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The Enfield Poltergeist: what is the truth?

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So you don't believe in poltergeists/demons but you believe that she made things move, levitated, had super strength and spoke clear with a mouth full of water just by using her brain ?

OMG!! What do I have to say! She is NOT doing it like a super power or something! The energy she is displaying is coming from her brain yes, with out her control. She has NO control over it.She can't turn it off and on. Please google Poltergeist, read about it. You will see what I am talking about. It has NOTHING to do with demons or ghosts or any of that stuff. Please just go read about it?

Rocketgirl B)

So what causes poltergeist activity?

The poltergeist model is that of a situation caused by the subconscious mind of a living agent, generally someone in the household undergoing emotional and/or psychological stress. The agents are people who typically have no method of dealing with the stress on any normal level, so the subconscious takes advantage of the psychokinetic (mind over matter) ability we all have to blow off steam. In other words, you can think of the poltergeist scenario as a telekinetic temper tantrum.

Often the physical things affected in a poltergeist case can be used as clues to determine what's bothering the poltergeist agent (who can be divined, typically, by looking at who is around during all the events). The objects affected may belong to one particular individual in the household, or representative of a role of one of the family. For example, if a husband doesn't want his wife to work, instead asking her to stay home with the new baby (and effectively "in the kitchen"), kitchen appliances may act strangely when the subject is brought up in discussion. Water bursts may be representative of pent-up guilt.

Poltergeist cases have, on rare occasion, also provided visual apparitions, though these are generally distorted, archetypal or even monstrous. In other words, you don't get a basic human ghost, but some other projection of stress, guilt, anger, fear or frustration from the subconscious - a projection that is telepathically sent out to others in the household. (Note: For an ultimate expression of a "monster from the Id" rent or buy the fantastic science fiction film Forbidden Planet; it stars Leslie Nielson before he was funny).

In poltergeist cases, unlike hauntings and apparitions, we don't typically get unusual photos or effects on a magnetic field detector (magnetometer). However, because we are dealing with psychokinesis (PK), and because PK works on many levels, it would not be unlikely for the agent's PK to affect film (like the photo-psychic abilities of Ted Serios) or the magnetometers themselves.

Can poltergeist activity occur with an apparition or a haunting?

Interestingly, many of our cases can have spillover from one category to another. In some fairly rare cases, apparitions have learned to move objects, though they rarely do it with the destructive energy of poltergeist cases (guess they're not too stressed out).

In some haunting cases, the haunt itself triggers something in the witnesses, apparently activating their PK on a subconscious level, and things move. This is rare, but not too rare.

And we have had cases in which an apparition existed in a place that also had "recorded" a past, unrelated event (unrelated to the apparition). I also know of cases in which so much was subjectively experienced (apparitional and haunting phenomena) that the stress of being in the situation caused one or more people in the house to become poltergeist agents.

When we investigate (and try to help folks in their situations), we often have to tease apart not only what's normal from what's paranormal, but also what kind of phenomena we are actually dealing with.

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nyuk,

Thanks for asking, I would love to give you the info. First of all I believe that "Ghosts" are spirits with about the same abilities as we have. I think all life is made up of energy and all this energy is connected. like the electricity that runs through your home. If you turn on the kitchen light it comes on and then you go to the counter and turn on the coffee pot plus your fridge is running ect..ect.. They are all different but they all receive their power from the same source but they are different life forms. I think that there is a fine membrane that separates our world, or reality, from theirs. I also think that sometimes that membrane can become so thin and stretched from time to time that it allows us to see each other. I also think that they may feel about us what we feel about them, which in most cases is sheer panic! Maybe we freak them out as much as they freak us out. I believe that there are good spirits and bad spirits. I do NOT believe in demons or the devil or angles or jesus and god.

I bought this house with my grandma 22 years ago now. It is land with a mobile home on it and there had never been a house here before. Granny passed away in 2003 and I also lost a cousin that year. I have lost many loved ones sense I have lived here. I started noticing the spirits about 7 or 8 years ago I guess. I have seen full solid bodies and one day I saw an arm sticking out from under my bed! We see shadows all the time, I hear walking down the hall. I really hear a lot and see a lot too. I doesn't scare me. I have never felt any fear from this happenings. I really don't believe they want to hurt me any more that I want to hurt them. It is rather exciting sometimes with the goings on. It is not everyday and it happens very fast when it does.

I think the spirits here may be some of my loved ones, I think maybe they are just hanging around waiting for me or they just not ready to move on. I also think some are not anyone I know, but maybe the one spirit who has followed me pretty much my whole life, I think he is from a past life. I think that sometimes spirits just come through on their way to where ever they are off to. I think that spirits are always round us and that sometimes we see them or sense them and they us. I am not afraid, they can't hurt me, but sometimes they startle me. The arm under the bed was creepy but I wasn't afraid.

I really think all places are "haunted" we just can't see them all the time. I think that some people can see them and some can't. But I do believe there are spirits every where all the time, like two worlds living right next to each other without knowing it.

I think the first time I saw and knew there were spirits here I was startled but it was really cool!

I hope that answers your questions, if you want to know any more just ask. You should not be afraid of ghosts, I really don't believe they can harm you and you probably scare them just as much as they scare you! I also hear voices, one of them I know is my beloved Grandma.

Rocketgirl B)

Thanks for answering Rocketgirl.

I got to admit, it would freak me out if i saw stuff like that.

Ive often wondered if ghosts are living people in a parralell world.

Or perhaps a different timeline, which could account for some hauntings.

I too believe we have lived before and when we die, we are reborn.

Maybe some people can remember small parts of their earlier lives. This may account for some deja vu.

Thankyou again for answering my questions :)

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Thanks for answering Rocketgirl.

I got to admit, it would freak me out if i saw stuff like that.

Ive often wondered if ghosts are living people in a parralell world.

Or perhaps a different timeline, which could account for some hauntings.

I too believe we have lived before and when we die, we are reborn.

Maybe some people can remember small parts of their earlier lives. This may account for some deja vu.

Thankyou again for answering my questions :)

You are very welcome. I don't have all the answers, just the answers that make the most sense to me. I don't really fear these spirits as we really don't see each other very often. I do have one spirit who has been following me my whole life. He has shown himself to me a few times, solid just like he was as real as I am right now. It is weird but he doesn't frighten me, I think we are connected in some way. I remember a few past lives and how I died in them. It is a cool feeling when you realize that you are seeing or remembering a past life. You will find the answers that make the most sense to you. Have fun and laugh as much as possible!

Light, Love and understanding,

Rachel Elizabeth

AKA Rocketgirl B)

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OMG!! What do I have to say! She is NOT doing it like a super power or something! The energy she is displaying is coming from her brain yes, with out her control. She has NO control over it.She can't turn it off and on. Please google Poltergeist, read about it. You will see what I am talking about. It has NOTHING to do with demons or ghosts or any of that stuff. Please just go read about it?

I have done what you have asked, in that I went to wikipedia.com/poltergeist read it and every citing in the references list and some additional to that, amounting to the links below.

I was unable to find an intolerance to other possibilities as you have demonstrated, nor have I found that anyone has concluded what causes such activity. The work you have referred to and things you have said track with the leading theories of the studies of that topic. However, as to if the stresses cause the weird things that happen or provide a channel through which other energies or spirits attach to a person and then they cause the things to happen... those two possibilities don't seem to be set in concrete yet. It is even possible that a little of both goes on.

An interesting thought I had was that teleportation of things as ascribed to in the Enfield experience demonstrates an ability to gather dog hair and make it into a small creature as was the entity of Gef in the Gef mongoose story. Thereby, the one investigator's conclusion of it not being a poltergeist is subject to question. Note that Gef did not always remain with the young daughter, which would be required if it was all her energy being manifested.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, others may enjoy the two evenings reading list as I did! The Centrahoma Story everybody should read: The stone throwing poltergeist!

http://books.google.com/books?id=_ZH_CdJpxoUC&pg=PA98&dq=Phyllis+Mannheim&cd=2

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054842/Enfield-Poltergeist-The-amazing-story-11-year-old-North-London-girl-levitated-bed.html

http://dalbyspook.110mb.com/gef.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Kardec

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist

http://www.geister-und-gespenster.de/spuk/spukorte/Poltergeist_Rosenheim.htm

http://www.ghosts.org.uk/index2693.html

http://www.ghosts.org.uk/index2693.html

http://jill-stefko.suite101.com/thornton-heath-poltergeist-1938-a24060

http://www.mindsetcentral.com/archives/5757

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1720

http://ouriel.pagesperso-orange.fr/fr/htm/poltergeist%20de%20rosenheim.htm

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/e/epworth_poltergeist.html

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/p/poltergeist.html

http://wwrn.org/articles/14726/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7240405.stm

http://testament.org/testament/forteantimes.html

http://www.thestar.co.uk/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3495487/Family-think-theres-a-poltergeist-staying-in-their-home.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3496768/Poltergeist-wrecks-house-in-Coventry-and-kills-the-dog.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3498708/TV-ghostbuster-Derek-Acorah-sends-spook-packing.html

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Thanks Rachel :)

Wow......thats a heck of a lot of links and reading encouraged.

As i admit i am far too lazy to trawl through that lot, i have read through your post instead.

I consider your post to be a fair, impartial summary so thankyou :)

nyuk :)

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http://books.google.com/books?id=_ZH_CdJpxoUC&pg=PA98&dq=Phyllis+Mannheim&cd=2

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2054842/Enfield-Poltergeist-The-amazing-story-11-year-old-North-London-girl-levitated-bed.html

http://dalbyspook.110mb.com/gef.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Kardec

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist

http://www.geister-und-gespenster.de/spuk/spukorte/Poltergeist_Rosenheim.htm

http://www.ghosts.org.uk/index2693.html

http://www.ghosts.org.uk/index2693.html

http://jill-stefko.suite101.com/thornton-heath-poltergeist-1938-a24060

http://www.mindsetcentral.com/archives/5757

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1720

http://ouriel.pagesperso-orange.fr/fr/htm/poltergeist%20de%20rosenheim.htm

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/e/epworth_poltergeist.html

http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/p/poltergeist.html

http://wwrn.org/articles/14726/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poltergeist

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7240405.stm

http://testament.org/testament/forteantimes.html

http://www.thestar.co.uk/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3495487/Family-think-theres-a-poltergeist-staying-in-their-home.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3496768/Poltergeist-wrecks-house-in-Coventry-and-kills-the-dog.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3498708/TV-ghostbuster-Derek-Acorah-sends-spook-packing.html

Did you really read all of those? Wow, you got way more time than I do! Most of the things I have to say do not make any sense to most people. I do not believe in demons but I do believe in ghosts. I do not believe in "Poltergeist" but I do believe that ghosts can move things around. Doesn't make much sense does it? I have a couple of ghosts in my house and they make noise and they move things around. They do not terrorize me or throw things around, and I do believe that at least 2 of them are my loved ones. My husband went to bed before me last night. He was in the bedroom for a few minutes when he came out with an odd look on his face and he just sat down in front of his computer and turned it on, but he didn't even look at me. I finally asked him what was wrong he said that who ever was in the bedroom was bothering him! He said that someone was standing at the foot of the bed just looking at him and breathing heavy. Although it was creepy it was not dangerous or harmful.

So I guess I am just strange! Have fun and live laugh and love!

Rocketgirl B)

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Did you really...

Rocketgirl B)

Yep, and the one about Gef was like 8 or so really long pages. LOL It was all really interesting! And another had a very small slider it was so long. I think it was a bio of Fador or whatever the investigator's name was who did the Psychal Encyclopdeia.

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Think if anythin like that happened, id be gone, screaming like a gibbering idiot.

Of course id wake my wife up and get the hamster on my way out the house ;)

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I have a couple of ghosts in my house and they make noise and they move things around. They do not terrorize me or throw things around, and I do believe that at least 2 of them are my loved ones...

So I guess I am just strange! Have fun and live laugh and love!

Rocketgirl B)

Have you considered that the two children mentioned in your article titled "Psychic Once" might be two of the ghosts in your home. People have mentioned, in other stories about meeting loved ones in the City of Light that such and such baby or little child they saw again there, but that they were fully grown and not in the baby or child stage of life.

Just a thought.

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Have you considered that the two children mentioned in your article titled "Psychic Once" might be two of the ghosts in your home. People have mentioned, in other stories about meeting loved ones in the City of Light that such and such baby or little child they saw again there, but that they were fully grown and not in the baby or child stage of life.

Just a thought.

You know, I never thought about that. I have had a child of my own die and I am almost sure he is here, I don't think he ever left me. The little boys in the car, that still bothers me, to this day I will think of them and start crying. I sometimes wonder if they came to me because they wanted someone to know. I don't know why they would stay with me, I could not save them no matter how hard I wanted to, there was just nothing I could do. I do know that there are a few different ghosts in the house but I can't say for sure who they are. I did have a talk with them yesterday and asked them to help me pick some good lotto numbers!! I did to an Ouija Board once and my son who died came through. Not very many believe in those things but I know what I saw. My son spoke to me and the only thing he said was "I love you." I have never used the Ouija board again. I could talk about this all day but I have to go for now. Have a good weekend!

Rocketgirl B)

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So sad you lost your son rocketgirl

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Sorry to hear about your son.

I don't know anything about this kind of topic, but I am good at pointing out patterns and putting this and that together. If he passed before they did, perhaps his lingering and their need for a mother who cared about them is a reason they got through to you. I guess he would not have had to pass first, as who knows how time and the order of events take place in that realm.

Also the board my have been or may have opened a way for them to find a person who is a sensitive.

Anyway, just conjecture on my part.

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I am really disappointed that the folks from the Daily Mirror didn't set up a camera to film the activity, I've never seen any video of anything that happened in the house and you would think, if it were that prolific, that someone would have filmed it. I've got video of my Aunty Beattie in New York back in the 70's, the Daily Mirror surely had the means to do it.

Having said that, this is probably my favourite haunting, and I do believe that something was going on in that house.

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So sad you lost your son rocketgirl

Thanks Nyuk, it is a wound that never heals but after 33 years the sting is finally gone.

peace,Rachel

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Sorry to hear about your son.

I don't know anything about this kind of topic, but I am good at pointing out patterns and putting this and that together. If he passed before they did, perhaps his lingering and their need for a mother who cared about them is a reason they got through to you. I guess he would not have had to pass first, as who knows how time and the order of events take place in that realm.

Also the board my have been or may have opened a way for them to find a person who is a sensitive.

Anyway, just conjecture on my part.

Thanks for your kind words. My son passed away Aug 14 1978, not one day goes by that I don't see his face in my mind and in my heart. I have so many things that have happened in my life that I know in my heart that the spirits that I have seen or even interacted with are real. But then again it might all be in my mind.......

I do know that I have seen a full solid spirit on several occations. I would be happy if I had the answers thats for sure! What ever the score I wish there had been some way i could have helped them. As for the spirits, I don't feel like anyof them are children. I think that even my son is not a child here. I believe that the soul is sexless and that it is two parts. When in our physical bodies we possess only half our true soul, one day we meet our other part, our other half of us, and then and only then are we complete. I am sort of going off track with this but I think that is the answer to my own personal views. Thanks for your posts, very cool to keep and open mind, except I still don't believe in demons and possessed people and stuff and junk like that......... :wacko:

Rocketgilr B)

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I still don't believe in demons and possessed people and stuff and junk like that......... :wacko:

Rocketgilr B)

That depends on what you classify as a ghost or demon. In Japan, they think they are all "demons" in a sense. In South Africa, they dont believe it is a spirit but rather an omen or a witch. Same experiences, different interpretations. The ghost thing is actually very western and European way of thought.

If it makes things any better for you, when someone says they believe in demons, read it as "naughty/bad/evil/malevolent/etc ghost/spirit that can be more powerful than the average ghost/spirit".

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The more I study the case the more I am convinced it is a hoax. Considering the length of time it went on there is very poor evidence other than a few pictures that look like kids jumping off beds. You have to rely on witness testimony.

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That depends on what you classify as a ghost or demon. In Japan, they think they are all "demons" in a sense. In South Africa, they dont believe it is a spirit but rather an omen or a witch. Same experiences, different interpretations. The ghost thing is actually very western and European way of thought.

If it makes things any better for you, when someone says they believe in demons, read it as "naughty/bad/evil/malevolent/etc ghost/spirit that can be more powful than the average ghost/spirit".

I classify the ghosts/demons as "Ghosts." I don't like the word "Demon" as it may imply that there is a God. In the days before God and Jesus and the church/bible/christianity, there were evil spirits.But were they called demons? I don't believe that those evil spirits were refered to as Demons before the christian church sprang up. I just don't buy the whole demon angel thing. It just doesn't seem very smart on the devils side if he only wants people to NOT believe in God.

but Youll have to forgive my wierd posts but I am no tired right now its not even funny :sleepy:

Rocketgirl B)

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I classify the ghosts/demons as "Ghosts." I don't like the word "Demon" as it may imply that there is a God. In the days before God and Jesus and the church/bible/christianity, there were evil spirits.But were they called demons? I don't believe that those evil spirits were refered to as Demons before the christian church sprang up. I just don't buy the whole demon angel thing. It just doesn't seem very smart on the devils side if he only wants people to NOT believe in God.

but Youll have to forgive my wierd posts but I am no tired right now its not even funny :sleepy:

Rocketgirl B)

I've studied a little in this area. If anyone can correct anything I might get wrong, please do so.

In looking up demon in a number of sources, and dragging that into what I already am aware of, we get the following.

There are a number of "names" given to the kind of things that are ascribed to spirits that misbehave. Among those names is the ancient Greek one of demon. The term comes from Greek. However, the concept is somewhat universal.

Demon was assimilated by the Roman culture. I don't know if it replaced another word, or if it they had nothing like it before. In Greek demon means spirit, deity, fate. In Latin it means spirit, evil spirit. Note that in going from Greek to Latin it takes on more of an evil nature.

The historic Jesus lived in Galilee and was mentioned by reputation but not name by the historian Josephus. He lived in a small town that was near another small town to the west that was a bit rebellious. Eventually the Romans got tired of them and went in and did what they did well, annihilated the town and its people. Both towns were or were near being on "the road" well travelled to go east and west. There was a great deal of military traffic, as you can imagine.

All this to say the area was Hellenistic (a synthetic mix of Greek and Roman cultures), more so than Jerusalem and the rest of Israel. We think the people of that region spoke Aramaic as their mother tongue, and since in the path of the trade and military routes, other languages as well as Hebrew. The important thing being the word and tradition of demon would have been very Roman and very much in everyday use by that time. It replaced a Hebrew word that had a similar bad meaning, "shedu".

Even the Essene sect of the time was around to help keep the Jewish identity alive by trying to be more purely Hebrew. Yet they were using the word demon and exercising the things people thought about them:

These demons were supposed to enter the body and cause the disease while overwhelming or "seizing" the victim (hence "seizure"). To cure such diseases it was necessary to draw out the evil demons by certain incantations and talismanic performances, in which the Essenes excelled. Josephus, who speaks of demons as "spirits of the wicked which enter into men that are alive and kill them", but which can be driven out by a certain root, witnessed such a performance in the presence of the Emperor Vespasian, and ascribed its origin to King Solomon.

So, it is easy to see that a more or less universal term that came from the influences of Greek and Roman grandeur, as well as, Israelite fear, came to be used by Jesus and those who wrote about him.

It seems to me that nobody really owns the "word" now and by the current definitions it could mean a number of different things. However, I do agree that using the word might put people minds into a "churchy" orientation, which is in itself interesting when you consider it has more of a superstitious background. I guess that is further proof of how religions become mixed with all kinds of stuff from other sources.

By the way the use of the word "daimon" has the same Greek source, but without the evil connotation. I don't know if it is different enough to stop the "churchy" orientation, however.

Maybe here at UM, members have a certain definition that has developed through time and communication. I would like to know that if it is true.

I hope this is helpful. Glad we got into something I could use my schooling toward.

Demon or Daemon, Daimon; from Ancient Greek, is a supernatural being from various religions, occultisms, literatures, and folklores that is described as something that is not human and, in ordinary (almost universal) usage, malevolent. The original neutral Greek word "daimon" does not carry the negative connotation initially understood by implementation of the Koine (Hellenistic and New Testament Greek) δαιμόνιον (daimonion),[1] and later ascribed to any cognate words sharing the root, originally intended to denote a spirit or spiritual being.

(cite: www.wikipedia.com)

Further info as to the etymology and definitions:

arrow3.gifView: The history of the word

arrow3.gifView: A page of several dictionary definitions

By the way, my first writing of this comment became a blank slate because I did a back to check on an earlier comment, again, again, again...

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Thanks encouraged, i found your post most informative.

It certainly changed my traditional view of the word demon and my kneejerk reaction to it.

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And dont forget that like many words, "demon" is just a label. Different cultures have different labels for the same thing.

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Hey Encouraged!!

Thanks for the report that was pretty good! I also found that the word demon did mean something else once, demon was a common word for deity, and had duel meaning for God and Goddess. I think I don't like to use it because it HAS lost all other meanings that it may have had 3000 years ago. Today it is a christian term and in using it imply's christian beliefs. Names change meaning so much these days it is hard to know what to say. When I was a child if you were "gay" it meant you were happy. Now days it means something else entirely different. Until the word "demon" means something else again, I will opt out of using it and stick with "bad spirit" for now because that's in my comfort zone. I still don't believe they can possess your body or tear your house apart. Thanks for all the stuff I learned though, that was most cool.

Rocketgirl B)

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In my opinion poltergeists are not demons. They are not some sort of being. They are unwitting releases of psychic energy from a person. This person is known as a focus. In many cases the person may be suffering from depression, a long period of anger, or maybe just teenage angst. But instead of venting these feelings in a physical way like most people do - physically throw an object or smash a window - the person somehow vents their anger or frustration psychically, except that they do not realise they are doing it. So they throw objects, sometimes even people, around the room, smash windows and bang on walls using psychic energy which they have somehow emitted as a way of venting their negative feelings.

A huge chunk of poltergeist cases are fakes, though. In fact, some people see this as the reason why the majority of poltergeist foci are young girls. It may not be the case that young girls are somehow more capable than other people of releasing psychic energy to cause poltergeist activity, it's just that it may be the case that young girls, suffering from the teen angst that most young girls suffer from, are more likely than other people to fake poltergeist activity as a way of getting some kind of attention.

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In my opinion poltergeists are not demons. They are not some sort of being. They are unwitting releases of psychic energy from a person. This person is known as a focus. In many cases the person may be suffering from depression, a long period of anger, or maybe just teenage angst. But instead of venting these feelings in a physical way like most people do - physically throw an object or smash a window - the person somehow vents their anger or frustration psychically, except that they do not realise they are doing it. So they throw objects, sometimes even people, around the room, smash windows and bang on walls using psychic energy which they have somehow emitted as a way of venting their negative feelings.

A huge chunk of poltergeist cases are fakes, though. In fact, some people see this as the reason why the majority of poltergeist foci are young girls. It may not be the case that young girls are somehow more capable than other people of releasing psychic energy to cause poltergeist activity, it's just that it may be the case that young girls, suffering from the teen angst that most young girls suffer from, are more likely than other people to fake poltergeist activity as a way of getting some kind of attention.

Thank you for this. Do you know if there is anyone who is the leader on this field? I would love to know more and find out if anyone know how this exchange of energy takes place. If a person can do this without knowing it, then think of what it would be like if they could control it.

Rocketgirl B)

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Hey Encouraged!!

Thanks for the report that was pretty good!

Rocketgirl B)

My pleasure! I learned so much so quickly that it would have been a shame to not share it around. Besides if I record it, my inability to remember it will not be a bother, cause I always remember where to return to get the records. LOL!

On poltergeists (...geest, ...goost, whatever the plural might be), I wonder if the "person of focus"--in the case of spirit activity, if such is true--OR the agent--in the case of the psych energy release cases--is always an extreem introvert? If it might be related to extreem shyness. If so, that would indicate the person being reluctant to express, in some conventional manner, their need for some degree of stress release from the intensity of their agitation or hormone changes.

Just a thought that could be investigated, as people can determine these things by records of people behavior during their life.

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