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Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

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I would be interested to see that map. Can you copy it to this thread ? Let me explain further± The Frisians and the Geertmanna lived side/a/side in the Punjab, their fleets fought side/a/side under Demetrius, they returned side/a/side to the Aldland and settled side/a/side in the present territory.If I remember well the Geertmanna went to school on Texel.

They returned to their ancestral land, yes, but now you are forcing in a confusing extra.

It appears you want Aldlland to be in Frisian territory, while the OLB clearly states it was FAR AWAY from Frisian/Fryan territory.

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But it's possible;

St Ludger's parents, Thiadgrim and Liafburg, were wealthy Christian Frisians of noble descent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludger

It's not a German name persé, it's a Germanic name, meaning "People's Spear", or "Spear of the People".

And Frisian is a Germanic language.

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liod-gard-a 6, afries., sw. M. (n): nhd. Familiengut; ne. family property; ÜG.: lat.

terminus L 4, L 6; Hw.: vgl. ae. léodgeard; Q.: R, H, W, E, B, L 4, L 6; E.: s.

liæd, gard-a; L.: Hh 66b, Hh 165, Rh 904a

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=184645&st=6615#entry4085976

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Says Krodo is not a Germanic word, maybe it's not - although there is a Cronus form, which might be closer to a root word. Krodo could be some form of krono/krona = corona/round

What appears at the top is the signs of the Juul—that is, the first symbol of Wr-alda, also of the origin or beginning from which Time is derived; this is the Kroder, which must always go round with the Juul.

Krodo - Krona? (Kronos/time) - crown is from corona, the round halo of the sun and also a well known constellation, in myth particularly as a crown, Ariadne's crown. Chronus/Cronus is a King God, he wears a crown.

kræ-n-e

6, afries., st. F. (æ): nhd. Krone; ne. crown (N.); Hw.: vgl. an. koræna, lat.-

ae. coræna, anfrk. korona?, ahd. koræna*; Q.: H, W, R; I.: Lw. lat. coræna; E.: s.

lat. coræna, F., Krone; vgl. idg. *sker- (3), *ker- (10), V., drehen, biegen, Pokorny

935; W.: nfries. kroane; L.: Hh 61a, Rh 879b

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So far we haven´t bothered much about the writers of the OLB. I found that the writers Frethorik (Friedrich), Konrad (Konrad) and Liudger (Lotharius) took their names from the last three German emperors before 1256 (Hidde). By accident ?

No accident if you ask me.

Couple of posts about Conrad:

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=184645&st=6510#entry4080550

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=184645&st=6540#entry4082625

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Says Krodo is not a Germanic word, maybe it's not - although there is a Cronus form, which might be closer to a root word. Krodo could be some form of krono/krona = corona/round

What appears at the top is the signs of the Juul—that is, the first symbol of Wr-alda, also of the origin or beginning from which Time is derived; this is the Kroder, which must always go round with the Juul.

Krodo - Krona? (Kronos/time) - crown is from corona, the round halo of the sun and also a well known constellation, in myth particularly as a crown, Ariadne's crown. Chronus/Cronus is a King God, he wears a crown.

kræ-n-e

6, afries., st. F. (æ): nhd. Krone; ne. crown (N.); Hw.: vgl. an. koræna, lat.-

ae. coræna, anfrk. korona?, ahd. koræna*; Q.: H, W, R; I.: Lw. lat. coræna; E.: s.

lat. coræna, F., Krone; vgl. idg. *sker- (3), *ker- (10), V., drehen, biegen, Pokorny

935; W.: nfries. kroane; L.: Hh 61a, Rh 879b

crown (n.)

early 12c., "royal crown," from Anglo-French coroune, Old French corone (13c., Modern French couronne), from Latin corona "crown," originally "wreath, garland," related to Greek korone "anything curved, kind of crown." Old English used corona, directly from Latin.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=crown&searchmode=none

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This is not about the OLB, but about KRODO.

KRODO, a god standing on a fish with in one hand a bucket with flowers, in the other a wheel. A symbol of Time

KHIDR, a saint standing on a fish, a 6-spoked wheel as his seal, depicted as cloaked in green and in front of green trees and bushes.

Amongst many other things, he also stands for eternity, he's the "Eternal Wanderer", just like Wodan/Odin.

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crown (n.)

early 12c., "royal crown," from Anglo-French coroune, Old French corone (13c., Modern French couronne), from Latin corona "crown," originally "wreath, garland," related to Greek korone "anything curved, kind of crown." Old English used corona, directly from Latin.

http://www.etymonlin...searchmode=none

You think I don't know that? Makes no difference, to me.

I'm tired, I'll leave tonight with one of my favourite paintings...

663px-Titian_Bacchus_and_Ariadne.jpg

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You think I don't know that? Makes no difference, to me.

I'm tired, I'll leave tonight with one of my favourite paintings...

I didn't say you didn't know, I just added.

And KRODO is often also depicted wearing such a garland, or piece of cloth, as in your painting.

Sleep well.

,

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I didn't say you didn't know, I just added.

And KRODO is often also depicted wearing such a garland, or piece of cloth, as in your painting.

Sleep well.

,

Sorry Abe, I'm tired and grumbly, I didn't mean to be rude, which it came across as. Thankyou, goodnight all.

PS: Notice Bacchus standing on the wheel too? Hmm

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Well I like the two leopards. They look like they wonder what they are doing there.

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Sorry Abe, I'm tired and grumbly, I didn't mean to be rude, which it came across as. Thankyou, goodnight all.

PS: Notice Bacchus standing on the wheel too? Hmm

Maybe Titian was inspired by the statue (or medieval drawing) of Krodo?

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A bit more about this KRODO (for those who lost it, it is connected with the OLB "KRODER" - wheelbarrow - , with the 6-spoked Yule wheel and time).

What's interesting is that no one has a real idea where the word KRODO came from, which happens to be the case for the Dutch word "kruid" (herb) or the German word "kraut"....

Krodo carries a basket or something filled with herbs (they say flowers, but I can't see that in the drawings).

He stands for renewal (spring?), rebirth, time, cycle, the road of life?

What did they say about Khidr? "As the eternally youthful keeper of the wellspring he rejuvenated people and animals and plants ... and covered the earth in springtime with fresh greenness "

But what's that fish doing under Krodo's feet....? A possible answer comes from the interpretation of Khidr's symbology, Khidr who is also standing on a fish:

In western Asia, Moslem or Hindu symbolic art shows the Saint, Al Khizr, dressed in a green coat being carried on top of the water by a fish which conveys him over the river of life.

http://wtchdktr.live...al.com/325.html

http://kataragama.org/islamic.htm

Here Khidr is seen standing on a fish (Jesus) crossing the river of life.

http://www.thelostword.dk/index3.htm

From a German site I linked to loooong ago:

Fisch

Das Element Wasser, Nahrung und die späteren christlichen Werte unserer Gesellschaft

fish

The element of water, food and the later Christian values ​​of our society

http://www.woick-wandern.de/crodo/crodo_plan.htm

Now about that "kruid" or "Kraut":

J. de Vries (1971), Nederlands Etymologisch Woordenboek

krodde 2 znw. v. naam voor ‘herik, sinapis arvensis’ (Gron. Friesl. oostel. Nl., West-Friesland, Zuid-Holland), ook voor perzikkruid, polygonum persicaria (Groningen, Oost-Drente, West-Friesland). Gaat men uit van een grondvorm *krŭðjō, dan kan men het woord verbinden met *krūða, waarvoor zie: kruid.

J. de Vries (1971), Dutch Etymological Dictionary

krodde 2 noun. (female). name for 'wild mustard, Sinapis arvensis' (Groningen Friesland. eastern NL., Westfriesland, South Holland), also for redshank, polygonum persicaria (Groningen, eastern Drenthe, Westfriesland). Assuming a basic form * krŭðjō, one can connect the word with * krūða, see: kruid

http://www.etymologi...efwoord/krodde2

J. de Vries (1971), Nederlands Etymologisch Woordenboek

kruid znw. o., mnl. cruut o. ‘kruid, gewas, eetbare plant, specerij, geneeskrachtige plant’, os. krūd ‘onkruid’, ohd. chrūt (nhd. kraut) ‘klein bladgewas, groente, kool’, laat-ofri. krūd. — Het is bedenkelijk voor een woord, dat op een zo beperkt gebied voorkomt, aanknopingen in het idg. te zoeken (...)

In een geval als dit kan men herkomst uit een substraattaal overwegen

J. de Vries (1971), Dutch Etymological Dictionary

kruid noun. (neuter, male). cruut (neuter) 'herb, plant, edible plants, spices, medicinal plants, Old Saxon krūd' weeds', Old High German chrūt (New High German kraut) 'small leaf crop, vegetable, cabbage', late Old Frisian krūd. - It is questionable to look for connections in Indo-germanic for a word that occurs in such a limited area (...)

In a case like this one can consider a substrate language as an origin

http://www.etymologi...trefwoord/kruid

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Krodo as a young man:

co-132579695-4fb.jpg

Krodo as an old man with a beard:

02_0671a.jpg

Khiḍr is believed to be a man who has the appearance of a young adult but with a long, white beard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr

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EDIT:

Krodo is said to carry a basket with red roses, although only one drawing shows him like that:

20258_29332_Krodo.jpg

Korb mit roten Rosen

das Sinnbild für Fruchtbarkeit, die Natur und die schützenswerte Umwelt

Basket with red roses

the symbol of fertility, nature and the environment worth protecting

http://www.woick-wan.../crodo_plan.htm

Then we have Khidr, and watch the red rose :

Khidr.jpg

And that is not just 'a' rose, the rose is a very important symbol in Sufism.

Sufis - Idries Shah

http://books.google....ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA

(I have 28 books about Sufism, including this one.)

.

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A_Perfumed_Scorpion.jpg

Another book by Idries Shah. Notice the rose on the cover.

Sorry for going off-topic. I am done with Khidr-Krodo.

I will leave you with this, from Idries Shah's "Sufis":

Shah-Rose_zps8d222928.jpg

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I didn't say you didn't know, I just added.

And KRODO is often also depicted wearing such a garland, or piece of cloth, as in your painting.

Sleep well.

,

And a weird star formation in the sky .

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Krodo as a young man:

co-132579695-4fb.jpg

Krodo as an old man with a beard:

02_0671a.jpg

Khiḍr is believed to be a man who has the appearance of a young adult but with a long, white beard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khidr

++++

EDIT:

Krodo is said to carry a basket with red roses, although only one drawing shows him like that:

20258_29332_Krodo.jpg

Korb mit roten Rosen

das Sinnbild für Fruchtbarkeit, die Natur und die schützenswerte Umwelt

Basket with red roses

the symbol of fertility, nature and the environment worth protecting

http://www.woick-wan.../crodo_plan.htm

Then we have Khidr, and watch the red rose :

Khidr.jpg

And that is not just 'a' rose, the rose is a very important symbol in Sufism.

Sufis - Idries Shah

http://books.google....ved=0CDMQ6AEwAA

(I have 28 books about Sufism, including this one.)

.

He has a halo around his head so presumably he is considered a God , ......why are gods/goddesses frequently shown as standing on the backs of an animal ......eg mesopotamian gods , ishtar , etc ,mostly shown standing on lions or griffins, even if they are seated , they often still have their feet on animals ............. as if they are too royal to stand on common earth like humans , ??

your recent post of guenevere on may day , said that she and all those who accompanied her were all dressed in green.

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They returned to their ancestral land, yes, but now you are forcing in a confusing extra.

It appears you want Aldlland to be in Frisian territory, while the OLB clearly states it was FAR AWAY from Frisian/Fryan territory.

I tried to point out, that one should not confuse the Frisian Aldland (ancestral land) and the Aldland of the Finda people, which one may regard as the biblical flood itself. By counting the years since Aldland has been sunken the OLB links the Frisian flood to the biblical flood, which becomes obvious by using the same year 2193 v.Chr. from the Frisian calendar.

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He has a halo around his head so presumably he is considered a God , ......why are gods/goddesses frequently shown as standing on the backs of an animal ......eg mesopotamian gods , ishtar , etc ,mostly shown standing on lions or griffins, even if they are seated , they often still have their feet on animals ............. as if they are too royal to stand on common earth like humans , ??

your recent post of guenevere on may day , said that she and all those who accompanied her were all dressed in green.

I never posted about Guinevere, lol. Or did I? Show me a link, please.

Guys with halos around their heads are not 'gods', but saints, socalled 'holy people'.

And I do remember having explained why Krodo and Khidr were standing on the back of a fish.

Stop smoking pot.

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I tried to point out, that one should not confuse the Frisian Aldland (ancestral land) and the Aldland of the Finda people, which one may regard as the biblical flood itself. By counting the years since Aldland has been sunken the OLB links the Frisian flood to the biblical flood, which becomes obvious by using the same year 2193 v.Chr. from the Frisian calendar.

I am glad you explained that now, for you never did before.

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Thanks! just read Lancelot wedded Guinevere in May...

http://en.wikipedia....lls_of_the_King

John_Collier_Queen_Guinevre%27s_Maying.jpg

For thus it chanced one morn when all the court,

Green-suited, but with plumes that mocked the may,

Had been, their wont, a-maying and returned,

That Modred still in green, all ear and eye,

Climbed to the high top of the garden-wall

To spy some secret scandal if he might,

Idylls of the King : Guinevere, Alfred Lord Tennyson 1859

Notenkraker10.jpg

And that is perhaps the reason for the word Holiday, a (w)holy day for conception? According to IB's logic within the rot sound system, when you put P (pole) into one ring O, you get Q, which stands for Quadrat, the symbol for mathematics, thus the order O, P, Q... in the Alphabet.

400px-Maibaum_Ostfriesland967.jpg

Regards,

Mario Dantas

Ah sorry , it looks like it was M Danzas post not your Abe , said all the court had to wear green . just spring though .

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A bit more about this KRODO (for those who lost it, it is connected with the OLB "KRODER" - wheelbarrow - , with the 6-spoked Yule wheel and time).

What's interesting is that no one has a real idea where the word KRODO came from, which happens to be the case for the Dutch word "kruid" (herb) or the German word "kraut"....

Krodo carries a basket or something filled with herbs (they say flowers, but I can't see that in the drawings).

He stands for renewal (spring?), rebirth, time, cycle, the road of life?

What did they say about Khidr? "As the eternally youthful keeper of the wellspring he rejuvenated people and animals and plants ... and covered the earth in springtime with fresh greenness "

But what's that fish doing under Krodo's feet....? A possible answer comes from the interpretation of Khidr's symbology, Khidr who is also standing on a fish:

In western Asia, Moslem or Hindu symbolic art shows the Saint, Al Khizr, dressed in a green coat being carried on top of the water by a fish which conveys him over the river of life.

http://wtchdktr.live...al.com/325.html

http://kataragama.org/islamic.htm

Here Khidr is seen standing on a fish (Jesus) crossing the river of life.

http://www.thelostword.dk/index3.htm

From a German site I linked to loooong ago:

Fisch

Das Element Wasser, Nahrung und die späteren christlichen Werte unserer Gesellschaft

fish

The element of water, food and the later Christian values ​​of our society

http://www.woick-wan.../crodo_plan.htm

Now about that "kruid" or "Kraut":

J. de Vries (1971), Nederlands Etymologisch Woordenboek

krodde 2 znw. v. naam voor ‘herik, sinapis arvensis’ (Gron. Friesl. oostel. Nl., West-Friesland, Zuid-Holland), ook voor perzikkruid, polygonum persicaria (Groningen, Oost-Drente, West-Friesland). Gaat men uit van een grondvorm *krŭðjō, dan kan men het woord verbinden met *krūða, waarvoor zie: kruid.

J. de Vries (1971), Dutch Etymological Dictionary

krodde 2 noun. (female). name for 'wild mustard, Sinapis arvensis' (Groningen Friesland. eastern NL., Westfriesland, South Holland), also for redshank, polygonum persicaria (Groningen, eastern Drenthe, Westfriesland). Assuming a basic form * krŭðjō, one can connect the word with * krūða, see: kruid

http://www.etymologi...efwoord/krodde2

J. de Vries (1971), Nederlands Etymologisch Woordenboek

kruid znw. o., mnl. cruut o. ‘kruid, gewas, eetbare plant, specerij, geneeskrachtige plant’, os. krūd ‘onkruid’, ohd. chrūt (nhd. kraut) ‘klein bladgewas, groente, kool’, laat-ofri. krūd. — Het is bedenkelijk voor een woord, dat op een zo beperkt gebied voorkomt, aanknopingen in het idg. te zoeken (...)

In een geval als dit kan men herkomst uit een substraattaal overwegen

J. de Vries (1971), Dutch Etymological Dictionary

kruid noun. (neuter, male). cruut (neuter) 'herb, plant, edible plants, spices, medicinal plants, Old Saxon krūd' weeds', Old High German chrūt (New High German kraut) 'small leaf crop, vegetable, cabbage', late Old Frisian krūd. - It is questionable to look for connections in Indo-germanic for a word that occurs in such a limited area (...)

In a case like this one can consider a substrate language as an origin

http://www.etymologi...trefwoord/kruid

.

As I was logging off everything last night I actually did spot krud in the Frisian Dictionary but thought I'd keep it for today. It has herb, gunpowder, interesting difference of things - anyway, herb - yes I thought of the flowers in his hand and immediately thought there's his fertility symbol and the ' herb' is probably the meaning of his name, indicating a true fertility God, linked with the wheel of the year, time, seasons.

krð-d

1, afries., st. N. (a): nhd. Kraut, Schießpulver; ne. herb, gunpowder; Vw.: s.

bus-s-a-; Hw.: vgl. as. krðd*, ahd. krðt; E.: germ. *krðda-, *krðdam, st. N. (a),

Kraut; s. idg. *gÝeru-, Sb., Stange, Spieß (M.) (1), Pokorny 479; W.: saterl. kruwd;

W.: nnordfries. krüd; L.: Hh 61a, Hh 165, Rh 879b

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When I was looking at paintings I recalled I was intrigued by Poussins works, so had a quick look and found this one, Numa Pompilius and Egeria the nymph. I am convinced that Egeria was a probable Fryan in Krekaland and her sacred books were the laws the vestal Virgins held sacred. Even in paintings they don't shy away from her non-Mediterranean looks...

789px-Numa_Pompilius_et_la_nymphe_Eg%C3%A9rie_-_Poussin_-_mus%C3%A9e_Cond%C3%A9.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nicolas_Poussin_paintings (Excellent viewing)

I'll repeat it again in case anyone missed it:

In this myth she is shown as counselor and guide to King Numa in the establishment of the original framework of laws and rituals of Rome, and in this role she is somehow uniquely in Roman mythology associated with "sacred books"; Numa (Latin "numen" designates "the expressed will of a deity"[4]) is reputed to have written down the teachings of Egeria in "sacred books" that he made bury with him; when some chance accident brought them back to light some 400 years later, they were deemed by the Senate inappropriate for disclosure to the people and destroyed by their order;[5] what made them inappropriate was certainly of "political" nature but apparently has not been handed down by Valerius Antias, the source that Plutarch was using.Dionysius of Halicarnassus hints that they were actually kept as a very close secret by the Pontifices

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egeria_(mythology)

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And a weird star formation in the sky .

Yes, thats the constellation Corona, that becomes Ariadne's crown, a gift from Bacchus/Dionysus. The very circular wheel shape is the point I'm making indeed.

The figure of Oannes may have had an association with Krodo, as a bringer of civilisation, as such, teaching wisdom and the arts.

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Krodo is holding a wheel. The one who holds a wheel is Aion.

280px-Aion_mosaic_Glyptothek_Munich_W504_full.jpg

Martianus Capella (5th century AD) identified Aion with Cronus (Latin Saturnus), whose name caused him to be theologically conflated with Chronus ("Time"), in the way that the Greek ruler of the underworld Plouton (Pluto) was conflated with Ploutos (Plutus, "Wealth"). Martianus presents Cronus-Aion as the consort of Rhea (Latin Ops) as identified with Physis.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Aion_(deity)

All these concepts are mixed up in different Gods, names mix and change, concepts mix and change - but I do think Krodo holds some very old iconology that has got lost within his new persona. A bit like Santa. The OLB mentions no Krodo, only the Kroder.

kroder as wheelbarrow I can't find much on but Abe showed it I think or at least says it means it, where do you find this reference Abe?

If it's connected to Green, May, fertility, it could be seasonal reference in the term herb, cabbage, greenery, spring cults, the ones the non-pagans REALLY didn't like.

The 3 Jul wheels make up the Kroder, what is it then?

seasons, wheel, herb, circle of time? What could that word be translated to in that sentence if not kroder, anyone?

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