TheMcGuffin Posted May 16, 2011 #26 Share Posted May 16, 2011 According to this website about Penniston's 1994 hypnosis, he recalled that the Air Force Office of Special Investigations did not believe he was telling them everything he knew about his 1980 encounter, which is why they asked him to agree to be drugged with Sodium Pentathol and hypnotized at that time. This is why he tried hypnosis himself in 1994, to see how much he could recall about what really happened. I can see that the more one digs into this case, the stranger it gets. http://www.myspace.com/starlightbeing/blog/507971981 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted May 16, 2011 #27 Share Posted May 16, 2011 (edited) And then, John Burroughs was also hypnotized in 1988, and asserted that both he and Col. Halt had been in telepathic communication with the alien craft--or whatever they were. Halt later said in 2009 that these were extraterrestrial craft that showed a clear interest in the nuclear weapons storage areas, and that the US government had been using disinformation methods to distort and cover up these events. Burroughs and Penniston stated that the air was full of static electricity when they approached the craft, and that time seemed to slow down, as if they had walked into some kind of temporal distortion. Weirder and weirder.... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2326978/posts Edited May 16, 2011 by TheMcGuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted May 16, 2011 #28 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Yes, it is quite a piece of fiction they've spun over the years. Always changing. I'm surprised people still buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted May 17, 2011 #29 Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) Yes, it is quite a piece of fiction they've spun over the years. Always changing. I'm surprised people still buy it. But then we come back to Halt's original memo in 1981, which is definitely not fake. It was kept classified until Larry Warren first publicized the Bentwaters incident in 1983. Note that the dates are different, once again. I do think someone has been messing around with the details of the case, for whatever reason. Edited May 17, 2011 by TheMcGuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted May 17, 2011 #30 Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) And then of course there were other reports from witnesses, like this one: Edited May 17, 2011 by TheMcGuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted May 17, 2011 #31 Share Posted May 17, 2011 But then we come back to Halt's original memo in 1981, which is definitely not fake. It was kept classified until Larry Warren first publicized the Bentwaters incident in 1983. Note that the dates are different, once again. I do think someone has been messing around with the details of the case, for whatever reason. halt memo picture Nobody messed with the dates, he just filled it out wrong because he wrote it over 2 weeks after the incident. Yet another reason to question the supposed importance of this case, why would he have waited so long to write this memo if it really was some kind of ET contact? And then of course there were other reports from witnesses, like this one: Mysterious Witness Sketch Which witness is that from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted May 17, 2011 #32 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Nobody messed with the dates, he just filled it out wrong because he wrote it over 2 weeks after the incident. Yet another reason to question the supposed importance of this case, why would he have waited so long to write this memo if it really was some kind of ET contact? I doubt that he did wait that long, since the original investigation was right after New Year's in 1981. I don't think the record has been fully declassified at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted May 17, 2011 #33 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Which witness is that from? That's an original January 1981 drawing by Penniston, which was declassified in 2002. http://www.mysterylinks.info/2010/08/alien-life-new-rendlesham-forest-ufo.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted May 17, 2011 #34 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Of course, I can't answer for anything that Penniston said under hypnosis in 1994, although it does seem that the enlisted men inviolved were all debriefed in some way, although the details are obscure. This is the type of thing Penniston said under hypnosis in 1994. http://i51.tinypic.com/2prbfd3.jpg Or the "binary code" message: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted May 17, 2011 #35 Share Posted May 17, 2011 I doubt that he did wait that long, since the original investigation was right after New Year's in 1981. I don't think the record has been fully declassified at all. He said himself that he waited. I'm sure that I've heard him say that in an interview or two anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Religious Hoax Posted May 17, 2011 #36 Share Posted May 17, 2011 While I agree that Greer's project has been largely ineffectual, Disclosure Project has raised awareness regarding ETH, and that's worth something. It's been suggested that the best tactic for disinformation is to release the truth along with lies. Maybe Greer is in on it, but it wouldn't be the CIA pulling the strings... I think a few of you are giving far too much credit to the CIA's involvement with ETH. I'm sure they have an idea of what's going on, but it's pretty obvious the secret branches and projects of the military handle all aspects of ETH. It's no coincidence that NORAD is immune to FOIA requests, that NASA is a charter of the DoD and that any agency that comes in to contact with UFO's (FAA, USCG, NOAA and more) ALL report directly to the military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted May 17, 2011 #37 Share Posted May 17, 2011 That's an original January 1981 drawing by Penniston, which was declassified in 2002. http://www.mysterylinks.info/2010/08/alien-life-new-rendlesham-forest-ufo.html Are you sure about that? I can't find anything that corroborates that this drawing was from Penniston or that it was declassified in 2002. Granted, I haven't had much opportunity to look, but I'm just wondering how accurate that statement actually is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted May 17, 2011 #38 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Zuozontang is not much into "disclosure" himself, I'm dying to know all about how the Rothschilds and the CIA are pulling the rug out from under UFO disclosure. Gawd, they must be busy people, they seem to be into everything except **** sandwiches, maybe they just don't like bread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted May 17, 2011 #39 Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) Are you sure about that? I can't find anything that corroborates that this drawing was from Penniston or that it was declassified in 2002. Granted, I haven't had much opportunity to look, but I'm just wondering how accurate that statement actually is. According to this website the drawing by Penniston was in the records of the British Ministry of Defence that were declassifed in 2002 after a judgment by the Parliamentary Ombudsman. Record number DEFE 24/1995, interviews with Halt and Penniston by Salley Rayl of the MOD. http://rendlesham-incident.co.uk/news/mod-files-august-2010/ This is the picture of what Penniston, Halt and the others saw in Redlesham Forest in December 1980--whatever the actual date really was--at least according to what they told this British Ministry of Defense investigators. I have no doubt that the UFOs were real, despite some of the fog that surrounds this case. Edited May 17, 2011 by TheMcGuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booNyzarC Posted May 17, 2011 #40 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Interesting. The sketch differs rather significantly from the other that I've seen. And I can't really read what the text says. The central triangle looks almost like it might be an effort to depict the depressions from the purported landing site (or one of them, if you buy into the story that there were two). The upper part, not sure. At any rate it is interesting. Thanks McGuffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost_shaman Posted May 17, 2011 #41 Share Posted May 17, 2011 According to this website the drawing by Penniston was in the records of the British Ministry of Defence that were declassifed in 2002 after a judgment by the Parliamentary Ombudsman. Record number DEFE 24/1995, interviews with Halt and Penniston by Salley Rayl of the MOD. I wonder if this Salley Rayl and these interviews are connected in some way with the MoD's Condign report that mentions this case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMcGuffin Posted May 17, 2011 #42 Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) Interesting. The sketch differs rather significantly from the other that I've seen. And I can't really read what the text says. The central triangle looks almost like it might be an effort to depict the depressions from the purported landing site (or one of them, if you buy into the story that there were two). The upper part, not sure. At any rate it is interesting. Thanks McGuffin. You're welcome. I can't read the text, either, although the top drawing shows the thing sitting on the ground, and its height and width. Now as for this other picture, I haven't been able to figure out who drew it. It definitely doesn't look like the one that is usually described. Where are the reports from anyone about a UFO that looked like this, landing on December 27th or any other time during this incident? I don't know of any. Edited May 17, 2011 by TheMcGuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted May 17, 2011 #43 Share Posted May 17, 2011 But then we come back to Halt's original memo in 1981, which is definitely not fake. It was kept classified until Larry Warren first publicized the Bentwaters incident in 1983. Note that the dates are different, once again. I do think someone has been messing around with the details of the case, for whatever reason. That is a very interesting letter. Some of my compatriots were at RAF Bentwaters, and one of them was my assistant at Travis AFB. They confirmed to me that the Rendlesham UFO incidents did iinvolve UFOs and that their weaponry were affected as well. There is much about that incident that has not been made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted May 17, 2011 #44 Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) The "Disclosure" project is funded heavily by Rothschild. Steven Greer is not who he claims to be, he is working for the CIA. The CIA knows people want answers and wants this technology made public. With that notion, the cia decided to stack the deck. They created the disclosure project and threw money at it left and right. The disclosure project is to slow people down, it was created to give people a false hope for "disclosure". If we leave "disclosure" up to the disclosure project it will never happen. Please realize this people. The Disclosure Project is not real, its fake, and its created to fool people like you and i. Its time for a revolution. Some of the UFO incidents presented by the Disclosure Project have already been verified. For an example, the Malmstorm AFB incident involved my base at Hill AFB, UT. I have over 40 years working with the Air Force and I know as a fact, that the Air Force knows that the UFOs in question, are not of this Earth. Many of the bases where I have been assigned or sent TDY, had their own UFO incidents to content with. The following bases are where I have been either assigned, or sent on temporary duty (TDY), that have been involved in UFOs incidents or investigations 1. Phan Rang airbase, Vietnam (Incident) 2. Davis-Monthan AFB, AZ (Incident and Phoenix Lights Sighting) 3. Andrews AFB, MD (Multiple Incidents) 4. Bolling AFB, Washington D.C. (Multiple Incidents) 5. Hill AFB, UT (Investigations into the Malmstrom AFB, and other SAC base UFO Intrusions) As a depot for the F-4 Phantom, as well as the Minuteman missile, I am very sure that Hill AFB was also involved in the 1976 Iranian UFO incident. 6. Travis AFB, CA (Multiple Incidents) 7. Wright-Patterson AFB, OH (Multiple Incidents, Photography and Investigations of UFOs Over Alaska, and the Roswell Incident) 8. Pleiku airbase, Vietnam (Incident) There are many things the public is unaware of in regards to UFOs and the reason why I know much is because of my decades-long service in the USAF. I mgiht add that the USAF has already admitted that the UFOs in question, are those of extraterrestrials, but the public is not suppose to know that, so is it any wonder then, why many retired Air Force folks are now coming out into the open and providing information about what we know about UFOs? Edited May 17, 2011 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted May 17, 2011 #45 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Zuozontang is not much into "disclosure" himself, I'm dying to know all about how the Rothschilds and the CIA are pulling the rug out from under UFO disclosure. Gawd, they must be busy people, they seem to be into everything except **** sandwiches, maybe they just don't like bread. The CIA is currently active in keeping a lid on UFOs, and the CIA is involved in the government cover-up of UFOs. For an example, the CIA was the focus of a lawsuit of the late 1970s and it denied having certain UFO documents, but after the lawsuit, the CIA released many UFO case file documents that it claimed it never had. My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitat Posted May 17, 2011 #46 Share Posted May 17, 2011 What is needed, precisely, is people with direct experience to come forward, in the public interest, with detailed information and to hell with the possible repercussions as regards any breaches of official secrecy laws. I don't see much evidence that is happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Religious Hoax Posted May 17, 2011 #47 Share Posted May 17, 2011 IMO, disclosure has already happened. Colonel John Alexander is the highest ranked military official to come out and say ET exists. Surprisingly he hasn't been the victim of character assassination or debunking attempts since going public. When a Colonel speaks, EVERYONE listens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyeagle409 Posted May 17, 2011 #48 Share Posted May 17, 2011 (edited) IMO, disclosure has already happened. Colonel John Alexander is the highest ranked military official to come out and say ET exists. Surprisingly he hasn't been the victim of character assassination or debunking attempts since going public. When a Colonel speaks, EVERYONE listens. Brig. Gen. Arthur E. Exon Former commanding officer, Wright-Patterson AFB What Roswell Was (RUCU) (C&S, p. 191, 194) "...They knew they had something new in their hands. The metal and material was unknown to anyone I talked to. Whatever they found, I never heard what the results were. A couple of guys thought it might be Russian, but the overall consensus was that the pieces were from space. Everyone from the White House on down knew that what we had found was not of this world within 24 hours of our finding it. ...Roswell was the recovery of a craft from space." [/url] Edited May 17, 2011 by skyeagle409 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DONTEATUS Posted May 17, 2011 #49 Share Posted May 17, 2011 All one can say is,"The Ones that Know wont tell the Ones that wanna Know" Its up to each of us to decide what we want to Know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Religious Hoax Posted May 17, 2011 #50 Share Posted May 17, 2011 Brig. Gen. Arthur E. Exon Former commanding officer, Wright-Patterson AFB What Roswell Was (RUCU) (C&S, p. 191, 194) "...They knew they had something new in their hands. The metal and material was unknown to anyone I talked to. Whatever they found, I never heard what the results were. A couple of guys thought it might be Russian, but the overall consensus was that the pieces were from space. Everyone from the White House on down knew that what we had found was not of this world within 24 hours of our finding it. ...Roswell was the recovery of a craft from space." [/url] It's quite ironic that we have all of these high-ranking military officials telling us that ET is real based off of their evidence, yet it continues to fall on deaf ears. I suppose it's a self-defense mechanism to help cope with Earthly ethnocentrism. It's pretty obvious humanity is not ready for disclosure if we keep on dismissing what is staring us right in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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