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Catholics Bishops Attacking Girl Scouts Org.

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Long a lightning rod for conservative criticism, the Girl Scouts of the USA are now facing their highest-level challenge yet: An official inquiry by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

At issue are concerns about program materials that some Catholics find offensive, as well as assertions that the Scouts associate with other groups espousing stances that conflict with church teaching. The Scouts, who have numerous parish-sponsored troops, deny many of the claims and defend their alliances.

The inquiry coincides with the Scouts’ 100th anniversary celebrations and follows a chain of other controversies.

Earlier this year, legislators in Indiana and Alaska publicly called the Scouts into question, and the organization was berated in a series aired by a Catholic broadcast network. Last year, the Scouts angered some conservatives by accepting into a Colorado troop a 7-year-old transgender child who was born a boy but was being raised as a girl.

Some of the concerns raised by Catholic critics are recycled complaints that have been denied by the Girl Scouts’ head office repeatedly and categorically. It says it has no partnership with Planned Parenthood, and does not take positions on sexuality, birth control and abortion.

“It’s been hard to get the message out there as to what is true when distortions get repeated over and over,’’ said Gladys Padro-Soler, the Girl Scouts’ director of inclusive membership strategies.

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It's fast becoming the case that you know you're doing something right if the catholic church attacks you.

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Yes, yes, let's attack the organisations for children and destroy them so our children are left with nothing but religious organisations for socialising. :tu:

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Everyone in here knows I am a Catholic so I will not bet involved in this other than the one question remaining. Why is a 7 year old child being raised as a Transgender. This is so far out there that, well, why is my only question.

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Everyone in here knows I am a Catholic so I will not bet involved in this other than the one question remaining. Why is a 7 year old child being raised as a Transgender. This is so far out there that, well, why is my only question.

This actually pretty normal in some cultures - some polynesians, for example raise one boy as a girl.

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This actually pretty normal in some cultures - some polynesians, for example raise one boy as a girl.

"Pretty normal" would not have been my answer but alas I guess I am being welcomed to the new world, sign. I liked it better when boys were raised as boys and girls were raised as girls. Thats just me. Carry on.

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"Pretty normal" would not have been my answer but alas I guess I am being welcomed to the new world, sign. I liked it better when boys were raised as boys and girls were raised as girls. Thats just me. Carry on.

I quite agree, I think it's pretty weird. But it has nothing to do with the 'new world'. As I say it's a cultural tradition - and not a very rare sight in Auckland. However, I'm not making any assumptions here, and the example from the link probably has nothing to do with this.

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I quite agree, I think it's pretty weird. But it has nothing to do with the 'new world'. As I say it's a cultural tradition - and not a very rare sight in Auckland. However, I'm not making any assumptions here, and the example from the link probably has nothing to do with this.

Fair enough. Have a good day.

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"Pretty normal" would not have been my answer but alas I guess I am being welcomed to the new world, sign. I liked it better when boys were raised as boys and girls were raised as girls. Thats just me. Carry on.

There can be a good balance between the two. I've always been very feminine, but was taught how to work on cars, plumbing, carpentry and a plethora of other things considered " man's work". I've never been afraid to get my hands dirty and I can work circles around a lot of men that we've hired in our welding business.

My husband's Mother taught him how to wash clothes, cook and sew, etc... He washes all of our clothes including my delicates. Actually he can sew better than I can. Rosie Greer does needlepoint and even wrote a book on it.

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There can be a good balance between the two. I've always been very feminine, but was taught how to work on cars, plumbing, carpentry and a plethora of other things considered " man's work". I've never been afraid to get my hands dirty and I can work circles around a lot of men that we've hired in our welding business.

My husband's Mother taught him how to wash clothes, cook and sew, etc... He washes all of our clothes including my delicates. Actually he can sew better than I can. Rosie Greer does needlepoint and even wrote a book on it.

Oh I agree. I learned to cook when I was a lad and work on farm equipment to. I love girls whom are not afraid to get there hands dirty. I don't think you got my point. They are raising this child as a girl in all aspects evidently. Why not raise the child and let him feel out who he wants to be on his own is my question. Plus, seven years old. Come on. I know you are way left and I am way right but this is a little out there. My opinion though. Carry on.

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Oh I agree. I learned to cook when I was a lad and work on farm equipment to. I love girls whom are not afraid to get there hands dirty. I don't think you got my point. They are raising this child as a girl in all aspects evidently. Why not raise the child and let him feel out who he wants to be on his own is my question. Plus, seven years old. Come on. I know you are way left and I am way right but this is a little out there. My opinion though. Carry on.

From what I've read in other articles, I think they are and he has made his choice. :yes:

I'm way left? :w00t: I've been called a lot of things, but not way left. ;)

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From what I've read in other articles, I think they are and he has made his choice. :yes:

I'm way left? :w00t: I've been called a lot of things, but not way left. ;)

How can a seven year old child make a decision like this. I am not buying it. I think he was nudged. Sorry about the left statement. I thought you were. My mistake.

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I read transgender as a way to define a minor born with both male and female chromosomes, possibly even both genetalia. If that's the case then how would some of YOU, as a parent in those shoes, choose your childs gender as they grow and socialize?

As for the RCC, anything they can do these days to take the attention off them as a dying religion filled with odd creepy men.

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I read transgender as a way to define a minor born with both male and female chromosomes, possibly even both genetalia. If that's the case then how would some of YOU, as a parent in those shoes, choose your childs gender as they grow and socialize?

As for the RCC, anything they can do these days to take the attention off them as a dying religion filled with odd creepy men.

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How can a seven year old child make a decision like this. I am not buying it. I think he was nudged. Sorry about the left statement. I thought you were. My mistake.

Growing up, I lived across the street from a guy that, from the time he could walk, played with my sister and I. We took ballet classes and had new costumes for recitals every year. After the recitals were over we could play in them to our hearts content. He liked nothing better than to get dressed up in our tutus and prance around in them. His parents and older brother (a star football player) were mortified,, but gradually accepted him for who he was.

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Growing up, I lived across the street from a guy that, from the time he could walk, played with my sister and I. We took ballet classes and had new costumes for recitals every year. After the recitals were over we could play in them to our hearts content. He liked nothing better than to get dressed up in our tutus and prance around in them. His parents and older brother (a star football player) were mortified,, but gradually accepted him for who he was.

I know a family whose girls were both "born gay". They had congenital adrenal hyperplasia and both are now fully grown, happily involved and productive citizens. Their son is bi-sexual, who also "slips" into acting like a female when he gets worked up, always has., The fathers aunt is gay, and I strongly suspect the father himself would have been gay too had he not grown up with super strict parents in a small 1960's Kansas town.

I'm not saying all people who choose same sex partners were thinking along those lines as a child becoming an adult, but many many are. If there's anyone to blame it's a god.

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So here's a definition of transgender: "A transgender person is someone whose personal idea of gender does not correlate with his or her assigned gender role." It used to be that when babies were born with ambiguous genitalia, the doctor arbitrarily assigned them a gender, and they were stuck with that role, whether it suited them or not. As I understand from my reading about this issue, even very young children often have a very clear idea of their gender, even when it doesn't correlate with the role they've been assigned. What a blessing that society, at least parts of it, accepts people for who they feel themselves to be.

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I'm pretty libral but 7.,,. Ehhhhh? I'm bugged by that as well.

As for Catholics being bugged about what girls scouts do pffffft!!

I'd pat them on the head and say " that's nice dear."

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and this coming from an organization that turns a blind eye to child molestation... poppycock! good day sir!

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LOL

After I reread the post I suspected it was just a tad over the top. Might be the largest straw man army I've ever built. Well, that and the those serial killers in the back yard, black squirrels.

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So why does the Catholic Church (a religious organisation) get to have any say in what the Scouts (a secular organisation) choose to have in their programs? I don't get it.

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So why does the Catholic Church (a religious organisation) get to have any say in what the Scouts (a secular organisation) choose to have in their programs? I don't get it.

wondered that too. Both the Boy and Girl Scouts seem to have some link considering they prohibit atheists and agnostics from belonging.

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So why does the Catholic Church (a religious organisation) get to have any say in what the Scouts (a secular organisation) choose to have in their programs? I don't get it.

From the OP,

USA

America fancies itself one those new-fangled "free societies." They let everybody, even Papists, have their say on any subject at all.

Then, too, also from the OP,

The Scouts, who have numerous parish-sponsored troops,

In the USA, if somebody wants to use somebody else's real estate to hold meetings, then they may have to answer the landlord's questions about the purposes of their meetings.

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In the USA, if somebody wants to use somebody else's real estate to hold meetings, then they may have to answer the landlord's questions about the purposes of their meetings.

Not at all. At least unless something that was Specifically spelled out in the original agreement is violated. We have a law in our real estate law that gurantees the peaceful use of leased property. In fact a lease is consider a real interest in that property. Now if this is a donation arrangement well those laws do not apply.

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Not at all. At least unless something that was Specifically spelled out in the original agreement is violated. We have a law in our real estate law that gurantees the peaceful use of leased property. In fact a lease is consider a real interest in that property. Now if this is a donation arrangement well those laws do not apply.

In the United States, where the action in the OP is set, leases are for finite terms. Typically, actual lease terms are much shorter (say, one year, or even tenancy at will) than they could be, but they must be for a definite term. Thus, all leases in the United States will expire, without exception, at which point, the exisitng relationship between the parties ceases.

It is perfectly reasonable for a landlord to invesitgate now whether it wishes to renew the lease when the lease expires at whatever furture date, knowing that the lease will expire at some future date, which it will.

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