Simbi Laveau Posted March 30, 2012 #1 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Autism rate is now approximately 20x higher than it was in the 1960s and 70s. Better testing is the reason sited . *coughs* Nothing to do with vaccinations being tripled for children in the last ten years. In 2009,1 in 110 were diagnosed,it is now 1 in 88. http://www.child-behavior-guide.com/autism-statistics.html http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Autism-rate-on-the-rise-3445915.php Just the facts ma'am,just the facts. Was on the news here today . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nkia Posted March 30, 2012 #2 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Autism rate is now approximately 20x higher than it was in the 1960s and 70s. Fluoride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey14 Posted March 30, 2012 #3 Share Posted March 30, 2012 *facepalm* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted March 30, 2012 #4 Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) I read this article last night. The rise is do a redefinition of autism as autism spectrum disorders. Basically, a group of disorders with similar features. Some show mild signs and some show more increased signs. Despite what some would like you believe, sans science, this has NOTHING to do with vaccinations or even a rise in the amount of people with autism spectrum disorders. It is do to wider screening and better diagnosis. Edited March 30, 2012 by Imaginarynumber1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted March 30, 2012 #5 Share Posted March 30, 2012 I read this article last night. The rise is do a redefinition of autism as autism spectrum disorders. Basically, a group of disorders with similar features. Some show mild signs and some show more increased signs. Despite what some would like you believe, sans science, this has NOTHING to do with vaccinations or even a rise in the amount of people with autism spectrum disorders. It is do to wider screening and better diagnosis. BS. Then why are there not new cases of 40 and 50 year olds with autism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffybunny Posted March 30, 2012 #6 Share Posted March 30, 2012 BS. Then why are there not new cases of 40 and 50 year olds with autism? You should probably ask Hans Asperger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted March 30, 2012 #7 Share Posted March 30, 2012 (edited) BS. Then why are there not new cases of 40 and 50 year olds with autism? How many 40 and 50 year olds do you know that go and get tested for autism spectrum disorders? I'm sure you're a qualified medical diagnostician who studies autism, right? By the time somebody is that age they have usually established themselves in life. How many people do you know with exceedingly poor social skills? Generally, you would assume then to just be socially inept, but as it happens with my 30 year old brother, it could Aspergers, one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders. Edited March 30, 2012 by Imaginarynumber1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted March 30, 2012 #8 Share Posted March 30, 2012 How many 40 and 50 year olds do you know that go and get tested for autism spectrum disorders? I'm sure you're a qualified medical diagnostician who studies autism, right? By the time somebody is that age they have usually established themselves in life. How many people do you know with exceedingly poor social skills? Generally, you would assume then to just be socially inept, but as it happens with my 30 year old brother, it could Aspergers, one of the Autism Spectrum Disorders. They probably nearly all see doctors at some point. Most cases of autism cant be so easily hidden. Injecting children with several doses of mercury could easily be a cause. But I know, thats crazy talk. Thats why the government has given drug companies immunity (no pun intended) from damage caused by vaccines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted March 30, 2012 #9 Share Posted March 30, 2012 You should probably ask Hans Asperger. Oh man, did you see the south park episode? Funny stuff. Not to make light of people with the diease. Its horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted March 30, 2012 #10 Share Posted March 30, 2012 They probably nearly all see doctors at some point. Most cases of autism cant be so easily hidden. Injecting children with several doses of mercury could easily be a cause. But I know, thats crazy talk. Thats why the government has given drug companies immunity (no pun intended) from damage caused by vaccines. There is already a thread where the ACTUAL numbers for vaccines have been posted. Multiple times. And ignored by multiple people. I'm not going to get into it again here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted March 30, 2012 #11 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Autism rate is now approximately 20x higher than it was in the 1960s and 70s. Better testing is the reason sited . *coughs* Nothing to do with vaccinations being tripled for children in the last ten years. In 2009,1 in 110 were diagnosed,it is now 1 in 88. http://www.child-behavior-guide.com/autism-statistics.html http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Autism-rate-on-the-rise-3445915.php Just the facts ma'am,just the facts. Was on the news here today . If you were really interested in the facts, you'd know this has nothing to do with vaccines. The current rise in previously eradicated diseases, however, can be directly linked to those who have similar views as yours. And yes, it has everything to do with expanding the definition of autism. When I was in school, we always had a handful of "weird kids" in our class - well, guess what, those kids are now considered autistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSot Posted March 30, 2012 #12 Share Posted March 30, 2012 They probably nearly all see doctors at some point. Most cases of autism cant be so easily hidden. Injecting children with several doses of mercury could easily be a cause. But I know, thats crazy talk. Thats why the government has given drug companies immunity (no pun intended) from damage caused by vaccines. Except mercury is only present as thimerosal in some flu vaccines. And teh effects of mercury poisoning are not the same as autism. The governmnet gave immunity to some drug corporations because they were getting sued for side effects, and dropping production as they get no monetary benefit for vaccines otherwise. Yes, there are sideeffects. They are rare, and usually but not awlays non life threatening. In comparison tot eh diseases which they prevent, which since I'm going to shoot int he dark here and guess your're in a first world nation where small pox, polio, mumps, and other infectious diseasses are no longer endemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorybebe Posted March 30, 2012 #13 Share Posted March 30, 2012 Personally, I think it is the diets to blame. We are over farming the land, we have genetically engineered the food, we pick the produce before it is ready so that it isn't over-ripe in the stores...abd how many additives are in everyday foods, never mind the junk foods? If you read Lisa Lewis, PHD;s book Special Diets for Special Kids, she's lived it. Her son has problems and they are able to basically manage them through diet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FurthurBB Posted March 30, 2012 #14 Share Posted March 30, 2012 They probably nearly all see doctors at some point. Most cases of autism cant be so easily hidden. Injecting children with several doses of mercury could easily be a cause. But I know, thats crazy talk. Thats why the government has given drug companies immunity (no pun intended) from damage caused by vaccines. The government didn't exactly give them immunity. If there is gross negligence you can still sue them in regular court. Other than that you have to petition a special court that pays out of a fund that is paid into by pharmaceutical companies that manufacturer vaccines. This had to be done because when people were suing vaccine manufacturers they stopped making vaccines all together because they are not like drugs that are taken daily. Often times pharmaceutical companies will release drugs that they know are bad because even if they are sued they will still profit. Also, if it was mercury in vaccines then the pathology would be similar and it is actually the opposite. Not to mention the cases of autism should be dropping off and they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted March 30, 2012 #15 Share Posted March 30, 2012 The government didn't exactly give them immunity. If there is gross negligence you can still sue them in regular court. Other than that you have to petition a special court that pays out of a fund that is paid into by pharmaceutical companies that manufacturer vaccines. This had to be done because when people were suing vaccine manufacturers they stopped making vaccines all together because they are not like drugs that are taken daily. Often times pharmaceutical companies will release drugs that they know are bad because even if they are sued they will still profit. Also, if it was mercury in vaccines then the pathology would be similar and it is actually the opposite. Not to mention the cases of autism should be dropping off and they are not. Right. These are the kinda folks we are dealing with. And they still use it in flu vaccines. Who is to say they stopped using it, and many other harmful substances. The list similarities of in mercury poisoning and autism is far longer then the differences. Probably at least enough to mistake it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted March 30, 2012 #16 Share Posted March 30, 2012 BS. Then why are there not new cases of 40 and 50 year olds with autism? Because 99% of adults have developed strategies that cope with their Autism over the years. Look at it like that - the classic, quaint "British eccentrics"? All Autistic. That chap with the big hair who used to dream about what it was like to ride on a beam of light? Autistic. The people who worked out just about everything about the natural world? All Autistic. At least in one shape or form of it, at the very least, you see, I'm Autistic and was only diagnosed as an adult (I'm on the lower end of the Spectrum, there are a lot of kids like me who the ASD support system basically says "go fend for yourselves" but who, on paper are "Autistic", we have shocking social skills, get easily obsessed by things and really live in a little world of our own because the real world doesn't make 'sense'). The dreamers and deep thinkers of society since the very beginning were probably to a (wo)man Autistic. Just because we're diagnosing more people with Autism now does not in anyway reflect an increase in something that's causing it, just that more attention is being payed to the diagnosis and (medical) treatment of the Disorder(s). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted March 31, 2012 Author #17 Share Posted March 31, 2012 http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/03/30/vaccines-and-autism-the-secret-that-you-are-not-supposed-to-know/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Parents seem to be catching on.Go figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 31, 2012 #18 Share Posted March 31, 2012 *coughs* Nothing to do with vaccinations being tripled for children in the last ten years. In 2009,1 in 110 were diagnosed,it is now 1 in 88. ... Just the facts ma'am,just the facts. Was on the news here today . So, what exactly is your point? Are you afraid to say what you are implying, or have I read it wrong? Do tell us precisely why you used the *cough*. In other words - state your claim, and let's go through it step by step. And JUST THE FACTS, like you said, instead of handwaving, unsupported (and highly damaging) waffle. Yes, let's look at the *implications* of the claim, not just how it was derived - let's look at the effect it has in a much wider sense... BTW, posting uncommented and undebated links or twitter feeds is the lowest form of debate, imo. This is a FORUM, where claims are discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted March 31, 2012 #19 Share Posted March 31, 2012 http://www.pakalertpress.com/2012/03/30/vaccines-and-autism-the-secret-that-you-are-not-supposed-to-know/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Parents seem to be catching on.Go figure. That website is blocked for me because of maliciou code warnings. Or if I'm being less then subtle because the website is peddling bull****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigger Posted March 31, 2012 #20 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I read this article last night. The rise is do a redefinition of autism as autism spectrum disorders. Basically, a group of disorders with similar features. Some show mild signs and some show more increased signs. Despite what some would like you believe, sans science, this has NOTHING to do with vaccinations or even a rise in the amount of people with autism spectrum disorders. It is do to wider screening and better diagnosis. thank you, a person with a brain. mmr does not, i repeat, does not cause autism. it is due to genetics. there was a so called dr, whose name i forget (this is probably due to the fact this upstart was not in fact a real dr) that claimed the mmr vaccine caused autism. he showed so called facts and figures, all of which he with drew as he could not prove a single one of them. the number one person i know who has been affected by this, is a good friend of mine. he chose not to vaccinate his kids due to all the rubbish he was fed from different people and sites that are used to instil fear into minds of people who are already scared. both his boys have autism... how do you explain that? i know... genetics. there are far more dr's and specialists out there now who can properly screen people with a wide range of conditions.. many people who had 'mental conditions' or werent socially acceptable were generally institutionalized. they werent seen for fear of the family being in shame. that and the fact the dr's then werent too sure what they were dealing with. now they have more education ( a pity more people dont) and can properly diagnose people with conditions. this is why it seems that there is an icrease or boom in the austism factor. seriously people, stop feeding into the fear. this is just rediculous. the number one reason why we dont have these horrible virus' and sicknesses in the western world is due to vaccination. they are now beginning to spike again (whooping cough being the worst) due to scare tactics and ignorance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted March 31, 2012 #21 Share Posted March 31, 2012 How sad people are so ready to come to the defense of drug companies. Every single bit of information you get defending vaccines are paid for by them. They spend billions in advertisments, so main stream will never tell you the truth. They spend billions on lobbiests to have politions push the same crap. Perfectly normal developing babies suddenly brain dead after thier 10th round of vaccines, with ALL KINDS of horrible substances, and they are the crazy ones. Even when independant studies come out showing a clear link, suddenly scientist who other wise were reputable, are suddenly lunitics. Its litteraly amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 31, 2012 #22 Share Posted March 31, 2012 How sad people are so ready to come to the defense of drug companies. Every single bit of information you get defending vaccines are paid for by them. They spend billions in advertisments, so main stream will never tell you the truth. They spend billions on lobbiests to have politions push the same crap. Perfectly normal developing babies suddenly brain dead after thier 10th round of vaccines, with ALL KINDS of horrible substances, and they are the crazy ones. Even when independant studies come out showing a clear link, suddenly scientist who other wise were reputable, are suddenly lunitics. Its litteraly amazing. This anti-vaccine drivel is reprehensible, disgusting and dangerous. It is based on a long-disproven and horrifyingly flawed 'study'. SHAME on those promoting it. Preacherman76, you are very likely alive because of the efficacy of vaccines. And I now challenge you - either CITE the 'independant'{sic} studies or withdraw the falsehood. I feel sorry for the *children* of the unbelievably IRRESPONSIBLE parents who have fallen for this ignorant hysteria about vaccinations, thereby endangering others and creating an ever-growing risk of renewed outbreak of these now-controlled diseases. It is conspiracy theorism at its absolute worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted March 31, 2012 #23 Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) This anti-vaccine drivel is reprehensible, disgusting and dangerous. It is based on a long-disproven and horrifyingly flawed 'study'. SHAME on those promoting it. Preacherman76, you are very likely alive because of the efficacy of vaccines. And I now challenge you - either CITE the 'independant'{sic} studies or withdraw the falsehood. I feel sorry for the *children* of the unbelievably IRRESPONSIBLE parents who have fallen for this ignorant hysteria about vaccinations, thereby endangering others and creating an ever-growing risk of renewed outbreak of these now-controlled diseases. It is conspiracy theorism at its absolute worst. I am far more likely to be a live cause of the changes in personal hygene then I am cause of vaccines. Sorry boss, but the toxic effects to the brain caused by mercury have long been known. Besides, Im not advocating people stop taking vaccines. Im advocating making them safe, regardless of whether or not drug companies lose money over it. Its is NOT a conspiracy theory that several known toxins are in vaccines. Nor is it a conspiracy theory that it is having a horrible effect on our children. Wonder how much the drug companies had to pay to "disprove" that one of the single greatest nero toxins of this planet isnt harmful? They have actualy been able to buy your own common sence. Why would you feel sorry for kids who are FAR less likely to get autism directly cause they havent had vaccines? Drug companies might lie, but the numbers never do. Edited March 31, 2012 by preacherman76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted March 31, 2012 #24 Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) http://www.physorg.com/news159646809.html But I guess if you really need a study saying mecury is harmful, well here you go. There is a vast amount of information on this site. http://www.naturalnews.com/011764.html Though I know you will only accept sites paid off by Pharm companies. Sorry I couldnt come up with any of those, go figure. Edited March 31, 2012 by preacherman76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted March 31, 2012 #25 Share Posted March 31, 2012 (edited) This anti-vaccine drivel is reprehensible, disgusting and dangerous. It is based on a long-disproven and horrifyingly flawed 'study'. SHAME on those promoting it. Preacherman76, you are very likely alive because of the efficacy of vaccines. And I now challenge you - either CITE the 'independant'{sic} studies or withdraw the falsehood. I feel sorry for the *children* of the unbelievably IRRESPONSIBLE parents who have fallen for this ignorant hysteria about vaccinations, thereby endangering others and creating an ever-growing risk of renewed outbreak of these now-controlled diseases. It is conspiracy theorism at its absolute worst. Mr Wakefield has previously accused Britain's General Medical Council (GMC) of seeking to "discredit and silence" him and shield the British government from responsibility in what he calls a "scandal". The Lancet says it will not comment on the accusations. Hmm, that always seems to happen when taking on the man. ALWAYS. Ask the few hundred kids who were raped by high level officails all the way to the white house, what happeneds when you speak out. Edited March 31, 2012 by preacherman76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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