Mudbeed Posted January 13, 2011 #51 Share Posted January 13, 2011 (edited) I don't know why the left or right gives attention to Palin...AT ALL. I do not want her to represent me regardless of party affiliation. I want to vote in someone that not only cares about the country but has the economic history to keep our country on the right path. Right path = all Americans live the American dream with I would believe would be based on average consensus of comfort..lol. If you think I mean socialism, well you are wrong. I am talking about capitalism with rules and regulations that have the people in mind. We all complain about taxes, but do you know how many big businesses do not pay any taxes at all? Look it up it's pretty startling. We need to be innovative and start here. Everyone and their grandma knows that this would be "green energy"..right? Well where are the jobs, because we all know the demand is there...can we say big oil? Obviously we need to tax businesses that export employees and give credit where they do well...like hire here in the states. Either way you probably think I'm a liberal because of how I talk but actually I truly base what I want out of a healthy economy. I also look at only what I know as far as public knowledge is concerned. Why bring conspiracy to politics? Is it fact? No...ok then I ignore, etc. It's not constructive because of the lack of facts. Either way look at the state of Wasilla now, it's not doing the greatest. I'd rather have a Mit Romney in office than a Palin. I do not want our first woman president to be Palin. Does she love America? I think so. Does she have a clue about running the country? I think not. Edited January 13, 2011 by Mudbeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 13, 2011 #52 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Actually I think Ru Paul should be the next President of the United states. Boy would that be ground breaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudbeed Posted January 13, 2011 #53 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Actually I think Ru Paul should be the next President of the United states. Boy would that be ground breaking. Rofl ru paul. Thanks for the laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palin-sque Posted January 14, 2011 #54 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) Leonardo, I don't recall the statement by the sheriff carrying any political undertones except to highlight that rhetoric and the general political climate has become overheated' date=' and that this may contribute to influencing irrational behaviour.[/quote']He made this statement in an interview with Katie Couric Sheriff Clarence Dupnik: “If you are in law enforcement and you are not a right winger, you will get all kinds of heat from the right wing nuts.”CBS Evening News In my opinion, it was quite obvious he was referring to Right-wingers in his original statement; the quote above amplifies this. Pointing the finger at the sheriff is another symptom of the 'blame game'. Not really. The debate didn’t start until he gave his unfounded opinions. Rhetoric and imagery which promote or suggest violent imagery is/has been used by both sides, and both sides should be deplored for doing so. Trying to defend one side (or person) by highlighting the other side is "just as bad", is not really addressing the issue. I wasn’t defending one side, and the following proves it: Personally, I think anyone who uses this tragedy to advance an ideology - whether Left or Right - deserves every measure of scorn imaginable. Then I went on to explain that Sarah Palin has been singled out unfairly. Not only because of the map, but because of her, “Don’t Retreat, Reload” statement. You’ll notice that after quoting a similar statement from Obama (i.e., violent imagery), I said: The italicized statement made by President Obama. He wasn't inciting violence, but using a metaphor. I believe my statements were fair to both sides. Everyone is quite aware of Sarah Palin’s statements and maps, but few seem to be aware of similar statements and imagery from the Left. I just pointed out that the media unfairly went after Sarah Palin. My apologies, Palin-sque, for not welcoming you to UM before making a critical response to your post. I hope you enjoy it here and I look forward to reading your posts. Thank you. I look forward to the many debates I’m sure we’ll have. Edited January 14, 2011 by Palin-sque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted January 14, 2011 #55 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Actually I think Ru Paul should be the next President of the United states. Boy would that be ground breaking. I don't know, I just don't see it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUJ4uorYPoY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted January 14, 2011 #56 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) Leonardo, He made this statement in an interview with Katie Couric Sheriff Clarence Dupnik: “If you are in law enforcement and you are not a right winger, you will get all kinds of heat from the right wing nuts.”CBS Evening News In my opinion, it was quite obvious he was referring to Right-wingers in his original statement; the quote above amplifies this. Not really. The debate didn’t start until he gave his unfounded opinions. Thank you for the reference. I agree his statement was unbalanced, he could have said... "If you are in law enforcement and you are not a left winger, you will get all kinds of heat from the left wing nuts." ...and it would have been equally as true. So, the Sheriff is guilty of using an example from just one side of the divide to emphasise his point. That does not equate with his statement being biased (I accept he may be prejudiced, but that cannot be ascertained just from this statement). As for his statement being unfounded, I would suggest that is not true. Whether the heat comes from right-wing nuts or left-wing nuts, I suggest his statement is the truth of what is occurring. I do accept that, as reported, many who are predisposed to seeing prejudice in any statement may take his statement as being evidence of prejudice. Edited January 14, 2011 by Leonardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palin-sque Posted January 14, 2011 #57 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) "If you are in law enforcement and you are not a left winger, you will get all kinds of heat from the left wing nuts." You're right. If he had said that, it would have been an equally valid example. The problem, however, is that the Sheriff is a registered democrat; I don't think he was offering an example so much as making a political statement. In any event, I firmly believe the Sheriff was trying to get a little extra attention, and nothing more. Of course, we can't rule out the possibility that he may actually believe what he said. I really don't know. I just think Sarah Palin (who I do not want to be the next president, by the way) was singled-out unfairly and for reasons not all that bizarre if you're familar with the obvious media bias (both Left and Right, depending on the organization). Her statement, as you said, was in bad taste, as was Obama's. But neither one of them were inciting violence - at least not intentionally. The maps, I believe, are fairly common currency for both sides, so who knows why that was mentioned. And we can both agree that, perhaps, a little less vitriol from both sides would be better for everyone. Thanks. Edited January 14, 2011 by Palin-sque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted January 14, 2011 #58 Share Posted January 14, 2011 And we can both agree that, perhaps, a little less vitriol from both sides would be better for everyone. Thanks. Agree 100%! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyDolly Posted January 14, 2011 #59 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I have come to the conclusion that I will in some ways just never agree with you X. Yet you would get so much respect for attacking a few loons that are even out of your league. You can stop .. when some people put an X on the back of others out of hate, this just is not right. This does not mean you are wrong, yet I believe you are having a time with this and believe that most people are out to attack you. I have been there and I have in the past felt your discomfort with arguable matters. We need everyone at the time to take a stand and admit that things with the Arizona situation just became way out of hand. Remember the Muslim in Texas who went on a rampage??? Was it taken out of hand as this was??? Yes some blamed his being a muslim as the situation, yet it was not taken to the point this Arizona situation was. When a little 9 year old girl is gunned down and a few individuals such as Palin and O'Reilly are blamed this is just taking it way too far!!! I really believe you believe the same ... I would be upset if even one person on this site believed this nonsense. This is a very serious situation ... much more so than many even here admit!!! Well maybe the shooting at Fort Hood just up the road a few miles from me didn't get so out of hand,because maybe A. The shooter was a muslim,and they have caught muslim extremist cells in the US plotting to carry out terror attacks,and B.It happend on a military base amongst adults. But here you have a child killed and a member of Congress.To people in Arizona,Gifford might be someone in Congress who actually cares about the people she serves,and so to them it's like an attack on the State of Arizona itself,as well as the federal government.Don't know if that explains it, but it's a guess as good as any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyDolly Posted January 14, 2011 #60 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Well said, at some point we've forgone "leaders" and replaced the ideal with "just an average joe like me". I don't want someone like me leading me, if they are to lead me, I want them to be smarter, more honest, more caring etc--As you said; a leader. I don't need a me to follow, for I follow me everyday. I feel the same way you do.However, there are people out there who could do the job,honest,caring,intelligent,etc.but they don't run for public office unfortunately.They have no interest in doing so,which is our loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted January 14, 2011 #61 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) Personaly I dont think anyone should tone down anything. The people of this country are finnaly waking up to the coruption and errosion of freedoms that they have been asleep through for far to long. We just need some direction and focus. Stop fighting among each other, and point to the real criminals. People are mad, rightfully so. And none of this has anything to do with the looney who pulled that trigger. Edited January 14, 2011 by preacherman76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AROCES Posted January 14, 2011 #62 Share Posted January 14, 2011 While Sarah Palin is right to criticise anyone who is trying to apportion blame for this tragedy upon anyone other than the shooter, she could have handled this a little better. Other politicians have made conciliatory remarks about toning down their rhetoric and Palin has missed a chance to join them on the moral high ground. Not saying she apologises for any previous rhetoric, just makes a simple acknowledgement that lively debate doesn't have to include references - however indirect - to physical violence and the use of firearms. Serious question for the Americans posting here. If a politician in the US uses reason and intelligence to debate or try to make a point to the public, rather than hype and inflammatory rhetoric, are they seen as 'weak' or 'elitist'? Yeah right! Had she done what you suggested would that satisfy the left and say she did something right, or would they say she acted GUILTY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignus Fatuus Posted January 14, 2011 #63 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Actually I think Ru Paul should be the next President of the United states. Boy would that be ground breaking. Was that a slap in the face of us here in Kentucky??? RU PAUL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 14, 2011 #64 Share Posted January 14, 2011 You see, whenever I hear Ron Paul I think Ru Paul because of how similar their names are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supervike Posted January 20, 2011 #65 Share Posted January 20, 2011 You see, whenever I hear Ron Paul I think Ru Paul because of how similar their names are. That's a ticket I'd love to see! Ron Paul and RuPaul in 2012! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent X Posted January 20, 2011 #66 Share Posted January 20, 2011 GAH! No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignus Fatuus Posted January 20, 2011 #67 Share Posted January 20, 2011 That's a ticket I'd love to see! Ron Paul and RuPaul in 2012! Two and a half man ... literally!!! A Kentucky 1/6th dozen. How could you put those two faces together??? Satan ejaculated looking at that picture!!! Two and a half ... of his favorite!!! Anyone ever heard of the Kentucky 1/6th dozen??? 6 hillbilly guys dressed as girls??? Did not think so ... Very sick that was!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sam Posted January 21, 2011 #68 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Liberals are always quick to lay blame and try to stir up trouble when **** hits the fan. Surprising as it is, I wonder why the heck hasn't anyone said anything about bad taste to start spewing hatred towards others? I mean there was a assassination attempt, 6 people died, and god really knows how many who were injured by a insane man who believed deep seated leftist views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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