Von Bismarck Posted February 14, 2012 #1 Share Posted February 14, 2012 For most everyone alive today, it's almost a fundamental fact. Life began in the ocean and evolved into all of the different organisms that exist today. The idea that this could be wrong causes great discomfort, like discovering as an adult that you were adopted as a child. Nonetheless, a team of diverse scientists led by Armen Mulkidjanian is suggesting that very thing; instead of life beginning in deep thermal vents in the ocean, the prevailing view, they say it perhaps instead started in landlocked freshwater pools created by thermal vapor. Their theory is based, as they explain in their paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, mostly on the idea that the sea is just too salty to provide the ideal conditions necessary to spur life into existence. Scientist suggests life began in freshwater pond, not the ocean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted February 15, 2012 #2 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I'm still quietly rooting for the abiotic origin theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angi chiesa Posted February 15, 2012 #3 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Well I like the idea that one of my ancestors was a one cell slime creature,so I am quite content to think that my my lot came down from the trees.Now I am homo sapiensie intelligent life. Why is there so much stress in my life.I want to go back to climb some trees and ponder the meaning of life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archangel Oger Posted February 15, 2012 #4 Share Posted February 15, 2012 Well I like the idea that one of my ancestors was a one cell slime creature,so I am quite content to think that my my lot came down from the trees.Now I am homo sapiensie intelligent life. Why is there so much stress in my life.I want to go back to climb some trees and ponder the meaning of life LOL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbSbrKvIYOk&feature=related Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Four Winds Posted February 15, 2012 #5 Share Posted February 15, 2012 When I was a kid they did not even know about life in deep thermal vents in the ocean, we were taught that life came from the oceans but nothing about extremophiles. Anyway, maybe early life developed in different conditions on this planet at or around the same time. Be it a thermal vent, a freshwater pond, or on the shores of an ocean. I love the debate, but for anyone to say there is only one way it happened seems a bit silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spud the mackem Posted February 15, 2012 #6 Share Posted February 15, 2012 What bothers me is not where live began,but how is it going to end ?.Nevermind live to be a hundred and you have made it,because not many people die after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
27vet Posted February 16, 2012 #7 Share Posted February 16, 2012 We came here on a comet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock_the_Future Posted February 16, 2012 #8 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Is this just a suggestion or a Scientific Theory (Based on FACTS I presume and not assumptions) ? Edited February 16, 2012 by Spock_the_Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spock_the_Future Posted February 16, 2012 #9 Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Double Quote (deleted and added into the first original), I got an message that my I earlier post was not accepted as I posted again withing 15 Secs of some other post that I made. Then how did the double post happen ? Is the PHP POST code check correct ? (Sorry, back to being a computer nerd again). Wouldn't hurt to recheck though. Edited February 16, 2012 by Spock_the_Future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oly Posted February 22, 2012 #10 Share Posted February 22, 2012 (edited) Did I miss the announcement of conclusive evidence of evolution? Or any inconclusive evidence? Edited February 22, 2012 by oly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oly Posted February 22, 2012 #11 Share Posted February 22, 2012 "Not one change of species into another is on record... we cannot prove that a single species has been changed." Darwin: "My Life and Letters", Volume 1. Any updates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted February 23, 2012 #12 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Did I miss the announcement of conclusive evidence of evolution? By about a century, give or take. Any updates? Have we made any new discoveries in the field of evolution in the last century and a half? 150 years? Yeah...quite a few. Edited February 23, 2012 by aquatus1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oly Posted February 23, 2012 #13 Share Posted February 23, 2012 By about a century, give or take. Have we made any new discoveries in the field of evolution in the last century and a half? 150 years? Yeah...quite a few. Do you mean mongrels, mutants, freaks, cross-breeds & hybrids? & the odd misrepresented skull? Evolution hasn't been accepted, looks more like its been enforced for political reasons. Even Darwin didn't base it on reality. People have just tried to fit evidence to the theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted February 23, 2012 #14 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Do you mean mongrels, mutants, freaks, cross-breeds & hybrids? & the odd misrepresented skull? No. I'm talking about science. Evolution hasn't been accepted, looks more like its been enforced for political reasons. Accepted? We passed "accepted" decades ago, centuries if you count practical application as opposed to theoretical understanding. Today, evolution is commercialized, industrialized, and mass-produced. You think of evolution as some sort of brand image; as if the purpose of everything that is done is to make evolution look good. The academic and business world spends as much time thinking of evolution as they do contemplating the concrete sidewalk; it is so commonplace and functional that hearing people question whether the sidewalk actually makes travel any easier is a little bit silly in its obviousness. Even Darwin didn't base it on reality. People have just tried to fit evidence to the theory. Oly, c'mon...you know, I know, everyone here knows, that you don't have the faintest clue what Darwin said about his theory beyond the most general concept of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oly Posted February 23, 2012 #15 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Oly, c'mon...you know, I know, everyone here knows, that you don't have the faintest clue what Darwin said about his theory beyond the most general concept of it. evidence of gutenberg deleting this very quote? Anyone got an old copy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJkWYmy9Byw&feature=youtube_gdata_player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted February 23, 2012 #16 Share Posted February 23, 2012 evidence of gutenberg deleting this very quote? Anyone got an old copy? Like I said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oly Posted February 23, 2012 #17 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Like I said... Have these been deleted yet? http://www.overcomeproblems.com/darwin.htm But you can't delete them out of old books, so I'll have to go down the library. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshsluss Posted February 23, 2012 #18 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I think it's more plausible that life began in multiple environments as long as the climate supported life. The seeds of single celled organisms could have been planted by space and remained dormant until the climate was just right and these organisms, animated by sun and climate, would have thrived in oceans, ponds, swamps, deserts, tundras... Who knows? I doubt it was one specific environment which gave way to all life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted February 23, 2012 #19 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Have these been deleted yet? Beats me. I have two or three books from the Guttenberg project, Prince and the Pauper and Dracula (I think). They're okay, no real complaints, but they aren't anything fancy. There are occasional glitches (you get what you pay for). Good for casual reading, that's about it. But you can't delete them out of old books, so I'll have to go down the library. You can also buy them from Amazon, or any local bookstore. Heck, you have access to all of Darwin's works online. Edited February 23, 2012 by aquatus1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oly Posted February 23, 2012 #20 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Darwins acknowledgement of the lack of evidence for his wilder speculations doesn't prove anything anyway. The earth not being flat is accepted, but theres too many opponents of evolution theory to say it's accepted as fact. Here's a chart on wikipedia showing some figures for the level of support: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Views_on_Evolution.svg Edited February 23, 2012 by oly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted February 23, 2012 #21 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Darwins acknowledgement of the lack of evidence for his wilder speculations doesn't prove anything anyway. Noticed your mistake, did you? Next time, google before you post. The earth not being flat is accepted, but theres too many opponents of evolution theory to say it's accepted as fact. It isn't enough to be an opponent of evolution. You actually have to know what evolution and science, is before anyone takes you seriously. There are no opponents of evolution who are educated in biology or organic chemistry: the people who understand evolution. There is no debate on the validity of evolution in the academic, commercial, or industrial fields; the people who use evolution. Here's a chart on wikipedia showing some figures for the level of support:http://en.m.wikipedi...n_Evolution.svg And if science were a matter of popular vote, that might actually be relevant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oly Posted February 23, 2012 #22 Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Noticed your mistake, did you? Next time, google before you post. It isn't enough to be an opponent of evolution. You actually have to know what evolution and science, is before anyone takes you seriously. There are no opponents of evolution who are educated in biology or organic chemistry: the people who understand evolution. There is no debate on the validity of evolution in the academic, commercial, or industrial fields; the people who use evolution. And if science were a matter of popular vote, that might actually be relevant! What mistake? Opponent? Sorry I meant skeptic Are you confusing "developing a resistance" with "monkeys to people?" Op implied far more acceptance than chart suggests. Edited February 23, 2012 by oly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted February 24, 2012 #23 Share Posted February 24, 2012 What mistake? Opponent? Sorry I meant skeptic Are you confusing "developing a resistance" with "monkeys to people?" Op implied far more acceptance than chart suggests. "Monkeys to people"? Would you care to cite the reference for this conceptualization? Hint - You may wish to actually study the topic. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oly Posted February 24, 2012 #24 Share Posted February 24, 2012 "Monkeys to people"? Would you care to cite the reference for this conceptualization? Hint - You may wish to actually study the topic. A reference... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution You didn't know about that part of the theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquatus1 Posted February 24, 2012 #25 Share Posted February 24, 2012 No, Oly, it is you that doesn't know that part of the theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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