Space Shuttle Challenger Hit By Terra-3

[bouncer]

Space Shuttle Challenger Hit By Terra-3 Soviet Strategic Space Weapon During Cold War Spy Mission

"Our thanks to former Space Shuttle Scientist and American Patriot, Clark McClelland, for his great generosity in sharing the following fascinating chapter from his extraordinary new book, The Stargate Chronicles, with the world.

The revelations in this chapter reveal a surprising, unknown piece of cold war history which came very close to creating a major international standoff between the US and the USSR".

hhhmmm, how do these 'secrets' get out I wonder? Even if remotely true that is..

Clicking the link takes you to a short page with a pdf file with the whole story..

http://www.rense.com/general95/shuttless.html

[Space Commander Travis]

*rolls eyes*

[Obviousman]

*cough*cough*bull*****

[DONTEATUS]

*cough*cough*bull*****

Turns head and also cough`s ! Too True !

[Czero 101]

* waits for the usual suspects to show up claiming how real this is *

Cz

[Hazzard]

Good lord,... Is there no limit to the absurdity!?

[flyingswan]

Good lord,... Is there no limit to the absurdity!?

If you don't appreciate absurdity, what are you doing here?

[RaptorBites]

Guess ill have to use this facepalm again today.

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I mean seriously???

[sickpuppy]

i gave up on rense when he linked to a triangle UFO video which was shot in a closet.. you could even see the door opening at one stage

the russians have been talking about some star cannon for decades.. what's the big news?

[itsnotoutthere]

i gave up on rense when he linked to a triangle UFO video which was shot in a closet.. you could even see the door opening at one stage

the russians have been talking about some star cannon for decades.. what's the big news?

Really? can you give me the link?

[Babe Ruth]

That is certainly an interesting story! Pieces of the Challenger washed up on the beaches where I live, 60 miles southeast. He failed to mention whether it flew any other missions between the time it was lasered and the time it crashed?

I've been reading AW&ST for the better part of 40 years now, and am wondering if I read something about that incident back then?

[cenobite]

That is certainly an interesting story! Pieces of the Challenger washed up on the beaches where I live, 60 miles southeast. He failed to mention whether it flew any other missions between the time it was lasered and the time it crashed?

I've been reading AW&ST for the better part of 40 years now, and am wondering if I read something about that incident back then?

well im pretty sure you didn't read about it back then because its a bunch of crap, challenger was the most used vehicle in the fleet and flew 7 missions between this supposed incident and it's accident in 86, being as the heat resistant tiles were stripped and replaced after every mission i find it very hard to believe that any sort of damage would go unoticed, and of course the actual cause of the challenger explosion was an o ring fault in one the solid rocket boosters not the shuttle itself, there is plenty of video footage that shows the booster at fault The official report into challenger's destruction was pretty damning on nasa and was an embarrasment to the reagan administration, and lets face it reagan was certainly no friend of the soviets during this period which saw some very tense moments of the cold war, im sure if they could of pinned it on the soviets they would have.

of course this is only my opinion, but just ask my wife im always right

peace out

[Czero 101]

well im pretty sure you didn't read about it back then because its a bunch of crap, challenger was the most used vehicle in the fleet and flew 7 missions between this supposed incident and it's accident in 86, being as the heat resistant tiles were stripped and replaced after every mission i find it very hard to believe that any sort of damage would go unoticed, and of course the actual cause of the challenger explosion was an o ring fault in one the solid rocket boosters not the shuttle itself, there is plenty of video footage that shows the booster at fault The official report into challenger's destruction was pretty damning on nasa and was an embarrasment to the reagan administration, and lets face it reagan was certainly no friend of the soviets during this period which saw some very tense moments of the cold war, im sure if they could of pinned it on the soviets they would have.

of course this is only my opinion, but just ask my wife im always right

peace out

Good points, but just a clarification on the bolded above...

The heat shield tiles / blankets were inspected after each mission and any damaged / missing tiles or blankets were replaced.

Stripping and replacing the entire heat shield system after each flight would be prohibitive from both a time and expense standpoint.

Cz

Edited April 29, 2012 by Czero 101

[Babe Ruth]

well im pretty sure you didn't read about it back then because its a bunch of crap, challenger was the most used vehicle in the fleet and flew 7 missions between this supposed incident and it's accident in 86, being as the heat resistant tiles were stripped and replaced after every mission i find it very hard to believe that any sort of damage would go unoticed, and of course the actual cause of the challenger explosion was an o ring fault in one the solid rocket boosters not the shuttle itself, there is plenty of video footage that shows the booster at fault The official report into challenger's destruction was pretty damning on nasa and was an embarrasment to the reagan administration, and lets face it reagan was certainly no friend of the soviets during this period which saw some very tense moments of the cold war, im sure if they could of pinned it on the soviets they would have.

of course this is only my opinion, but just ask my wife im always right

peace out

Yes, I agree with everything you say, except possibly for your statement that 'it's a bunch of crap.'

Maybe it is, and maybe it's not. What I can remember is that we were in disagreement with the Russians on many things during the Cold War, but those disagreements were resolved in time to partner with them in the International Space Station.

The story this man tells could very well be true.

[Babe Ruth]

Checking public information at NASA website, STS 41G, the flight in question in this thread, was launched with a northeast (57 degree) inclination, which determines that its orbit would have placed it over Russia.

Most launch inclinations are southeast, this one was northeast.

[sickpuppy]

it'snotoutthere, just internet search solar cannon or star cannon, throw the keyword russia in there also..

..there was also a more recent russian news interview, what seemed to be some drunken russian tycoon snapping to a news reporter about hey no worries we have one of them too (classified weapon) and we'll use it (that is, if you put much stock into what a drunk russian says?)

[cenobite]

Yes, I agree with everything you say, except possibly for your statement that 'it's a bunch of crap.'

Maybe it is, and maybe it's not. What I can remember is that we were in disagreement with the Russians on many things during the Cold War, but those disagreements were resolved in time to partner with them in the International Space Station.

The story this man tells could very well be true.

well of course it could be true, but i very much doubt it, firstly the terra 3 laser was never intended as a weapon in itself it was meant as a tracking system, its red laser was far too weak to do any damage, US scientists were (after the cold war admitedly) allowed to inspect the facility and it was later decommisioned and demolished. secondly the russians already had the capability to track the shuttle, why would they need to track it with a missile tracking device that was already known to the US? if it was new tech then perhaps you could understand them 'showing it off' to scare the US. It has been said the soviets believed the shuttle was being used as a spying platform (this could well be true) but the U2 and SR-71 were still in service at this time as well as spy satellites that the soviets also knew of, why not fire this 'weapon' at those targets to? and thirdly the soviets loved a bit of propaganda at this time, if this had happened they would have been shouting it from the rooftops announcing their technical superiority over the US, also and most critically firing a weapon at the shuttle would most certainly be considered an act of war, the shuttle at the time was also carrying canadian citizen for the soviets to do this would have been madness especially as we had the MAD (mutually assured destruction) doctrine at the time do you really think the soviets would risk world destruction over something as trivial as a shuttle flight? i think not

again just my opinion, could have happened but i sincerely doubt it, just read 15 minutes by L Douglas Keeney it'll give you more understanding as to why bull**** conspiracy theories like this are so unlikely and also that the truth is a lot scarier than stories like this

peace out

[Babe Ruth]

Cenobite

It seems you answer some of your own questions, or provide material to counter your suspicions. I would find it entirely possible that some angry Russian, knowing full well he did not have a weapons grade laser device, might want to experiment and find out just what WOULD happen were he to train his tracking device on the american spacecraft. I agree his actions were reckless, but as you say, truth is often stranger than fiction.

The Chinese used unconventional methods to bring down a satellite just a few years ago, and this event might be somehow similar.

This might not be a 'conspiracy theory', this might be the accurate account of a man that worked within the system.

It seems all your cards rest on the premise that a Russian would not do anything crazy. I find that improbable.

[mrbusdriver]

Checking public information at NASA website, STS 41G, the flight in question in this thread, was launched with a northeast (57 degree) inclination, which determines that its orbit would have placed it over Russia.

Most launch inclinations are southeast, this one was northeast.

It sounds like you're having some difficulty with "inclinations"...

Prior to missions to Mir and ISS. the typical inclinations targeted for launch were around 30 degrees. This launch trajectory results in and orbit that goes around the earth, and as the Earth rotates below the orbiting Shuttle, the "groundtrack" will cover the Earth in a belt from ~30N to 30S latitude. Launching southeast will not significantly change this.

The "space station" launches to Mir and ISS (which Challenger never undertook) required a much higher inclination, 48 degrees or so (Russian launch sites are high latitude). This required more energy, due to both the higher inclination and the higher target altitude.

So in general there is no "southeast" or "northeast" inclinations...just initial launch vectors that result in a given orbital inclination. There would be no operational reason to launch southeast that I know of (at least from KSC).

edit...I fouled up, it would appear that the Challenger flight was indeed a higher inclination orbit as stated. This would be launched in a more northeasterly direction (much as with the ISS flights) vs the more easterly launches for lower inclination missions. My error. Nonetheless, they never launched southeast.

Edited May 1, 2012 by mrbusdriver

[Babe Ruth]

I appreciate your candor and correction BusDriver.

I'm certainly no authority on it, but a very good friend of mine is obsessed with Shuttle stuff. He has even paid the price and participated in simulator sessions. Anyway, it was he who told me about the significance of the launch inclination as to final orbit.

Otherwise, he said pretty much the same thing you did.

[sickpuppy]

the soviets believed the shuttle was being used as a spying platform

there was ONE xerox machine in russia at one time in the past.. they special ordered it, had to come from western technology..[sinister music]

there was a little spy device inserted in that xerox machine

a specially trained technician [western agent] would service it and retrieve the information from time to time

sputnik

i could never confirm this.. but wasn't the module sitting in a detroit warehouse for some months BEFORE they shipped it over for the russians?

it's all secrets and lies - homer simpson

[cenobite]

well as i have said this is all just my opinion, just find it a little hard to swallow is all, i guess my final point would be is that if it was fired to track the shuttle it would not do any damage because it was not an effective weapon, it would not have caused the crew distress (unless the soviets were shining it through the cockpit window into their eyes!)and being as the US knew all about the terra 3 and that the soviets already tracked the shuttle as a matter of course, it seems unlikely that the world was on the brink of war because of it, of course if it was an effective weapon..the world would now be a barren nuclear wasteland!

ta ra for now

[Space Commander Travis]

The opening to the Dramatic Revelations doesn't perhaps give you much optimism in its accuracy..

"Terra 3 was used against the United States of America (U.S.A.) Space Shuttle Challenger for an attack on its' mission while being flown over the Union of Soviet Sovereign Republics (U.S.S.R)!"

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