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Eleven Minutes to Understand

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY&feature=g-vrec

Very concise and measured presentation explaining the history of the mid east conflict.

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hmmm...

good luck

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hmmm...

good luck

Thank you, Unit...hope springs eternal... :whistle:

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more bashing islam ..

they should have posted pile of crap on the end of video

why bring religion into a political conflict which can only prove you wrong

weren't israel the ones who choosed to build the nation on the blood and dead bodies of palestinian

claiming it was " given to them by god "

weren't they offered a land somewhere else instead they " choosed " to destroy palestinian homes with famlilies in them

to build the fancy houses on the remanants ?

if there's a religion to blame here ... blame it on israelis and their land that was given to them by god

In polticis .. do you relize how stupid that sound from political pointview ? .. very stupid is the answer

now to point the crap in the video first thing first is the population number

does he mean before or after the massacares israel did and the ethnic cleansing

i agree it's 12 min to understand how greedy and stupid israel is ... nice video

second point is not violate the right of non-jewish people in palestine .. that's exactly why there was ethnic cleansing right ? hehehehe

serioulsy you expect people to believe this crap ?

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In nature, when a species cannot adapt it goes extinct.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ethnic_Cleansing_of_Palestine#An_ethnic_cleansing.3F

i hate to blow this little bubble .. but i have to

In nature, when a species cannot adapt it goes extinct.

nice way to say that if they don't agree on being cleansed from their homes .. they should extinct

that's very human of you !

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http://en.wikipedia....ic_cleansing.3F

i hate to blow this little bubble .. but i have to

nice way to say that if they don't agree on being cleansed from their homes .. they should extinct

that's very human of you !

Yawn. I saw nothing about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Jordan. Why not?

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yawn coz israel left no palestinain to other nation to ethnic cleansing

but hey .. they're just arab animals it's ok they'll just go extinct right ?

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Yawn. I saw nothing about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Jordan. Why not?

Because it doesn't fit his narrative. Note how close the hate is to the surface and how quickly he goes into attack mode over a set of facts that cannot be reasonably disputed. The video wasn't aimed at you KoS. It was placed here for anyone with a little time to get a synopsis of facts that, yes, present the Israeli side primarily. But all are true and THAT's what you have stuck in your throat.

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no it represent the israel goverment side of the story not the primal israeli side

what about the ethnic cleansing ? you didn't say anything about that ? doesn't fit your denial ?

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Because it doesn't fit his narrative. Note how close the hate is to the surface and how quickly he goes into attack mode over a set of facts that cannot be reasonably disputed. The video wasn't aimed at you KoS. It was placed here for anyone with a little time to get a synopsis of facts that, yes, present the Israeli side primarily. But all are true and THAT's what you have stuck in your throat.

And anyone making a similar video, but showing the "set of facts that cannot be reasonably disputed" which favour the Arabs and Palestinians, would be labelled anti-semitic - right, and then?

:rolleyes:

Why even post half the picture, unless it's because you want to distort what everyone sees?

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And anyone making a similar video, but showing the "set of facts that cannot be reasonably disputed" which favour the Arabs and Palestinians, would be labelled anti-semitic - right, and then?

:rolleyes:

Why even post half the picture, unless it's because you want to distort what everyone sees?

I post the Israeli side of the argument because it is rarely given a hearing here. Oh sure, the conflict is discussed/argued ad nauseum but primarily from the side of the poor Arab step children and how they are so shoddily treated by the Israelis. I simply posted one view among many and people are free to accept or dismiss it as they see fit. I just like to occasionally remind anyone here who still has an open mind on the subject that there are indeed TWO sides to the conflict. Think what you will but I doubt you can find evidence to disprove a single fact stated in the video.

Edited to say: For the record I don't attempt to name anti semites. It's just a title. I'm more concerned with the animals who butcher families in their homes to include slashing the throat of an infant. These are they that you seem to feel are so mistreated.

Edited by and then

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yawn coz israel left no palestinain to other nation to ethnic cleansing

but hey .. they're just arab animals it's ok they'll just go extinct right ?

Then I'd suggest that you read up Black September.

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i suggest before you suggest anything when you talk about arabs raven you talk with bit of respect .. we're not animals to go extinct .

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I post the Israeli side of the argument because it is rarely given a hearing here. Oh sure, the conflict is discussed/argued ad nauseum but primarily from the side of the poor Arab step children and how they are so shoddily treated by the Israelis. I simply posted one view among many and people are free to accept or dismiss it as they see fit. I just like to occasionally remind anyone here who still has an open mind on the subject that there are indeed TWO sides to the conflict. Think what you will but I doubt you can find evidence to disprove a single fact stated in the video.

Edited to say: For the record I don't attempt to name anti semites. It's just a title. I'm more concerned with the animals who butcher families in their homes to include slashing the throat of an infant. These are they that you seem to feel are so mistreated.

Where did I say anyone was mistreated?

Where did I condone violence and hatred?

Where did I raise the Arab's or Palestinian's concerns above the concerns of Israeli's?

Nice attempt at a personal smear job, however.

The point I was making is that there will be no reconciliation until both sides are willing to acknowledge their own failings, rather than simply point to the failings of the other. You posting supremely biased "information" does not bring that reconciliation any closer.

As for the "Israeli side not being given a fair hearing here", I think you will find that is a gross misstatement. From my experience on these forums it is simply that Israel is not given a free pass because of a past atrocity. However, the people and nation of Israel are not treated any more harshly in words than those who are in conflict against them. Any who promote violence and atrocity are equally lambasted here, while those promoting peace are equally lauded.

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Where did I say anyone was mistreated?

Where did I condone violence and hatred?

Where did I raise the Arab's or Palestinian's concerns above the concerns of Israeli's?

Nice attempt at a personal smear job, however.

The point I was making is that there will be no reconciliation until both sides are willing to acknowledge their own failings, rather than simply point to the failings of the other. You posting supremely biased "information" does not bring that reconciliation any closer.

As for the "Israeli side not being given a fair hearing here", I think you will find that is a gross misstatement. From my experience on these forums it is simply that Israel is not given a free pass because of a past atrocity. However, the people and nation of Israel are not treated any more harshly in words than those who are in conflict against them. Any who promote violence and atrocity are equally lambasted here, while those promoting peace are equally lauded.

Is this what you believe I am doing? Promoting violence and atrocity? Really? The video says not a word about anything except the history of the situation. It does NOT act as a call to action except for thinking persons to view the whole of the conflict a little more dispassionately. You are a tad overly touchy on this issue Leo. I never intended to smear you or anyone else here over this issue. But I will also never be shouted down from speaking what I believe.

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i suggest before you suggest anything when you talk about arabs raven you talk with bit of respect .. we're not animals to go extinct .

I didn't say they were. You're imposing your sensibilities on what I'm saying just in the same way you do with Bible verses. I said that anything that can’t adapt will die out all on its own. That is the way of evolution. But, as a culture, the Palestinian wasn't meant to survive. Its people will just absorb back into their native tribes or move on. Understand? Black September is just an example of how the Palestinian in the Arab world holds its lowest rung. They are trouble makers in any country they're in. Jordan was the nation that they caused the most problems. This clip is one of the few sources that explains why. Even under the Ottoman Empire they were disrespected. The only reason that the Palestinian is still significant is that it holds a dagger at Israel's heart. So here's a question for you. If Israel was out of the picture, what would prevent the neighbors from reclaiming land? I.e. Jordan grabbing the West Bank and Eilat, Egypt grabbing Gaza and the Negev, Syria taking back the Golan Heights and a bit more and Lebanon grabbing Acre/Haifa over to Galilee. That doesn’t leave the Palestinians much left. What’s left will end up being a slum. The Arab world will be bent on ethnic cleansing the Palestinian from the family.

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I didn't say they were. You're imposing your sensibilities on what I'm saying just in the same way you do with Bible verses. I said that anything that can’t adapt will die out all on its own. That is the way of evolution. But, as a culture, the Palestinian wasn't meant to survive. Its people will just absorb back into their native tribes or move on. Understand? Black September is just an example of how the Palestinian in the Arab world holds its lowest rung. They are trouble makers in any country they're in. Jordan was the nation that they caused the most problems. This clip is one of the few sources that explains why. Even under the Ottoman Empire they were disrespected. The only reason that the Palestinian is still significant is that it holds a dagger at Israel's heart. So here's a question for you. If Israel was out of the picture, what would prevent the neighbors from reclaiming land? I.e. Jordan grabbing the West Bank and Eilat, Egypt grabbing Gaza and the Negev, Syria taking back the Golan Heights and a bit more and Lebanon grabbing Acre/Haifa over to Galilee. That doesn’t leave the Palestinians much left. What’s left will end up being a slum. The Arab world will be bent on ethnic cleansing the Palestinian from the family.

i also suggest you don't mix between two different topics

they have the right to exist as much as you have the right to exist you have problem with that ?

what make you think israel have more right than palastinian to exist .. in palestinian lands ?

and don't star the crap about god's chosen people

in politics there is no such religious nonsense .. there's laws

and israel violated those laws many times under the eyes of the world

and they remained silent .. even worse they give them weapons to kill palestinians

again we're not animals we don't just go extinct

such disgusting line

In nature, when a species cannot adapt it goes extinct.

so yeah have respect when you talk about us .. if you agree to your people go extinct i don't

we will exist by force and over your head if we have to

so yeah expect such lines when you throw insults around

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An amusingly severely slanted video. It's no wonder you think what you do if all watch is this crappola.

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i also suggest you don't mix between two different topics

Mix between what two topics? I thought we are talking about one??

they have the right to exist as much as you have the right to exist you have problem with that ?

Stop putting words in my mouth. Never said they didn’t. Everyone has the right but there are times when that no longer becomes feasible. Fate was not on their side from the beginning. And I’m saying long before they were known as Palestinians during the rein of the Ottomans. These populations were the overflow and outcasts of the Arab world. That’s why very few have legitimate land deeds.

what make you think israel have more right than palastinian to exist .. in palestinian lands ?

and don't star the crap about god's chosen people

in politics there is no such religious nonsense ..

It was Israeli land long before the Palestinians were even called Palestinian. Historically, Israel was removed from their lands. That has nothing to do with religion. And BTW, religion does play a part in politics.

there's laws

Yes there is. Between the Palestinian Mandate being unorganized territory and the Balfour Declaration legally opened the land up for Jewish settlement.

and israel violated those laws many times under the eyes of the world

and they remained silent ..

No more than the Palestinian and their Arab brothers have. This has shown that there can never be a two-state solution. What it is is two peoples in competition for one land. One winner and one loser. Right now, Israel has the upper hand. We as the world can prolong the misery or allow it to finish its course. I think that those Palestinians that can produce proper land deeds should be allowed to stay and become Israeli. If not, then compensate them and let them go their way. The majority need to migrate. They wouldn’t be the first and neither will they be the last. That would be the most compassionate solution.

even worse they give them weapons to kill palestinians

again

Actually, France was the major supplier of weapons when Israel needed to DEFEND themselves. Later the US took over giving not only Israel but also Jordan and Egypt arms for peace. Plus, Israel makes their own arms, they don’t need anyone else, so that claim is getting pretty stale. And Iran giving the Palestinians and Hezbollah weapons to kill Israelis isn’t a concern of yours? Before you go off again, I’m not claiming that Israel hasn’t been brutal. It has been pretty much even and that will never change.

we're not animals we don't just go extinct

such disgusting line

And again, you’re the one saying you are animals. I never made that comparison. Every human has the right to dignity but the hard cold fact is that with 7 billion on this planet, you can’t make every one happy and you shouldn’t try. It’s best to go with the most stable solution. And with the Palestinian gone, there will be better chances to improve peace with Israel’s neighbors and with that will come prosperity for all in the region. Israel, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan could form an economical cartel that could benefit all.

so yeah have respect when you talk about us .. if you agree to your people go extinct i don't

we will exist by force and over your head if we have to

so yeah expect such lines when you throw insults around

I haven’t thrown any insults and I haven’t shown disrespect. But if you can’t handle the hard cold truth, that’s not my concern.

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An amusingly severely slanted video. It's no wonder you think what you do if all watch is this crappola.

Where is it untrue? Damning yes... but where exactly is it untrue?

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Yet more rhetoric from Knight. Really, is this anything new from you? Spouting the same old brainwashed material which history has proven time and time again to be factually incorrect? Know, I know Israel is far from innocent and committed the same share of "atrocities" (for the want of a more accurate word) but Knight, one day you are going to realise that what your leaders have been feeding you is a bunch of unabridled crap.

The video did not make Islam look evil, and your religion takes up enough share of the justification of the land itself. Tell me, Knight. If Israel was so greedy, why did fellow Arab states Egypt and Jordan annex the Gaza Strip and the West Bank into their states and outright refuse to establish a Palestinian state for the refugees that became their citizens (or in Jordan's case, refugees)? If they were so sympathetic to their cause, why did they do this?

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Posted (edited)

ohh michael it's been a long time it's good to see you again

i actually missed your pointview

why would jordan gives palestinian land so israel can steal more of their lands

more and more refuegee and more more israel takes land

and before we know it all .. zip .. all palestine is israel's property .. why on earth should we do that

and hey michael i don't depend on my hippocrate leaders to tell me the truth

actually i have no leaders anymore

but palestinians are arabs therfore my people and i hate to watch such mockery

and for the video are you serious .. didn't you hear the part .. boo boo we want to drink the blood of the jews

actually drinking blood is forbidden in islam :D

but bashing islam .. well as low and degraded act as it is .. it's to be expected

seems like we are getting all the attention in the world lately

must have p***ed alot of people off to earn such hostality against us

but to tell the truth .. their opinons don't mean crap to me

still that doesn't mean i'll stand idle while some one saying speices who don't adopt they'll extinct " meaning arabs "

humans never extincted . and we are human before we are arabs or muslims

so exctinct definison is used on animals and other creatures etc etc .. no human went extinct

by the way mick .. am not sure which one of us is brainwashed

you used to use my gov brainedwashed me excuse i now i think my gov is sick and twisted as """""

i wonder who you think brainwashing me .. must be one of those bugged headphones or microwave helmets

Edited by Knight Of Shadows

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Knight, what do you mean you have no leaders anymore? Have you finally come to your sense and realised what your President really is?

Look, we all know that Egypt and Jordan stole Palestinian land. Tell me, why would they do this? Why would they steal land which isn't theirs?

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Is this what you believe I am doing? Promoting violence and atrocity? Really?

Please re-read my post. You'll find I was not speaking of you, and then, but speaking of how the folk of UM are with respect to those you are supporting and attacking in your OP. You claimed there was an anti-Israel bias on UM, I defended UM from that slur.

The video says not a word about anything except the history of the situation. It does NOT act as a call to action except for thinking persons to view the whole of the conflict a little more dispassionately. You are a tad overly touchy on this issue Leo. I never intended to smear you or anyone else here over this issue. But I will also never be shouted down from speaking what I believe.

The video does not reflect on the entire history of the region and it's modern issues. In that sense it is trying to distort that history with a bias towards the Israeli position. That is my objection. As for it not being a "call to action", it doesn't have to be to misrepresent the situation and promote a continuation of the hostility and violence.

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