"The Bohemian Club"

[Flibbertigibbet]

Please read the posts I link to below and then let me know if you still don't understand what the issues surrounding Bohemian Grove are about.

• Reasons To Question Bohemian Grove Members Behavior
  
• The Chris Jones Incident (Infiltrates Bohemian Grove; Arrested Later On Trumped-Up Charges)
  
• Homosexuals And Pedophiles Connected To Bohemian Grove
  
• Paul Bonacci Tells Of Snuff Film Made And Sexual Abuse Of Minors At Bohemian Grove
  
• Reason To Believe Bonacci Has Been In Bohemian Grove - Lends Credibility To His Claims
  

If you see nothing wrong with their drunken activites at the Grove, so be it. If you don't believe the Chris Jones incident, fair enough (although I'd encourage you to look deeper into the story).

On the other hand, if you question the homosexual nature of the place, that pedophiles are amongst their membership, and the claims by Paul Bonacci that he was sexually abused there and that a snuff film was made there however (in which a young boy was the one murdered), then please tell me why.

I invite anyone else who doubts those things to state why as well.

The trouble with these allegations is that they come from conspiracy theorists. Also, why is it bad if they are homosexuals?

[Left-Field]

The trouble with these allegations is that they come from conspiracy theorists. Also, why is it bad if they are homosexuals?

Paul Bonacci is not a conspiracy theorist. He is the victim of sexual child abuse at the hands of pedophiles.

From your statement, it seems like you have not bothered to read any of the posts I made. If you refuse to read them and / or watch the videos I've presented then there is little sense in me discussing this with you because you aren't willing to acknowledge the reasons behind why Bohemian Grove and the Bohemian Club members are scrutinized.

If you don't believe Bonacci is telling the truth, please explain why. Brushing him off as a conpiracy theorist (which again, he is not) doesn't cut it. It only shows that you aren't interested in learning anything about the Grove that doesn't mesh with your current thoughts of the place.

As for homosexuals, I never said there is anything wrong with that. There is a big difference though between men having sex with other men and men having sex with young boys.

That said, the reason the homesexual activities of these people particularly (and I'm not saying they are all homosexuals) becomes an issue is because this then become a means of compromising and blackmailing these inviduals.

Also, Jeff Gannon being a homosexual male escort / prostitute planted in the Bush Jr. White House as a reporter is an established fact. Read the links I provided or look for information on your own if you do not believe this.

Barney Frank having hired a homosexual male prostitute to be his "personal aid" and "housekeeper" is also an established fact, as is the homosexual prostition service this prostitute ran from Frank's home.

This is important to note because it also lends credibility to Bonacci's allegation, which he made under oath in a court of law, that he was sexually abused by Barney Frank in the basement of his home.

[Flibbertigibbet]

Paul Bonacci is not a conspiracy theorist. He is the victim of sexual child abuse at the hands of pedophiles.

From your statement, it seems like you have not bothered to read any of the posts I made. If you refuse to read them and / or watch the videos I've presented then there is little sense in me discussing this with you because you aren't willing to acknowledge the reasons behind why Bohemian Grove and the Bohemian Club members are scrutinized.

If you don't believe Bonacci is telling the truth, please explain why. Brushing him off as a conpiracy theorist (which again, he is not) doesn't cut it. It only shows that you aren't interested in learning anything about the Grove that doesn't mesh with your current thoughts of the place.

As for homosexuals, I never said there is anything wrong with that. There is a big difference though between men having sex with other men and men having sex with young boys.

That said, the reason the homesexual activities of these people particularly (and I'm not saying they are all homosexuals) becomes an issue is because this then become a means of compromising and blackmailing these inviduals.

Also, Jeff Gannon being a homosexual male escort / prostitute planted in the Bush Jr. White House as a reporter is an established fact. Read the links I provided or look for information on your own if you do not believe this.

Barney Frank having hired a homosexual male prostitute to be his "personal aid" and "housekeeper" is also an established fact, as is the homosexual prostition service this prostitute ran from Frank's home.

This is important to note because it also lends credibility to Bonacci's allegation, which he made under oath in a court of law, that he was sexually abused by Barney Frank in the basement of his home.

I'm not able to watch the videos right now so will have to take your word for it. But again, by your statements above, you seem to be connecting homosexuality with paedophilia, or at least using the presence of the former as evidence for the latter.

If a bunch of sad old men, with more money than sense, want to dress up and get drunk, and maybe have sex with other men, we are entitled to find it gross and pathetic, but that's all.

[Left-Field]

I'm not able to watch the videos right now so will have to take your word for it.

If you read what I wrote it will break-down for you pretty much everything that is contained in the videos. I've also provided links that document some of the other information I've presented.

You've asked a question, and upon me answering it, it seems like you don't bother to acknowledge the answers given and the information presented within them.

But again, by your statements above, you seem to be connecting homosexuality with paedophilia, or at least using the presence of the former as evidence for the latter.

No, I am using Paul Bonnaci's account of what he witnessed, and the abuse he endured at Bohemian Grove, as evidence of both pedophilia activity being had there, along with a snuff film having been made there.

As for the homosexuality part, many of these men are closeted homosexuals - quite a few of them are married with families. Many of these men are also members of the government. As a result, their homosexual activities become a means of compromising and blackmailing them.

In the world of politics that becomes a major problem.

If you are willing to actually be educated about what many of these men are and have been involved in, along with the connection to pedophilia, then I encourage you to read this thread.

You have yet to give a single response that disputes any of the information I've presented, or explains why you doubt it - other than incorrectly labeling Paul Bonacci a conspiracy theorist.

If a bunch of sad old men, with more money than sense, want to dress up and get drunk, and maybe have sex with other men, we are entitled to find it gross and pathetic, but that's all.

When these men are our leaders, and work for and represent us, we have plenty of reason to do more than simply "find it gross and pathetic."

And as I've all ready stated, they don't simply have sex with other men. Some of them are having sex with young boys.

Edited May 9, 2012 by Angel Left Wing

[Flibbertigibbet]

If you read what I wrote it will break-down for you pretty much everything that is contained in the videos. I've also provided links that document some of the other information I've presented.

You've asked a question, and upon me answering it, it seems like you don't bother to acknowledge the answers given and the information presented within them.

No, I am using Paul Bonnaci's account of what he witnessed, and the abuse he endured at Bohemian Grove, as evidence of both pedophilia activity being had there, along with a snuff film having been made there.

As for the homosexuality part, many of these men are closeted homosexuals - quite a few of them are married with families. Many of these men are also members of the government. As a result, their homosexual activities become a means of compromising and blackmailing them.

In the world of politics that becomes a major problem.

If you are willing to actually be educated about what many of these men are and have been involved in, along with the connection to pedophilia, then I encourage you to read this thread.

You have yet to give a single response that disputes any of the information I've presented, or explains why you doubt it - other than incorrectly labeling Paul Bonacci a conspiracy theorist.

When these men are our leaders, and work for and represent us, we have plenty of reason to do more than simply "find it gross and pathetic."

And as I've all ready stated, they don't simply have sex with other men. Some of them are having sex with young boys.

They aren't my leaders, and I wouldn't presume to interfere in how America chooses its leaders. Maybe they like them all to be sad old men who can be blackmailed. That must be the case if the conspiracy theorists are right.

[RaptorBites]

Paul Bonacci is not a conspiracy theorist. He is the victim of sexual child abuse at the hands of pedophiles.

From your statement, it seems like you have not bothered to read any of the posts I made. If you refuse to read them and / or watch the videos I've presented then there is little sense in me discussing this with you because you aren't willing to acknowledge the reasons behind why Bohemian Grove and the Bohemian Club members are scrutinized.

If you don't believe Bonacci is telling the truth, please explain why. Brushing him off as a conpiracy theorist (which again, he is not) doesn't cut it. It only shows that you aren't interested in learning anything about the Grove that doesn't mesh with your current thoughts of the place.

As for homosexuals, I never said there is anything wrong with that. There is a big difference though between men having sex with other men and men having sex with young boys.

That said, the reason the homesexual activities of these people particularly (and I'm not saying they are all homosexuals) becomes an issue is because this then become a means of compromising and blackmailing these inviduals.

Also, Jeff Gannon being a homosexual male escort / prostitute planted in the Bush Jr. White House as a reporter is an established fact. Read the links I provided or look for information on your own if you do not believe this.

Barney Frank having hired a homosexual male prostitute to be his "personal aid" and "housekeeper" is also an established fact, as is the homosexual prostition service this prostitute ran from Frank's home.

This is important to note because it also lends credibility to Bonacci's allegation, which he made under oath in a court of law, that he was sexually abused by Barney Frank in the basement of his home.

Awsome, she made a generalized statement and you put words in her mouth. At what point did she claim Paul was a conspiracy theorist?

As far as Bonacci is concerned, he believes he was involved in what's called "Project Monarch" and was a victim of mind control.

Project Monarch does not exsist in any declassified CIA files. So either he is delusional or a damn good liar.

[Left-Field]

They aren't my leaders, and I wouldn't presume to interfere in how America chooses its leaders.

Then why are you bothering with a discussion about Bohemian Grove, which is based in America and concerns what takes place there amongst Americans that work in the government, up to and including Presidents of the United States?

Maybe they like them all to be sad old men who can be blackmailed. That must be the case if the conspiracy theorists are right.

The reason these things are labeled a "conspiracy" to begin with (which, by the way, does not mean something is untrue or even unverified) is because the overwhelming majority of Americans aren't aware of these occurrences to begin with.

If people were more aware of these things then these people wouldn't hold the positions they have.

I don't even know why you bothered asking the question you asked within this thread if you have no interest in acknowledging the answer given, and the information presented within those responses.

[Left-Field]

Awsome, she made a generalized statement and you put words in her mouth. At what point did she claim Paul was a conspiracy theorist?

I did not put words in her mouth. In response to this post she made the following statement:

"The trouble with these allegations is that they come from conspiracy theorists.¹"

Whether you realize it or not, by making that statement in response to the post I've linked to above, she is indirectly calling Paul Bonacci a conspiracy theorist.

As far as Bonacci is concerned, he believes he was involved in what's called "Project Monarch" and was a victim of mind control. Project Monarch does not exsist in any declassified CIA files.

So even though the CIA admits to conducting illegal mind control experiments on unwitting American and Canadian citizens, you believe "Project Monarch" couldn't possibly exist because the CIA hasn't declassified any documents specifically relating to that program?

You do realize the foolishness involved in that belief if it is primarily based on the CIA not having declassified any documents pertaining to "Project Monarch," don't you?

Furthermore, are you aware that "In 1973 CIA Director Richard Helms ordered all MKULTRA files destroyed."

So either he is delusional or a damn good liar.

According to that logic, he would also have to be one hell of an actor given the fact he is clearly overcome with emotion when discussing the sexual abuse he endured, and the murder of a child he witnessed at Bohemian Grove, during his debriefing by Gary Caradori.

The truth is, however, he is none of those things. Those are simply the responses given by people who aren't willing to even acknowledge that the claims of Bonacci - and others like him - could possibly be true, let alone come to a realization that they are true.

It's also worth noting, that in 1999, U.S. District Court Judge Warren Urbom awarded Paul Bonacci $1 million in compensatory and punitive damages against Lawrence E. King in finding Bonacci's testimony regarding sexual abuse by King credible.

Bonacci's testimony has also been "evaluated as credible and well-informed by leading child abuse experts, psychiatrists, psychologists, and polygraph tests."

I would also like to know how you, or anyone else, explain the fact that Paul Bonacci accurately described the surroundings within Bohemian Grove during his 1990 debriefing by Gary Caradori if he had never been within the Grove.

He was 22 at the time of the interview and the internet was not in existence then - which means he couldn't have gathered information about Bohemian Grove by simply sitting in front of a computer.

Edited May 10, 2012 by Angel Left Wing

[ali smack]

They should give Paul Bonacci a lie test to see if he is telling truth or talking fibs.

I don't know if it's false or true,but just because someone says someone did something doesn't mean it's true,or for that matter false.

The problem is without evidence of the snuff film,or names of the men who alledgedly killed the boy and forced him to abuse boy, it's difficult to say if it's true or not!

We can't just take his word for it!

[Left-Field]

They should give Paul Bonacci a lie test to see if he is telling truth or talking fibs. I don't know if it's false or true,but just because someone says someone did something doesn't mean it's true,or for that matter false.

You are correct. Rarely, if ever, should anyone believe or disbelieve something simply because one person has stated it to be true or untrue. In regards to Bonacci's claims about the abuse he witnessed and endured at Bohemian Grove I don't believe any other victims have told of that particular event. There are, however, a number of others who have made allegations which corroborate those of Bonnaci's regarding a child-sex ring run by Lawrence E. King which catered to many of America's elite up to and including President George H.W. Bush.

Nelly Patterson Webb* (whose real name is Eulice Washington) has passed four lie detector tests regarding her claims of abuse against her foster parents (who had close ties to Lawrence E. King), Lawrence E. King, and that she had witnessed then Vice President George H.W. Bush at King's child-sex parties (you can read about her having passed these lie detector tests here).

Focusing back on Bonacci's claims about what took place at Bohemian Grove again, whether you choose to believe him or not you are still left with answering the question of how a then 22-year old man from the Omaha, NE area was able to very accurately describe the area within Bohemian Grove if he had never been there and had no internet access at the time.

During his debriefing with Gary Caradori (in 1990), Paul Bonacci described a setting as to where this abuse occurred (and where the snuff film was made) that leaves no doubt it was Bohemian Grove. Even at the time of the debriefing Bonacci did not know the area to be called Bohemian Grove, but his description of the area allowed others to know exactly of the place he was speaking of.

So again, how did Paul Bonacci know so well the inside landscape of Bohemian Grove if he had never been within the place?

You may also find the following to be relevant:

Dr. Julianne Densen-Gerber, New York-area psychiatrist, lawyer, child abuse expert and member of the International Society of Multiple Personality and Dissociative States. She interviewed Paul Bonacci at the request of the Senate Franklin committee, and testified that "it would be very difficult for Mr. Bonacci to lie." She has cited evidence known to her, corroborating several of Paul's specific recollections.

Dr. Beverly Mead, psychiatric consultant to the Omaha Police Department, examined Bonacci for the OPD and was the first to diagnose his Multiple Personality Disorder. Mead has said many times, that Paul is telling the truth.

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The problem is without evidence of the snuff film, or names of the men who alledgedly killed the boy and forced him to abuse boy, it's difficult to say if it's true or not! We can't just take his word for it!

As mentioned above, there is more than just Bonacci's claims which corroborate the stories of abuse he alleges (read here).

As for names at the Bohemian Grove incident, he does state that Lawrence E. King was there. He also mentions that the man "directing" the snuff film used the name "Hunter Thompson," although there is some dispute as to whether that was his real name and whether or not it was the famed author and journalist, Hunter S. Thompson).

Edited July 12, 2012 by Angel Left Wing

[ali smack]

thanks for the information.

It is very interesting,reading your links.I believe that he was defintley abused,as were other children.

And I agree that if in 1990 where there was no internet access,how did he know about inside bohemian grove unless he did go there.

It's not that ridiculous that highup people could be part of a pedophile ring,it's already been proven that in portugal that there were lawyers,politicians,judges and even a tv presenter that were part of a pedophile ring that abused children as young as 4.

I do however think Hunter Thompson isn't Hunter S.Thompson.

But thanks for the links

[Left-Field]

The Bohemian Club Conspiracy (Skeptoid.com) by Brian Dunning

Pay particular attention to the final couple of paragraphs, especially the one where he talks about the complete lack of security.

Hmm, if the footage below is what is considered a "complete lack of security" I'd hate to see what it's like when Bohemian Grove actually is secured.

This video is taken from this past weekend (July 13, 2012 - July 15, 2012) at Bohemian Grove.

The Bohemian Club had their "Creation of Care" ceromony this weekend, but of course, just like Bilderberg, the mainstream media doesn't bother to cover the event.

Edited July 16, 2012 by Angel Left Wing

[karmakazi]

It should also be noted that world leaders should be well past a point in their lives where they feel a need to "get drunk" and "relive their frat days."

Where were you during the Clinton administration? LOL sorry I couldn't help myself

[Left-Field]

Where were you during the Clinton administration? LOL sorry I couldn't help myself

No worries, lol.

Actually though, the Clinton era covered my teenage years (13-21). I thought he was the "cool" President for most of that time (and not because of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, lol... probably had more to do with the image of him playing the saxophone on The Arsenio Hall Show, lol). But, as I grew up I came to realize he's just as corrupt as most other politicians.

[karmakazi]

No worries, lol.

Actually though, the Clinton era covered my teenage years (13-21). I thought he was the "cool" President for most of that time (and not because of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, lol... probably had more to do with the image of him playing the saxophone on The Arsenio Hall Show, lol). But, as I grew up I came to realize he's just as corrupt as most other politicians.

I just meant that the whole cigar incident kinda sounded like he was recalling college days

I was somewhere around the same age...pretty much everyone I knew thought he was cool, handsome, or something like that. The huge upside to that administration (and the Bush one) is it gave us some of the funniest impressions SNL has ever had.

[Left-Field]

The huge upside to that administration (and the Bush one) is it gave us some of the funniest impressions SNL has ever had.

Very true!

(I actually forgot about the "cigar" part of the story, lol)

[karmakazi]

Very true!

(I actually forgot about the "cigar" part of the story, lol)

I wish I could forget about that part.... or the hideous handbags she went on to make.

[Viviana98]

I watched this whole thing on Brad Meltzer's Decoded about the Bohemian Club and it was definitely a little different in my opinion. Men dressing in drag and swimming naked together. Keep in mind these are the top dogs of the world spending 2 weeks drinking and doing things they would most likely deem "inappropriate" for the rest of society to do.

[Left-Field]

I watched this whole thing on Brad Meltzer's Decoded about the Bohemian Club and it was definitely a little different in my opinion. Men dressing in drag and swimming naked together. Keep in mind these are the top dogs of the world spending 2 weeks drinking and doing things they would most likely deem "inappropriate" for the rest of society to do.

Yes, it is quite odd how influential and powerful men within the American ranks can partake in such behaviour on no less than a yearly basis without it being widely publicized or called into question.

In most neighborhoods throughout the United States a club that held the types of gatherings and activities that take place within Bohemian Grove would be heavily scrutinized.

At Bohemian Grove, however, not only is there little to no scrutiny from the mainstream media outlets, but there are people who acknowledge such bizarre behaviour by elite members of the government, media, entertainment industry, and world of business as if it is totally reasonable and acceptable behaviour.

These same people who defend such behaviour by the elite are often times the same people who would criticize such practices by the "commoners" that make up society.

Keep in mind, the Bohemian Club's membership has included Presidents George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Dwight Eisenhower, Gerald Ford, Herbert Hoover, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, Theodore Roosevelt, and William Taft.

Other members who hold high ranks throughout the United States have included the likes of Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, Henry Ford (of the Ford car company), Louis Boccardi (former President and CEO of the Associated Press), Walter Cronkite, John Du Pont (multimillionaire and member of the prominent Du Pont family), Clint Eastwood, Leanord Firestone (Firestone Tires company), Robert Kennedy, and both David Rockefeller Sr. and Jr.

And keep in mind that they are just some of the prominent inviduals who have been, or currently are members.

The membership alone, along with the club's bizarre rituals and behaviour, should make anyone wonder why these people partake in such a thing.

Edited July 23, 2012 by Angel Left Wing

[Viviana98]

I'm surprised Margaret Thatcher didn't get that whole "absolutly no females allowed under any circumstance" rule thrown out lol where was she at on that one?!

*not that any female would probably even want to go anyways but that would help minimize the crossdressing possibly lol

[lliqerty]

I'm surprised Margaret Thatcher didn't get that whole "absolutly no females allowed under any circumstance" rule thrown out lol where was she at on that one?!

*not that any female would probably even want to go anyways but that would help minimize the crossdressing possibly lol

It's rather funny to imagine her swimming with the guys... lol

Seriously though, I wonder why they would even want to do this. They would be able to have beautiful ladies, why swim with other old guys? Bonding? Does it help consolidate their power? Is this some kind of psychological disorder?

[lliqerty]

You have probably seen it already but anywaym this is Alex Jones with David Gergen

[Enchntress]

Bizarre to say the least.

[Viviana98]

It's rather funny to imagine her swimming with the guys... lol

Seriously though, I wonder why they would even want to do this. They would be able to have beautiful ladies, why swim with other old guys? Bonding? Does it help consolidate their power? Is this some kind of psychological disorder?

All of thee above lol I really couldn't tell you why but I am very curious myself!!

[SolarPlexus]

A group of rich and sick people.