psyche101 Posted October 15, 2012 #6026 Share Posted October 15, 2012 good to see you too quillius, hazz... hope all is great.... hi every1... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted October 15, 2012 #6027 Share Posted October 15, 2012 Well who wants to know all the dirt on Washington,D.C. ! It has Real Live Aliens there too ! I`ll have to reduce all the picks and put them up ! IM BACK !!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 16, 2012 #6028 Share Posted October 16, 2012 HOLD THE PHONE! I'VE FOUND IT!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrom901 Posted October 18, 2012 #6029 Share Posted October 18, 2012 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 18, 2012 #6030 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Still pretty cool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReaperS_ParadoX Posted October 18, 2012 #6031 Share Posted October 18, 2012 found it... That Mimas planet kinda looks like the Death Star in Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranrod Posted October 19, 2012 #6032 Share Posted October 19, 2012 I can't imagine natural processes advancing from a few complex molecules, to a cell membrane enclosing even the most primitive DNA replication and cell division. I'm of reasonable intelligence and I'm pretty well read...but I can't get my head around the spontaneous creation of life from natural events...although I do agree on evolution once life gets going. On the divinity idea, I can't comprehend a supreme entity being bored silly one day and creating the Universe...even if it did take a week. Sorry no offence to believers...I'm not criticizing you...I am speaking about my own personal beliefs. Obviously the creation idea doesn't work for me. So my current belief is panspermia with ET interference occasionally in our history to help out our evolution...so yes Prometheous is worth considering especially since the first Alien movie was based exactly on panspermia. Isn't our species kind of proving panspermia if we have evolved and are now sending people and robots into space? Also, Apollo 12 bringing back a piece of Surveyor which landed on the Moon a couple of years before them, had earth originating bacteria that survived space. For me it seems plausible...but I still puzzle over how life began initially even if it was not here. Perhaps somewhere in the universe there are natural forces we know nothing of...or perhaps other dimensions colliding with ours. This is a few pages back, but thanks for the DNA visualization video. I hadn't seen that one. For me it is also mind-boggling to think there's no design or architect to such a purposeful, complex, and stable system. Throughout the primordial Earth there were trillions upon trillions of simultaneous attempts for about a billion years to create a working primitive single cell. Anything that didn't lead to life, remained in the ooze. Anything that achieved stability, became the building block for the next step. Each step speeds up how long the next step takes. As an analogy, It took humans a hundred thousand years to make a single working autonomous machine, but in the following hundred years we created millions of other machines to do millions of other jobs. Each hurtle crossed creates an explosion of progress towards the next hurdle. That said, looking at the DNA visualization shows how advanced we've become in science, but it's anything but intuitive to think that that happened randomly. Intuitively it makes me think about design (ironically the most compelling reason to consider the metaphysical I've seen). Also, saying, 'aliens' must have helped us just replaces one question with another: From: How did this complex life came to be? "I don't know" To: How did this complex life came to be? "Aliens". How did the Aliens came to be? "I don't know" ...Doesn't really get us any closer to an answer. Same with: How did this complex life came to be? "Came from Mars". How did it start in Mars? "Aliens put it there" How did the Aliens came to be? "I don't know" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted October 19, 2012 #6033 Share Posted October 19, 2012 This is a few pages back, but thanks for the DNA visualization video. I hadn't seen that one. For me it is also mind-boggling to think there's no design or architect to such a purposeful, complex, and stable system. Throughout the primordial Earth there were trillions upon trillions of simultaneous attempts for about a billion years to create a working primitive single cell. Anything that didn't lead to life, remained in the ooze. Anything that achieved stability, became the building block for the next step. Each step speeds up how long the next step takes. As an analogy, It took humans a hundred thousand years to make a single working autonomous machine, but in the following hundred years we created millions of other machines to do millions of other jobs. Each hurtle crossed creates an explosion of progress towards the next hurdle. That said, looking at the DNA visualization shows how advanced we've become in science, but it's anything but intuitive to think that that happened randomly. Intuitively it makes me think about design (ironically the most compelling reason to consider the metaphysical I've seen). Also, saying, 'aliens' must have helped us just replaces one question with another: From: How did this complex life came to be? "I don't know" To: How did this complex life came to be? "Aliens". How did the Aliens came to be? "I don't know" ...Doesn't really get us any closer to an answer. Same with: How did this complex life came to be? "Came from Mars". How did it start in Mars? "Aliens put it there" How did the Aliens came to be? "I don't know" Somewhere, somehow "life" came to be. I saw a documentary some years ago. It may have been the regular TV series, The Nature of Things, with David Suzuki, a Canadian CBC production, although I am not certain. It proposed (I've seen this theory elsewhere) that life is not a rare occurance in the Universe, but an eventuality, given the right conditions. "Life" is matter, organized into such a complex arrangement, that it becomes "conscious" of it's own existance...which of course gets into the deep meaning of what is consciousness. Natural forces even at the quantum level, compel the simplest of atoms, to form and combine into more and more complex molecules. This of course is countered by forces that compel them to break down. Even at the quantum level, the nature of duality takes hold. Somehow, matter is driven to form into higher and higher levels of complexity to the point of amino acids, proteins etc being launched into further levels of organization with the introduction of enzymes. It seems very complex and it is. But if life is indeed and eventuality, it would seem likely that we are in a Universe teeming with life. Although science seems to have a good understanding of natural forces, we have probably only scratched the surface of the knowledge we need to really comprehend the true nature of our existance. It's the kind of thing that makes your brain short circuit if you think about it too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranrod Posted October 19, 2012 #6034 Share Posted October 19, 2012 Somewhere, somehow "life" came to be. I saw a documentary some years ago. It may have been the regular TV series, The Nature of Things, with David Suzuki, a Canadian CBC production, although I am not certain. It proposed (I've seen this theory elsewhere) that life is not a rare occurance in the Universe, but an eventuality, given the right conditions. "Life" is matter, organized into such a complex arrangement, that it becomes "conscious" of it's own existance...which of course gets into the deep meaning of what is consciousness. Natural forces even at the quantum level, compel the simplest of atoms, to form and combine into more and more complex molecules. This of course is countered by forces that compel them to break down. Even at the quantum level, the nature of duality takes hold. Somehow, matter is driven to form into higher and higher levels of complexity to the point of amino acids, proteins etc being launched into further levels of organization with the introduction of enzymes. It seems very complex and it is. But if life is indeed and eventuality, it would seem likely that we are in a Universe teeming with life. Although science seems to have a good understanding of natural forces, we have probably only scratched the surface of the knowledge we need to really comprehend the true nature of our existance. It's the kind of thing that makes your brain short circuit if you think about it too much. I agree. The most abundant elements in the universe are also the building blocks of life, and their usefulness in creating life is proportional to their amounts in the universe. Uranium is not a key component in creating life. Intuitively, it doesn't seem like coincidence. We are yet to figure out a way life from another solar system could get here in a timely fashion. Going at the fastest we've made an object go (70k km/s), it would take 17k years to get to the next closest solar system. If we manage to get something to go at .1c, it would still take 40 years, and that speed is still science fiction to us. We're pretty far from having a good understanding of how the universe really works though. If there is intelligent life in Alpha Centauri, and they found a way to travel faster, it's only logical they would go looking in their closest neighbor first (us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted October 20, 2012 Author #6035 Share Posted October 20, 2012 http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article15640946.ab Translation is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 20, 2012 #6036 Share Posted October 20, 2012 http://www.aftonblad...icle15640946.ab Translation is optional. lol... you have followed the thread here right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrom901 Posted October 21, 2012 #6037 Share Posted October 21, 2012 what about trace evidence... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 21, 2012 #6038 Share Posted October 21, 2012 You're on a roll tonight mcrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted October 21, 2012 #6039 Share Posted October 21, 2012 You're on a roll tonight mcrom Even as a believer, I have a sense of humor about it all. You're mocking me....aren't you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 21, 2012 #6040 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Even as a believer, I have a sense of humor about it all. You're mocking me....aren't you. [media=] [/media] ROFL... please tell me that doesn't really repeat for 10 whole minutes... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synchronomy Posted October 21, 2012 #6041 Share Posted October 21, 2012 ROFL... please tell me that doesn't really repeat for 10 whole minutes... LOL I think it does. It's just a loop of the funniest 10 seconds of the movie "Toy Story". I have three kids...so I've seen a lot of their favorite movies over the years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 21, 2012 #6042 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I think it does. It's just a loop of the funniest 10 seconds of the movie "Toy Story". I have three kids...so I've seen a lot of their favorite movies over the years It does for 9 minutes at least. I just couldn't take any more after that... LOL, but it's still paused so I may finish it after I'm done watching what I'm watching. Three kids eh? That's a handful. Congrats to you for that. And congrats to them for you. Cheers synch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted October 21, 2012 #6043 Share Posted October 21, 2012 lol... you have followed the thread here right? I have.... it is not what it used to be, that much is sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 21, 2012 #6044 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I have.... it is not what it used to be, that much is sure. Oh no, I didn't mean the BE thread... oops, I probably should have been more clear. My bad. I was talking about the thread with the picture of the punch cloud over here. The same pic in Hazzard's linked article. Apologies for the misunderstanding, apparently I sometimes think people should be able to read my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted October 21, 2012 #6045 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I have.... it is not what it used to be, that much is sure. Ain't that the truth? Sometimes I find myself missing Skyeagle...sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted October 21, 2012 #6046 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Ain't that the truth? Sometimes I find myself missing Skyeagle...sometimes. Speaking of "truth" and "skyeagle," you could always pay a visit to the 9/11 threads where he's doing a hell of a lot of good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted October 21, 2012 #6047 Share Posted October 21, 2012 (edited) Speaking of "truth" and "skyeagle," you could always pay a visit to the 9/11 threads where he's doing a hell of a lot of good. He's still plugging away over there huh? I've pretty much given up on the whole 9/11 thing. It's even more frustrating than than the ETH on occasion. The conspiracy angle and the paranoia are just too much for a sane person to take after so long. Edit: By the way, good for Skyeagle. I'm glad to see that he has found a more productive (maybe?) interest. Edited October 21, 2012 by Slave2Fate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted October 21, 2012 Author #6048 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Speaking of "truth" and "skyeagle," you could always pay a visit to the 9/11 threads where he's doing a hell of a lot of good. If anyone can do it its him. Like many others I find those "truthers" too much. I guess I kinda hate them. Yea, I hate them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted November 21, 2012 #6049 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Hey, Hazzard..... maybe this is the exhibit A you are looking for?? "This data is going to be one for the history books, it's looking really good," http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-57553096-1/nasas-not-sharing-a-historic-find-on-mars..-yet/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted November 22, 2012 #6050 Share Posted November 22, 2012 Hey, Hazzard..... maybe this is the exhibit A you are looking for?? "This data is going to be one for the history books, it's looking really good," http://news.cnet.com...-on-mars..-yet/ Looks promising... I'll wait for the full announcement, but I must say it looks pretty cool. Thanks for posting it DBunker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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