'TRAGIC MILESTONE' - 1000 US troops dead

[BurnSide]

Doesn't change the fact that my ferrets stool sample could do a better job of being President.

In my opinion.

[Talon]

Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man

Bringing his skin colour into it makes that a racist comment

[Babs]

"Stupid fat white man!" Good Kellalor. Talon can't find any data to criticize.

Well, BurnSide, what about that link Homer brought up? What about those positives?

Edited September 8, 2004 by Babs

[BurnSide]

Not one of them justifies the death of one single person, American or not. That's what i think about it.

[Guest Lottie]

Bush Laments Loss of Life in Iraq

President George W Bush has paid tribute to the US soldiers killed in Iraq after the death toll hit the milestone of 1,000.

"We appreciate the sacrifice of the men and women who wear the uniform. We'll honour their memories by completing the mission," he said.

The US military death toll in Iraq has reached 1,000 since March 2003 when US forces invaded, the Pentagon says.

The stark milestone follows a recent surge in fighting and attacks.

More than a dozen US soldiers have been killed in the last two days alone.

Correspondents say the casualty figures re-open the debate over President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq, ahead of the November election.

Meanwhile, violence has continued in Baghdad's Sadr City and Falluja.

US forces resumed air strikes against targets in Falluja on Wednesday, with the fighter planes pounding the industrial zone. Two people are reported killed.

About 100 insurgents were killed in the restive town on Tuesday, according to the US military.

US marines were said to have used air strikes and artillery fire in response to a bomb attack on Monday that killed seven marines and three Iraqi soldiers.

Also on Tuesday, about 40 Iraqis were killed as US forces fought Shia insurgents in a Baghdad stronghold of rebel cleric Moqtada Sadr, health officials said.

Two Italian aid workers and two Iraqis were also kidnapped from their Baghdad offices in broad daylight.

The Pentagon announced late on Tuesday there had been 1,001 military casualties since US-led forces moved in to Iraq to topple Saddam Hussein 18 months ago.

Another US soldier died overnight, bringing the total number to at least 1,002.

He was killed in an attack on a military convoy north of Baghdad.

The US is losing soldiers at an average of 2.25 a day

Of the total number killed, three were civilian contractors. The number of wounded had reached 7,000.

All but 140 of the deaths have come since 1 May 2003, when President Bush declared an end to major combat operations under a banner reading "Mission Accomplished". About three quarters have been in combat situations.

There are no official figures for the number of Iraqi civilians killed in the same period. A group called the Iraq Body Count (IBC) believes the number exceeds 11,000.

Source

[+joc]

joc, it is an easy thing for you to say. Perhaps if you were to lose someone close to you, you might have a change of heart. Maybe not...I don't know, but I do know that was incredibly insensitive thing to say even for you.

I have lost someone close to me...it was insensitive and has been edited....

[DC09]

Michael Moore Is A Big Fat Stupid White Man

Bringing his skin colour into it makes that a racist comment

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Nope.

The title is a parody of ones that Moore uses.

[Permakid]

Kellalor is right. That title is a combination of Moore's "Stupid White Men" and Al Franken's "Rush Limbaugh is a Big, Fat Idiot"

[Babs]

Go Kellalor

[Velikovsky]

So has Bush found the time yet to go to a single of those 1,000 funerals?

People his decisions sentenced to death.

[Dowdy]

Although there is murder in all wars, war itself is not murder. To murder is to kill another human being unlawfully, which unfortunately is being done by the terrorists when they kill innocent people, such as civilians and children.

well, considering that this war was illegal it is hence, Unlawful.

[bathory]

well, considering that this war was illegal it is hence, Unlawful.

how was it illegal?

the gulf war never ended

there was a cease fire

Saddam kept breaking the cease fire

US responded

LEGAL LEGAL LEGAL!

Hell if the UN actually enforced its resolutions we would have had the same result

Sorry, but can you actually demonstrate its an illegal war? has the UN issued any statementts? hmm?

[Velikovsky]

The Gulf War wasn't a war.

That takes an act of Congress.

they'll declare war on anything that doesn't involve troops.

[Dowdy]

how was it illegal?

well, they went to war on assumptions - nothing was proven.

put it this way - police arrest and question people on assumptions. They get put in jail if they have proof they are guilty

Edited September 9, 2004 by Dowdy

[Dowdy]

here are a few links

from the lawers

from Richard Perle, some dude from the Pentagon

From Hans Blix - Former UN

[Kismit]

Homer ,

I have allways held your opinion with the uptmost respect , allthough I'm sure most of your posts you've earned debating against me re: George Bush and his policies . And somtimes space stuff .

I have a bit of a worrying problem and it goes something like this . "The war against terror seems to be centered on Iraq , while horrible attacks take place around the world , today the Australian embassy was bombed in Jakarta and of course the horor in Beslan recently , Shouldn't George Bush if he is trully interested in defending us all against terrorist attack be putting more resourses into these other events ?" the reason it worries me is mostly because of the Russian and Iranian connection , there relationships with America seem tenuos most of the time . I believe George really needs to appear to be helping out particularly in Beslan , to avoid what could become an international incident . I could be wrong and would be quite happy in this case to be incorrect .

I am interested in everyones opinoin but would really like to hear what you have to say about it in particular .

[bathory]

hmmmm, just reading, under international law, the only times when a country can go to war legally is either in self-defence or with UN approval.

Self-defence, Iraq firing on US warplanes patrolling the no-fly zone? just a thought

UN approval for war was never going to happen because the French had been bought out (the whole oil for food scandal which everyone seems to ignore), I would agree with people that the US acted illegally because of its lack of 'permission' however because of the actions of countries like France as well as good old Kofi, i would argue that the UN loses its right to dictate such things.

http://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=242

interesting opinion peice

[Homer]

Kismit,

The United States is not capable of fighting the war on terror on a global scale by themselves, and as a global community, we need to pool our resources to combat this new type of enemy.

Without getting into the pro's and con's of the Iraq war, the United States is paying an astronomical price in the attempts to rebuild Iraq. Manpower, money and equipment are sapped into that country, which would otherwise be available on other fronts.

Intelligence is key in the war on terror, and the U.S. warned of the attack in Jakarta, urging Americans to avoid the Kuningan district in which the blast occurred.

To Islamists, Americans, Israelis, and Russians are all infidels to be fought. In some places, they may piggyback on local conflicts and grievances. The Islamists also show a remarkable ability to transcend geographic and even religious boundaries in prosecuting their war. The Iranian mullahs are Shiites, Osama bin Laden is Sunni, and Saddam Hussein was ostensibly secular, yet they all consider themselves, and should be considered, allies in the same jihad against the West.

The attack in Beslan was a horrible thing, but it is inside Russia's borders, and Russia has previously protested vehemently about U.S. assistance in fighting terror in that region. Something about Russia's territorial integrity.

More can be done, and more should be done to combat terror, but the U.S. can't do it alone. Intelligence should be shared, and other nations must step up, even taking leadership roles to combat worldwide terrorism.

[Talon]

I have a bit of a worrying problem and it goes something like this . "The war against terror seems to be centered on Iraq , while horrible attacks take place around the world , today the Australian embassy was bombed in Jakarta and of course the horor in Beslan recently , Shouldn't George Bush if he is trully interested in defending us all against terrorist attack be putting more resourses into these other events ?" the reason it worries me is mostly because of the Russian and Iranian connection , there relationships with America seem tenuos most of the time . I believe George really needs to appear to be helping out particularly in Beslan , to avoid what could become an international incident . I could be wrong and would be quite happy in this case to be incorrect .

Agreed. The whole war seems to have geared to giving him a reason to go into Iraq and finish daddy’s little war. Any terrorism outside of the oil rich middle East he tends to has a spokes man say he 'sends his sympathies' and leaves it at that. Sudan at the moment is in chaos, yet Bush is nowhere to be seen, yet he instead makes war on Saddam, an evil man yes, whose people in the long-run will probably benefit from his removal, however, their are thousands of dictators out there. Iraq was not a haven for Al-Queda, they hated Saddam since he killed their operatives due to their threat to his position. Yet Bush makes war. If he's so interesting in liberating oppressed people's why doesn't he go after Colonel Gaddafi and such like. But instead he instead in 2001 alone he funded $3.5 billion to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Kuwait. And Uzbekistan. All of which have appalling human rights records.

Bush’s attitude is totally run by "You like us, we like you." The History Channel even did an article last month about how the overwhelming majority of World Dictator’s are totally in favour of ‘Bush 2004!’.

[+joc]

daddy’s little war

It is unfortunate that the memories of some are so short. It might do well to try and remember that Sadaam invaded Kuwait, killing and raping innocent women and children along the way. "Daddy" kicked him out of Kuwait. Sadaam also plotted to assassinate "Daddy". Sadaam also played cat and mouse while shooting at our soldiers in the air on a daily basis. Sadaam also paid families $25,000 for each child they sent off as suicide bombers. Sadaam also murdered over 300,000 of his own countrymen. Sadaam and his sons routinely raped young girls and their mothers for days at a time. Sadaam gave refuge to key Al Queda terrorists.

Sudan at the moment is in chaos, yet Bush is nowhere to be seen, yet he instead makes war on Saddam, an evil man yes, whose people in the long-run will probably benefit from his removal, however, their are thousands of dictators out there.

We took out the Sadaam first as part of a strategic plan Talon. Ignore Sadaam? For how long? Another 12 years? Don't blame the US or Bush for the tragedy in Sudan without assessing blame to the UN for the genocide of Ruwanda. You just can't afford to not see the larger aspects of this war in Iraq. Please try to see the broader, much larger picture. It is essential to your understanding the war on terror.

[Mekorig]

Ahh..the allies of the USA...the coallition of the willing...UK and a lot more of small countries how allies whit USA by bribery and threat.

[Homer]

Although there is murder in all wars, war itself is not murder. To murder is to kill another human being unlawfully, which unfortunately is being done by the terrorists when they kill innocent people, such as civilians and children.

well, considering that this war was illegal it is hence, Unlawful.

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Dowdy,

Some people say the U.S. rushed into war without giving the U.N. or the inspectors time to do their job. 10 U.N. resolutions in almost a 12 year period, and still the Iraqi government didn't do what the U.N. legally required(and the Iraqi government approved). Below is the list of resolutions. The U.N. not only lost it's backbone, but also it's integrity, as it repeatedly failed to punish or authorize the punishment of international lawlessness.

U.N. Security Council Resolution 687 3 April 1991; Iraq approves of

resolution 10 April 1991

Iraq shall unconditionally accept the destruction, removal, or rendering

harmless, under international supervision, of: (A) All chemical and

biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and

components and all research, development, support and manufacturing

facilities; B. All ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150

kilometres and related major parts, and repair and production facilities;

Iraq shall unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons

or nuclear-weapons-usable material or any subsystems or components or any

research, development, support or manufacturing facilities related to the

above.

The forming of a Special Commission, which shall carry out immediate on-site

inspection of Iraq's biological, chemical and missile capabilities

U.N. Security Council Resolution 707 15 August 1991

(Noting with grave concern the letters dated 26 June 1991, 28 June 1991 and

4 July 1991 from the Secretary-General, conveying information obtained from

the Executive Chairman of the Special Commission and the Director-General of

the IAEA which establishes Iraq's failure to comply with its obligations

under resolution 687 (1991)),

allow the Special Commission, the IAEA and their Inspection Teams immediate,

unconditional and unrestricted access to any and all areas, facilities,

equipment, records and means of transportation which they wish to inspect

cease immediately any attempt to conceal, or any movement or destruction of

any material or equipment relating to its nuclear, chemical or biological

weapons or ballistic missile programmes, or material or equipment relating

to its other nuclear activities without notification to and prior consent of

the Special Commission

Iraq will fully and immediately cooperate in the inspection of the locations

identified by the Special Commission and present for immediate inspection

any of those items that may have been transported from those locations

make available immediately to the Special Commission, the IAEA and their

Inspection Teams any items to which they were previously denied access

U.N. Security Council Resolution 715 11 October 1991

Demands that Iraq meet unconditionally all its obligations under the plans

approved by the present resolution and cooperate fully with the Special

Commission and the Director General of the International Atomic Energy

Agency in carrying out the plans

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1060 12 June 1996

Emphasizing the importance the Council attaches to full compliance by Iraq

with its obligations under resolutions 687 (1991), 707 (1991) and 715 (1991)

to permit immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to the Special

Commission to any site which the Commission wishes to inspect.

Demands that Iraq cooperate fully with the Special Commission in

accordance with the relevant resolutions; and that the Government of Iraq

allow the Special Commission inspection teams immediate, unconditional and

unrestricted access to any and all areas, facilities, equipment, records and means of transportation which they wish to inspect

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1115 21 June 1997

Determined to ensure full compliance by Iraq with its obligations under all

previous resolutions, in particular resolutions 687 (1991), 707 (1991), 715

(1991) and 1060 (1996) to permit immediate, unconditional and unrestricted

access to the Special Commission to any site which the Commission wishes to

inspect

Demands that Iraq cooperate fully with the Special Commission in accordance

with the relevant resolutions; and that the Government of Iraq allow the

Special Commission inspection teams immediate, unconditional and

unrestricted access to any and all areas, facilities, equipment, records and

means of transportation which they wish to inspect in accordance with the

mandate of the Special Commission;

Demands further that the Government of Iraq give immediate, unconditional

and unrestricted access to officials and other persons under the authority

of the Iraqi Government whom the Special Commission wishes to interview, so

that the Special Commission may fully discharge its mandate

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1134 23 October 1997

Expressing grave concern at the report of additional incidents since the

adoption of resolution 1115 (1997) in which access by the Special Commission

inspection teams to sites in Iraq designated for inspection by the

Commission was again denied by the Iraqi authorities

Reaffirming its determination to ensure full compliance by Iraq with all its

obligations under all previous relevant resolutions and reiterating its

demand that Iraq allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to

the Special Commission to any site which the Commission wishes to inspect...

Condemns the repeated refusal of the Iraqi authorities, as detailed in the

report of the Executive Chairman of the Special Commission, to allow access

to sites designated by the Special Commission, and especially Iraqi actions

endangering the safety of Special Commission personnel, the removal and

destruction of documents of interest to the Special Commission and

interference with the freedom of movement of Special Commission personnel decides that such refusals to cooperate constitute a flagrant violation of

Security Council resolutions 687 (1991), 707 (1991), 715 (1991) and 1060

(1996)

Demands in particular that Iraq without delay allow the Special Commission

inspection teams immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to any and

all areas, facilities, equipment, records and means of transportation which

they wish to inspect in accordance with the mandate of the Special

Commission, as well as to officials and other persons under the authority of

the Iraqi Government whom the Special Commission wishes to interview so that

the Special Commission may fully discharge its mandate

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1137 12 November 1997

Recalling further the Statement of its President of 29 October 1997 in which

the Council condemned the decision of the Government of Iraq to try to

dictate the terms of its compliance with its obligation to cooperate with

the Special Commission, and warned of the serious consequences of Iraq's

failure to comply immediately and fully and without conditions or

restrictions with its obligations under the relevant resolutions

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1194 9 September 1998

Determined to ensure full compliance by Iraq with its obligations under all

previous resolutions, in particular resolutions 687 (1991), 707 (1991), 715

(1991), 1060 (1996), 1115 (1997) and 1154 (1998), to permit immediate,

unconditional and unrestricted access to the Special Commission and the IAEA

to all sites which they wish to inspect, and to provide the Special

Commission and the IAEA with all the cooperation necessary for them to

fulfil their mandates under those resolutions

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1205 5 November 1998

Determined to ensure immediate and full compliance by Iraq without

conditions or restrictions with its obligations under resolution 687 (1991)

of 3 April 1991 and the other relevant resolutions

Demands that Iraq rescind immediately and unconditionally the decision of

31 October 1998, as well as the decision of 5 August 1998, to suspend

cooperation with the Special Commission and to maintain restrictions on the

work of the IAEA, and that Iraq provide immediate, complete and

unconditional cooperation with the Special Commission and the IAEA

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441 8 November 2002

All 15 council members voted for the resolution.

The resolution states that Iraq remains in material breach of council

resolutions relating to Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. It gives UNMOVIC and IAEA, among other things, unrestricted rights of entry and travel into and throughout Iraq; provides for U.N. security for the inspectors; gives the inspectors the right to freeze sites and declare exclusion zones; and gives them the right to conduct interviews, either inside or outside the country, without the presence of Iraqi officials. Most importantly, it gives the inspectors immediate, unconditional, and unrestricted access to all sites in Iraq, including so-called presidential sites.

[bathory]

thats why i think the UN has had its time

[Cradle of Fish]

1000 Americans dead eh?

How many Iraqis?

[bathory]

1000 Americans dead eh?

How many Iraqis?

a long way from the 300 000 + Saddam was responsible for