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This is BIG. Make no mistake. Scientifically and politically this is huge.....

I came across this yesterday...and WOW !

Mehran Keshe is a man that we will be hearing a lot more about, I'm sure.

Although the Main Stream Media will struggle with it. Because it is exposure/disclosure

about Plasma technolgy that takes science onto another level.

the actual interview doesn't start until...7:40....long lead in.... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q70f4hXp3GY

part 2 and links to other parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTcGur4YbVQ&feature=related

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And the USA hasn't. UFO drones are being desinged every year. Nothing new.

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Oh well, gives the Israelis some more bombing targets, I guess.

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Oh well, gives the Israelis some more bombing targets, I guess.

Israel will run away and hide as usual.

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And the USA hasn't. UFO drones are being desinged every year. Nothing new.

difference is that Mehran Keshe is opening it all up to the public

something the US hasn't done with all the new advanced technology

anyway...as you are interested enough to reply to my thread...(thanks)

perhaps you are interested enough to listen to the Mehran Keshe interview....

and maybe you will love the bits about plastic coca cola bottles as much as I did.... :)

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Oh well, gives the Israelis some more bombing targets, I guess.

it could go a long way to explaining why Iran was hammered in the press a while back

but not so much now.

It looks like Iran was getting into nuclear matters....primarily...for Space exploration

rather than weaponization...and there could be a problem with 'nuclear war' anyway

(see my Bruce Cathie thread if you want to know more about that...)

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This is BIG. Make no mistake. Scientifically and politically this is huge.....

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:blink:

Sigh, another scammer, fraudster... People juuuust love to be fooled...

Here is podcast with Gerard Ryle (author of Firepower: The Most Spectacular Fraud in Australian History) and Liar, liar, pants on fire (about "nice" man Tim Johnston). Not exactly selling tickets to the Moon, or "magic" generators, as M.Keshe did/or still do (BTW, what happened to his "public presentations", huh?), but from the same opera. Its worth to hear and watch, how many people were ****ed by the "nice" man.

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This is BIG. Make no mistake. Scientifically and politically this is huge.....

I came across this yesterday...and WOW !

Mehran Keshe is a man that we will be hearing a lot more about, I'm sure.

Although the Main Stream Media will struggle with it. Because it is exposure/disclosure

about Plasma technolgy that takes science onto another level.

the actual interview doesn't start until...7:40....long lead in.... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q70f4hXp3GY

part 2 and links to other parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTcGur4YbVQ&feature=related

:tu:

Hiya bee...

You certainly do find some real chestnuts every once and a while. The whole thing seems too good to be true, doesn't it? It appears to me that the reason it seems like it is too good to be true is that it most likely isn't true. Consider the following smattering of links which show how deceptive this Mehran Keshe has proven to be over the years. Oh yes, he's been around pushing this story for the last couple of years or so it seems...

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/11410/

http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php/5019-Keshe-Space-Foundation-scam

http://keshespacescam.blogspot.com/2010/02/keshe-space-scam.html

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=121246

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread484812/pg1

Now, I know how much you and many others like to get all excited about these free energy, new propulsion technology claims, and anything else that seems to defy modern science but at which point do you take a step back and think "if this is true, why haven't they proven it?" Is there a point where you will do that?

There are so many signs of the huckster in this interview alone. Nothing independently verified. Never actually demonstrated his technologies despite a couple of promises to do so in 2009 and 2010. His technology supposedly provides free energy, plasma propulsion, and even medical miracles (come on... you seriously buy this?). His organization is strictly non-profit but he will not share who else is involved. Nobody can visit his laboratory.

*sigh*

This will probably all fall on deaf ears, but I will post it anyway. Whatever you do with his supposed message, I sincerely hope that you don't send him any money.

Cheers bee, have a great weekend.

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This might, though, explain why President "Obama" has gone rather quiet on the Iranian front of late ......

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Now, I know how much you and many others like to get all excited about these free energy, new propulsion technology claims, and anything else that seems to defy modern science but at which point do you take a step back and think "if this is true, why haven't they proven it?" Is there a point where you will do that?

There are so many signs of the huckster in this interview alone. Nothing independently verified. Never actually demonstrated his technologies despite a couple of promises to do so in 2009 and 2010. His technology supposedly provides free energy, plasma propulsion, and even medical miracles (come on... you seriously buy this?). His organization is strictly non-profit but he will not share who else is involved. Nobody can visit his laboratory.

*sigh*

This will probably all fall on deaf ears, but I will post it anyway. Whatever you do with his supposed message, I sincerely hope that you don't send him any money.

Cheers bee, have a great weekend.

You can tell by watching him hes a fraudstar.

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Im sorry, bee, but,... :sleepy::sleepy:

No... to all of it.

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Let em build all they want ! We will just Rope-em-shot-em. And wrangle-em-down to the Ground ! like in Cowboys and Aliens ! Go See them Both ! Super-8 ! :rolleyes:

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Sigh, another scammer, fraudster... People juuuust love to be fooled...

Here is podcast with Gerard Ryle (author of Firepower: The Most Spectacular Fraud in Australian History) and Liar, liar, pants on fire (about "nice" man Tim Johnston). Not exactly selling tickets to the Moon, or "magic" generators, as M.Keshe did/or still do (BTW, what happened to his "public presentations", huh?), but from the same opera. Its worth to hear and watch, how many people were ****ed by the "nice" man.

what your link has to do with this topic.....I don't know....nothing as far as I can see

as for Keshe being involved with commercial space travel and delivering the goods on that..

that is something we will have to wait and see...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation

Keshe asserts that they will be making commercial space flight available as early as 2014, using anti-gravity technology as well as new power production technology. They hope to make commercial flights to the moon available by as early as the end of 2016.

but he's not the only one.....getting into this area...

http://www.virgingalactic.com/booking/

Tickets cost $200,000 and deposits start from $20,000. If you are interested in discussing your reservation with us directly please fill in the booking form below and we will be in touch as soon as possible to answer any questions you may have. Or you can contact one of our Accredited Space Agents around the world. They have been specially selected and trained by us to handle all aspects of your spaceflight reservation. If you just want to receive regular updates from us then please click here.

and when looking up 'space tourism'....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_tourism

At the end of the 1990s, MirCorp, a private venture by then in charge of the space station, began seeking potential space tourists to visit Mir in order to offset some of its maintenance costs. Dennis Tito, an American businessman and former JPL scientist, became their first candidate. When the decision to de-orbit Mir was made, Tito managed to switch his trip to the International Space Station through a deal between MirCorp and U.S.-based Space Adventures, Ltd., despite strong opposition from senior figures at NASA. From the beginning of the International Space Station expeditions, NASA stated it wasn't interested in space guests.[8] Space Adventures remains the only company to have sent paying passengers to space.[9][10]

In conjunction with the Federal Space Agency of the Russian Federation and Rocket and Space Corporation (Energia), Space Adventures facilitated the flights for all of the world's first private space explorers. The first three participants paid in excess of $20 million (USD) each for their 10-day visit to the ISS.

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Hiya bee...

You certainly do find some real chestnuts every once and a while. The whole thing seems too good to be true, doesn't it? It appears to me that the reason it seems like it is too good to be true is that it most likely isn't true. Consider the following smattering of links which show how deceptive this Mehran Keshe has proven to be over the years. Oh yes, he's been around pushing this story for the last couple of years or so it seems...

http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/forums/viewthread/11410/

http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php/5019-Keshe-Space-Foundation-scam

http://keshespacescam.blogspot.com/2010/02/keshe-space-scam.html

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=121246

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread484812/pg1

things aren't always 'what they seem' though....and there is obviously a campaign on the go

to discredit The Keshe Foundation.

We could look at your links two ways.....the first...that they are legit and filled with honest people.

The second that they are filled with dishonest people who are trying to discredit Keshe because he

poses a threat. Financially and politically.

The ATS link isn't too bad....the others are just your usual evangelical-sceptic cum paid disinformation-agent trash, IMO

Now, I know how much you and many others like to get all excited about these free energy, new propulsion technology claims, and anything else that seems to defy modern science but at which point do you take a step back and think "if this is true, why haven't they proven it?" Is there a point where you will do that?

re underlined...

they will prove it when they get the chance, I suppose...without hindrance....

Perhaps the Keshe Foundation will manage to push through the barriers set up

by the status quo...to protect the status quo.

http://keshefoundation.com/home.html

There are so many signs of the huckster in this interview alone. Nothing independently verified. Never actually demonstrated his technologies despite a couple of promises to do so in 2009 and 2010. His technology supposedly provides free energy, plasma propulsion, and even medical miracles (come on... you seriously buy this?). His organization is strictly non-profit but he will not share who else is involved. Nobody can visit his laboratory.

it's his laboratory...he can invite who he wants to it.

*sigh*

aaaahhhhh the *sigh* game..... :lol:

This will probably all fall on deaf ears, but I will post it anyway. Whatever you do with his supposed message, I sincerely hope that you don't send him any money.

Cheers bee, have a great weekend.

deaf ears....I could say the same about you

you have a good weekend too..... ;)

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This might, though, explain why President "Obama" has gone rather quiet on the Iranian front of late ......

that's what I thought....

the political implications of Iran joining in with Space Exploration and claiming the 'high-ground'

with new plasma technology....must be of concern to those who got it first? But kept it under wraps?

and are now caught between a rock and a hard place...

Iran will look more technologically advanced than the US in the public mind, with flying saucer tech

but what can the US say....."oh we knew/used that years and years ago, we just didn't tell you"

Talk about a political mine-field

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(this actually would go quite nicely on my Bruce Cathie thread as well.. :wacko: ).

these are the kinds of concepts and technology that Lockheed Martin Skunk Works

was probably using decades ago....unbeknowst to the General Public.

Now Iran has it. And in conjuction with Keshe isn't shy about talking about it.

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So Iran has advanced alien techology? Then they should be undefeatable in war.

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I dont know what are they doing but i read somewhere in UM i think, that Irans nuclear program is actualy based for space exploration purposes, i dont know if that is true but i read it. So maybe they are working on a space vessel in shape of saucer, but there is nothing alien about it...US did experiments with saucer shape aircraft too, that means they have "alien" technology too? Maybe there is something to the design of that shape that is proving usefull..

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If (huge if) Iran has/or ever had this type of technology, they wouldn't have it for long, and the only smoking gun (pardon the pun) to it's existence would be large black clouds on the morning news stations.....forget the US for a second, does anybody seriously believe that Israel is going to let them take a huuuuuge technological leap, with something that can have weapons implications. Sorry, but I just don't buy into that scenario being allowed to continue...

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things aren't always 'what they seem' though....and there is obviously a campaign on the go

to discredit The Keshe Foundation.

We could look at your links two ways.....the first...that they are legit and filled with honest people.

The second that they are filled with dishonest people who are trying to discredit Keshe because he

poses a threat. Financially and politically.

The ATS link isn't too bad....the others are just your usual evangelical-sceptic cum paid disinformation-agent trash, IMO

Hiya again bee. I think that you may be misinterpreting my intention.

When someone makes extraordinary claims my rule of thumb is to apply a higher standard of scrutiny. The first part of that scrutiny involves looking for already revealed points of concern, inconsistencies, factual errors, and any other red flags. That was where those links came from. I took another look through those links this morning to see if there was anything of real substance and honestly there really wasn't much; just a bunch of naysayers for the most part.

I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but initially it looked a heck of a lot like he was out to scam people; and for significant amounts of money. Surely that is something that would be of concern, right? It has nothing to do with illegitimately discrediting The Keshe Foundation and everything to do with identifying whether it is all just a big scam.

So I watched his videos on youtube, looked over his website(s), read one of his papers, watched a 45 minute long google video (here), and looked into a few more references that I could find (example).

The end result so far... I'm not quite sure what to make of his claims at this point. Most of it seems far fetched, but I suppose that would be expected if he truly has made a new discovery of some kind. The biggest concern I still have is his apparent lack of follow-through and actual demonstration of the technologies.

He talks it up really well, has some interesting videos that sound compelling to a layman, some papers that look compelling to a layman, promises groundbreaking achievements and benefits, seems like an honest guy when you watch him speak or listen to him, but never seems to actually deliver. Perhaps I'm not trusting enough, but this set of characteristics is part and parcel for hucksters and scammers.

I want to believe. I really do. Actually, you have no idea how much I want him to be legit but I seriously do. The problem I have with that though... is that he hasn't delivered as promised.

re underlined...

they will prove it when they get the chance, I suppose...without hindrance....

Perhaps the Keshe Foundation will manage to push through the barriers set up

by the status quo...to protect the status quo.

http://keshefoundation.com/home.html

Well, I look forward to such proof if it is forthcoming. By all means if he can deliver everything he claims to be able to deliver with this technology and new information it would be of great benefit to the world and all of humanity. Even if it turns out that he is only creating graphene cheaply and easily (as is indicated here and on his website) with these experiments it would prove of benefit. Some links about graphene:

Graphene on wiki

All Experts Description of Graphene

2010 Article - Nobel Prize

Graphene has unusual properties, which makes it the material of choice for a number of emerging pieces of technology. Thanks to its honeycombed structure, it has astounding stability and is so far the most rigid material on earth. Its also conductive and almost transparent.

So far the biggest obstacles to using graphene (and its sibling materials like the carbon nanotubes, which is basically a sheet of graphene folded into a tube) are their astounding cost, as well as the lack of technology to produce wafers with a big area. The largest wafer yet created is 75cm across.

Graphene has found mention in several threads here as well.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=206608&pid=3914012&st=0entry3914012

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=158339&pid=2982034&st=0entry2982034

And many other threads which you are well aware of it would seem... :P

it's his laboratory...he can invite who he wants to it.

Fair enough I suppose.

aaaahhhhh the *sigh* game..... :lol:

deaf ears....I could say the same about you

you have a good weekend too..... ;)

*sigh*

I'm still concerned about his no-show as a speaker for the Space, Propulsion & Energy Sciences International Forum (SPESIF- 2010) at Johns Hopkins - Applied Physics Laboratory (Feb. 23-25, 2010).

And on his (old?) website he still has a section devoted to a planned series of events called Bright lights in the sky.

Projected Date of presentation

Asia : on 21.3. 2010.

North or South America : on 21.4.2010

Europe : on 21.5.2010

Africa : On 21.6.2010

Australasian : on 21.7.2010

Unless I'm mistaken... these never took place. Do you happen to know if they did bee?

He also has plans for moon missions outlined there. Nice little pdf. Book Now! it suggests... and you can fly to the moon in his space ship which he has named Mojhans.

spacecraft3-5.jpg

I sure hope he has some more technical plans for that ship than this.

At the very least he has piqued my curiosity. I'll continue looking into this.

Cheers.

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Hiya again bee. I think that you may be misinterpreting my intention.

When someone makes extraordinary claims my rule of thumb is to apply a higher standard of scrutiny. The first part of that scrutiny involves looking for already revealed points of concern, inconsistencies, factual errors, and any other red flags. That was where those links came from. I took another look through those links this morning to see if there was anything of real substance and honestly there really wasn't much; just a bunch of naysayers for the most part.

I really want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but initially it looked a heck of a lot like he was out to scam people; and for significant amounts of money. Surely that is something that would be of concern, right? It has nothing to do with illegitimately discrediting The Keshe Foundation and everything to do with identifying whether it is all just a big scam.

So I watched his videos on youtube, looked over his website(s), read one of his papers, watched a 45 minute long google video (here), and looked into a few more references that I could find (example).

The end result so far... I'm not quite sure what to make of his claims at this point. Most of it seems far fetched, but I suppose that would be expected if he truly has made a new discovery of some kind. The biggest concern I still have is his apparent lack of follow-through and actual demonstration of the technologies.

He talks it up really well, has some interesting videos that sound compelling to a layman, some papers that look compelling to a layman, promises groundbreaking achievements and benefits, seems like an honest guy when you watch him speak or listen to him, but never seems to actually deliver. Perhaps I'm not trusting enough, but this set of characteristics is part and parcel for hucksters and scammers.

I want to believe. I really do. Actually, you have no idea how much I want him to be legit but I seriously do. The problem I have with that though... is that he hasn't delivered as promised.

Well, I look forward to such proof if it is forthcoming. By all means if he can deliver everything he claims to be able to deliver with this technology and new information it would be of great benefit to the world and all of humanity. Even if it turns out that he is only creating graphene cheaply and easily (as is indicated here and on his website) with these experiments it would prove of benefit. Some links about graphene:

Graphene on wiki

All Experts Description of Graphene

2010 Article - Nobel Prize

Graphene has found mention in several threads here as well.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=206608&pid=3914012&st=0entry3914012

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=158339&pid=2982034&st=0entry2982034

And many other threads which you are well aware of it would seem... :P

Fair enough I suppose.

*sigh*

I'm still concerned about his no-show as a speaker for the Space, Propulsion & Energy Sciences International Forum (SPESIF- 2010) at Johns Hopkins - Applied Physics Laboratory (Feb. 23-25, 2010).

And on his (old?) website he still has a section devoted to a planned series of events called Bright lights in the sky.

Unless I'm mistaken... these never took place. Do you happen to know if they did bee?

He also has plans for moon missions outlined there. Nice little pdf. Book Now! it suggests... and you can fly to the moon in his space ship which he has named Mojhans.

spacecraft3-5.jpg

I sure hope he has some more technical plans for that ship than this.

At the very least he has piqued my curiosity. I'll continue looking into this.

Cheers.

Is the Grey Half-a-Ball where the Cheerieo`s are kept? That secret Power plant for the FTL Saucer.

I think Pee-wee`s Bike will beat it in a Race!

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You can tell by watching him hes a fraudstar.

I hope you never get called up for jury service.... :P

Im sorry, bee, but,... :sleepy::sleepy:

No... to all of it.

rightbackatcha..... :sleepy:

So Iran has advanced alien techology? Then they should be undefeatable in war.

errrr no...because the US has had the advanced alien technology for decades?

I dont know what are they doing but i read somewhere in UM i think, that Irans nuclear program is actualy based for space exploration purposes, i dont know if that is true but i read it. So maybe they are working on a space vessel in shape of saucer, but there is nothing alien about it...US did experiments with saucer shape aircraft too, that means they have "alien" technology too? Maybe there is something to the design of that shape that is proving usefull..

it does look like all the panic about Iran and nuclear matters wasn't about weapons but about space exploration.

not just the shape though...of course...the tech behind it...which may function in harmony with the saucer shape

or spherical shape.

If (huge if) Iran has/or ever had this type of technology, they wouldn't have it for long, and the only smoking gun (pardon the pun) to it's existence would be large black clouds on the morning news stations.....forget the US for a second, does anybody seriously believe that Israel is going to let them take a huuuuuge technological leap, with something that can have weapons implications. Sorry, but I just don't buy into that scenario being allowed to continue...

I thought like that a while back...that Iran could end up as a big smouldering radiated hole...

but then came my Bruce Cathie thread...and I am inclined to believe what he says about nuclear war.

ie. that it is not a logical possibility when all the nuclear powers share all the info on the

'windows of opportunity'.

also...the major nuclear powers are finely balanced and I don't think Russia or China would allow

that to happen to Iran

Is the Grey Half-a-Ball where the Cheerieo`s are kept? That secret Power plant for the FTL Saucer.

I think Pee-wee`s Bike will beat it in a Race!

yeah...... :blink:

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errrr no...because the US has had the advanced alien technology for decades?

Can you name one time they've used it?

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Can you name one time they've used it?

Oh, I expect it's bits and bobs of it...here and there....it's all a bit secret ya know... :geek:

although Ben Rich former Director of Lockheed Martin Skunk Works said....

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2010/08/ufo-are-real-ben-rich-lockheed-skunk.html

Dr. Ben R. Rich former Lockheed Skunk Works director confirmed:

1. There are 2 types of UFOs -- the ones we build and ones 'they' build. We learned from both crash retrievals and actual "hand-me-downs." The Government knew and until 1969 took an active hand in the administration of that information. After a 1969 Nixon "purge", administration was handled by an international board of directors in the private sector…

2. Nearly all "biomorphic" aerospace designs were inspired by the Roswell spacecraft -- from Kelly's SR-71 Blackbird onward to today's drones, UCAVs, and aerospace craft…

and he should know (or DID know when he was alive)

so it's probably much much more than bits and bobs.... :innocent:

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haven't forgotten your post booN... :tu: ....will answer later when I have more time.

but for now.....

special delivery to Mehran Keshe..... :D

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