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Life is a circle.

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Black Elk Oglala Sioux Holy Man

1863-1950

You have noticed that everything as Indian does is in a circle, and that is because the Power of the World always works in circles, and everything tries to be round..... The Sky is round, and I have heard that the earth is round like a ball, and so are all the stars. The wind, in its greatest power, whirls. Birds make their nest in circles, for theirs is the same religion as ours....

Even the seasons form a great circle in their changing, and always come back again to where they were. The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves.

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Awesome, well spoken :tu:

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What goes round comes around, they tell me.

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Native American reflection on life I like it, I thought you might like this,

TWO WOLVES

An elderly Cherokee Native American was teaching his

grandchildren about

life. He said to them, "A fight is going on inside me...it

is a terrible

fight, and it is between two wolves.

One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret,

greed, arrogance,

self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false

pride, superiority,

and ego.

The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing,

serenity, humility,

kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity,

truth, compassion,

and faith.

This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every

other person, too."

They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his

grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied..."The one you feed."

Native American see more at http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/TwoWolves-Cherokee.html

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Native American reflection on life I like it, I thought you might like this,

TWO WOLVES

An elderly Cherokee Native American was teaching his

grandchildren about

life. He said to them, "A fight is going on inside me...it

is a terrible

fight, and it is between two wolves.

One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret,

greed, arrogance,

self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false

pride, superiority,

and ego.

The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing,

serenity, humility,

kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity,

truth, compassion,

and faith.

This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every

other person, too."

They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his

grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied..."The one you feed."

Native American see more at http://www.firstpeop...s-Cherokee.html

Thank you. This is one of my favorite Native American sayings. This Native American parable is my all time favorite.

The Breath of a Buffalo

What is Life ? It is the flash of a firefly in the night.

It is the breath of a buffalo in the winter time.

It is the little shadow which runs across the grass

and loses itself in the Sunset."

-Crowfoot....April 1890, on his deathbed

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Thank you. This is one of my favorite Native American sayings. This Native American parable is my all time favorite.

The Breath of a Buffalo

What is Life ? It is the flash of a firefly in the night.

It is the breath of a buffalo in the winter time.

It is the little shadow which runs across the grass

and loses itself in the Sunset."

-Crowfoot....April 1890, on his deathbed

Hi Robbie, The Breath of a Buffalo that’s really nice, it reminds me of some of the Taoist/Zen prose, so simple and pure. The Breath! Such wisdom! People look for miracles but the miracle of breath they miss every time. Thanks for that.

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Hi Robbie, The Breath of a Buffalo that's really nice, it reminds me of some of the Taoist/Zen prose, so simple and pure. The Breath! Such wisdom! People look for miracles but the miracle of breath they miss every time. Thanks for that.

You are welcome.

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This is one of my favorites.

"Out of the Indian approach to life there came a great freedom, an intense and absorbing respect for life, enriching faith in a Supreme Power, and principles of truth, honesty,

 generosity, equity, and brotherhood as a guide to mundane relations."---Luther Standing Bear Oglala

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This is one of my favorites.

"Out of the Indian approach to life there came a great freedom, an intense and absorbing respect for life, enriching faith in a Supreme Power, and principles of truth, honesty,

generosity, equity, and brotherhood as a guide to mundane relations."---Luther Standing Bear Oglala

Wonderful and so true. Thank you for this.

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Wonderful and so true. Thank you for this.

Do you think we will ever achieve that Robbie? "Generosity as guide to mundane relations" Sometimes I long so much for a life absent of preditorial thought. Mabey in the other world then.

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Native American reflection on life I like it, I thought you might like this,

TWO WOLVES

An elderly Cherokee Native American was teaching his

grandchildren about

life. He said to them, "A fight is going on inside me...it

is a terrible

fight, and it is between two wolves.

One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret,

greed, arrogance,

self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false

pride, superiority,

and ego.

The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing,

serenity, humility,

kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity,

truth, compassion,

and faith.

This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every

other person, too."

They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his

grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied..."The one you feed."

Native American see more at http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/TwoWolves-Cherokee.html

Love that story!

From Black Elk:

Then I was standing on the highest mountain of them all , and round about beneath me was the whole hoop of the world. And while I stood there I saw more than I can tell and I understood more than I saw; for I was seeing in a sacred manner the shapes of all things in the spirit, and the shape of all shapes as they must live together like one being. And I saw that the sacred hoop of my people was one of many hoops that made one circle, wide as daylight and as starlight, and in the center grew one mighty flowering tree to shelter all the children of one mother and one father. And I saw that it was holy.

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Native American reflection on life I like it, I thought you might like this,

TWO WOLVES

An elderly Cherokee Native American was teaching his

grandchildren about

life. He said to them, "A fight is going on inside me...it

is a terrible

fight, and it is between two wolves.

One wolf represents fear, anger, envy, sorrow, regret,

greed, arrogance,

self-pity, guilt, resentment, inferiority, lies, false

pride, superiority,

and ego.

The other stands for joy, peace, love, hope, sharing,

serenity, humility,

kindness, benevolence, friendship, empathy, generosity,

truth, compassion,

and faith.This same fight is going on inside you, and inside every

other person, too."

They thought about it for a minute and then one child asked his

grandfather, "Which wolf will win?"

The old Cherokee simply replied..."The one you feed."

Native American see more at http://www.firstpeople.us/FP-Html-Legends/TwoWolves-Cherokee.html

The first wolf represents the competitive instincts inherent in everyone, The second stands for the co-operative impulses. It is hard to imagine a functional society where the two are not present, the great social evils come when the balance between the two shifts too much from the centre. I sometimes wonder what became of the hippie colonies of the 60's and 70's with their emphasis on Wolf #2. In truth, no society can operate with just one of those 2 wolves.

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Yes circles/spheres.

All to do with area/circumference & volume/surface area ratios.

The gods must be lazy, If they were so special could they not have picked a hexagon? A star? something a little less natural (which is what circles are).

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The first wolf represents the competitive instincts inherent in everyone, The second stands for the co-operative impulses. It is hard to imagine a functional society where the two are not present, the great social evils come when the balance between the two shifts too much from the centre. I sometimes wonder what became of the hippie colonies of the 60's and 70's with their emphasis on Wolf #2. In truth, no society can operate with just one of those 2 wolves.

I've heard they all moved to California and Montana :D

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Do you think we will ever achieve that Robbie? "Generosity as guide to mundane relations" Sometimes I long so much for a life absent of preditorial thought. Mabey in the other world then.

According to my faith only one man has achieved this. As far as the rest of us, in my opinion, most of us will not but there are many of us that keep these thoughts out front and at least work at this attainment. For me, it is a mix of good and bad days. When I am not having a good day I try to run the day through my head at night to delve on why, where and how I could have done better. I don't think any one of us can do more than that. Have a good day and again, thank you.

Native American Prayer

Oh, Great Spirit

Whose voice I hear in the winds,

And whose breath gives life to all the world,

hear me, I am small and weak,

I need your strength and wisdom.

Let me walk in beauty

and make my eyes ever behold the red and purple sunset.

Make my hands respect the things your have made

and my ears sharp to hear your voice.

Make me wise so that I may understand

the things you have taught my people.

Let me learn the lessons you have

hidden in every leaf and rock.

I seek strength, not to be greater than my brother,

but to fight my greatest enemy - myself.

Make me always ready to come to you

with clean hands and straight eyes.

So when life fades, as the fading sunset,

my Spirit may come to you without shame.

- Chief Yellow Lark -

Lakota -

Native American Prayer

Oh, Great Spirit

Whose voice I hear in the winds,

And whose breath gives life to all the world,

hear me, I am small and weak,

I need your strength and wisdom.

Let me walk in beauty

and make my eyes ever behold the red and purple sunset.

Make my hands respect the things your have made

and my ears sharp to hear your voice.

Make me wise so that I may understand

the things you have taught my people.

Let me learn the lessons you have

hidden in every leaf and rock.

I seek strength, not to be greater than my brother,

but to fight my greatest enemy - myself.

Make me always ready to come to you

with clean hands and straight eyes.

So when life fades, as the fading sunset,

my Spirit may come to you without shame.

- Chief Yellow Lark -

Lakota -

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Do you mind if I ask what your faith is Robbie?

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The first wolf represents the competitive instincts inherent in everyone, The second stands for the co-operative impulses. It is hard to imagine a functional society where the two are not present, the great social evils come when the balance between the two shifts too much from the centre. I sometimes wonder what became of the hippie colonies of the 60's and 70's with their emphasis on Wolf #2. In truth, no society can operate with just one of those 2 wolves.

Hi ‘H’ Your right about the ‘balance’ that’s needed in society, I am reminded of The Yin/Yang symbol and also the Chariot of true progress in the Tarot where both horses of the charioteer one white and one black have to pull together for true progress. To me the balance has gone so far to the wolf#1 way, that to balance it out now, means the emphasis must be TOTALLY on wolf#2 to get back to the balance point. There is another perspective there is the head/mind which we need as you say to function but has no heart, 2+2 =4 and who cares about any consequences, Capitalism in all nastiness, a child dies every 3seconds for want of some clean water or a little bit of food but the head can make excuses and talk economics and gloss over the 1 million dollars on war every minute (this figure has probably increased significantly. Yet if the same system was conceived from the heart I am sure it would /could be very different. Nearly every country, has a dept. of WAR where is the dept. of PEACE? How hard would it be using the existing money, to say split the budget even 30% peace 70% war? We have become Lou Reeds,’ Straw man’ destroying the environment which sustains us all. “P***ing in the wind comes back at you twice as hard”

There are plenty of hippies in the UK just go to the south western corner near the ancient stone circles like stonehenge and the almost unknown but vastly more amazing in complex of Avebury circle especially around the summer solstice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bWYAWULLHA

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Do you mind if I ask what your faith is Robbie?

Certainly not but it is confusing to many. I am very Roman Catholic with a mixture of Native American wisdom and Shamanism meaning the respect of Mother Earth and her laws. It works for me.

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Certainly not but it is confusing to many. I am very Roman Catholic with a mixture of Native American wisdom and Shamanism meaning the respect of Mother Earth and her laws. It works for me.

you know what brother more power to you, I'm a firm believer in finding what works for you.

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There is no new thing under the sun . This bible statement define best Life's circle.

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Hi ‘H’ Your right about the ‘balance’ that’s needed in society, I am reminded of The Yin/Yang symbol and also the Chariot of true progress in the Tarot where both horses of the charioteer one white and one black have to pull together for true progress. To me the balance has gone so far to the wolf#1 way, that to balance it out now, means the emphasis must be TOTALLY on wolf#2 to get back to the balance point. There is another perspective there is the head/mind which we need as you say to function but has no heart, 2+2 =4 and who cares about any consequences, Capitalism in all nastiness, a child dies every 3seconds for want of some clean water or a little bit of food but the head can make excuses and talk economics and gloss over the 1 million dollars on war every minute (this figure has probably increased significantly. Yet if the same system was conceived from the heart I am sure it would /could be very different. Nearly every country, has a dept. of WAR where is the dept. of PEACE? How hard would it be using the existing money, to say split the budget even 30% peace 70% war? We have become Lou Reeds,’ Straw man’ destroying the environment which sustains us all. “P***ing in the wind comes back at you twice as hard”

There are plenty of hippies in the UK just go to the south western corner near the ancient stone circles like stonehenge and the almost unknown but vastly more amazing in complex of Avebury circle especially around the summer solstice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bWYAWULLHA

Economics is a description while capitalism is a prescription. The evils of people are always present no matter which system is used. Capitalism as a prescription is the best mathematical and researched option of how to mitigate the nature of man for the largest utility for everyone.

The thing with capitalism is that it will exist no matter how hard you want it to go away, because people always seek freedom. Forcing the to conform to another's ideas if utopia is essentially creating slaves. And the smart ones will end up in control of a controlled society. The evils of socialism.... You know babies dying, industrial waste, government corruption, lack of personal freedoms, and constant taxation are much much worse than those of capitalism. Usually the evils of a capitalistic society can be traced back to socialistic tendencies creeping in or not following the rules of internalizing externalities that is clearly spelled out in capitalistic doctrine.

Capitalism is a best ( scientific guess) prescription of how to live together in large societies. If you want to change the way people behave, you work on the people, you don't force them to share everything. Eliminating freedoms and basically stealing from people who innovate isn't going to solve anything. Those people will simply choose to not innovate or hide their success. Socialism accomplishes nothing. Not because it's not a good idea. Hell i wished I lived in a hippy commune. It's simply against prooven human nature. Change that nature then we can all live in peace. Unfortunately human beings don't work that way and we have to adress the reality of Human nature instead of bury our intellects in "utopia".

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A circle is the easiest way to sit round the fire. :rolleyes: Circles create energy vortex's within a group which makes for a fun evening. I know I had a great time last night at drumming and Full Moon ritual sitting round the fire. The Earth is magic.

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A circle is the easiest way to sit round the fire. :rolleyes: Circles create energy vortex's within a group which makes for a fun evening. I know I had a great time last night at drumming and Full Moon ritual sitting round the fire. The Earth is magic.

Nice.

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you know what brother more power to you, I'm a firm believer in finding what works for you.

I agree. We each have our own trail.

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This is one of my favorites.

"Out of the Indian approach to life there came a great freedom, an intense and absorbing respect for life, enriching faith in a Supreme Power, and principles of truth, honesty,

generosity, equity, and brotherhood as a guide to mundane relations."---Luther Standing Bear Oglala

This is a meaningful parable. Standing Bear was a unique man with great insight.

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