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Your telling me that you have made your own religion up,I thought Jesus said "No one comes to the Father except through me".That's the point everybody is making up their own version and calling themselves Christians .It seems to me that only Christians will be in heaven after the resurrection according to Jesus and not a load of Cherry pickers with their own brand of Christianity

fullywired

You did not answer my question. But oh well.

No i did not make my religion up. God came to me physically and undeniably, but he didnt claim to be the christian god, and in fact never identified himself as god. (but a dog doesnt have to say its a dog either :devil: )

.i chose christianity as my form of "worship'of or relationship with that powerful entity, for personal and cultural reasons. I chose to folow the closest to biblical form as i could because much of christianity has been changed through 2000 years of theological evolution and i wanted to be like those other people who knew god as a real physical and powerful being.However, my observance of christianity and my understanding of its theology is not unique to me. It is a widespread one across many denominations. Archbishop pell, the highest ranking catholic clergy in Austrlaia, jus tsaid on the ABc this week that, in his view, all humans will eventually be reunited with god, except those who just dont want to be. He said "heaven " will be filled with atheists and people of all religions. In christian theology christ died for all men And so yes christians believe they have to come to god through christ, but that isn't the case. Christ enables all humans to be reunited with god past present and future in an after life, but Humans have been coming to god in this life, since they evolved sapience and became aware of him. They came to god before christianity or even judaism were ever evolved.

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.i chose christianity as my form of "worship'of or relationship with that powerful entity, for personal and cultural reasons. I chose to folow the closest to biblical form as i could because much of christianity has been changed through 2000 years of theological evolution

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Just as I said, you have made your own brand of religion.What are you going to say to Jesus on judgement day, that you have cherry picked bits of the bible,but you think god slipped up when he wrote the bible and you have rectified the mistakes.and if your Archbishop is correct then us atheists are laughing, we can have a good time and still end up in the same place as the genuine Christians;.(which doesn;t include you ) but not to worry I'll see you there :tu::

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Just as I said, you have made your own brand of religion.What are you going to say to Jesus on judgement day, that you have cherry picked bits of the bible,but you think god slipped up when he wrote the bible and you have rectified the mistakes.

fullywired

Gotta agree with you there... And to add he is not the only perosn to make up their own brand of Christianity

. I know of a few others who will raise the bar a little and claim - We follow the bible and yes Jesus.. but ... ( and yes there is a but ) we are not really Christians ....( how unusual )....... but we are closer to God...Like we get specially picked out and our experiences are how do you say ....higher than any average Christian?

We have people approach us in the streets like we are Jesus... So to sum up.. We are HIGHER than Christians...but we don't like to say that in full because we fear the reaction some Christians will give us...... So we will dance around that !!!..

IF anyone spots this and tries to expose it. we will sit in denial and again - dance around it ..

If anyone calls us Christians? .We will act like it is an insult and imply how that is just .....beneath us how dare you lol

We can pray and get kept safe, were as the average Christians can pray too but if they do not get answer, it must mean..well it means they are not like us.. that high up the heavenly ladder lol innocent.gif

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I think you earned another half point for No10,you said you agreed that you deny the existence of other gods ,ignore the outrage bit,That lets you qualify as a Christian (but only just) as I said ,strip away the excessive remarks and your left with what Christians believe in

fullywired

Ok, that's a fair point, I re-read the questions and no. 10 does deserve an extra half-mark (I think when I first read it I was in a particular frame of mind that didn't really consider 1/2 marks). I still wouldn't give myself any points about prayer, but I see your point. I guess I'm riling against the entire idea that a Christian can be defined by the intolerance presented within the evilbible.com article. I don't think any real Christian can manage 0-from-10, but at the same time I think defining a person by the intolerance shown by some is a very poor way to decide whether a person is a true believer.

That's my thoughts, take it or leave it :P

~ PA

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.. I don't think any real Christian can manage 0-from-10, but at the same time I think defining a person by the intolerance shown by some is a very poor way to decide whether a person is a true believer.

That's my thoughts, take it or leave it :P

~ PA

I have to agree with you there but for me I can't agree that the 3000 different editions can all claim to be Christians nor will I ever be convinced

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Just as I said, you have made your own brand of religion.What are you going to say to Jesus on judgement day, that you have cherry picked bits of the bible,but you think god slipped up when he wrote the bible and you have rectified the mistakes.and if your Archbishop is correct then us atheists are laughing, we can have a good time and still end up in the same place as the genuine Christians;.(which doesn;t include you ) but not to worry I'll see you there :tu::

fullywired

ROFLMAO Every human "makes" their own "brand of religion". That is as natural and inevitable as everyone of us possessing a separate consciousness and separate experiential based world view.

No two humans are identically alike in their theologies any more than their philosophies. You are either trying to bait me :innocent: or genuinely dont understand (or dont agree with) mainstream christian theological positions on this. Thats Ok . It is understandable in that it is not important to you.

And I dont have to worry about jesus, and the judgement day. :innocent: I am comfortable, both in my thelogical position on jesus/gods view on this, and in my personal relationship with god. I live with the physical presence of god in my heart, my mind, and my environment, every minute of every day.

That in itself doesn't make me a good (or better) person, but itmeans I am comfortable in my relationship with god now and in the future. I work on it, as i do on all important relationships. God points out to me where i get it wrong, and encourages me to improve, but he doesnt expect perfection; just steady effort, growth, evolution, and learning.

That relationship with, and connection to, god is not dependent on my christian viewpoint or on any religious theological pov. Those come second to my existence as a part of god and gods existence as a part of me.

God came to me when i was an absolute atheist.One doesnt have to have a religious belief structure to connect to god, although it does help many people.

It could exist and be maintained within ANY form of religious framework, past or present. Christianity makes it clear that connection to god is an individual thing, which does not require the bleesing of the church There was no "church" in christ's life The church provides a framework, and things like social support. But a man could live alone on a mountain all his life and still be one with god.

You are not qualified academically or otherwise to decide whether I am "a christian". :devil: Only god and I am privy to that.

Fortunately it doesnt matter to god if I am, or not. If i am a "good" person and connect to god it doesnt matter if i am pagan, jew, buddhist, jainist, muslim, or gaean. God is god of all humans wheter they realise or appreciate that or not (and that is part of christian theology) We cant escape it. And, as such, the form of religious worship we take is not particularly important, if it strengthens our relationship with god and helps us hear, and listen to, him. Listening to god, and being "in sync" with god, in a personal realtionship, does make a differnce to a human's life on earth. A very significant differnce, in many real, physical, and psychological ways. Ps I assume you mean "your" archbishop as in Australian. He is not "My" archbishop in any other sense. I just happened to see him in a public discussion with richard dawkins, last monday night.

I was suprised (but pleased) to hear a catholic bishop express such an enlightened and liberal view on the question of who will get to "heaven".

persoanlly i dont believe(or disbelieve) in a heaven after death, but i know one can live in "the kingdom of god" while on earth today. And in that sense, I believe, based on the evidences, that every human being can enter into "the kingdom of heaven" right now, if they choose to and live in it for their whole natural life. It is a wonderful place to exist in. And just as the bible happens to promise it will be. :innocent:

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Gotta agree with you there... And to add he is not the only perosn to make up their own brand of Christianity

. I know of a few others who will raise the bar a little and claim - We follow the bible and yes Jesus.. but ... ( and yes there is a but ) we are not really Christians ....( how unusual )....... but we are closer to God...Like we get specially picked out and our experiences are how do you say ....higher than any average Christian?

We have people approach us in the streets like we are Jesus... So to sum up.. We are HIGHER than Christians...but we don't like to say that in full because we fear the reaction some Christians will give us...... So we will dance around that !!!..

IF anyone spots this and tries to expose it. we will sit in denial and again - dance around it ..

If anyone calls us Christians? .We will act like it is an insult and imply how that is just .....beneath us how dare you lol

We can pray and get kept safe, were as the average Christians can pray too but if they do not get answer, it must mean..well it means they are not like us.. that high up the heavenly ladder lol innocent.gif

See my response to fully wired for my thoughts; but one point, since you referred to me specifically.

In my case my relationship with god neither makes me special nor better than anyone else, and i dont see or feel this way about it. It just is what it is. I didnt chose it. I have little say in the matter (although I chose to accept it graciously, and make the most of it, being a rational person)

In my opinion (naturally biased by my own expereinces) this is the natural condition of humanity. It is something which is not just available to all humans, but it is howhow we are MEANT to live, as a product of our evolution.

I am not special, or superior, or better, in any way, just differnt. Differnce has its good points and bad points. I have to deal with both. All humans are differnt/unique. How you view this, or feel about it, is relevant only to you. It is i who have to deal with the reality of it every day.

I appreciate that the rest of your comments were general, and referred to others. I can't speak for others, only for myself, but I cant help how you feel about me either, or about how you see/perceive my descripions of my life and self.

No man is higher than another. We are not just equal, but all part of one being. And christ himself made that very clear. But he also said to make the most of ALL the talents god gives to you. I try my hardest to do that.

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I guess the point stands that I was "grading" this because it was being graded by others and it was suggested that a 4-out-of-10 was a minimum requirement for someone who called themselves "Christian" :D

I wouldn't worry, too much. I have it on fairly good authority that FullyWired probably won't be in charge of deciding who goes through the Pearly Gates :P

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Just as I said, you have made your own brand of religion.What are you going to say to Jesus on judgement day, that you have cherry picked bits of the bible,but you think god slipped up when he wrote the bible and you have rectified the mistakes.and if your Archbishop is correct then us atheists are laughing, we can have a good time and still end up in the same place as the genuine Christians;.(which doesn;t include you ) but not to worry I'll see you there

Eh, you're not really an atheist if you're copping out like that. I've noticed quite a few of my atheist friends who have that same mental reservation. You're taking Pascal's wager, whether you like it or not.

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Eh, you're not really an atheist if you're copping out like that. I've noticed quite a few of my atheist friends who have that same mental reservation. You're taking Pascal's wager, whether you like it or not.

Explain your reasoning

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ROFLMAO Every human "makes" their own "brand of religion". That is as natural and inevitable as everyone of us possessing a separate consciousness and separate experiential based world view.

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So your saying Christians can make any up version they want and still claim to be Christians and it's multiple choice

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I wouldn't worry, too much. I have it on fairly good authority that FullyWired probably won't be in charge of deciding who goes through the Pearly Gates :P

Do you think that I'll make through :devil:

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So your saying Christians can make any up version they want and still claim to be Christians and it's multiple choice

fullywired

Not just christians. ANYONE can, and does, do this. The only wrong answer in a multiple choice question on god is. "I refuse to accept his existence".

This is because, for most people, a personal relationship with god requires the acceptance of "his" (or hers or its,) existence. God cannot (usually) connect to such a person because their mind and heart is not "wired" to be able to accept the presence of god, either in a metaphysical or spiritual sense.

And if your heart and mind ae closed to god it is difficult for him/ her/ it, to enter into them, to form a personal relationship with you.

I was like that. Perhaps that is why god chose to come to me in a physical, and thus undeniable form. I am incapable of connectiong to god via belief in him. Llike thomas, i had to see, feel, and touch, to accept.

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See my response to fully wired for my thoughts; but one point, since you referred to me specifically.

Mr Walker. I stand by every last word I posted previously... In general meaning over all in real life and on line any place - Attention seekers sometimes amuse me ..and I get a laugh now and again from listening to them, or even watching them carry on..it can be funny.....But then one can get a bit long in the tooth from attention seekers..Having to read or listen to some really wacky idiotic words and stories, we all know is only for attention..It can get annoying...You se people get fed up with attention seekers and they wil post up - do not feed the trolls .

They post these things because trolls are annoying...they have no life and they have no sense..I'll give you examples below...

Some of them will make up info pretend they are something, act like they are 40 years old living with a wife and kid when really they are only 20 years old and still at home in their mothers basement......

Some will pretend they have taken up so many courses and studies, it will depend on the topic at the time that is raised. I have worked with a guy called Jimmy who did this non stop...he acted the expert on all he was involved in...and poor fella had not got a clue..You name it, he took a course in it or it was one of his hobbies lol .laugh.gif

Some pretend to be so many things at once......And even better if it is all on line.. because on line you can be anything ..

.Post up crazy stories and go out of their way to convince others they are truth...it is all to get attention..... Even go as far as to act as if they have some medical problem that makes them look like some mythical creature...or claim big foot really did come to their party lol ..........In real life it is the same..I have worked with some like that... It is sad too...

About you.. Well you always knew how well I take your stories. I was always honest l .It comes of no surprise to you and you never have had problems with it. in fact you have always accepted it.....I see no point in reading another defending post..

Heck Mr Walker, if you took time off and asked e to fill in for you, I could still make people think you were still around, I would know exactly how to post up a MW post and no one would be none the wiser...lol tongue.gif

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Do you think that I'll make through :devil:

With God, all things are possible.

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With God, all things are possible.

Amen

fullywired

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Explain your reasoning

Alright, I guess I'll try to make it more simple. I've noticed a lot of my atheist friends lately say that "If I'm a good person, I'll go to Heaven regardless of whether or not I believe in God." This indicates a clear mental reservation...showing that they're taking the possibility of an afterlife into account. It's also intellectually dishonest and a little hypocritical. While I won't dispute whether or not they're correct, I will ask them to be a little more firm in their beliefs. Whatever you believe, try to believe it.

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Mr Walker. I stand by every last word I posted previously... In general meaning over all in real life and on line any place - Attention seekers sometimes amuse me ..and I get a laugh now and again from listening to them, or even watching them carry on..it can be funny.....But then one can get a bit long in the tooth from attention seekers..Having to read or listen to some really wacky idiotic words and stories, we all know is only for attention..It can get annoying...You se people get fed up with attention seekers and they wil post up - do not feed the trolls .

They post these things because trolls are annoying...they have no life and they have no sense..I'll give you examples below...

As I said, I dont have any objection to oyur comments. I just replied because you "mentioned" me. Again, I cant be responsible for how you respond to my (or amyone elses) posts ) nor how any one else responds to them.

Youve been on UM long enoguh to know why I came here and why I sty here it has nothing to do with atention seeking (seeing s no one knows who "I" really am how can "I" be seeking attention? I am a person who is very interested in all the areas of UM but especially the spiritual religious and paranormal areas. This is one place where i can converse with others of similar interest. In real life there is perhaps one in a hundred peolple who have any interest at all in these things. I spend less tha 10% of my time oN Um .Much less for example than i spend reading or walking with my wife and dog.

Some of them will make up info pretend they are something, act like they are 40 years old living with a wife and kid when really they are only 20 years old and still at home in their mothers basement......

Some will pretend they have taken up so many courses and studies, it will depend on the topic at the time that is raised. I have worked with a guy called Jimmy who did this non stop...he acted the expert on all he was involved in...and poor fella had not got a clue..You name it, he took a course in it or it was one of his hobbies lol .laugh.gif

I wouldnt know and neither do I care about that. I assume everyone is telling the truth. (although i understnd for many an avatar on a forum IS another form of life. That's because I only tel the truth as I know or understand it and my ethics make me. I take people on trust until they disprove themselves. I do that in real life too and it works for me perhaps, because of the community I live with.

Some pretend to be so many things at once......And even better if it is all on line.. because on line you can be anything ..
Thats true but ive never really Got that idea or need. Even playing role playing games like WOW online my character reflects me and acts as i do with ethics and integrity. I dont pretencd to be 14 or female even if my charater looks like that online.
.Post up crazy stories and go out of their way to convince others they are truth...it is all to get attention..... Even go as far as to act as if they have some medical problem that makes them look like some mythical creature...or claim big foot really did come to their party lol ..........In real life it is the same..I have worked with some like that... It is sad too...
So how do you work out who is telling a plain and simple truth, and who is lying or spinning yarns?
About you.. Well you always knew how well I take your stories. I was always honest l .It comes of no surprise to you and you never have had problems with it. in fact you have always accepted it.....I see no point in reading another defending post..
Thats a fair comment But you must apprecaite that because I am a story teller does not make my stories untrue. Stories can be absolute truth, or absolute fiction, or a blend of both. I write my fanatasies in quite a differnt 'forum"
Heck Mr Walker, if you took time off and asked e to fill in for you, I could still make people think you were still around, I would know exactly how to post up a MW post and no one would be none the wiser...lol tongue.gif

You probably could and I could do a fair imitation of you. I also tell a lot about my real self on line over the years which makes it easier to imitate me with conviction, but I would know it wasn't me :devil:

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Alternative response ..Damn! How did you know about the basement?

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With God, all things are possible.

With God, all things are possible.

or?

With God, all things are possible.

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With God, all things are possible.

or?

With God, all things are possible.

What am I choosing between, exactly?

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What am I choosing between, exactly?

The first suggests that a person, with god, can do anything. The second just suggests that, in the case of god, all things are possible.

eg the same thing could be applied to one's mother. In the first you are saying you could do anything with your mother's help. In the second your mother is capable of doing anything.(A suggestion also of unpredictability and unlimited potentiality)

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Alright, I guess I'll try to make it more simple. I've noticed a lot of my atheist friends lately say that "If I'm a good person, I'll go to Heaven regardless of whether or not I believe in God." This indicates a clear mental reservation...showing that they're taking the possibility of an afterlife into account. It's also intellectually dishonest and a little hypocritical. While I won't dispute whether or not they're correct, I will ask them to be a little more firm in their beliefs. Whatever you believe, try to believe it.

You have taken my post out of context ,I was replying to a MW report that some Archbishop said we all end up in the same place, in Heaven ,I was not expressing any belief in the statement,

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As I said, I dont have any objection to oyur comments. I just replied because you "mentioned" me. Again, I cant be responsible for how you respond to my (or amyone elses) posts ) nor how any one else responds to them.(SNIP)

Mr Walker... read this quote from my previous post...

In general meaning over all in real life and on line any place -

As you can clearly see, the words - In general over all in real life and on line .. Does not in any way say - Mr Walker !!.....Now it seems regardless if I have clearly shown it was not about you personally.. you seem to be a bit too defensive, and there is no call for it... If you do not beleive you fit the description of the people I spoke about various people all over.. then you will not feel the need to defend yourself at all ....If you want to keep talking bout yourself, a nicer plan would be to blog it and it may be more fun and then it can be all about you? Many people do it... it's up to you....... But I am afraid it would be unfair to derail another thread to talk about you again Mr Walker, so I see no further point in dragging this on ... Hope you understand..

So how do you work out who is telling a plain and simple truth, and who is lying or spinning yarns?

Logic...knowledge that fictional monsters like werewolves, zombies, vampires ect are just fictional characters and not real.... I am not under any obligation to suck in stories from everyone and anyone.. I have a mind of my own..I see no point in having a strong mind and not using it to think for myself....

I am not the kind of perosn that IE - A sales man can con...you would not hear me utter the words.......

** An extended warranty? How can I loose whooohoo."

** Time share, that's just brilliant, were its my prize I have the golden key ..* does happy dance* ." .

"* So this pyramid scheme is not like any other pyramid scheme, I can double my money on this.?....I cannot wait to tell my folks, they will be so proud.!!! "..

"*.I have no reason to doubt you young man.....So, you say this new bible, because it is bigger than other bibles, Jesus will guarantee me a good seat in heaven?..and I don't have to do anything else?...... The bigger the bible, the more chance I have to that heavenly place?? .......I am SO lucky........I'll take 10 please ... thanks !! "

*" So I just give you my credit details and you want my ID..pin numbers.etc.. and you will get back to me?...Oh ok then...got a pen handy? "

"* The end is near, and you think I should give you all my savings to warn others and sell my home.. ? ... Ohh I see.. I better call my bank manager then...I hope we have enough time "

I like to think I have more sense than that lol tongue.gif...Sometimes it i safer to be skeptical and I am not joking... !!

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