External Influences on your Mind and Body

[darkbreed]

External Influences: An introduction

by Edward «Maggador» Alexander

Those in control are using different forms of External Influences against the population. They mainly use spiritual means such as telepathy, and implements thoughts of their own into your mind that you end up believing is your own thoughts, and so on. They can also direct your "spiritual experiences" by creating false "spiritual realms" for you to experience with deceitful "guides" - a vast majority of ALL the channeled information so popular in the New Age scene these days are result of this method, and these entities being channeled are usually deceitful and serves the purpose of blinding people and luring them into new belief systems that somewhat feeds their spiritual hunger. This spiritual hunger is the natural part of a humans psyche and mind since he himself is indeed a very spiritual being, and this is a subconscious knowledge and an intuition that people can feel, thus Religions are so popular as they too satisfies the Spiritual Hunger to some degree.

These entities can influence the minds of people through different means, to create specific thought patterns, behaviors and emotions in those people. This influence is done from astral telepathical connections with victims, to various technology that alters the persons state of mind, hypnotic suggestions, religious control, the media, and so much more.

There are however many ways of Mind Control and how External Energies influences People. Some of these includes:

Thought-control by implementing ideas, beliefs, thoughts and emotions through psychic means. This is done both by individual entities, by groups, by larger Consciousnesses, and even by different People in between themselves.

Spiritual Experiences - this goes from meetings with "Angels" and "Demons", to "Guides" and so on, "Advanced Beings" whom tell you the "truth" and show you "reality" etc. Most peoples Spiritual Experiences takes place on very low levels of Existence, and are far from what anything is really about, just a mere weak reflection of a fragment of Totality.

Religions - This is very popular, and goes in hand with Spiritual Experiences as well as Thought Control. It is rather self-explaining, and shortly said religions are very effective at making people follow certain ways of lifestyle, belief, personality etc.

Technology - Many forms of technology exists in the physical world to increase the effects of all the above, or to use it on its own for mind control, and these are basically anything based on "wavelength" technology, which in turn is Vibrations. Vibrations affects everything, including the Mind and how it behaves. Examples on this type of technology is Sound Waves, you all know how sounds can induce different states of mind such as relaxation or excitement, specially from the musical industry, but it goes deeper and sounds can be used in frequencies that have both mental and physical effects upon people, some of these frequencies making people more "dumbed down", and open for suggestion , putting them in a hypnotic state so to speak. These sounds also are effective since they can be executed in frequencies of too high or too low vibrations to actually "hear" with the human ears, yet they still affect you.

Many people will recognize this if they have been doing meditations where they have used technology such as hemi-sync, binaural beats , etc to achieve various altered states of mind. Programs such as Neuro-Programmer, Brainwave Generator and I-Doser are good examples on software using this technology.

Sounds can be used at frequencies too high or low for the human ear to hear it, and thus make it rather disguised, and still give various mental or physical effects on those whom are being submitted to it. Of course this goes for other technologies too based on the same principles, such as the mentioned radio frequencies and other types of emitting signals that can't be directly heard nor seen.

The brain will automatically "tune in" or "synchronize" itself to such signals and "align" you with whatever that signal is supposed to "align" you to, such as making you more prone to suggestions and hypnotic commands, or make you more aggressive, or create nervousness and fear, and so on.

Radio waves and related technology is also very hazardous to the Mind and Body and can be used to directly influence and control people, and it is very effective since it is both invisible and undetectable without specific technological equipment.

The "Flicker Method" relates to sound waves and radio waves etc since it too is part of the "wave-based" mind control technology. An important "extension" of the "flicker" method mentioned is the use of SOUND to achieve the same effects. Not only sound for that matter, but basically most types of technologies using based on "frequencies" or "waves", whether that is the mentioned "flickering" from TV's and monitors etc, the sound waves, radio frequencies, and so on.

Light, sound, frequencies, vibrations - very powerful tools that can be used and abused to create various mental and physical effects in humans.

In addition we do have the spiritual side of things as mentioned above, which is of a major method used for mind control and brain washing. This is mostly ignored by those studying these matters, unfortunately, but an extremely large amount of energy is transmitted through, for the lack of better words, "psychic" energies, carrying a specific "charge" that will result in a specific "effect" when it is "received". The "spiritual method" is widely practiced and used by the elite , and others , to control and affect the population. It can be as extreme as actually "injecting" various thoughts, ideas and presumptions etc into a victims mind - even if this sounds silly or impossible to most people, the sad truth is that it is one of the most used ways for such. From my own involvement with governments and secret societies and orders and my own various spiritual and mental practices for a couple decades this is to me an absolute fact that I have seen and experienced being used by these groups first-hand myself.

Now the specific ways to initiate a "spiritual attack" against someone differs, it could be done from symbolism (which is all over and charged with very specific energies) to more complex rituals and ceremonies (as an example, 9/11 was a "mega ritual" that served several purposes, "spiritual warfare" being one of them, the hidden side of the whole event).

The good thing is that your mind (mental-spiritual) is the most powerful thing (including "weapon") in the universe, and you can protect yourself against everything mentioned in this whole thread using your mind alone. Sure it takes practice, but now that you are aware of it, I do recommend you to take some steps towards using the powers you already got at the tip of your fingers (or tip of your spine to be literal and block such negative energies from being able to reach you.

Some further information on the "WHO and HOW" behind "external influences":

The Collective Consciousness - the group consciousness of the Human Kind, which is connected with ever Human Being, and this can be manipulated by injecting various thought-forms into it, and thus in turn affect a large amount of the population all at once. In a sense, the Collective Consciousness can be called the "Master User Interface" since it doesnt target specific individuals, but the whole group.

The Dream World - This is connected with the Collective Consciousness, as well as other aspects that will be mentioned below. In the Dream World people are constantly attacked and being taken advantaged of, mind controlled, and programmed. People are very open for suggestions in this state of mind.

Hypnosis - All people are very open for hypnotic suggestions and commands. It is built into the human psyche and a way to control and manipulate people. Some examples on entities and groups taking advantage of hypnotic commands and subliminal messages are The Media (News, Television, Movies, Internet, etc), Religions, Governments, various Leaders, Politicians, and on non-physical planes you have spirit entities such as astral vampires, "angels and demons", and so on.

Archetypes - These are entities that are part of the Human Psyche and relates to the Collective Consciousness. These influences people in different ways and different degrees through their psychic interaction with people and the way these entities basically exists and lives within the Consciousness. These are more general and wide-spread energies / entities that affects all of Mankind in contrast with "angels and demons", astral vampires etc whom are more targeted at specific individuals.

"The Elite" - the group of entities in Control, the ones mainly responsible for putting into effect all the various ways of Mind Control, and creating the Physical World, and the Servants and Slaves of those whom are higher up in the ranks within this group. They use all of the mentioned methods, and do group rituals to affect the population, etc.

Planets and Celestial bodies - This relates to the way planets, whom actually are forms of consciousnesses, and how these affects the human psyche. A good example here is Astrology, and the reason behind why Astrology "works" and can tell something about a person. Every person is charged with certain energy constructs and elements of the different Planet-Consciousnesses at birth, depending on where and when a person is born, various amounts of such energies from the different Planets and Celestial bodies are implemented and charged into that person and in turn becomes part of his Personality and the way he and others see him.

The Astral Plane - this is connected with most of the above, from "Archetypes", "Demons and Angels", "Astral Vampires", "The Dream World" to the "Elite" etc. A majority of external influence takes part on the Astral Plane, and the Astral Plane is technically where a person "really is" as far as Spirit / Soul goes. There are many levels of the Astral Planes, and we are always connected to them, and always affected by them, and we in turn also always affect them by our own thoughts and emotions. Again many groups and entities work from there, including the "Gods" and the highest of our Creators and Manipulators whom work through all the mentioned methods and levels of existence from their location in this "pyramid" and down to "us".

Thus my introduction on the common external influences is completed and I hope you have found this useful or insightful so that you can become more aware of yourself and how such influences affects you.

-Maggador

[darkbreed]

A brief summary on External Influences with some additions:

Humans are subjected to various external influences, from energies, to entities, and other human beings. Here is a summary of the major sources of such influences.

Planetary influences

Planets have an influence on humans as they are filled with energies, Archetypical entities. It is through the understanding of the energies emitted from the planetary bodies a natal chart and horoscope an be create and tell personal and intimate details about a persons life, his past, present and future. The person is charged with energies from planetary bodies at the moment of birth, and depending on the position of the planets, which ones are more close, and their distance between each other, different types of energies are merged with the human.

Some energies will have a stronger impact and charge a person with more of one type of energy than others, and this creates the basic makeup of a persons personality, his state of mind, his destiny and so on.

Such planets will continue to affect a person through his life, and by the movement of the planetary bodies and the force of their various energies being emitted and received by individual human beings, also depending on the persons own specific location in the world where certain planetary energies are stronger than in other places of the world

This creates the blueprint of that person. You can say that a person is not really himself, or his pure being, due to these external influences. It is possible to learn how to minimize – or increase – certain energies emitted and received from such planetary bodies. Through this, a person can change his original state of being, or his blueprint, and make him filled with more of wanted qualities, and less of unwanted qualities, and get closer to his real being.

Astral and non-physical influences

Astral entities also influence people, and emit energies that are received and implemented in the humans mind and body. There are many types of non-physical, or astral, entities – some of them influencing people on purpose with specific energies, thought patterns, to alter the persons state of mind. It can be said to be a form of mind control, and very few people are aware of or will ever notice these influences, as they seem to be a part of themselves – and thus people generally believe they simply are the way they are because that is how they are.

Various diseases, ailments and other problems can also result from being expose to such external influences by astral entities. One can protect oneself from being influenced by such astral entities, just as with any other external influence. This will usually improve a persons well being, and certain astral entities are actually beneficial and can influence a person with positive energies that will heal, give insights, and help with anything from physical and mental problems, to increase success and happiness etc.

Earth based influences

Specific locations on Earth itself also is charge with various energies that influences people, both their mind, state of being, and health. Some places have a positive energy fields, resulting in an improvement in the persons experience of himself, while other places have a negative energies, resulting in problems and a deteriorating state of being. The Earth is filled with energy spots, grid points, ley lines and so on which have various influences, good or bad, on a person. One can seek out the most beneficial locations, and avoid the more negative locations, to improve oneself. As an example, many ancient pyramids and temples are built on top of positive energy spots, improving the people living there, and even giving them more profound spiritual connection and experiences.

Technological influences

Technological man-made devices also influence humans in various ways, mostly negative, as such devices often radiate negative and dangerous energies. Many such devices are built on purpose to manipulate human beings, influence them for mind control, to change their state of mind, and make them easier to maintain power over. Some examples includes radio stations, televisions, broadcasting stations, cell-phones and all different types of antennas, power grids, various electronic devices, computers, and so on. Again this can be avoided by staying as little as possible near such , and live far away from places with such technology.

Human influences

Human beings themselves greatly affect each other. Thoughts are telepathically emitted and received by others. This can be used for both good and bad, on purpose or unintentionally. As an example, if you have negative thoughts about a person, or even yourself, you will manifest these negatives energies to a greater extent within that person or yourself. On the opposite, having a positive attitude and thoughts about other people and yourself, will manifest positive energies and experiences for such people and yourself.

Karmic and Past Life influences

Karma is the energetic influence put upon yourself from your actions, whether this is physical actions towards others and yourself, or mental / thought based actions. Past Lives also can carry with you an energetic influence through reincarnations, from past events, experiences and actions – somewhat relating to Karma. This can be balanced out and cleansed through proper self-work. Also, again, such influences can be of both a positive or negative nature, affecting your present life in different ways.

A lot of the negative experiences, emotions, anger, hatred, depression, physical problems, difficulties in life, problematic state of mind and so on, is a direct effect of all the above mentioned external influences constantly being bombarded upon us.

All this can luckily be changed, by being aware of how one is influenced, and how one influences others, and take the necessary actions to change ones situation and improve oneself.

Also remember, helping others is helping yourself, and by helping yourself you will help others.

The different aspects of influences mentioned here could of course be greatly expanded upon and explained in much further detail, but for now I decided to keep it short, easy to read and understand, as well as providing the most important information in its basic form.

Blessings,

--Maggador

[psychoticmike]

hi darkbreed, i was wondering if you could share some personal experiences related to this. Also if this was true, how come it isn't known by a lot of people? all the people who work on electronics etc. how are they kept in the dark about this? In order to make an electronic device such as a cellphone or computer etc. you would have to know how to do it, and a big portion of that is knowing what all the components are and what they do, so how has this not been discovered by any of them?

[White Crane Feather]

How much does the tin foil hat cost?

[darkbreed]

hi darkbreed, i was wondering if you could share some personal experiences related to this. Also if this was true, how come it isn't known by a lot of people? all the people who work on electronics etc. how are they kept in the dark about this? In order to make an electronic device such as a cellphone or computer etc. you would have to know how to do it, and a big portion of that is knowing what all the components are and what they do, so how has this not been discovered by any of them?

I do not really understand your logic saying that those working with electronics should know more about the things I mention, than anyone else. There's absolutely no relation between what they work with and what I speak of here.

Nevertheless, a lot of people DO know about these things, specially people in power, world leaders, religious leaders, politicians, people in the media, scientists, psychologists, common people, members of secret orders and societies and various other spiritual and occult groups etc. Perhaps all of these are not familiar with all the different aspects I mention, but they do know about several of them and use them against other people themselves. Some of the more important work of those in specific positions in the governments and religious movements is to keep this knowledge away from you, so they can keep it for themselves and use it to abuse other people and gain control and power over them. The same goes for many of the secret orders and societies, although some of these also are using it for generally more positive purposes and mainly keep it secret due to its potential for abuse and instead they share this information with people more indirectly some individuals a time whom would be other members of the same order / society.

Things such as the major religious institutions such as the Vatican and the religion Christianity have been created and put in place to further keep people away from knowing the truth, and stay blinded by false beliefs thus being more easy to control and manipulate. This is also the reason for why the Vatican and Church have slaughtered and killed large amounts of people throughout history, destroying civilizations such as the ones that were spread out in Americas, since these people had more understanding and spiritual & mental awareness than what would be useful for them as they would not be able to manipulate and control such people as easy as the rest. Those "witches" and "sorcerers" they cleaned out of Europe also belongs to groups of people that were more free and insightful spiritually & mentally, and would be a direct threat against their power structure.

Further on, more modern movements such as the New Age scene and alternative movement is being used to further confuse people, deceive them and mislead them by putting material into circulation explaining various spiritual and esoteric elements completely wrong so people will be more prone to abuse rather than spiritually & mentally liberated.

My own involvement with this topic spans over a large amount of fields and areas where I have worked directly with and studies of such things, seen it in practice, experienced it. Some of these fields I have been involved with includes experience, practice and studies within psychology, hypnosis, the occult & esoteric, the spiritual, governmental institutions and groups, several secret orders and societies I'm a member of and directly have been in contact with many highly profiled people of all parts of society involved with such things, and more. Thus I have gained a fairly complete understanding of these different influences and how they work and how many of these are used for the purposes mentioned.

Most people are already aware of certain elements such as subliminal messages, hypnotic commands, psychological tricks and so on performed and used by various of these mentioned groups such as governments, the media, corporations, religious institutions and so on. What I have told here is an extension of the influences and methods of influencing used by the same groups and others.

[ChloeB]

Things such as the major religious institutions such as the Vatican and the religion Christianity have been created and put in place to further keep people away from knowing the truth, and stay blinded by false beliefs thus being more easy to control and manipulate.

What truth are you talking about they're hiding?

[darkbreed]

What truth are you talking about they're hiding?

Basically the truth about all I have written about in this thread. The truth of how we work, how the world works, how we are influenced by different sources, how we all have these mental & spiritual abilities that they themselves are using and keeping secret, the truth of our origins, of why were are here, how we got here, the truth of spiritual experiences such as life after death, reincarnation, psychic experiences, our spiritual bodies including our souls and other aspects, what they really believe and practice, the ways they deceive us, how they are abusing us for slaves and keep power and control over us, how history really is and how various events have transpired that is completely different than what history books tell, and so much more.

[Mr Walker]

Of course there is some truth in what you say. Spin doctors, priests; and anyone who seeks power, like a politician, is tempted and likely to use psychological means to spread their world view and get their way. Ordinary people feel more comfortable with the known and predictable, and many people work this to their advantage. But a lot of the metaphysical stuff you speak of is IMO simply rubbish. First of all, it is not effective enough. Mst people are neither effective transmitters nor receptors to "psychic" messages, let alone capable of mind control. The more mundane and ordinary methods work much better and more effectively.

Some people can open their minds to others, but those people are also capable of protecting their mind from intrusion. The percentage of humans capable of this form of interaction is so low as to be useless for practical purposes.

And you make the classic mistake of thinking leaders impose ideas and beliefs on people. People chose and accept ideas and beliefs which benefit them, and work for them. They accept leaders who are compatible with their needs for protection comfort and peace.

Even leaders who take their people to war have to convince them that this will achieve what the people most want. Humans are herd, group/tribal creatures by nature. And that explains the way we group and form hierachies.

I am afraid that you, and everyone, just has to accept and take responsibilty for the fact that what you think, believe, and do, is entirely down to you. No one else can make you think, or do, anything you chose not to. Not by torture, nor by psychic mind control.

ps dont get me wrong. I found this a very interesting and informative line of thought. As a philosophical essay it is fascinating. But it simply runs counter to too many knowns from our understanding of human neurolgy and the nature of thought, to many known/observable laws of physics, to accept without reservation.

I agrre that man ypeole become wage slaves trapped in an illusion that material possessions are important for happiness But we all aquiese in that belief/illusion and chose to be slaves to the system. There is no sinister overt or covert plan to force us into this life style. Most humans seek it out. We willingly surrender autonomy for safety and comfort.

Edited August 7, 2011 by Mr Walker

[ChloeB]

Basically the truth about all I have written about in this thread. The truth of how we work, how the world works, how we are influenced by different sources, how we all have these mental & spiritual abilities that they themselves are using and keeping secret, the truth of our origins, of why were are here, how we got here, the truth of spiritual experiences such as life after death, reincarnation, psychic experiences, our spiritual bodies including our souls and other aspects, what they really believe and practice, the ways they deceive us, how they are abusing us for slaves and keep power and control over us, how history really is and how various events have transpired that is completely different than what history books tell, and so much more.

It's all really interesting, but you know it's just kind of you telling us and us to take your word for it kind of deal. I'm not saying that the world we live in doesn't look like a bunch of no-thinking zombies running around, but I'm not convinced they just don't come to that naturally without the mind control, but it's all really interesting still. I watched a documentary about that 9/11 mega ritual once, something about twin pillars and that Joachim and Boaz, that's all I really remember, and a bunch of stuff about the dates and astrology.

Edited August 7, 2011 by ChloeB

[psychoticmike]

I do not really understand your logic saying that those working with electronics should know more about the things I mention, than anyone else. There's absolutely no relation between what they work with and what I speak of here.

really? first off i never said these people would know more then anyone else about it.

"There's absolutely no relation between what they work with and what I speak of here."

none whatsoever? you said this "Many such devices are built on purpose to manipulate human beings, influence them for mind control, to change their state of mind, and make them easier to maintain power over. Some examples includes radio stations, televisions, broadcasting stations, cell-phones and all different types of antennas, power grids, various electronic devices, computers, and so on." and you also said this "Examples on this type of technology is Sound Waves, you all know how sounds can induce different states of mind such as relaxation or excitement, specially from the musical industry, but it goes deeper and sounds can be used in frequencies that have both mental and physical effects upon people, some of these frequencies making people more "dumbed down", and open for suggestion , putting them in a hypnotic state so to speak. These sounds also are effective since they can be executed in frequencies of too high or too low vibrations to actually "hear" with the human ears, yet they still affect you."

what i meant by my original post was, if they are using these technologies to influence us how come it hasn't been found out by a large amount of people in these specific industries? there is frequency analyzing software, that tells you what frequencies are in a piece of audio how come people haven't found these frequencies in songs? if they have its news to me. My main point is, someone had to put these devices together to function in the manner you specified, how come none of them have come forward?

Nevertheless, a lot of people DO know about these things, specially people in power, world leaders, religious leaders, politicians, people in the media, scientists, psychologists, common people, members of secret orders and societies and various other spiritual and occult groups etc. Perhaps all of these are not familiar with all the different aspects I mention, but they do know about several of them and use them against other people themselves. Some of the more important work of those in specific positions in the governments and religious movements is to keep this knowledge away from you, so they can keep it for themselves and use it to abuse other people and gain control and power over them. The same goes for many of the secret orders and societies, although some of these also are using it for generally more positive purposes and mainly keep it secret due to its potential for abuse and instead they share this information with people more indirectly some individuals a time whom would be other members of the same order / society.

ok, i didn't say no one knew i just find it curious that given the amount of people it would take to accomplish and maintain this that none of them have had the decency to tell the common folk the truth. If this was happening someone would have to have some sort of proof right? where is it?

Things such as the major religious institutions such as the Vatican and the religion Christianity have been created and put in place to further keep people away from knowing the truth, and stay blinded by false beliefs thus being more easy to control and manipulate. This is also the reason for why the Vatican and Church have slaughtered and killed large amounts of people throughout history, destroying civilizations such as the ones that were spread out in Americas, since these people had more understanding and spiritual & mental awareness than what would be useful for them as they would not be able to manipulate and control such people as easy as the rest. Those "witches" and "sorcerers" they cleaned out of Europe also belongs to groups of people that were more free and insightful spiritually & mentally, and would be a direct threat against their power structure.

i always believed Christianity was invented to control people, and i know what the vatican has done. They got their library that they won't let most people in so what are they hiding?

Further on, more modern movements such as the New Age scene and alternative movement is being used to further confuse people, deceive them and mislead them by putting material into circulation explaining various spiritual and esoteric elements completely wrong so people will be more prone to abuse rather than spiritually & mentally liberated.

this one is quite obvious

My own involvement with this topic spans over a large amount of fields and areas where I have worked directly with and studies of such things, seen it in practice, experienced it. Some of these fields I have been involved with includes experience, practice and studies within psychology, hypnosis, the occult & esoteric, the spiritual, governmental institutions and groups, several secret orders and societies I'm a member of and directly have been in contact with many highly profiled people of all parts of society involved with such things, and more. Thus I have gained a fairly complete understanding of these different influences and how they work and how many of these are used for the purposes mentioned.

i asked for some personal experiences not for you to tell me you had these experiences. Can you give a specific example of a time where you have seen it in practice? you don't have to give any names, dates, or locations i was just wondering what transpired when you saw it in practice.

Most people are already aware of certain elements such as subliminal messages, hypnotic commands, psychological tricks and so on performed and used by various of these mentioned groups such as governments, the media, corporations, religious institutions and so on. What I have told here is an extension of the influences and methods of influencing used by the same groups and others.

yes i am aware of those. I know that what you speak of is possible (specifically the bit on frequencies)but i have many questions.

do you know of any fairly well known people (who you can name) who have come out with this information or provided proof? do you have any links so i can learn more about it? I always thought we were being manipulated to a degree. I don't know if this is related but in the past i have had thoughts that i couldn't believe came from me (if that makes sense)you know really messed up thoughts some were about doing very horrible things to my loved ones, things i would never in a million years do and they made me cry to think they came from me. another thing i have noticed is that i feel like i have a lock on my brain, like i'm not able to use it fully and i was able to before. Another strange thing is i have always thought that i had some purpose for being on this planet i always felt like i was gonna do something huge with my life to the benefit of many others (i still feel this way)i feel like i have been sabotaged almost my whole life almost like there was something i couldn't see that was manipulating me and causing me to go down the wrong track and experience very bad things.

i guess it could all be in my head, maybe i'm sabotaging myself with my own negative thoughts,i don't know, i was just wondering what you thought about this.

by the way i am not religious but i believe there could possibly be a god, seems very unlikely to me given the circumstances here on earth, and that there is no proof of his/her/it's existence, but i still think it could be possible. I'm not your normal skeptic i'm quite open minded and i think anything is possible for the most part, but what you are saying here seems impossible to me, how can they pull something like this off for so long without being thoroughly exposed?

thanks for your time.

[darkbreed]

Mr Walker: It's fine that you are skeptical, after all since these are things you do not have any experience with you would be gullible to just swallow it down whole. So I can understand your disbelief and arguments, since those arguments fits with what you know and have been taught, indoctrinated into really.

The fact of the matter however is that what I speak about is completely real, and highly used/abused where it can, and the other influences mentioned that works directly on their own and cant be handled for any directed use are there, affecting everyone, such as the planetary influences I spoke of - that's how astrology works by understanding that specific area of influence, and every of these different forms of influences I mentioned are always around us and upon us in different forms and strengths.

Simple because you personally have not observed this, or become aware of their influence upon you, does not make the fact of such influences disappear. You are only using your own experience which is limited outside these areas to create your basis of reality and how things work. Of coures you have all rights to do so, and shouldn't put something you dont know about or have not observed, experienced or verified in some way, to be included as any form of "truth". Perhaps it can be wise to take such things you are not familiar with into consideration though, as a possibility that you perhaps simply have not come to know yet. And then let time see if it will show you, with you personally properly examining and researching this in practical ways.

Your argument about people not being effective transmitters or receptors enough for having such influences upon them is, at best, your personal idea and belief about that. And nothing more. I feel very certain you have not verified or backed up such claims in any practical way and research.

In addition, people do not NEED to be very effective transmitters or receptors themselves among eachother - which is true that is the most common case, and fairly few are good at any psychic work. But this itself is actually one of the EFFECTS of the influences put upon you, to keep you AWAY from such abilities and understanding, so that these people with the control can be the masters of those abilities, to use them easily upon you, without you ever knowing about it. When we speak of the common people of the public here, they can NOT be compared to the people in control whom are practicing these things. Those whom practice it have a completely different mindset, understanding and developed spiritual side of themselves. They have extremely long experience and practice going hundreds of years back in time, through generation after generation, where it has always been openly practiced and known within their closed groups. And those people DO have what the general public lack, which is the effective mind and power to use it and various spiritual methods which they thus can influence people through. People are only close-minded, in this sense of limited abilities and such, because they have been forced into a complete deception of themselves, indoctrinated into lies and false believes, programmed and trained towards that very end.

When it comes to your short point saying that people can protect their minds against intrusion - YES, they can! And that IS the whole purpose of writing this thread, so people can get aware of what intrusions there are to protect against. You need to know about the attacker and the way it will charge, if you are going to protect against it. So by becoming aware of all these eternal influences, how they work, whom controls them, etc, it gives a much better chance to proteact against such, get more aware of times where such influences are upon you or around you in its various forms, and generally have a better understanding of how such works.

And no, I'm not making any classical mistakes here at all, and certainly not about how leaders impose ideas and believes upon the population. Every leader will ALWAYS, obviously, impose ideas and believes upon his public so there will be some benefit to get from that public. A religious leader will make you believe in what his religion teaches so that you will start following it and serve that leader, a President will always make people think they understand the reasons for what he does or want to do so he can get the approval and acceptance of those people, using sneaky tricks and methods to deceive the people and create false beliefs and ideas in them. The Media, the masters of deceit and mind control are filling people with preproduced versions of "reality" on a daily basis and with amazing success, the majority of people swallows down anything they are told on the news to be facts without any questioning. But again, the Media is one of the more important tools on a physical and psychological level to give people a specific opinion about things, a programmed thought pattern, way of seeing things, how they perceive reality around them, and to get them following the agendas of the general leaders so things go according to their plan which includes covering up the truth about such plans and events by staging other false events to be displayed as the truth. And so on it goes with all the leaders and those in power positions of society, designing and producing the minds of the public to reflect what they want the public to think or feel about anything. And that's just some easy to verify and observe facts, based upon only one of these methods of influence which would be the psychological way, persuasion, thought control, hypnotic suggestions, subliminal messages, and so on. In addition several of these same groups just mentioned also uses a combination of the other types of influences I have mentioned, from technology based to spiritually based ones.

So yes, people DO choose and accept ideas and believes, that is completely correct, but the amount of such choices they get to pick from has already been carefully selected and created so that they will be what is in the favor of the ones offering them. Not for the peoples benefit, even though one of the best methods to get people to do something is by creating the illusion for them that it will be the best thing for them. And yes they accept the leaders that they FEEL are compatible with their need, which they already have been indoctrinated and programmed to FEEL - yet that is all part of the whole agenda, give people the illusion of free will, get them to do exactly what you want to, while letting them stay in the belief which is based on lies and manipulation. And thats how it works.

The same goes for your war example , yes obviously the leaders want the support to carry out such, so regardless of what is the truth behind this war and reasons for it, those same leaders will serve the public a staged version of it that people will more easily agree to, while at the same time often having indoctrinating them beforehand for a specific position, feeling and thoughts about such a war.

The fact of the matter remains that these examples are ALL direct influence, mind control and belief change upon the public, so the Leaders will get what they want instead of letting they decide and understand things with their free mind, from a proper perspective and a honest overview.

Your next statement is just a large self-contradiction and shooting your own foot, when you state "what you think, believe, and do, is entirely down to you. No one else can make you think, or do, anything you chose not to" - since you pretty much confirmed with your own statements above that what they Think, Believe and Do is NOT down to themselves! It is PUT upon them by those leaders, through very general and well-known psychological methods and tricks which most people actually are aware of happening on large scale within these institutions of the mentioned leaders and religious figures. What they do is give you the illusion of what you are experiencing : the belief of you being in charge yourself and making your own choices - the exact state of mind they've programmed and indoctrinated you into having.

When it comes to your claims that there should be some kind of invalidation of what I am speaking of because of "our understanding of human neureolgy, thoughts and laws of physics" I must say that this is one very weak argument, or "evidence", to prove me wrong. First of all, these common mind control and indoctrination and programming examples I have given are ALL well-known and common facts of how it can be performed and even the slightest understanding of psychology would make that clear. Secondly, you are referring to "our understanding" of those matters, did you consider that not enough is understood yet? That the understanding is not correct? And perhaps that you have been informed about such "understanding" to actually keep you limited within it, just at the place they want you to be? This is the case here, and trust me there is a LOT more understanding on these matters than what is told to the public, it is actually such an enormous level of understanding that makes it possible for these groups and people to stay in control, maintain power, and keep you in an ignorant bubble of deceit that you view as your reality. Thought, there are actually lots of scientists specifically involved with and researching all the things discussed here, the mind control methods, psychic abilities, forms of influences and so on, conducting large amounts of experiments, and having done so for long times with good results. Of course such scientists and their work are mostly kept out from public display, not mentioned in the mainstream media and news, and generally unheard of for most because such scientists are not favorable towards the Leaders and the way they run things and want the deceit to continue.

I have practiced, been involved with, seen and experienced all these things both alone and with others, groups, various societies and orders I am member of, and the whole practice is in fact extremely wide-spread throughout the population, and a larger amount of the extremely experienced practicioners are actually very intelligent, well-educated and wise people, it is frequently practiced by various profiled people, world leaders, governments, and so on. The fact of the whole thing is that it and other so called psychic abilities are so useful and powerful that many people dont want you to know about it, specially when it comes to governments, world leaders etc, so instead they will feed lies and disinformation out to the general public and make it circulate there, often through those gullible skeptics that are being abused to spread such disinformation, and then they keep the truth to themselves guarding it really good to make sure only they few will be the ones knowing about it and practicing it. And thats rather sneaky and smart of them as people will disbelieve in their own self and abilities and help the ones that uses these practices to abuse people, maintain power and control etc to actually do that towards themselves since they're already stripped down into ignorance and very limited understanding about themselves and how anything actually works.

The real fact of the matter is that the whole world is run and led through occult and spiritual methods and practices at the top level of world leaders and those in power. This is not exactly a hidden secret either, anyone who have studied just the slightest parts of history will easily have noticed how much occultism there is, it is in plain sight everywhere through all levels of society. And the higher up you get on such social levels the more people involved in these very things you will find. The reason for that is simply because it works, and is a great tool to keep power and control and the ability to gain great insights and understanding about virtually anything. Almost anyone these days are familiar with how much the higher ranking members of society, such as world leaders and people in power positions, are part of all kinds of different secret orders and societies. Almost ALL of those orders and societies are based upon occult, esoteric and spiritual teachings and practices, and through the same orders those teachings are kept secret and away from others so they can be the ones practicing it and knowing about it. I know that as a complete fact since I am a member of several such orders and societies myself, and personally know many profiled people that have higher ranks in society. There's good guys, there's bad guys, all using these techniques both for their own personal exploration as well as against each other, both to abuse or help people, and the reason both the "good" as well as the "bad" guys there keeps this knowledge to themselves and a secret is simply because of the great abuse potential such knowledge and understanding comes with, as well as how independent and free it can make you, give you the very insights and understanding the ones using it against you want to keep for themselves to keep you in the position of a clueless, ignorant obedient slave and worker of society.

Now you can either sit there on your chair and keep denying what you have absolutely no experience or understanding of, or you can go out and try to obtain some personal and first hand insights and knowledge on such topics from your own experience, just meet other people that DO practice these things, become a member of groups involved with the occult, esoteric, spiritual etc, join some of the secret orders and societies so you can see from the INSIDE you yourself what is really going on. It's not really difficult, everything is provided for you out there in so many ways, it's called real research, experience and involvement - it is a very interesting world out there away from your armchair and computer to take part of and discover.

It is your own responsibility to make action and try to find out if such is true or not, you have been given very useful examples on where to find the answers to this, the only way to really know an answer to something is from your own personal direct experience and involvement with it. You can either go and start your research or you can sit here and do nothing and keep to your narrowed down belief & understanding. But it is little point sitting arguing about something you have absolutely no personal experience or understanding of.

Good luck!

[darkbreed]

It's all really interesting, but you know it's just kind of you telling us and us to take your word for it kind of deal. I'm not saying that the world we live in doesn't look like a bunch of no-thinking zombies running around, but I'm not convinced they just don't come to that naturally without the mind control, but it's all really interesting still. I watched a documentary about that 9/11 mega ritual once, something about twin pillars and that Joachim and Boaz, that's all I really remember, and a bunch of stuff about the dates and astrology.

No, I am not telling anyone to take my word for anything, that would just be ignorant, gullible and plain out stupid for anyone to do. Look at my reply to "Mr Walker" above, on how you yourself can go and do some actual research to verify if what I'm saying is true or not. That's your own responsibility, not mine.

And yes regarding 911, that was one of the staged occult rituals by the Leaders, where such psychic powers are used to direct the received energies, in this case human sacrifice of thousands of people, towards a specific aim. I have given detailed information on what the 911 event was about, how long it was planned, who was behind it, for what reasons, more parts relating to it performed step by step at different times in history, and what the final aim is which is coming now soon:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26986-Comet-Elenin-Connections-with-911-strange-coincidences-and-the-mayan-calendar

[darkbreed]

My mistake, I didnt know you were referring to the technological part, I thought it was directed at the more spiritual and occult parts

But yes, obviously there are people making these devices, whom in turn knows exactly what they do and how they work, but these are part of the groups its made for and they will keep this secret about this technology just as the others will keep the other parts they are involved with secret. You also have to understand that major big corporations that are part of these secret orders and societies and groups are the ones responsible for building and marketing and getting such devices out to people. The TV for example was directly created and made popular for its use as a mind control device, for indoctrination, to create specific feelings, ideas, beliefs and meanings about topics, and to make you perceive reality in the way the people in control want you to perceive it. A TV is primarily a Hypnotic device that puts you into an altered state of min, a trance, where you are more open for hypnotic suggestions and commans, programming and control. I am sure large amounts of people involved with electronics, sounds, radiowaves etc have discovered these things and know about it, but to come out, where should they come out? The Media only allows what is suitable for the agenda and will not mention things that goes directly against them and their own purpose for existing. However there are likely many people whom have already spoken about this in different circumstances, such as in smaller lectures, in obscure radio stations, on their own blogs and webpages, in forums like these, and so on. If you simply try search you will likely find lots of information about this specific technology out there, try google "TV hypnosis" etc. As I mentioned earlier, there are many companies that openly use such technology in their products, such as vendors of software to help you meditate and experience altered states of minds etc

The Proof you ask about, it is already there all around you virtually everywhere you go. Just pay attention and now what to look for. Or directly get involved with some of the groups that are the ones participating in these things so you can get first hand experience directly from the source and see it in process and how it really is.

You ask me to tell you where I have seen it in practice, I dont know exactly which of all the things I've spoken about you want to give me an example of. But a lot of this has been seen inside secret orders and societies where I'm a member and such things are taught, shown, practiced and studied. Other things I have seen in different situations, such as my involvement as a hypnotherapist, at governmental locations, personal spiritual explorations, magickal practices, family members involved with certain of these matters, etc

When it comes to any people that have gone public about these things, there are several I am sure, however I do not study what other people are telling about things I already know. And there's few of the real insiders of these higher secret orders and societies that will ever risk stepping forward to the public since that would turn out bad for that person. I myself have stepped out to tell the public, and had my share of problems through the years for doing so - it is not something these groups likes that I'm putting out, and I had to move country because of too much harassment and attempts at stopping me there. A friend of mine, whom similarly went public and out from very high positions in several secret orders and societies also had the same type of problem, and had to move out of country as well.

Another close friend of mine, whom worked on highly classified projects for the Governments through NSA, also got a lot of problems when sharing such information with various people. He has now been missing for several years.

For your last questions about invading thoughts etc, this is a very clear symptom on negative External Influence and though-injection as I have explained in my main article in this thread. That's a common method used by different entites to try get some control over you and make you do things they want you do. The lock on your brain is also part of the programs used to shutting down the major parts of your mind and abilities, your sense of understanding things in its right way, to keep you easily controlled and manipulated etc. All humans have some degree of such limitations put upon them through many different methods and sources, like the ones I have listed on External Influences. You do have a purpose, and you are being sabotaged, because they dont want you to realize the purpose and your true self since that would make them lose control over you.

The reason they who are in power have been able to pull this off for so long is simply because they are the power and control running this world. Many people have discovered these things individually, written and spoken about them, in books and documentaries, for long long times. You just have to look for such in the right place, the mainstream media is used by the ones in power to keep you deceived and ignorant so that is not a place you'll see anything revealing. People have been indoctrinated, dumbed down, led astray from their true being, programmed, lied to, mislead, confused, mind controlled, been subjected to all the different external influences, and so on, which makes sure the majority of people will stay in a numb state of being where they follow what they are told and do not try to look into any of these things since they are also mostly programmed to not believe in any of it. Unlike those people in control, you also have a very limited and short life, where its few things you really will be able to get time to properly get into and understand before death, thus you are being kept from developing and instead just reincarnate back here time after time having your full memories deleted so you can't continue where you left. This is also by design of these ones in control.

yes i am aware of those. I know that what you speak of is possible (specifically the bit on frequencies)but i have many questions.

do you know of any fairly well known people (who you can name) who have come out with this information or provided proof? do you have any links so i can learn more about it? I always thought we were being manipulated to a degree. I don't know if this is related but in the past i have had thoughts that i couldn't believe came from me (if that makes sense)you know really messed up thoughts some were about doing very horrible things to my loved ones, things i would never in a million years do and they made me cry to think they came from me. another thing i have noticed is that i feel like i have a lock on my brain, like i'm not able to use it fully and i was able to before. Another strange thing is i have always thought that i had some purpose for being on this planet i always felt like i was gonna do something huge with my life to the benefit of many others (i still feel this way)i feel like i have been sabotaged almost my whole life almost like there was something i couldn't see that was manipulating me and causing me to go down the wrong track and experience very bad things.

i guess it could all be in my head, maybe i'm sabotaging myself with my own negative thoughts,i don't know, i was just wondering what you thought about this.

by the way i am not religious but i believe there could possibly be a god, seems very unlikely to me given the circumstances here on earth, and that there is no proof of his/her/it's existence, but i still think it could be possible. I'm not your normal skeptic i'm quite open minded and i think anything is possible for the most part, but what you are saying here seems impossible to me, how can they pull something like this off for so long without being thoroughly exposed?

thanks for your time.

[Mr Walker]

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Mr Walker: It's fine that you are skeptical, after all since these are things you do not have any experience with you would be gullible to just swallow it down whole. So I can understand your disbelief and arguments, since those arguments fits with what you know and have been taught, indoctrinated into really.

I am not skeptical about psychic abilities i know these intimately I am skeptical about world govts, mind control etc. As a long time student of human history sociology psychology and politics and an avid reader, I simply find no evidence of such a things except in fiction books. Now anything is possible but I am NOT a conspiracy theorist and i tend to the concept of occams razor What seems real/truth IS real/ truth So it wil take a lot of evidence to convince me of this Plus i grew up pre internet The net has a lot to answer for including the growth of this form of sociologicla phenomenum.

The fact of the matter however is that what I speak about is completely real, and highly used/abused where it can, and the other influences mentioned that works directly on their own and cant be handled for any directed use are there, affecting everyone, such as the planetary influences I spoke of - that's how astrology works by understanding that specific area of influence, and every of these different forms of influences I mentioned are always around us and upon us in different forms and strengths.

Your posts were a mix of logic and complete fantasy Tha tboth makes them more believable but alos discredits them.

Astrology for example is impossible today if it ever was possible. The planets/stars as we know them today no longer resemble the alignments they had when astrology was founded.

Simple because you personally have not observed this, or become aware of their influence upon you, does not make the fact of such influences disappear. You are only using your own experience which is limited outside these areas to create your basis of reality and how things work. Of coures you have all rights to do so, and shouldn't put something you dont know about or have not observed, experienced or verified in some way, to be included as any form of "truth". Perhaps it can be wise to take such things you are not familiar with into consideration though, as a possibility that you perhaps simply have not come to know yet. And then let time see if it will show you, with you personally properly examining and researching this in practical ways.

This is philosophically true, but in reality it doesn't concern me. I am both protected from, and beyond the ability of others to harm.

Your argument about people not being effective transmitters or receptors enough for having such influences upon them is, at best, your personal idea and belief about that. And nothing more. I feel very certain you have not verified or backed up such claims in any practical way and research.

LOl I have read most of wh t was available to be read since the 1950s. But i also read modern science and medicine. I know, for example that human thoughts can be transmitted and detected and used to operate machinery over long and short distances i know tha this technology theoreitaclly allows for real mind reading and mind ot mind communication, But at the moment one needs to have electrodes subcutaneously attached. In future it will be possible to do this wearing a head set . but for almost all humans it is not a naturally accesible ability. There are many reasons for that.

In addition, people do not NEED to be very effective transmitters or receptors themselves among eachother - which is true that is the most common case, and fairly few are good at any psychic work. But this itself is actually one of the EFFECTS of the influences put upon you, to keep you AWAY from such abilities and understanding, so that these people with the control can be the masters of those abilities, to use them easily upon you, without you ever knowing about it.

O tha tis too beautiful to be true. We cant see the invisible men because they make themselves invisible to most of us.

Ibve read dozens of books like this but you are the firs tperosn who apprently believes it as a raliy.

I dont want to disrespect you but i assume that, at least personally, you have evidences for all this?

When we speak of th ecommon peopple of the public here they cannot be compared to the people in control who are pracising these things erstanding and developed spiritual side of themselves. They have extremely long experience and practice going hundreds of years back in time, through generation after generation, where it has always been openly practiced and known within their closed groups. And those people DO have what the general public lack, which is the effective mind and power to use it and various spiritual methods which they thus can influence people through. People are only close-minded, in this sense of limited abilities and such, because they have been forced into a complete deception of themselves, indoctrinated into lies and false believes, programmed and trained towards that very end.

When it comes to your short point saying that people can protect their minds against intrusion - YES, they can! And that IS the whole purpose of writing this thread, so people can get aware of what intrusions there are to protect against. You need to know about the attacker and the way it will charge, if you are going to protect against it. So by becoming aware of all these eternal influences, how they work, whom controls them, etc, it gives a much better chance to proteact against such, get more aware of times where such influences are upon you or around you in its various forms, and generally have a better understanding of how such works.

And no, I'm not making any classical mistakes here at all, and certainly not about how leaders impose ideas and believes upon the population. Every leader will ALWAYS, obviously, impose ideas and believes upon his public so there will be some benefit to get from that public. A religious leader will make you believe in what his religion teaches so that you will start following it and serve that leader, a President will always make people think they understand the reasons for what he does or want to do so he can get the approval and acceptance of those people, using sneaky tricks and methods to deceive the people and create false beliefs and ideas in them. The Media, the masters of deceit and mind control are filling people with preproduced versions of "reality" on a daily basis and with amazing success, the majority of people swallows down anything they are told on the news to be facts without any questioning. But again, the Media is one of the more important tools on a physical and psychological level to give people a specific opinion about things, a programmed thought pattern, way of seeing things, how they perceive reality around them, and to get them following the agendas of the general leaders so things go according to their plan which includes covering up the truth about such plans and events by staging other false events to be displayed as the truth. And so on it goes with all the leaders and those in power positions of society, designing and producing the minds of the public to reflect what they want the public to think or feel about anything. And that's just some easy to verify and observe facts, based upon only one of these methods of influence which would be the psychological way, persuasion, thought control, hypnotic suggestions, subliminal messages, and so on. In addition several of these same groups just mentioned also uses a combination of the other types of influences I have mentioned, from technology based to spiritually based ones.

So yes, people DO choose and accept ideas and believes, that is completely correct, but the amount of such choices they get to pick from has already been carefully selected and created so that they will be what is in the favor of the ones offering them. Not for the peoples benefit, even though one of the best methods to get people to do something is by creating the illusion for them that it will be the best thing for them. And yes they accept the leaders that they FEEL are compatible with their need, which they already have been indoctrinated and programmed to FEEL - yet that is all part of the whole agenda, give people the illusion of free will, get them to do exactly what you want to, while letting them stay in the belief which is based on lies and manipulation. And thats how it works.

The same goes for your war example , yes obviously the leaders want the support to carry out such, so regardless of what is the truth behind this war and reasons for it, those same leaders will serve the public a staged version of it that people will more easily agree to, while at the same time often having indoctrinating them beforehand for a specific position, feeling and thoughts about such a war.

The fact of the matter remains that these examples are ALL direct influence, mind control and belief change upon the public, so the Leaders will get what they want instead of letting they decide and understand things with their free mind, from a proper perspective and a honest overview.

Your next statement is just a large self-contradiction and shooting your own foot, when you state "what you think, believe, and do, is entirely down to you. No one else can make you think, or do, anything you chose not to" - since you pretty much confirmed with your own statements above that what they Think, Believe and Do is NOT down to themselves! It is PUT upon them by those leaders, through very general and well-known psychological methods and tricks which most people actually are aware of happening on large scale within these institutions of the mentioned leaders and religious figures. What they do is give you the illusion of what you are experiencing : the belief of you being in charge yourself and making your own choices - the exact state of mind they've programmed and indoctrinated you into having.

When it comes to your claims that there should be some kind of invalidation of what I am speaking of because of "our understanding of human neureolgy, thoughts and laws of physics" I must say that this is one very weak argument, or "evidence", to prove me wrong. First of all, these common mind control and indoctrination and programming examples I have given are ALL well-known and common facts of how it can be performed and even the slightest understanding of psychology would make that clear. Secondly, you are referring to "our understanding" of those matters, did you consider that not enough is understood yet? That the understanding is not correct? And perhaps that you have been informed about such "understanding" to actually keep you limited within it, just at the place they want you to be? This is the case here, and trust me there is a LOT more understanding on these matters than what is told to the public, it is actually such an enormous level of understanding that makes it possible for these groups and people to stay in control, maintain power, and keep you in an ignorant bubble of deceit that you view as your reality. Thought, there are actually lots of scientists specifically involved with and researching all the things discussed here, the mind control methods, psychic abilities, forms of influences and so on, conducting large amounts of experiments, and having done so for long times with good results. Of course such scientists and their work are mostly kept out from public display, not mentioned in the mainstream media and news, and generally unheard of for most because such scientists are not favorable towards the Leaders and the way they run things and want the deceit to continue.

I have practiced, been involved with, seen and experienced all these things both alone and with others, groups, various societies and orders I am member of, and the whole practice is in fact extremely wide-spread throughout the population, and a larger amount of the extremely experienced practicioners are actually very intelligent, well-educated and wise people, it is frequently practiced by various profiled people, world leaders, governments, and so on. The fact of the whole thing is that it and other so called psychic abilities are so useful and powerful that many people dont want you to know about it, specially when it comes to governments, world leaders etc, so instead they will feed lies and disinformation out to the general public and make it circulate there, often through those gullible skeptics that are being abused to spread such disinformation, and then they keep the truth to themselves guarding it really good to make sure only they few will be the ones knowing about it and practicing it. And thats rather sneaky and smart of them as people will disbelieve in their own self and abilities and help the ones that uses these practices to abuse people, maintain power and control etc to actually do that towards themselves since they're already stripped down into ignorance and very limited understanding about themselves and how anything actually works.

The real fact of the matter is that the whole world is run and led through occult and spiritual methods and practices at the top level of world leaders and those in power. This is not exactly a hidden secret either, anyone who have studied just the slightest parts of history will easily have noticed how much occultism there is, it is in plain sight everywhere through all levels of society. And the higher up you get on such social levels the more people involved in these very things you will find. The reason for that is simply because it works, and is a great tool to keep power and control and the ability to gain great insights and understanding about virtually anything. Almost anyone these days are familiar with how much the higher ranking members of society, such as world leaders and people in power positions, are part of all kinds of different secret orders and societies. Almost ALL of those orders and societies are based upon occult, esoteric and spiritual teachings and practices, and through the same orders those teachings are kept secret and away from others so they can be the ones practicing it and knowing about it. I know that as a complete fact since I am a member of several such orders and societies myself, and personally know many profiled people that have higher ranks in society. There's good guys, there's bad guys, all using these techniques both for their own personal exploration as well as against each other, both to abuse or help people, and the reason both the "good" as well as the "bad" guys there keeps this knowledge to themselves and a secret is simply because of the great abuse potential such knowledge and understanding comes with, as well as how independent and free it can make you, give you the very insights and understanding the ones using it against you want to keep for themselves to keep you in the position of a clueless, ignorant obedient slave and worker of society.

Now you can either sit there on your chair and keep denying what you have absolutely no experience or understanding of, or you can go out and try to obtain some personal and first hand insights and knowledge on such topics from your own experience, just meet other people that DO practice these things, become a member of groups involved with the occult, esoteric, spiritual etc, join some of the secret orders and societies so you can see from the INSIDE you yourself what is really going on. It's not really difficult, everything is provided for you out there in so many ways, it's called real research, experience and involvement - it is a very interesting world out there away from your armchair and computer to take part of and discover.

It is your own responsibility to make action and try to find out if such is true or not, you have been given very useful examples on where to find the answers to this, the only way to really know an answer to something is from your own personal direct experience and involvement with it. You can either go and start your research or you can sit here and do nothing and keep to your narrowed down belief & understanding. But it is little point sitting arguing about something you have absolutely no personal experience or understanding of.

Good luck!

Have to go and get tea ready but hope to be able to respond furhter later on.

[darkbreed]

I am not skeptical about psychic abilities i know these intimately I am skeptical about world govts, mind control etc. As a long time student of human history sociology psychology and politics and an avid reader, I simply find no evidence of such a things except in fiction books. Now anything is possible but I am NOT a conspiracy theorist and i tend to the concept of occams razor What seems real/truth IS real/ truth So it wil take a lot of evidence to convince me of this Plus i grew up pre internet The net has a lot to answer for including the growth of this form of sociologicla phenomenum.

With your statement I can only wonder what your "studies" in these fields actually consisted of, certainly can't have been much in the depth but maybe just briefly browsing through some random pages in books? If not you truly must be an awful observer, if you have studied this in great depths and width, as those things are completely verified facts that anyone can find out and it is not very difficult either. World governments are working together, they have participated in mind control projects, spiritual and occult activities, all of it very much so documented and even confirmed by themselves. Some very direct and clear examples are, for Mind Control: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA - For their involvemet with psychic and occult work: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_stargate - For World Government facts and occult rituals performed by the leaders: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberger and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_grove ( related video including brief video of mentioned ritual:

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Of course it is also a rather publicly known fact that the majority of the most important world leaders are all members in the same secret orders and societies, which shouldn't make it difficult to understand that they are working together and that this is what World Governments are mainly directed and performed through, things are planned and arranged for how things shall be done in the world and with population etc, they participate in occult and esoteric rituals and practices, in turn meaning they are all within the same religious belief system. It is also clear from those facts that through these mentioned events they also plan and select various people whom will become leaders of society, so there is no real democracy or freedom to select such by the people since the ones ending up in the position will be people that are members of this group and pre-planned.

That's just a very few quick examples with enough facts and evidence to it verifying it. Thus I can only feel you have not been particularly active or involved in your "studies" that you claim on these areas, there are much more completely undeniable facts about most of these things I speak of as well, out there in public and often verified directly by the ones involved themselves.

Large amounts of peoples from all areas of society, governments, secret orders and so on have also gone public and speaks on record about how they have been involved with these matters, what they took part of, how it works, several even now themselves directly teaching others what they used to practice themselves while part of such groups.

You must also have been a lousy observer in your studies of psychology since you never noticed the facts about psychological mind control and thought-shaping taking place all over society by the same people in high positions and world leaders, including politicians thus your studies in politics must have been equally weak. These are facts that are easy to observe and confirm directly in person by anyone bothering to look into it, and those who actually do got some legitimate experience and practice with studies into these fields would see such immediately and be completely aware of these things going on.

There are so many verified facts and clear evidence on all of this in historical records and other material on these subject too, I can only highly recommend you to study some more without skipping the pages through that quickly. Heck, even contact people whom have been involved in any of these areas and get it straight from the horses mouth.

Your posts were a mix of logic and complete fantasy Tha tboth makes them more believable but alos discredits them.

Astrology for example is impossible today if it ever was possible. The planets/stars as we know them today no longer resemble the alignments they had when astrology was founded.

This too is your opinion and belief, most likely not based on any actual experience in the field, and shows your lack of understanding again. Shortly said, there is something called calculations, adjustments, adaptation etc which is common knowledge and very usable ways to make sure you get your work correctly done. Again I must ask you to do some direct research so you can get a proper understanding on the matter, seek up some professional astrologists, and then I dont mean any of those phone-astrologists but the real professional deal that have a solid background in the field with recognized work and contribution in the field. Then you can learn properly about that topic, and see that astrology is indeed extremely correct and actual.

This is philosophically true, but in reality it doesn't concern me. I am both protected from, and beyond the ability of others to harm.

Yes maybe you are, and if you do believe you are that alone is a very useful protection and basically the main way to go about it since Mind is the power construct used for such protection against what I spoke of regarding influences.

LOl I have read most of wh t was available to be read since the 1950s. But i also read modern science and medicine. I know, for example that human thoughts can be transmitted and detected and used to operate machinery over long and short distances i know tha this technology theoreitaclly allows for real mind reading and mind ot mind communication, But at the moment one needs to have electrodes subcutaneously attached. In future it will be possible to do this wearing a head set . but for almost all humans it is not a naturally accesible ability. There are many reasons for that.

Actually such abilities are part of everyone, though it is true that the majority of people do not handle such very well, which in turn relates to what I've said about the people in power making sure to corrode the mind and block such abilities in people, and keep the knowledge on how to access it properly for themselves. There are however many people that are perfectly able to perform most types of such abilities and as mentioned further up governments are verified with facts that they are involved with these things, the same goes for the rest of the Leaders and people part of the various occult and secret orders / societies.

O tha tis too beautiful to be true. We cant see the invisible men because they make themselves invisible to most of us.

Ibve read dozens of books like this but you are the firs tperosn who apprently believes it as a raliy.

I dont want to disrespect you but i assume that, at least personally, you have evidences for all this?

I dont believe this, I know it as a complete fact, as earlier mentioned I am member of several orders and societies where these very things are openly practiced, and I have my own experience with it for most of my life since I was born into a family involved with such orders, societies and governments. When I make claims about something, I do not pull it out of my ass or something I have read, I'm only interested in verified facts that I have personally experienced, been involved with and observed. Anything not experienced by anyone can never be properly called fact or evidence, only first hand direct involvement can give you that.

Which is why I recommended you to get out and do some proper research by getting your nose out of your books and actually search out for the real evidence by your own first-hand involvement and experience within the fields related to all this. After all that is what science and real research to look for answers is about, and how to properly find any true evidence.

[digitalartist]

External Influences: An introduction

by Edward «Maggador» Alexander

Those in control are using different forms of External Influences against the population. They mainly use spiritual means such as telepathy, and implements thoughts of their own into your mind that you end up believing is your own thoughts, and so on. They can also direct your "spiritual experiences" by creating false "spiritual realms" for you to experience with deceitful "guides" - a vast majority of ALL the channeled information so popular in the New Age scene these days are result of this method, and these entities being channeled are usually deceitful and serves the purpose of blinding people and luring them into new belief systems that somewhat feeds their spiritual hunger. This spiritual hunger is the natural part of a humans psyche and mind since he himself is indeed a very spiritual being, and this is a subconscious knowledge and an intuition that people can feel, thus Religions are so popular as they too satisfies the Spiritual Hunger to some degree.

1. spiritual anything has no effect on those who don't believe in the first place so is kind of useless

2. If they actually had mind control do you rally think they would be allowing you to reveal any real information?

So what we have is the one person in all the world who knows the secrets of the one world, shadow, controlling everything government and who is allowed to post them freely and this insidious organization never tries to stop them. What's more amazing is the sheer number of people who are the only person in the world who knows this.

[darkbreed]

1. spiritual anything has no effect on those who don't believe in the first place so is kind of useless

2. If they actually had mind control do you rally think they would be allowing you to reveal any real information?

So what we have is the one person in all the world who knows the secrets of the one world, shadow, controlling everything government and who is allowed to post them freely and this insidious organization never tries to stop them. What's more amazing is the sheer number of people who are the only person in the world who knows this.

1. Effects dont go through a filter based on a persons believe in them. You can disbelieve gravity as much you want, but you will still be affected and influenced by it. The same goes for the spiritual influences and how they affect people.

2. They work extensively on shielding and protecting eachother from such influences and make them immun to it. I have done the same for myself, and I know their practices since I've been involved in these secret orders and societies all my life.

And no, I am not one person in the whole world knowing this. The idea itself is absurd, since obviously everyone else involved with it in any part of society or secret orders / societies also know about this. In addition there is a large amount of people that knows about this, have told about these things, and you'll find lots of information on these topics online even though very few have revealed details in the same depth as I do. We are many people working together on getting this information out as well, I have other friends from same secret orders doing their part in public to spread knowledge, as well as friends that are politicians, Reporters, Scientists, etc also doing their work on spreading awareness to the public.

These groups we are exposing do NOT allow us to "post free" anything we want. I've had large amounts of problems happen in my life after I started sharing this knowledge with the public, and they have tried to shut me down in numerous ways. I even had to move from my own country, Norway, to avoid the harassment and problems they caused upon me and their methods for trying to stop me. The very same thing happened to my good friend, also member of same orders, also sharing this insider information, he too lives outside of Noway now exiling in a different country, and as am I. Other people have also gotten their share of problems for exposing various things relating to this, some have even been killed, some disappeared as with a friend of mine from NSA who started to share information, others have gotten physical and sudden serious problems, some have been directly threatened and so on. Doing this kind of work that I, and some of the friends of mine as well as other people are doing, is not a jolly dance on roses, it is in fact very difficult, problematic and have caused me and others great sacrifices for doing what we do. That won't stop us though, people deserve to know what is going on.

[Mr Walker]

Never mind dark breed. I find i just dont have the interest or enthusiasm to follow this thread through. I have a degree and post graduate diploma in the sunjects i mentioned and have been teaching most of them for 40 years. I read widely and keep my eyes open, but it is true that i am proteced by both my physical location my own abilities and a number of strategies put in place as a young man. I dont truly believe most of what you put forward as a conspiracy although certain natural social pressures have placed us in a world with more control and less freedoms . The actual history of the world works against this form of control and conspiracy, and one has to suspend a lot of disbelief to take it on board.

Without a lot more evidence iamnot prepared to suspend disbelief A few cia and darpa programmes at great cost and with little success indicate problems with this concept in reality. The soviets were more interested and succesful but even they gave it up eventually.

I do not mean, or intend, to insult you your beliefs or to denigrate your own knowedge. But it is not a high priority for me. It reminds me a lot of "conspiracy" with mel gibson That is not a negative comment, as "paranormal' with John travolta, is a strong parallel to my own life.

I have read many fiction books on the topic and a number that claim to be factual, but they dont stand up to honest scrutiny ( If you do not believe/accept an overarching conspiracy which also twists or hides the true history of humanity.)

I notice your sources are all internet based. As i said, I never encoutered this ides outside of fiction books in the many decades i lived before the internet was invented. That tells me something, in itself.

[darkbreed]

Well it is good that you are protected. And as long as you feel that, and know and believe that, you will be. Even against what I mention here, regardless if you believe in such or not, as you will still on a subconscious level (and i can only think conscious level too) not want any such things upon you and thus create a protection against these things as well.

Regarding the "actual history of the world", perhaps you might consider that it is not as "actual" as you think? Perhaps your sources of historical information are not completely correct, or including every aspect?

When it comes to the programs that have been active, within governmental institutions and organizations such as the ones you mention, they were not with little success but had lots of success and astonishing accuracy in many cases. Also, it is a historical known fact that governments have been involved with such programs all around the world, for long time, and still are. And you should also consider that it might be possible that they do NOT give out the full details about their practice and involvement, any success rate, or what they are doing even right now in these fields? Governments are not exactly well-known for being open and freely sharing with the public everything they are doing and what they find out and discover, rather the opposite, take examples as all classified material on various "top secret" programs and events.

And back to history, contrary to your belief, history actually show very clearly that governments and the world leaders have been involved with these matters ALL ALONG since the very beginnings! Most countries and governments around the world are built upon occult practices, involvement with magic and esoteric work, more often than not the founding fathers of various countries were highly involved in secret orders practicing these things, and the leaders now still are - this is not a secret, or a theory, but a well-known fact that easily can be checked out and verified.

So what I mention here, are not theories, but actual facts that are both historically recorded as well as personally verified by myself from own involvement and experience not only on my own, but also as part of some of the same mentioned secret orders as well as governmental involvement.

If you really are a certified and educated historian as you claim, I'm actually surprised that you seem completely unaware of the very history you supposedly have studied and should be fairly familiar with.

[psychoticmike]

My mistake, I didnt know you were referring to the technological part, I thought it was directed at the more spiritual and occult parts

no problem

But yes, obviously there are people making these devices, whom in turn knows exactly what they do and how they work, but these are part of the groups its made for and they will keep this secret about this technology just as the others will keep the other parts they are involved with secret. You also have to understand that major big corporations that are part of these secret orders and societies and groups are the ones responsible for building and marketing and getting such devices out to people. The TV for example was directly created and made popular for its use as a mind control device, for indoctrination, to create specific feelings, ideas, beliefs and meanings about topics, and to make you perceive reality in the way the people in control want you to perceive it. A TV is primarily a Hypnotic device that puts you into an altered state of min, a trance, where you are more open for hypnotic suggestions and commans, programming and control. I am sure large amounts of people involved with electronics, sounds, radiowaves etc have discovered these things and know about it, but to come out, where should they come out? The Media only allows what is suitable for the agenda and will not mention things that goes directly against them and their own purpose for existing. However there are likely many people whom have already spoken about this in different circumstances, such as in smaller lectures, in obscure radio stations, on their own blogs and webpages, in forums like these, and so on. If you simply try search you will likely find lots of information about this specific technology out there, try google "TV hypnosis" etc. As I mentioned earlier, there are many companies that openly use such technology in their products, such as vendors of software to help you meditate and experience altered states of minds etc

ok, yes i know what the tv is capable of but was it really built for this specific purpose? do you have any links on this? i guess I'll have to do some searching, but wouldn't this tech mostly be used to persuade people to buy products? i guess the main thing that confuses me on this, is if its all going on how you say it is, then how come i am not swayed by anything on tv? how come i still make up my own mind regardless of what the tv, government, or anything or anyone else tells me? does it have a much greater effect on others?

The Proof you ask about, it is already there all around you virtually everywhere you go. Just pay attention and now what to look for. Or directly get involved with some of the groups that are the ones participating in these things so you can get first hand experience directly from the source and see it in process and how it really is.

You ask me to tell you where I have seen it in practice, I dont know exactly which of all the things I've spoken about you want to give me an example of. But a lot of this has been seen inside secret orders and societies where I'm a member and such things are taught, shown, practiced and studied. Other things I have seen in different situations, such as my involvement as a hypnotherapist, at governmental locations, personal spiritual explorations, magickal practices, family members involved with certain of these matters, etc

ok, but can you relay a specific moment or experience which made you realize this? anything you have mentioned in this thread will do.

When it comes to any people that have gone public about these things, there are several I am sure, however I do not study what other people are telling about things I already know. And there's few of the real insiders of these higher secret orders and societies that will ever risk stepping forward to the public since that would turn out bad for that person. I myself have stepped out to tell the public, and had my share of problems through the years for doing so - it is not something these groups likes that I'm putting out, and I had to move country because of too much harassment and attempts at stopping me there. A friend of mine, whom similarly went public and out from very high positions in several secret orders and societies also had the same type of problem, and had to move out of country as well.

Another close friend of mine, whom worked on highly classified projects for the Governments through NSA, also got a lot of problems when sharing such information with various people. He has now been missing for several years.

do you know and can you share any of the information they had that got them in such trouble?

For your last questions about invading thoughts etc, this is a very clear symptom on negative External Influence and though-injection as I have explained in my main article in this thread. That's a common method used by different entites to try get some control over you and make you do things they want you do. The lock on your brain is also part of the programs used to shutting down the major parts of your mind and abilities, your sense of understanding things in its right way, to keep you easily controlled and manipulated etc. All humans have some degree of such limitations put upon them through many different methods and sources, like the ones I have listed on External Influences. You do have a purpose, and you are being sabotaged, because they dont want you to realize the purpose and your true self since that would make them lose control over you.

when you say entities do you mean supernatural beings? or humans with psychic abilities? is there any way to stop this programing? i don't really feel like i'm being controlled by the way, because when it comes down to it i am the boss of myself and i have the final say. So i would liken it more to influence rather then control. and what do you mean about my purpose? do you mean i am destined to do something or be a certain someone? is it preplanned by a higher source? and why would i be so special that entities would want to control me? after all i'm just one person out of billions.

The reason they who are in power have been able to pull this off for so long is simply because they are the power and control running this world. Many people have discovered these things individually, written and spoken about them, in books and documentaries, for long long times. You just have to look for such in the right place, the mainstream media is used by the ones in power to keep you deceived and ignorant so that is not a place you'll see anything revealing. People have been indoctrinated, dumbed down, led astray from their true being, programmed, lied to, mislead, confused, mind controlled, been subjected to all the different external influences, and so on, which makes sure the majority of people will stay in a numb state of being where they follow what they are told and do not try to look into any of these things since they are also mostly programmed to not believe in any of it. Unlike those people in control, you also have a very limited and short life, where its few things you really will be able to get time to properly get into and understand before death, thus you are being kept from developing and instead just reincarnate back here time after time having your full memories deleted so you can't continue where you left. This is also by design of these ones in control.

i know about the mainstream media and their tactics ron pauls campaign is a perfect example. I guess my main question is how is it that these people were able to amass such power? how do i have a short life but they don't? are you saying they reincarnate with all their memories of their past life? how would a god allow this to happen? do you have any documents that could help prove what your saying?

oh and i have an unrelated question i was hoping you could answer. Is it possible to tap into all knowledge? such as the askashic records? do you know how?

[psychoticmike]

so i guess your not gonna answer me?

[ether2]

oh and i have an unrelated question i was hoping you could answer. Is it possible to tap into all knowledge? such as the askashic records? do you know how?

this will help ya with ya thirst for knowledge on the right side of the page about how to obtain the highest of consciousness "ladder of consciousness/dimensions (knowledge)" we live in...

read both man could not be bothered putting it together...

oh and look on the home page same above link around half way down about the Akashic Records those numbers are above 450,000,000 now...

good luck

love all

Edited August 27, 2011 by ether2

[psychoticmike]

this will help ya with ya thirst for knowledge on the right side of the page about how to obtain the highest of consciousness "ladder of consciousness/dimensions (knowledge)" we live in...

read both man could not be bothered putting it together...

oh and look on the home page same above link around half way down about the Akashic Records those numbers are above 450,000,000 now...

good luck

love all

sorry but that was of no help, thanks for trying tho.

[ether2]

sorry but that was of no help, thanks for trying tho.

cool man, but that is the "Only" way ya get the prime minds abilities with that ya gain the prime knowledge these two areas go hand in hand prime knowledge is where the prime minds abillities are the reason being is so ya dont go and do the wrong thing with the abilities of the mind towards others like attack (mentally) those that SEEM to be doing wrong in the world that are really just contributing to the economys of economics and energy (raising) just instruments of the system like you and me, hence most all things all "reason"...

no other way man for that anyway...

good luck

love all

[dalia]

How much does the tin foil hat cost?

A roll of foil costs between 3 and 5 dollars....I plan to make my own foil hats.

I just hope they don't act as an antenna.