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i hardly think doubting that any hypothetical Alien race would need to look out of windows in order to navigate is jumping headlong into an Alice in Wonderland fantasy world. What's so implausible about that?

I interpreted his accusation in more general terms than in relating to one specific scenario.

I've already stated earlier today that I felt ETV's would have no need of illumination to navigate or study our terrain since they would have to be damn good at navigation to get here in the first place.

Also, I didn't mean to imply they would "need" to see out. They way the concept is presented it seems the interpretation by some is that these are the "pilots" of the vehicle which would imply they are flying like our conventional craft.

I suppose I can accept that the fact they are visible is due to the structure of the craft...that is we are not seeing windows, but for some reason the craft is see-through where they are located.

All this requires that I consider this case to be a possible ETH, but unfortunately I still see absolutely nothing about it that warrants the ETH.

I am highly skeptical of this case.

Nothing personal guys, and really I'm looking for what you seem to have found.

You got me half-way thinking that I have gone down the wrong rabbit hole...that is, am I wrong?

Convince me otherwise.

Honestly, that would make my day :yes:

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Further the most captivating image of the craft looks nothing like the elevation of it in your inset:

You have hoaxed the image in the inset; or someone has.

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And just in case you're saying that the general shape of the "object" in your screen capture is much 'shorter in height' compared to the shape of the "object" in the animated GIF, that's because they aren't the same object.

Have you fully reviewed all of the Turkey footage? Having done so, have you not noticed the disparity between the objects captured? Your screen capture is from 2008. The animated GIF is a capture from the 2009 video. Specifically the portion labeled 3:57 AM, May 13, 2009, starting around the 1:35 mark and continuing up until about the 2:33 mark. In fact, if you actually looked closely at the GIF you should clearly see that it was taken from a point where the time indicated is 3:58 AM, which is between the 2:14 and 2:33 marks.

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I interpreted his accusation in more general terms than in relating to one specific scenario.

I've already stated earlier today that I felt ETV's would have no need of illumination to navigate or study our terrain since they would have to be damn good at navigation to get here in the first place.

Also, I didn't mean to imply they would "need" to see out. They way the concept is presented it seems the interpretation by some is that these are the "pilots" of the vehicle which would imply they are flying like our conventional craft.

I suppose I can accept that the fact they are visible is due to the structure of the craft...that is we are not seeing windows, but for some reason the craft is see-through where they are located.

All this requires that I consider this case to be a possible ETH, but unfortunately I still see absolutely nothing about it that warrants the ETH.

I am highly skeptical of this case.

Nothing personal guys, and really I'm looking for what you seem to have found.

You got me half-way thinking that I have gone down the wrong rabbit hole...that is, am I wrong?

Convince me otherwise.

Honestly, that would make my day :yes:

Oh, i'm not necessarily trying to argue that this is the smoking gnu, and yes, I was talking more generically about the question of lights than this one, the "windows" do seem rather like one of those imaginative details that are added later. Having said that, I'm still not absolutetly convinced that it is conclusively a Ship or boat, but we shall just have to live with that, shan't we.

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Stealth?

Well if they are after stealth, they should note that we are a helluva lot better at it. Maybe that's why they might be here...to learn from us. Our stealth technology does a better job of consealing the heat from propulsion than they're doing!

I very much doubt that our technology is better than theirs. With the moon being our greatest space achievement?

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And just in case you're saying that the general shape of the "object" in your screen capture is much 'shorter in height' compared to the shape of the "object" in the animated GIF, that's because they aren't the same object.

Have you fully reviewed all of the Turkey footage? Having done so, have you not noticed the disparity between the objects captured? Your screen capture is from 2008. The animated GIF is a capture from the 2009 video. Specifically the portion labeled 3:57 AM, May 13, 2009, starting around the 1:35 mark and continuing up until about the 2:33 mark. In fact, if you actually looked closely at the GIF you should clearly see that it was taken from a point where the time indicated is 3:58 AM, which is between the 2:14 and 2:33 marks.

The underside of your image still looks false; I will check it out tomorrow.

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The underside of your image still looks false; I will check it out tomorrow.

What looks "false" about it? It is taken DIRECTLY from the footage that you find so compelling...

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Check out the clip in post 4408. The camera picks up a single light point source (in the sky!) and zooms in. It's no ship.

When I respond to this point, you will most assuredly go back and respond to every point that you've avoided so far, right?

I'm responding to this now, and as a result you'll go back and address the many points and questions that you've avoided, right? Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath...

Anyway, to this INCREDIBLETM light source that he zooms in on... :rolleyes:

Given that you haven't provided a specific point in this video to which you are referring (a.k.a. a time stamp that I can use as a reference...) I'm left with assuming that you are talking about the light he seems to notice at about 3:36.13, labeled within the video as 5:21 AM May 15, 2009. Yes, we can see that it catches his interest and he begins to zoom in on this light source. He is so taken by it that the footage cuts off before he has fully zoomed in (at 4:00.87) and cuts back to the arcing array of 4 lights, with a time stamp of 5:27 AM, about 6 minutes later. Yes, that single light source must have been incredibly fascinating. Or maybe it was just a plane and he cut the film prior to the point where this mundane identification could be made? That would be my guess anyway.

At any rate, I've never said that light was a ship or a boat. In fact, I've not discussed it at all because it seems pretty inconsequential, unimportant based on the videographer's abrupt treatment of it, and certainly not the primary focus of these videos at all when you consider that it weighs in with a measly 24 seconds worth of footage out of the totality of 36 minutes or so spanning the 3 available videos from 2007, 08, and 09.

Okay, your turn. :yes:

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Going back to Zoser's original video, you can see from the two images I posted below, that the first sighting is July 30 and the last is August 24.

Now, would it not seem reasonable, that if the person filming actually believed on July 30 they were viewing an ETV, then they saw it several nights in succession...right up to the last one posted below on August 24...that you would expect them to take some further action after the first night or two??

Like call a news crew?

Like find a better camera?

Maybe get more people with cameras to view it at the same time from various locations?

Get a boat and travel closer to where the sightings appear? That's so obvious that the fact it wasn't done to me is a red flag.

Inform port authorities because it could be a hazzard to shipping lines?

I think the person filming this knows exactly what it is. I should really say what "they" are because in viewing it again, and again, and again, it looks to me to be a different object each time...like a different ship's bridge every night.

Another point that make this seem like bovine feces...you would think that the videographer would have managed to set the time correctly at some point over the course of near a month? I don't think it's dark in that part of the world at 4:50 or 1:45pm around the month of August.

Edited to add: I have a boarder renting a room in my home. Hakan moved here (Canada) from Turkey three years ago. I just showed him the video and before it was 10 seconds into it he said, "That's BS, everybody there knows that." and he walked away laughing at me.

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The Canary Islands UFO of 1976.

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One of the most bizarre reports of unusual phenomena occurred in 1976 in the Spanish Canary Islands. Although the case features a most extraordinary description of aliens and their craft, the occurrence is extremely reliable in that it includes multiple witness reports which agreed in all aspects of the case.

The phenomenon began on the night of June 22, 1976, as residents of Tenerife, La Palma, and La Gomera began reporting the sighting of unusual lights in the sky.

These lights and their maneuvers were different from anything residents of the area had seen before. Newspaper headlines the next morning proclaimed that "thousands of people" had witnessed a "spectacular phenomena" which lasted "twenty minutes." The most sensational aspect was the sighting of the aforementioned "sphere" occupied by strange alien beings.

Three days later, the Commanding General of the Canary Island Air Zone named an "Investigative Adjutant" to make sense of the events. His findings were forwarded by a Spanish Air Force General to journalist J. J. Benitez in 1976, and the details of the case quickly reached beyond the scope of the Islands to the outside world. Benitez's investigation would be the basis of his book, "UFOs: Official Documents of the Spanish Government."

http://www.ufocasebook.com/CanaryIsland.html

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The initial report of the Canary Island UFO came from the Navy's armed escort ship, the "Atrevida." The ship was located off the coast of Fuerteventura Island. The ship's captain gave a detailed report of what he and his crew observed at 9:27 P.M. on June 22.

The entire crew saw an extremely bright yellow-blue light moving from the shore in the direction of the ship, located three and a half miles at sea. Several of the crewmen at first thought they were seeing a conventional aircraft with its landing lights on. The lights soon faded, and a type of beam began to rotate, similar to a lighthouse effect.

Afterwards, an intense halo of yellow and blue could be seen from the fantastic craft. Amazingly, the crew watched the craft for a full forty minutes. The craft seemed to be playing tricks with its lights, as they constantly changed from one form to another. Even though the light show was observed for a long period of time, no signature was evident on the ship's radar of any flying craft.

Actual transcript-Captain of Atrevida.

"At 21:27 (Z) hrs. on 22 June, we saw an intense yellowish-bluish light moving out from the shore towards our position. At first we thought it was an aircraft with its landing lights on. Then, when the light had attained a certain elevation (15 - 18 degrees), it became stationary.

The original light went out and a luminous beam from it began to rotate. It remained like this for approximately two minutes. Then an intense great halo of yellowish and bluish light developed, and remained in the same position for 40 minutes, even though the original phenomenon was no longer visible.

"Two minutes after the great halo, the light split into two parts, the smaller part being beneath, in the center of the luminous halo, where a blue cloud appeared and the part from which the bluish nucleus had come, vanished. The upper part began to climb in a spiral, rapid and irregular, and finally vanished.

None of these movements affected the initial circular halo in any way, which remained just the same the whole time, its glow lighting up parts of the land and the ocean, from which we could deduce that the phenomenon was not very far away from us, but was close."

Only a few minutes later, this same object was seen by residents of Canary Island proper. The bulk of the sightings were by citizens of three villages; Galdar, Las Rosas, and Agaete. A cross section of professions were involved; medical doctor, schoolteacher, farmer, taxi driver, and housewife, among others.

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MacG, what are your thoughts on the Turkey case?

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The incredible account of the sphere was submitted by Doctor Francisco Padron Leon, who lived in the city of Guia. His report is the most voluminous of the entire investigation. His background was thoroughly investigated, and he was found to be an upstanding, sane professional, whose word was considered truthful.

Padron had been summoned to make a house call, and commissioned a cab to take him to the location; the town of Las Rosas. As they rode along, the doctor and cab driver were engaged in light conversation. Suddenly, the car lights pointed out a slightly luminous object in the shape of a sphere.

The object was either landed, or hovering just above the ground. The object was made of a totally transparent and crystalline-like material. The doctor and driver both observed stars through the sphere. The object was bluish in color, with a radius of about 100 feet. The lower part of the orb contained a platform of aluminum-like material with three consoles. At each side of the center there were two huge figures from eight to ten feet tall. They were dressed in red, and always faced each other.

The beings were humanoid in shape, with large heads covered with a type of helmet. The doctor, hardly believing his own eyes, asked for confirmation from his cab driver.

"Are you seeing what I am?" he asked.

The driver exclaimed, "My God! What is that?"

The cab was only a short distance from the patient's house, and upon arriving, the doctor observed a type of bluish smoke coming from a tube rising through the center of the object.

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The doctor stated: "We were talking about hunting... as we entered the last part of the road, the car lights pointed at a slightly luminous sphere that was stationary and very close to the ground, although I can't say for sure if it was touching it.

It was made of a totally transparent and crystalline-like material, since it was possible to see through it the stars in the sky; it had an electric blue color but tenuous, without dazzling; it had a radius of about 30 m. [100 ft.], and in the lower third of the sphere you could see a platform of aluminum-like color as if made of metal, and three large consoles.

At each side of the center there were two huge figures of 2.50 to 3 m. [8.5 to 10 ft.] tall, but no taller than 3 m. [10 ft.], dressed entirely in red and facing each other in such a way that I always saw their profile."

"Then I observed that some kind of bluish smoke was coming out from a semi-transparent central tube in the sphere, covering the periphery of the sphere's interior without leaking outside at any moment.

Then the sphere began to grow and grow until it became huge like a 20-story house, but the platform and the crew remained the same size; it rose slowly and majestically and it seems I heard a very tenuous whistling."

The sphere grew to an enormous size as it began to ascend into the sky. The doctor ran into the house, and told the family about what he had seen. Running outside, they observed the orb, which was now extremely high in the sky. It reached an enormous speed, accelerating toward Tenerfie.

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MacG, what are your thoughts on the Turkey case?

Didn't someone say that was really a film of a boat or a ship out at sea? My memory is a little foggy about that one.

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Of course, someone even tried to explain the Canary Islands UFO as the test of an American submarine-launched missile, although no such submarine was ever identified anywhere in the vicinity.

That's just another example of offering an "explanation" when it would be infinitely better simply to say nothing at all.

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Have you fully reviewed all of the Turkey footage? Having done so, have you not noticed the disparity between the objects captured? Your screen capture is from 2008. The animated GIF is a capture from the 2009 video. Specifically the portion labeled 3:57 AM, May 13, 2009, starting around the 1:35 mark and continuing up until about the 2:33 mark. In fact, if you actually looked closely at the GIF you should clearly see that it was taken from a point where the time indicated is 3:58 AM, which is between the 2:14 and 2:33 marks.

I agree with your analysis of the video. However I would add the following:

Up to 1:35 the video shows one object (Video time is around 2:20).

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Then there is a break, and the footage resumes but zooming in on another object at around 1:40 (video time 3:57).

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The two pictures are not the same and it doesn't take a genius to work that out.

Now Boon or the site he lifted the images from used the second object, not the first.

Are the images of the same objects?

Probably not. My guess is that the camera man zoomed in the second time on a different object. They are different.

Hopefully that clarifies the confusion.

Does the second image look like a cruise ship? To me it could be. But not the first object and about that I need to be clear.

Edit to add:

The first object above is more consistent with the earlier 2008 footage.

Edited by zoser

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MacGuffin:

I love your post. As soon as I have finished looking at the Turkey case I will look at the Canary Island Case. It looks brilliant, and once again how you find these cases I'll never know. :tu:

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Of course, someone even tried to explain the Canary Islands UFO as the test of an American submarine-launched missile, although no such submarine was ever identified anywhere in the vicinity.

That's just another example of offering an "explanation" when it would be infinitely better simply to say nothing at all.

From UFO Casebook:

One of the most bizarre reports of unusual phenomena occurred in 1976 in the Spanish Canary Islands. Although the case features a most extraordinary description of aliens and their craft, the occurrence is extremely reliable in that it includes multiple witness reports which agreed in all aspects of the case.

The phenomenon began on the night of June 22, 1976, as residents of Tenerife, La Palma, and La Gomera began reporting the sighting of unusual lights in the sky.

These lights and their maneuvers were different from anything residents of the area had seen before. Newspaper headlines the next morning proclaimed that "thousands of people" had witnessed a "spectacular phenomena" which lasted "twenty minutes." The most sensational aspect was the sighting of the aforementioned "sphere" occupied by strange alien beings.

Three days later, the Commanding General of the Canary Island Air Zone named an "Investigative Adjutant" to make sense of the events. His findings were forwarded by a Spanish Air Force General to journalist J. J. Benitez in 1976, and the details of the case quickly reached beyond the scope of the Islands to the outside world. Benitez's investigation would be the basis of his book, "UFOs: Official Documents of the Spanish Government."

Read More

http://www.ufocasebook.com/CanaryIsland.html

Looks like the sighting was well witnessed; I would love to hear some first hand testimony on this one. I'll have another look.

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MacGuffin:

I love your post. As soon as I have finished looking at the Turkey case I will look at the Canary Island Case. It looks brilliant, and once again how you find these cases I'll never know. :tu:

That's one of the very few cases where you will find "aliens" or "occupants" mentioned in declassified government documents. In this case, though, the entire crew of a naval vessel and numerous civilians saw this UFO, and I don't thin there was ever any real question but that it all occurred just as they said.

It's the type of case that the military takes very seriously, even though they may not have any idea where these things really come from.

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Just wanted to pop in and say I've finally read all 298 pages of this thread (thus far!) by getting through a few each day. I like the (generally) honest cut and thrust of well-honed debate throughout.

My point of view for the majority of these cases is: "We'll probably never really know." The odds are in favour naturally, of most of them being well, something natural. But there's always the possibility, however slim, that some of these were the real deal.

The Kumburgaz (I have to control myself to not chuckle at the name!) case is interesting - particularly Zoser's first pic. However, I think the video is being a tad disingenuous when it suggests that there is a visible 'alien crew member' present. Not just because they automatically assume it's alien, but that it is in-fact anything alive at all. Not once do I see any movement there (that is not directly related to the entire image moving - camera handling issues). The likely result is of course, that it's a boat facing towards the cameraman (but let's not go down the angle-of-sight debate again like with the aircraft case posed earlier. lol!)

Anyway, thanks to Zoser in the main for the 'interesting' testimonies which have certainly kept me engaged over the last few weeks.

I'll go back to lurking now... :)

Edit Reason: Unintended use of banned word (was part of another non-offensive word)!

Edited by Matt Vinyl
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Just wanted to pop in and say I've finally read all 298 pages of this thread (thus far!) by getting through a few each day. I like the (generally) honest cut and thrust of well-honed debate throughout.

My point of view for the majority of these cases is: "We'll probably never really know." The odds are in favour naturally, of most of them being well, something natural. But there's always the possibility, however slim, that some of these were the real deal.

The Kumburgaz (I have to control myself to not chuckle at the name!) case is interesting - particularly Zoser's first pic. However, I think the video is being a tad disingenuous when it suggests that there is a visible 'alien crew member' present. Not just because they automatically assume it's alien, but that it is in-fact anything alive at all. Not once do I see any movement there (that is not directly related to the entire image moving - camera handling issues). The likely result is of course, that it's a boat facing towards the cameraman (but let's not go down the angle-of-sight debate again like with the aircraft case posed earlier. lol!)

Anyway, thanks to Zoser in the main for the 'interesting' testimonies which have certainly kept me engaged over the last few weeks.

I'll go back to lurking now... :)

Edit Reason: Unintended use of banned word (was part of another non-offensive word)!

You bring some refreshing insight to the thread.

Please don't just lurk...comment as you wish.

If you've chewed your way through the whole thread we want your input.

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Someone posted a video that had satellite pictures of UFOs around the British coast, including triangles, cylinders, and glowing underwater things.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=bQI0LDO5lmI[/media]

well, imaginative, and I like the music, but since he doesn't seem to say where any of these things are, and just seems to assume that any glitch or anything that looks vaguely like a shape must have been blacked out for Security reasons, it's difficult to say anything further really.

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This is Col. Charles Halt's latest interview on the Rendlesham case. He said that he would have preferred that the whole case had not been publicized, but it came out anyway. He didn't even know the complete story in 1980 nor was he told who really investigated it. Not even Lord Hill-Norton could find out that information. These UFOs were spotted over the base and on other bases in the area, as well as by several different radars.

Halt doesn't really know what they were or where they came from, but he denies that the UFOs were definitely not the lighthouses. He also met Col. John Alexander who was still on active duty at the time and interviewed him about the case. The NSA was also very interested in the case and discussed it with him in detail.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tN0-8TIHL2I[/media]

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