?

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If he wasn't connected, however loosely, with the CIA, then his giving up US citizenship, going to the USSR, applying for Soviet citizenship, then his returning to the US without apparently any major problems has to be the 59/60/61 adventures of Indiana Jones.

http://www.jfk-info.com/trans-1.htm

This is Oswald's letter to the Soviet consulate.

I don't believe for one moment that Oswald was a trained operative. He was a loose cannon. But that doesn't mean that he couldn't have been employed by them in some capacity.

If Oswald had turned out to be some guy who'd never lived in the USSR, never been in the military, never hung around on street corners distributing anti-Cuba and pro-Cuba pamphlets, then I'd be more than willing to say that he was the only person who fired shots and killed JFK.

But after 50 years, to me anyway, it still doesn't ring true. He may have been a small fish until he shot at JFK, but this was 1959. Ordinary Americans don't renounce their citizenship to go and live in the USSR then come back and no-one in the State Department goes, h'm, hey now, that's unusual.

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