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Do you lend credence to all the ET visitation stories..... like the millions of abductions/year and the cropscircles, etc,....

We received another ET visitation: Antarctica

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So was that a precaution in case they needed to leave the craft, and they couldn't be sure (despite their overwhelming technology) that Earth's atmosphere was breathable, or could it just have been a detail added to add a bit of colour, despite the fact that it's horrendously cheesy?

These photos look like the Pleiadians.

They have been here on Earth for 1,000s of years.

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Alfena Portugal - 1990

Everything began at 8.30 am on the 10th of September 1990 when a group of kids called the attention for a "baloon" that moved in the skies of Vilar - Alfena.

Soon lots of people were also attracted by the unusual event. The said object with the shape of a "baloon" looked like a turtle with legs because according to a witness, besides the circular shape the object also showed appendices. It had a 1 to 3 meters of diameter and it gave the impression of reflecting sun beams.

The witnesses, a total of 25, positioned in various spots of the local wondered themselves about the real nature of that strange aerial artifact.

Some even tried to hit it with rocks. After travelling in the area for about 50 minutes, the strange ufo flew away in the direction of Santo Tirso - Paços de Ferreira.

Some people alerted Mr. Manuel Gomes, local resident and colaborator of the Jornal de Noticias newspaper, who took his camera and took four photos of the said object. Later he related the whole happening to CNIFO (Comissão Nacional de Investigação do Fenómeno OVNI) "

No propellers or sound could be heard. The military were testing no aerial vehicles or drones that day. In any case drones are not silent and since the object was low propellers would be easily visible.

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The above photos are actual images of the craft.

The first part of this documentary between 2:00 and 13:00 deals with this intriguing case.

National Geographic UFO Europe Untold Stories | S01E04

Funny how people thought it was a balloon isnt it? But then decided to go with the ufo story for the one minute of fame. People are smarter than you think zoser, if it looks like a balloon, then it surely is

Looks like Sputnik.

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Looks like Sputnik.

Quite an easy mistake to make. It's actually an ET probe.

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Kelowna British Columbia - 2003.

By Brian Vike

The story is real but one of the names in this report is fictitious for obvious reasons. Corina, the driver of the vehicle is her real name.

Monday - August 18, 2003 I received a telephone call from Corina who lives in Kelowna, British Columbia. The lady was very upset and had a time speaking of the event that took place with her and a close female friend of hers. She told me today that a friend had brought over a newspaper article which was run in the Kelowna Capital Newspaper. The headline read "Seeking Witnesses to UFO." which showed up on August 15, 2003

Here is her story...

She tells that her and her friend are having a very hard time dealing with what took place. Also another couple who lives in the area watched an aerial craft hovering close to the location where the two ladies had parked there car at the side of the highway and gave confirmation to the incident, or at least witnessed an object.

At approx: 12:05 a.m., July 31, 2003 the two ladies were playing around on the computer when Linda said, we haven't done any star gazing in a long time, so Corina, the lady who contacted me said, you're right, lets go out and do some star gazing. They left home at 12:05 a.m. heading out to an area where they would get a look at the clear night sky without having lights to obscure their view. Corina drove to Glenmore, which is north from where she lives and is on the back road heading to Winfield from Kelowna, B.C.

They were driving along and Corina reported that there was quite a bit of traffic for that time of the night, but soon after they decided to stop just off to the side of the road to see what they might notice, the traffic stopped coming. There was not a light from any vehicles, not anything other than a very dark stretch of road. Corina grabbed her flashlight and shone it into the sky as she has done this in the past. Her friend Linda had the binoculars on the other side of the car scanning the starry night sky. They were there only a minute out of the car when her Linda said, this is really strange. There are three stars up in the sky and formed into a triangle shape. All three lights at this time were solid white. Both ladies watched as the three white lights started moving, but moving together. The witness with the binoculars said stars don't do that, and Corina replies, of course not, as she thought it may have been a plane or something. Linda replies, no this is not a plane as the lights were changing color to a neon green and the object had stopped and hovered just ahead of their car on the highway.

Corina turned the headlights off, and shone her flashlight down the road in front of her car. They were worrying about animals such as a bear, cougars, etc. being around in this isolated area. As she shone the light up the road both of the women spotted something which frightened them a lot. Five sets of eyes staring at approx: 40 feet away from them. As frightened as they were, their first thoughts were of coyotes or some other wild animal, but she said once you really look your brain takes it in.

Corina describes the creatures as being roughly four feet tall, dark gray shoulders and coming towards the women. Corina said "I was so scared I could hardly talk, and could hardly breathe". She yelled to her friend Linda, "get in the car, get in the car". Corina said they both scrambled to get back into the vehicle, but she said it was like moving through quicksand and it felt horrible. Being so terrified and trying to move as fast as they possibly could, it felt as if everything was slowing down around them.

Once they were both back in the car, Corina tried to turn the ignition on so she could get the power windows up. But all the electrics on the car was failing. The dome light, headlights were going off and on, on their own and as she said. "Everything was going nuts!"

Finally the car started and they turned around in the middle of the road and sped off towards home and as they traveled along they noticed a fair bit of traffic coming in their direction. (Corina commented to me, where was all the traffic when all this was happening?) As they drove along the road, Corina said to Linda, "this is the weirdest thing. "She said I feel like electricity, my whole body is tingling, just like I was zapped by a charge from a battery". When Linda heard this, she said, "I didn't want to say anything to you as you might think I was nuts, but I am feeling the same. As if I was hit by an electrical charge." As Linda was explaining how she felt, and facing Corina she glanced at the clock in car and said, "Jesus Corina, look at the time" ! Corina said what are you talking about ? Linda said we were only stopped and out of the car for a few minutes at the most, and the time of the car's clock reads an extra 25 minutes of time.

As they drove along and close to home they both discussed it and wondered if they had imagined it all. As they were just about home, they turned onto Baker Street which is covered in darkness next to a field. All of a sudden they saw this bright, glowing neon green ball low in the sky. The object started moving to the right, "stop", left, "stop", right, "stop", left, "stop" and then it started to move away until the ladies car came to a halt, and so did the object. Before they knew it, the ball of green light started heading towards them at a high rate of speed and hovered high above their car. At this point they just wanted to get to their home and be as far away from whatever it was as possible.

The driver sped off quickly again and they headed into an orchard which was very close by. They thought they would not be seen hiding amongst the trees, plus there was no lighting in this area to reveal their position. Corina looked at her friend and said, "they will never find us here". Both women are sitting in the car trying to get themselves together as the driver said she was losing it at this point. Only after a very short time after arriving in the orchard Linda said, Corina you better look out the front windscreen and look up slightly. We don't have just one green ball of light, there are now three, glowing green objects. The way the green lights were in the sky, it looked as if the they formed a triangle formation and all moving now together. After a short period of time each of the green lights moved away in different directions.

Brian Vike asked if the witness could give some idea of how large the green lights were. The witness told me each of the lights were approx: half the size of a full moon. After seeing the lights flying off into different directions the ladies raced home as quickly as they possibly could.

Once safe at home, both ladies shaken, they tried to come up with some reasonable explanation for what just happened. They tried to put it out of their minds but that was impossible ! Later on, both ladies turned in for the night and when they woke up in the morning, Corina discovered a large bruise on her left breast and another on the bottom of her foot. She did not know how they got there but she did know they were extremely painful.

As she sat drinking a cup of coffee, Linda finally got up and was walking down the hall towards the kitchen when she said, "god, good morning - do I feel rough this morning". After Linda finished saying that, Corina watched as blood came pouring from Linda's nose. Corina jumped up, ran and grabbed a towel. Linda also commented that she was having a lot of pain in her lower back area. She asked Corina to have a look to see if there was anything that could be seen. So she looked and gasped, there was a large circle burned into her skin and was located in the middle, lower back area (tail bone). Also bruises were found on Linda's body as well, some of them appeared to look like finger marks and there were three of them on each thigh. Both women at this point were shocked, upset and very frightened.

Linda, who was up visiting from the Abbotsford ended her holiday and headed back home. Two days after being home in Abbotsford, B.C. she went to consult her family doctor due to still experiencing the terrible pain which was originating from her lower back, plus it was not getting any better. Her doctor examined her, and her injury to her back, the doctor said if I didn't know any better I would say you have a radiation burn. He was of course referring to the burn mark on Linda's back. The doctor is still trying to heal this mark on her back, as something had burned right through the outer layer of this ladies skin.

I would also like to add, this Missing Time event took place around the same date over 200 witnessed watched one amazing event unfold in southeastern British Columbia. I also received a flood of sighting reports which also came from this area. July 27/28 to August 18, 2003.

Parts 2 and 3 can be found on youtube. They are only 5 minute clips each. Well worth listening to.

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An up to date documentary on the case, well worth watching.

Alien Mysteries - S01E03 - Corina Saebels

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Yes Zoser, I am familair with this incident as well. It has been featured on quite a few ufo shows here in the U.S.

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Bucks County UFO 2008.

No introduction needed. The recent documentary clip describes the details very well. The case was fully investigated by MUFON.

What are the UFO's after? Why the glittering phenomena around the trees? Was the craft extracting something? Why are these craft just visiting and flying off again? Why no attempt at communication?

Enjoy the clip:

Alien Mysteries - S01E05 - Buck's County UFO

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I have seen this show quite a few times. I think there is only one other instance that I recall where a ufo seemed to emit something that glittered. As we both know Zoser, there was a claim in the Bentwaters incidemt where one officer said the ufo seemed to be emitting molten metal. WEIRD. Maybe the occupants of the ufo are looking for our reaction or something. Just saying....

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I have seen this show quite a few times. I think there is only one other instance that I recall where a ufo seemed to emit something that glittered. As we both know Zoser, there was a claim in the Bentwaters incidemt where one officer said the ufo seemed to be emitting molten metal. WEIRD. Maybe the occupants of the ufo are looking for our reaction or something. Just saying....

Sure anything is possible. On the above clip it described where another guy came forward having seen a similar effect some years earlier in Florida; a glittering around trees and foliage associated with the light from a UFO craft. In the mind of the MUFON investigator this added weight to Denise Murter's (Buck's County) sighting.

What could they possibly be after? It's a great question. In only a very small percentage of cases is there ever communication. Perhaps one of the best recorded cases of direct communication is the Herbert Schirmer incident. This case was covered earlier in this thread. The next best was perhaps the Betty and Barney Hill incident. These are however very rare.

Even in the case of Travis Walton we see no attempt at communication. This is the most baffling part of these UFO incidents to my humble mind. One good theory is that they extract necessary resources either from

  • Water (see Gosford UFO Australia 1994)

  • Soil (Delphos Kansas UFO 1971 and also Trans en Province UFO 1981)

  • Trees (Buck's County UFO - see above)

So there is some tentative evidence that these craft are here for their own benefit and not necessarily interested in us. Interesting in the Buck's County sighting above certain chemicals were detected on the tree in unusually high quantities namely Boron and Magnesium. This has been the case in other landing incidents according to MUFON.

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Sure anything is possible. On the above clip it described where another guy came forward having seen a similar effect some years earlier in Florida; a glittering around trees and foliage associated with the light from a UFO craft. In the mind of the MUFON investigator this added weight to Denise Murter's (Buck's County) sighting.

What could they possibly be after? It's a great question. In only a very small percentage of cases is there ever communication. Perhaps one of the best recorded cases of direct communication is the Herbert Schirmer incident. This case was covered earlier in this thread. The next best was perhaps the Betty and Barney Hill incident. These are however very rare.

Even in the case of Travis Walton we see no attempt at communication. This is the most baffling part of these UFO incidents to my humble mind. One good theory is that they extract necessary resources either from

  • Water (see Gosford UFO Australia 1994)

  • Soil (Delphos Kansas UFO 1971 and also Trans en Province UFO 1981)

  • Trees (Buck's County UFO - see above)

So there is some tentative evidence that these craft are here for their own benefit and not necessarily interested in us.

Could they not just be conducting scientific analysis and taking samples (which might include the fauna, including the bipedal ones, as well)?

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Could they not just be conducting scientific analysis and taking samples (which might include the fauna, including the bipedal ones, as well)?

All quite possible. The evidence would suggest so.

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I dont know If Its been mentioned and if it has Im sorry, but what do you guys think of the Kecksburg UFO incident??

I'm now convinced that this was an ET craft. The object was observed to change direction mid flight indicating intelligent control Cosmos 96 crashed 14 hours earlier ruling that out.

Stan Gordon who researched the case extensively quotes a witness who was called to do some work at Wright Patterson shortly after the crash (WP was the location of much of the Project Blue Book work).

The object is seen by the witness. Workers at the base are trying to penetrate the object. On the table adjacent to the bell shaped object is a body covered with a blanket. The witness said that the being had only 3 digits on it's hand and had lizard like skin.

Fast forward to the last 10 minutes of this 2013 documentary to see the testimony of this witness.

Alien Mysteries - S01E06 - Kecksburg UFO Incident

Prior to the object arriving at Wright Patterson it was located at Lockbourne AFB in Ohio. One of the guards there came forward and reported to Gordon that the guards were given a 'shoot to kill' order to protect it. Unlikely then that this was a US secret vehicle.

Zoser's verdict; a crashed ET craft. It's happened before many times.

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I know I have seen this on some program I have seen, as its sounds familiar to me. I will find something about it to refresh my mind.

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Yes, just looked it up and I remember that incident now. It was referred to as Pennsylvanias' Roswell. A most interesting case, and another case of denial by the U.S. military, that and lets change the story headlines.

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I'm now convinced that this was an ET craft. The object was observed to change direction mid flight indicating intelligent control.

Zoser's verdict; a crashed ET craft. It's happened before many times.

Thank God this is resolved.

So anything that changes direction mid-flight is demonstrating intelligent control...hmmm. I have to completely rethink airborn plastic bags, boomerangs, and leaves falling from trees in the Fall.

Three fingers and lizard skin?

That's original.

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Thank God this is resolved.

So anything that changes direction mid-flight is demonstrating intelligent control...hmmm. I have to completely rethink airborn plastic bags, boomerangs, and leaves falling from trees in the Fall.

Three fingers and lizard skin?

That's original.

Tut tut. You never listened to the witness who saw the craft and the creature inside Wright Patterson AFB did you? Neither did you listen to the witnesses that saw the craft descend. You only therefore have your own speculation. You are working without the full information.

Who am I going to take notice of? The people that were there or you?

:whistle:

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Tut tut. You never listened to the witness who saw the craft and the creature inside Wright Patterson AFB did you? Neither did you listen to the witnesses that saw the craft descend. You only therefore have your own speculation. You are working without the full information.

Who am I going to take notice of? The people that were there or you?

:whistle:

I've been researching the ET Hypothesis for nearly 4 decades. One thing I learned long ago is that eyewitness testimony is the least trustworthy evidence there is. You a leaping to conclusions that because something changes direction midair then it means its under intelligent control.

You're allowing wishful thinking to cloud logic. The ET Hypothesis MUST be scrutinized to the nth degree. "To infinity...and beyond!" to quote Buzz Lightyear.

My heart and my gut tells me ET's are here visiting...but logic says otherwise.

First hand, solid evidence is whats required. Not old stories from 50 years ago without solid documentation.

This old story is in the Roswell category. The more it's talked about the more it becomes a fairy tale.

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I've been researching the ET Hypothesis for nearly 4 decades. One thing I learned long ago is that eyewitness testimony is the least trustworthy evidence there is.

Far too general an assumption. Totally invalid. Typical skeptic's approach: ignore the witnesses and let's substitute our own version. Totally unscientific.

You a leaping to conclusions that because something changes direction midair then it means its under intelligent control.

You're allowing wishful thinking to cloud logic.

Not only did it change direction in mid air something acted like a break to slow it's descent. Did you hear the witnesses describe this? Please go back and listen to them. What else can change direction during a descent? I await your explanation.

My heart and my gut tells me ET's are here visiting...but logic says otherwise.

Not sufficient. The case facts themselves say otherwise. That's what you have to go back to. Not what you think is the case.

First hand, solid evidence is whats required. Not old stories from 50 years ago without solid documentation.

Agreed. However the authorities always move in to sanitize the case. They remove evidence, threaten witnesses and lay misinformation. This all needs to be taken into account.

This old story is in the Roswell category. The more it's talked about the more it becomes a fairy tale.

Roswell has never been debunked. Even the military announced they had recovered a UFO on the initial press release. Why would they get it wrong?

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Roswell has never been debunked. Even the military announced they had recovered a UFO on the initial press release. Why would they get it wrong?

Actually that is an interesting question. The theory is often given that the Military said it was a UFo to take advantage of the public interest in the subject at the time, in order to give them a cover story for their secret project to monitor Atom bomb blasts. However, that would mean that they were using the story that there were intelligently controlled craft interloping in US Airspace, which they knew nothing at all about, and were powerless to do anything about. That would seem a funny thing for the Air Force to want people to believe, if it wasn't true, wouldn't it?

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By analogy it's a bit like a dooct

Actually that is an interesting question. The theory is often given that the Military said it was a UFo to take advantage of the public interest in the subject at the time, in order to give them a cover story for their secret project to monitor Atom bomb blasts. However, that would mean that they were using the story that there were intelligently controlled craft interloping in US Airspace, which they knew nothing at all about, and were powerless to do anything about. That would seem a funny thing for the Air Force to want people to believe, if it wasn't true, wouldn't it?

Yes weird. Also how come they made such a fast reversal? Who gave a dam about weather balloons ? Why not just admit it from the outset?

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By analogy it's a bit like a dooct

Yes weird. Also how come they made such a fast reversal? Who gave a dam about weather balloons ? Why not just admit it from the outset?

It wasn't a "weather balloon", it was a portion of a Mogul balloon which was highly secret at the time. It was designed to detect Soviet atomic weapon tests. That's why initially the military told the press it was a "flying saucer". They thought it would just blow over, but when it received widespread publicity, they reversed and said it was a weather balloon.

Roswell was a dead story until Stanton Friedman drummed it up to sell his books.

Forget Roswell. It's a lame story. It's perpetuated because it sells books and it draws tourists to a town that otherwise would be broke.

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I'm now convinced that this was an ET craft.

Somehow this doesn't surprise me

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It wasn't a "weather balloon", it was a portion of a Mogul balloon which was highly secret at the time. It was designed to detect Soviet atomic weapon tests. That's why initially the military told the press it was a "flying saucer". They thought it would just blow over, but when it received widespread publicity, they reversed and said it was a weather balloon.

Roswell was a dead story until Stanton Friedman drummed it up to sell his books.

Forget Roswell. It's a lame story. It's perpetuated because it sells books and it draws tourists to a town that otherwise would be broke.

To be a bit nit picky, the balloons were actually weather balloons, it was just the payload that was different. I.e., a Project Mogul payload rather than regular weather monitoring equipment.

Cheers,

Badeskov

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To be a bit nit picky, the balloons were actually weather balloons, it was just the payload that was different. I.e., a Project Mogul payload rather than regular weather monitoring equipment.

Cheers,

Badeskov

Exactly right, and here also is a possible clue to how the disk rumor got started in the first place

"A telex sent to an Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) office from the Fort Worth, Texas office quoted a Major from the Eighth Air Force (also based in Fort Worth at Carswell Air Force Base) on July 8, 1947 as saying that "The disc is hexagonal in shape and was suspended from a ballon [sic] by cable, which ballon [sic] was approximately twenty feet in diameter"

Makes sense to me, no point sending a balloon up without stuff attached to it, is there?

http://en.wikipedia....porary_accounts

Plus of course we have another crashed weather balloon a few days ago, and equipment found, this time in the street, with multiple witnesses, news crews and pics/vids etc. OH and the military were in attendance too, with a bomb sniffer robot

http://www.dailymail...-falls-sky.html

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http://www.unexplain...opic=252491&hl=

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By analogy it's a bit like a dooct

Yes weird. Also how come they made such a fast reversal? Who gave a dam about weather balloons ? Why not just admit it from the outset?

It took them a few days to get their act together. They did the best they could. It was July 1947.

Also, they had 2 crash sites to contend with. Brazel Ranch & East Sugarloaf Mountain near Datil, New Mexico.

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