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I am deliberately silent about my experiences in truth they're on-going but there is no doubt about a dark side of this universe, it is nice to believe in painting a universe through rosy lenses. Am I fear monger? No.

The only power they have is that which we give them? That is a half truth or rather this sword is dual edged if the whole fabric of eternity is paramount upon what is truth and what are lies.

I thought below quote was very fitting for above quote myself......

What matters is what is true, not what we wish to be true.

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I thought below quote was very fitting for above quote myself......

The quote can fit many situations including those who believe in no supernatural.

I'm a Christian. I believe there is most certainly an afterlife, and the demonic exists.

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The quote can fit many situations including those who believe in no supernatural.

I'm a Christian. I believe there is most certainly an afterlife, and the demonic exists.

Nothing wrong with someone believing in something.......

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In my personal worldview and experience, there are no demons, no evil beings. There are thought forms, which are created by fear & negative thinking, and the only power they have is that which we give them. I understand this isn't true for everyone, but this is my truth. I refuse to buy into fear and remain firmly grounded in the benign, loving, intelligent energy that runs the universe, that protects me, comforts me, informs me, and guides me. In my world there is nothing else, and nothing to fear.

Yup. No demons... No evil ( not spiritual anyway). The entire concept in the other realities is a mute point.

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Yup. No demons... No evil ( not spiritual anyway). The entire concept in the other realities is a mute point.

I'm sorry you are mistaken. There are demons, and these entities are most certainly evil.

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I'm sorry you are mistaken. There are demons, and these entities are most certainly evil.

Ok, you said it ....." There are Demons, and these entities are most certainly evil "

Before you get upset with me for being as you say a " skeptic ", let me try it this way.

I would love nothing more than for anyone with these types of claims to change my view.I would like to see things like this being real, I trully would.I would not be let down, or mad, I would be happy, happy to know things like this just might exist.

In other words, I want to believe.......So, no more of the " you have to believe excuse ".

With that said, I am still waiting for even a small piece of evidence to sway me back to that direction, and I can not find any.The more I look, the more I am convinced it is impossible.

So, when people state these things are real, I ask for anything they have to show me, that will help convince me, and others as well.

It takes evidence, not faith.

So.......I am waiting.

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Ok, you said it ....." There are Demons, and these entities are most certainly evil "

Before you get upset with me for being as you say a " skeptic ", let me try it this way.

I would love nothing more than for anyone with these types of claims to change my view.I would like to see things like this being real, I trully would.I would not be let down, or mad, I would be happy, happy to know things like this just might exist.

In other words, I want to believe.......So, no more of the " you have to believe excuse ".

With that said, I am still waiting for even a small piece of evidence to sway me back to that direction, and I can not find any.The more I look, the more I am convinced it is impossible.

So, when people state these things are real, I ask for anything they have to show me, that will help convince me, and others as well.

It takes evidence, not faith.

So.......I am waiting.

I've seen your "famous" thread on the subject. Apparently, these entities are not puppets and do not perform on demand.

See this post for a beginning of my thoughts on the subject ... http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=217600&view=findpost&p=4243897

It's possible you need to be honest and ask yourself "do I truly understand the nature of evidence". The more I look the more convinced I have become.

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I've seen your "famous" thread on the subject. Apparently, these entities are not puppets and do not perform on demand.

See this post for a beginning of my thoughts on the subject ... http://www.unexplain...dpost&p=4243897

It's possible you need to be honest and ask yourself "do I truly understand the nature of evidence". The more I look the more convinced I have become.

I am not talking about another thread....I did not know it was famous :)

You may or may not have seen, I was a " believer " in many things considered " Paranormal ", and also " religion "......

Thing is, the more I started researching, and educating myself, the more I realised it is all based on faith.

I need more than faith to " believe " in something.....Not sure if it because I am getting older ( and wiser, yes it is true ), or that I was just being ignorant as to how I was " educating " myself.

Probably a bit of both.Using just TV and paranormal sites, or just the church to learn about UFO's, Bigfoot, and Demons is not the way to go....One needs to look at other, real, avenues also.....Medical, Psychological, etc.

Sorry, I do not buy into things anymore because someone said so on a forum, or on TV, or because they read the Bible and became clergy........I would, however, buy into any of those giving me facts that can be backed up with evidence.

As said, it is facts and evidence I need, not just faith and claims........I have found more facts to the contrary of what claims and faith have tried to claim.

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I'm sorry you are mistaken. There are demons, and these entities are most certainly evil.

My truth is there are no demons, no darkside, out there. There's evil here, committed by mankind, and I refuse to minimize responsibility for horrendous acts by attributing them to demons or a dark side. I don't believe I'm mistaken in my perceptions of reality, nor do I believe you are. The bible says it well: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. My "thou" might be different from the Christian "thou", the intent of this verse resonates with me.

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It may be that we all find what we are looking for.

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Sakari,

If demons can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to exist there would be no skeptics in the world right?

But there are people that have had spiritual experiences that arent benevolent in nature i.e. demonic. In fact, I doubt many would come on a public forum and desire to speak about it either.

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Sakari,

If demons can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to exist there would be no skeptics in the world right?

But there are people that have had spiritual experiences that arent benevolent in nature i.e. demonic. In fact, I doubt many would come on a public forum and desire to speak about it either.

There would be no one skeptical about Demons......There would still be skeptics.

As I said, spiritual experiences / belief / faith those are just claims, and not a real physical thing........And even those can not be shown to be fact.

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My truth is there are no demons, no darkside, out there. There's evil here, committed by mankind, and I refuse to minimize responsibility for horrendous acts by attributing them to demons or a dark side. I don't believe I'm mistaken in my perceptions of reality, nor do I believe you are. The bible says it well: Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. My "thou" might be different from the Christian "thou", the intent of this verse resonates with me.

That verse does nothing to support your claim that evil does not exist. It most certainly does. The Bible clearly supports the existence of evil spirits such as demons. There exists both evil people and spirits. It is not a question of one or the other.

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It may be that we all find what we are looking for.

Not if they are mutually exclusive. If you say they don't exist and I say they do one of us is right and one wrong.

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As I said, spiritual experiences / belief / faith those are just claims, and not a real physical thing........And even those can not be shown to be fact.

No offense Sakari, but I don't think you understand what constitutes evidence. I think you are under the mistaken notion that only empirical evidence is true evidence. This is not the case.

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That verse does nothing to support your claim that evil does not exist. It most certainly does. The Bible clearly supports the existence of evil spirits such as demons. There exists both evil people and spirits. It is not a question of one or the other.

The Cat in the Hat clearly supports a walking, living, talking cat, and two twins that can appear out of no where.......

Not if they are mutually exclusive. If you say they don't exist and I say they do one of us is right and one wrong.

This is true......It is up to the one making the claim to show proof though......Not for the person stating it is wrong to show it is not.

No offense Sakari, but I don't think you understand what constitutes evidence. I think you are under the mistaken notion that only empirical evidence is true evidence. This is not the case.

I think I know what it would take to get me to say these things exist.......

Just because you or anyone else can not come up with anything to show this, is not my fault.

I said what it would take for me, and trust me, I understand exactly what it is.....

No offense at all, but it is not out there.

P.S. I think we can both stop saying " no offense ", I think both of us get that this is just a discussion. ;)

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If you insist on being right, there is little I can do to convince you otherwise. And I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, just here to share my experiences & perspectives.

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I'm sorry you are mistaken. There are demons, and these entities are most certainly evil.

How do you know this?

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I've been to places in dreams,that I have never seen before,and years later,I physically,see the places from my dreams.

That has happened to me once! I had a dream that I drove a few minutes away from my friend's house (in California, where I live) to a man's house, and he gave us a tour. Then months later, I went with my friend to Utah (2 states away from where I live) to come to this house, and he gave us that tour. What makes it extremely interesting to me, though, is that even though it was the same exact house from my dream, there were some very obvious differences. Like a bathroom window not being installed yet, but just sitting against wall in dream, and being perfectly installed in real life. And my friend's room having all of his stereo equipment in the dream, but in real life he left all of that at his house back in California.

Sorry, I'm getting off the topic... :lol:

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If you insist on being right, there is little I can do to convince you otherwise. And I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, just here to share my experiences & perspectives.

I can appreciate them. I admire your sharing of what you believe, without trying to put a right and wrong aspect to belief, as others grip to. Some people just get that shift.

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Aside from my personal experiences.

I believe there is a spiritual war being conducted between truth and deception.

For example, I learned last year I learned I had type 2 diabetes, I really need to watch my diet and had to give up alot of foods I used to love. I have to discipline myself now. Same goes with spiritual matters, one has to watch what they intake just because it feels good or tastes good in that there is some emotional gratification or spiritual self-satisfaction doesnt necessarily make it good but that can amount to self-deception leading into harmful delusions.

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Aside from my personal experiences.

I believe there is a spiritual war being conducted between truth and deception.

For example, I learned last year I learned I had type 2 diabetes, I really need to watch my diet and had to give up alot of foods I used to love. I have to discipline myself now. Same goes with spiritual matters, one has to watch what they intake just because it feels good or tastes good in that there is some emotional gratification or spiritual self-satisfaction doesnt necessarily make it good but that can amount to self-deception leading into harmful delusions.

Not sure how that is an example of a war.

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I can appreciate them. I admire your sharing of what you believe, without trying to put a right and wrong aspect to belief, as others grip to. Some people just get that shift.

when one has been wrong as often & consistently as I have been, one learns humility. don't know who's right & who's wrong, or even why it must come down to that, so I just put one foot in front of the other and keep plodding along, counting on that truism: even a blind pig finds an acorn every now and then.

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Not sure how that is an example of a war.

What is an example of war? I am speaking in the sense of contention.

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In my personal worldview and experience, there are no demons, no evil beings. There are thought forms, which are created by fear & negative thinking, and the only power they have is that which we give them. I understand this isn't true for everyone, but this is my truth. I refuse to buy into fear and remain firmly grounded in the benign, loving, intelligent energy that runs the universe, that protects me, comforts me, informs me, and guides me. In my world there is nothing else, and nothing to fear.

YES!

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