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The children who bore witness to Roswell

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Who were the two children who first came across the Roswell wreckage and what happened to them ?

Both of them –Dee and Vern- never spoke publicly about the event for as long as they lived. One of them ran from researchers and one ran from life itself. Both had “issues” that seemed insurmountable following the crash event- and both died young , keeping a burden that ultimately proved too difficult for either to bear.

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The two young men seem to me to fit the classic profile of 'abused children'. Of course, that is as speculative as what is being suggested in the article, but it at least has precedence in reality.

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The two young men seem to me to fit the classic profile of 'abused children'. Of course, that is as speculative as what is being suggested in the article, but it at least has precedence in reality.

Although I am sure that there would be many accounts from others that would corroborate what the article suggests, I dont think we would find any testimony that would support the speculation you put forward.

I am curious though Leonardo, what made you reach the 'classic profile' interpretation?

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The children who were at the crash site were bullied by the government, that is without question. They were frightened out of their minds and doubly scared because they were children and probably spoken to as adults. We will NEVER know what they saw... was it something crashed, a satelite, a UFO, some kind of rocket with a burnt monkey in it... and not an alien at all? I really want to believe that it was a UFO and it was an alien... because I am a hopeless romantic and I love these notions of crashed intersteller visitors... so where is this 'memory metal'? Is Loretta going to produce it after all this time??

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EBI's (Space Aliens,not Mexican one's)are alive and real, and some mean harm and some don't, unfortunately were all gonna meet the "not so nice" one's very soon!

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EBI's (Space Aliens,not Mexican one's)are alive and real, and some mean harm and some don't, unfortunately were all gonna meet the "not so nice" one's very soon!

how soon?

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EBI's (Space Aliens,not Mexican one's)are alive and real, and some mean harm and some don't, unfortunately were all gonna meet the "not so nice" one's very soon!

Lol yea any day now. Unless that's complete fantasy.

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Although I am sure that there would be many accounts from others that would corroborate what the article suggests, I dont think we would find any testimony that would support the speculation you put forward.

I am curious though Leonardo, what made you reach the 'classic profile' interpretation?

Both, apparently, from a young age had social issues and exhibited personality dysfunction in their later lives. I am not suggesting that all children who exhibit such symptoms are necessarily abused, but there is a 'classic profile' which is very similar to this that abused children exhibit.

The blaming of their behaviour on 'Roswell' is quite probably because it is only after the Roswell incident that either of them came into the public's notice.

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Both, apparently, from a young age had social issues and exhibited personality dysfunction in their later lives. I am not suggesting that all children who exhibit such symptoms are necessarily abused, but there is a 'classic profile' which is very similar to this that abused children exhibit.

The blaming of their behaviour on 'Roswell' is quite probably because it is only after the Roswell incident that either of them came into the public's notice.

ok thanks. I do see why you can/have read into it in that way. The article states in a few places that they only displayed said signs after the Roswell incident. I suppose a counter to this would be the 'public notice' route that you mention. Although it would be interesting to see anything that would suggest their behavious was bad prior to that day.

In amongst the speculation, do you think Loretta knew of the abuse?

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ok thanks. I do see why you can/have read into it in that way. The article states in a few places that they only displayed said signs after the Roswell incident. I suppose a counter to this would be the 'public notice' route that you mention. Although it would be interesting to see anything that would suggest their behavious was bad prior to that day.

In amongst the speculation, do you think Loretta knew of the abuse?

I don't know, and I don't know if there is enough information concerning their relationship to be able to know.

As far as I am aware, those investigating the characters involved in the incident have focussed on their lives after Roswell, and have not investigated whether they exhibited similar behavioural tendencies prior to this. Given the time that has elapsed, and the loss of so many witnesses because of that, I doubt we will ever find out.

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I don't know, and I don't know if there is enough information concerning their relationship to be able to know.

As far as I am aware, those investigating the characters involved in the incident have focussed on their lives after Roswell, and have not investigated whether they exhibited similar behavioural tendencies prior to this. Given the time that has elapsed, and the loss of so many witnesses because of that, I doubt we will ever find out.

I am not sure who Mac was actually out with on that day. I have seen suggested it was Mac and Dee, Mac +Dee+Vern, and also just Mac and Vern (as per the Roswell daily record.)

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I found this quite an interesting point if true:

About Dee Proctor. William D. "Dee" Proctor died of a heart attack on January 22, 2006. He was the youngest participant in the Roswell series of events, and managed to avoid every attempt at being interviewed, ending up being the only known first-hand witness at the Roswell crash site who never spoke publicly about the incident. However, many years following the crash-down, said to be sometime in 1994, his mother Loretta Proctor, then somewhere around or nearing her 80s or so (born in 1914 and still alive in 2010 at age 96), became extremely ill with a life-threatening blood clot in her neck. Her son, said by many to be highly reclusive, took her --- even though she was quite sick --- for the first time ever to a remote location 2.5 miles east-southeast overlooking the whole of the old debris field. There he told his mother, which she has since reported back, that Mac Brazel had found "something else." Loretta Proctor eventually recovered from her illness, but has never elaborated on what that "something else" was. The question now is IF William D. "Dee" Proctor was NOT with Brazel that morning, what was it that he knew so much about PERSONALLY that would impel him to risk the health of his own mother to embark on such a trek? To tell her about a mere weather balloon and a few scraps of tinfoil or string that had already been reported hardly seems enough. Loretta Proctor, who previously had always been fairly open regarding the Roswell Incident, will now not volunteer anything. Dee Proctor, as always had been the case, remained quiet on the issues right up till his death.

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See maybe the Aliens slipped these two kids a mind meld sorta thingy ? They were spying on us all these years . I wonder why they didnt give them a pocket full of gold rings to trade in though ? Then they could of started Texas Instruments and Apple co`s to build a new starship to get our water back to there dieing planet .

it could happen ! nah ! David Bowie already got that gig !

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Former NASA Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, who happens to be from Roswell NM, says he was told by a high ranking military officer that the UFO crash was real. Besides that, on December 24th 2010 at 10pm Est, the History Channel ran a documentary about that National Press Club UFO conference that they have every year, in which former government personnel talk about their UFO encounters. That show included footage of President Truman saying that his "administration deals with UFOs everyday" and General Eisenhower explaining that the UFO coverup is illegal and immoral and that he intends to end it.

And yet, we still have people saying that Roswell witnesses and investigators are people who don't live in reality.

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Idont doubt for one moment that aliens are here but if they intended us any harm they would have done so by now.

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Former NASA Astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell, who happens to be from Roswell NM, says he was told by a high ranking military officer that the UFO crash was real. Besides that, on December 24th 2010 at 10pm Est, the History Channel ran a documentary about that National Press Club UFO conference that they have every year, in which former government personnel talk about their UFO encounters. That show included footage of President Truman saying that his "administration deals with UFOs everyday" and General Eisenhower explaining that the UFO coverup is illegal and immoral and that he intends to end it.

And yet, we still have people saying that Roswell witnesses and investigators are people who don't live in reality.

Hey Psycho, go read this thread on Edgar...some good info on there,

edgar mitchell

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Who were the two children who first came across the Roswell wreckage and what happened to them ?

A crashed Weather Balloon did this to those children?

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I live on the other side of the mountain.. closer to Corona where the UFO actually crashed, then skiped.

At the school I work at we had a libraian, who grew up in the Roswell area, her family was all from that area. This woman was incredible, very sweet, always in a good mood, sharp as hell, and married to the minister in Ruidoso. She used to tell stories about her grandfather, whom went out to area to help clean up the crash, talk about alien bodies being carried off. She was one hundred percent convinced that it was a UFO, and that there were aliens. Granted I know the skeptics out there would not take her word, even if she was mother teresa, but I have history with this lady and have no doubt what she tells is true.

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I feel sorry for those kids....it must have been a horrific sight to them and then have adults threaten your life if you speak of it to anyone....enough to traumatize any child!!! It is a shame the government did that to these families....had we all known from the beginning....things might be different now!!

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After reading the story, it looks like the issues with the children (Vern) began after their class mates began making fun of them in school over the supposed flying saucer find his dad supposedly made.

Every day children are bullied and harassed in school, and every day, people who were treated that way in the past grow up to have issues in the future.

It seems as though he wanted to get away from the whole thing (moving/changing names, etc..) and distance himself from the probably millions of people who wanted to talk to him.

A sad story that he ended his life, but I don't see this as concrete proof that he found a flying saucer. Seems more of a story of a troubled adolescent who went on to do what some end up unfortunately doing. Taking their own life.

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It seems nearly everyone but me witnessed the crash.

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I'm going to post this again, as it seems to be relevant to this thread. I posted this originally in 2008. I'm sure some of you will remember it. This is my experience...

First and foremost, I’m not gonna give out any real names because in the end it’s not gonna matter and we

all know this is going to be just another story told by someone who knows someone and posted on the internet.

After all, as I’ve said before, you’re not gonna find the evidence you need to convince you of anything relating to

Roswell or anything else alien on your computer monitor anyway and this isn’t gonna change that fact, but you

know that.

This is from Friday and I wasn’t about to write things down, so this is from memory as best as I can recall.

We spent Friday night celebrating our friends birthday by bar-hopping. There were three couples total.

We had lunch around two thirty and started the hopping around four o’clock.

It was a nice semi-quiet bar we landed in where I had to wait for a break in the conversation,

(With our three wives, those are few and far between) when I reminded our friend, we’ll call him ‘Steve’, that he

has to tell me about his dad and Roswell. This was completely new to our other friends because they weren’t at

the dinner where he dropped that bomb on us (this would only be the second time the other two couples had

hung out together). But, before Steve could even start on the story, the other husband, ‘Dave’, chimes in with,

“Y’know, the guy who lets us...’ but his wife covered his mouth before he could say anything else, telling him,

”Shut up, I wanna hear this”.

Keep in mind, I’ve known Steve and his wife about two years, the other couple, probably about seven years and

none of us had ever discussed a subject like this and they didn’t know of my interest in it.

In fact, I’m not sure they really care much about it much because I mentioned that I’ve had sightings of my own

(I told them this after Steve told his dad’s story) and they never asked me a thing about them.

Steve’s dad was fresh out of the Marines and went straight to work security at the labs in Los Alamos. He

found out much later in life that his father was a “bad-a--”, green beret type that even the FBI used on

occasion. Example: They had neighbors that moved in next door to them and lived there for about seven years.

Turns out this family was in FBI protective custody and he was their keeper (for lack of a better word), and his own

family was oblivious to that fact.

Anyway, he was fairly new to the labs when they got the call. According to his dad, they were the first to

arrive at the crash site (and it sounded like that was arranged, that they would be first on scene to examine things)

and only the state police were there sooner and only to surround the area on the ranch. They walked up to three

dead bodies near the wreckage ( I can’t remember how many LANL security personnel went, but it was at least three).

Typical grey alien description. The craft was broken up and appeared to be no more than 12‘ to 15’ in diameter,

or used to be.

Now, I haven’t studied the Roswell incident in-depth so I’m not sure how this coincides with other stories but

there’s stuff he’s telling me regarding the crash is completely different from anything else I’ve heard about it.

For instance, I’ve never heard these two things:

The first thing he said they had to do was strap the largest part of the wrecked craft down because it was

acting like it wanted to take off. I don’t know if it was jumping up and down, vibrating or what.

The second part I’d never heard before was that this thing was so light, two soldiers lifted and loaded the

largest part onto the truck with ease.

I then asked about the ‘memory metal’ and I guess he talked to his dad about this too. It had nothing to do

with the shell of the craft. The best that he could tell, it came from inside it. I thought this would be the extent

of the memory metal talk but then he said his dad played with it, and sure enough, if you were gentle with it,

you could manipulate it. It was when you traumatized it, a punch, hit it with a rock, it instantly became rigid.

I’d never heard that that was how it ‘worked’.

At this point, I’m starting my second or third beer of the night and wondering what the hell Dave was going to

interject before we began talking but Steve wasn’t done yet, so I would wait to ask him as I’m still trying to

absorb everything he’s telling us anyway. Even the chicks were quiet and listening intently! I know, right?

Steve had told me it wasn’t a long story, but try typing this out!

From there, they shipped everything off somewhere and I can’t remember if he said the base or the labs, but I think

he said the labs.

That’s where he was gonna stop with the story until I asked if his dad was ever threatened if he talked.

Holy crap.

He said his dad was never threatened and he assumed it was because of how high up the chain these

guys were at the time. If they ever signed anything promising to keep quiet about whatever, it was probably done

at the start of their careers at the labs.

Remember his dad was “fresh out of the Marines” when he started working at LANL. Two of the guards that were

with him at the crash site had been working there for awhile before he arrived. Six months after the clean-up at Roswell,

one of these men retired. One year after the event, the other retired. Both were dead within months of leaving the

labs. “If you were working for the labs, you were safe,” his dad told him. I didn’t ask Steve how they died and I’m not

sure he knew.

His dad had to retire too at some point, right? So I asked him how that went. “As soon as he retired, we were gone.

We moved so much man, it wasn’t unusal for me to go to two different schools in a year.” He said his dad never carried

a gun with him until he retired and wasn’t without after he did. “As soon as my dad got a ‘feeling’, we got lost.”

They eventually got back to New Mexico and stayed. That one incident in Roswell affected Steve’s life growing up and he

wasn’t born until 1963!

Now I turn to Dave and ask what he was gonna say after I brought up Roswell. “The guy that lets us hunt on his land,

in Corona, said he saw the wreckage too. He was friends with the guy that owned the ranch and he had him come down to look

at something. After he took a look at it, he said it wasn’t anything from earth.” Not sure he had any more details than that.

I figured that was about it and we’d finish our drinks and move on, then Dave added, “My dad worked at the labs for three

years too. He only had one thing really weird happen to him.” We all waited for him to continue and this is what he told us:

His dad was being escorted through a secure building by two guards and in one huge room that they were simply passing through,

he noticed a partition or curtain dividing the room which seemed out of place. “Is that where you’re hiding the little green monsters?”

he asked. They turned him around, escorted him out of that building, into another secure building, sat him down and threatened,

“Any more questions or talk of that nature and you will be stripped of your clearance.” I’m sure he never said anything like that again.

After this, talk turned to the hollowed out Manzano mountains and how Dave’s dad talked about being escorted through there also.

One armed guard in front of him, one in back and he was told to keep his eyes to the floor until otherwise notified. I need to

ask him what his dad’s job was at the labs.

That was about it. I couldn’t make that up if I wanted to. Since I began writing this out, I took a break and downloaded my first

book about the incident, “The Day After Roswell” to see if any of it matched anything these guys told me. Little if any did. Only

reference to how light the craft was (Corso’s version has it in one piece). I’ve only read his account of the crash and clean-up and

I’ll finish the rest of the book later. Now, I’m left wondering how different every book about this incident is from one another.

We had a blast the rest of the night with our good friends and it was never brought up again!

Record post for me!

Now I’m done.

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I live on the other side of the mountain.. closer to Corona where the UFO actually crashed, then skiped.

At the school I work at we had a libraian, who grew up in the Roswell area, her family was all from that area. This woman was incredible, very sweet, always in a good mood, sharp as hell, and married to the minister in Ruidoso. She used to tell stories about her grandfather, whom went out to area to help clean up the crash, talk about alien bodies being carried off. She was one hundred percent convinced that it was a UFO, and that there were aliens. Granted I know the skeptics out there would not take her word, even if she was mother teresa, but I have history with this lady and have no doubt what she tells is true.

Hmmm , this changes my opinion somewhat. I tend to believe a story more if it comes from real people. Thanks, I might have to rethink this incident.

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EBI's (Space Aliens,not Mexican one's)are alive and real, and some mean harm and some don't, unfortunately were all gonna meet the "not so nice" one's very soon!

Why do you think that? I have seen UFO's, and I still highly doubt the existance of Aliens. Our best stealth aircraft is 50 years old. Was top secret for 20 years, and has been in the public view for 30 years. With technology exploding over those same years, its far more likely that these craft are made right here on earth.

Dont go buying into these clowns who claimed to have made contact. Especialy the ones trying to sell you a book, or a ticket to thier semiar.

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Why do you think that? I have seen UFO's, and I still highly doubt the existance of Aliens. Our best stealth aircraft is 50 years old. Was top secret for 20 years, and has been in the public view for 30 years. With technology exploding over those same years, its far more likely that these craft are made right here on earth.

Dont go buying into these clowns who claimed to have made contact. Especialy the ones trying to sell you a book, or a ticket to thier semiar.

Some of the best advise offered in here ! Good on you preacherman ! I cant understand what makes a person go out and buy into such crazy ideas ! WHen we get First contact THe entire planet will know really fast ! Im betting under a Hour ! From Contact to frying pan so to speak !

Now the rreal question will be Just How well done will be behave?

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interesting... will have to read again when not so tired.

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