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Have you actually died, not just a NDE?? Well, come back again and tell us all about it...and we'll compare notes. Sounds fair?

If I actually died would I be here... I drowned and was brought back after 20 min under water. I guess god didn`t open the tunnel and I must be special.

The core of religion hasn't changed since the day one. There's a reason for that.

Hit the nail on the head. To control people. Glad you pointed that out.

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What a long ranting post to try to state your beliefe is right. Take a second to think they are all wrong and man made for agenda. If god was about the human race he would be able to show he was about the human race. He has failed in every possible way.

sorry ment for Bluefinger

There was a lot to glean from my response Silver. It goes to show how antagonistic your mind is, especially toward Christianity.

Has God failed in every possible way or has God just not done things the way you would have? Beside all of that, there is an exegesis to each Biblical text that is just as important as the what the text says. If you rule out the audience, author, and historical context of the writing (especially after much scholarly research), then it shows that you are no fan truth, but instead am content to insert your own worldview into a text whose social agenda is completely different. No wonder you think God has failed: You don't even know enough about the text to know what constitutes a success for it.

You have set the bar unrealistically high and have scolded others for not reaching it. It was that kind of practice that caused me to even question the religious establishment I grew up in. I am glad I am free from that kind of oppression.

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If I actually died would I be here... I drowned and was brought back after 20 min under water. I guess god didn`t open the tunnel and I must be special.

Nah, that's not long enough. It's still NDE. You were merely dreaming. I would believe it if there were decay and putrification...

Hit the nail on the head. To control people. Glad you pointed that out.

Nah. It's actually the Power-That-Be's grace and compassion. The core of every religion is to get us out of here -- no more cycles.

"While you live, your troubles are many. Poor Jerusalem: to conquer death, you only have to die -- you only have to die." Jesus Christ Superstar

"Die," in the sense that you don't reincarnate -- one's "awareness" of one's existence is completely erased, destroyed, merged with the purifying power of God(?). It's the true sense of Nirvana. No more you.

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There was a lot to glean from my response Silver. It goes to show how antagonistic your mind is, especially toward Christianity.

Has God failed in every possible way or has God just not done things the way you would have? Beside all of that, there is an exegesis to each Biblical text that is just as important as the what the text says. If you rule out the audience, author, and historical context of the writing (especially after much scholarly research), then it shows that you are no fan truth, but instead am content to insert your own worldview into a text whose social agenda is completely different. No wonder you think God has failed: You don't even know enough about the text to know what constitutes a success for it.

You have set the bar unrealistically high and have scolded others for not reaching it. It was that kind of beh that caused me to even question the religious establishment I grew up in. I am glad I am free from that kind of oppression.

My dis like of religion spans more then your trust in it believe me. Get off your high horse for a second as you seem to think you are some speaker for a god I nor many, half the world does not believe in. so please. I see you like to use god to attack people on a personal level, very typical yet not suprising. Your assumption god has failed me is evidience of your ignorance of a none believer just because one is told to believe with nothing to believe in. Why do you think that is a good tacktic....

Tell me where god has not failed and belief in a deity has succeded. Don`t assume I blaim a god for anything as I do not believe in a god and for better reason why would anyone. Your god is yours, organize it then it becomes mine. Religion is not a choice if you make it political and thats all religion is now, political. Hence my former coment to control.

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Nah, that's not long enough. It's still NDE. You were merely dreaming. I would believe it if there were decay and putrification...

Nah. It's actually the Power-That-Be's grace and compassion. The core of every religion is to get us out of here -- no more cycles.

"While you live, your troubles are many. Poor Jerusalem: to conquer death, you only have to die -- you only have to die." Jesus Christ Superstar

"Die," in the sense that you don't reincarnate -- one's "awareness" of one's existence is completely erased, destroyed, merged with the purifying power of God(?). It's the true sense of Nirvana. No more you.

Ok I wasn`t dead long enough lol so I have to to start to rote (decay) to see god.

The core of religion is to control and give one peace as there service to a false god is over very well known by those at the top. Pope Vi in the tenth century stated as much. Not sure of the roman numeral though

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Ok I wasn`t dead long enough lol so I have to to start to rote (decay)

Exactly.

The core of religion is to control and give one peace as there service to a false god is over very well known by those at the top. Pope Vi in the tenth century stated as much. Not sure of the roman numeral though

I put more weight on my findings over hearsay knowledge. The posts I shared with you are absolutely NOT hearsay. Edited by braveone2u

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And isn't atheism a very convenient avenue to turn to for those who are wealthy and well off? I guess if there is no deity, then there is no obligation to care for the poor, fight in a war, stop looking at porn, and question the sacredness of marriage. I could say that atheism could just be what people resort to when they want their lives to themselves. This hole can get deeper, but I think I'll leave at this: There is a worldview behind what you are saying that I'm suspecting that you haven't given as much criticism to as you have other worldviews.

But if there is no God, then there is no consequence to how well or how poorly we live our lives. You can't justify to someone else that they should value your life or their own for that matter based on the argument of rationality. If anything, a man can take your worldview to the extremes (as can happen with any belief) and use it to justify their exploitation of other peoples' fundamental rights and humanity. The pendulum swings both ways. Those that you consider 'logical' are not excluded.

Of course there are consequences to how we live our lives. Only, the consequences are in this life. What has more value? Doing what is right because you fear the wrath of God when you're dead, or doing what is right simply because it's the right thing to do? What kind of moral high ground can someone take if they have to be threatened to behave?

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I'm serious. Show me a soul. I want to see one.

Look in a mirror.

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Look in a mirror.

No. That's what we call a person. Homo sapien. Human.

I see no soul.

It would seem that no one can show me a soul.

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I believe gods really exists. Why? People who really want may talk to them.

http://www.esoterica...le/iambl_th.htm

http://www.sacred-te...y/dmp/index.htm

I tried such practices and I am sure, that it is real. :tu:

People with blind faith scare me as that can lead to anything. Blind faith in anything even taught by billions is still a blind faith. Man dictates and according to the bible god does not. So why do people believe in what man says through god yet man dictates gods word as the truth

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No. That's what we call a person. Homo sapien. Human.

I see no soul.

It would seem that no one can show me a soul.

Correct, species homo sapien, human. A living breathing being with a soul existing on a planet orbiting a yellow dwarf star in a humdrum spiral galaxy.

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Correct, species homo sapien, human. A living breathing being with a soul existing on a planet orbiting a yellow dwarf star in a humdrum spiral galaxy.

Example of a soul : wishfull thinking

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People with blind faith scare me as that can lead to anything. Blind faith in anything even taught by billions is still a blind faith. Man dictates and according to the bible god does not. So why do people believe in what man says through god yet man dictates gods word.

Well, but evocation is not blind faith. See you Iamblichus, or similar books. (see above).

Blind faith is believing without a proof............

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Correct, species homo sapien, human. A living breathing being with a soul existing on a planet orbiting a yellow dwarf star in a humdrum spiral galaxy.

I can see everything else and have proof of it's existence. All but that soul, of course. No evidence there. Nope. Not a bit.

No matter how many times or how many ways you say it, it's just not there, because it is fictitious.

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Well, but evocation is not blind faith. See you Iamblichus, or similar books. (see above).

Blind faith is believing without a proof............

Extremly dangerous as that can be used to manipulate. That is why religion still has it`s hand around so many necks. Thanks again for proving my point.

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Extremly dangerous as that can be used to manipulate. That is why religion still has it`s hand around so many necks. Thanks again for proving my point.

Extremly dangerous? :-* Whit People who try experiments according old mystical and magical books nobody can manipulate.

You can only manipulate ignorant people. :devil:

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I can see everything else and have proof of it's existence. All but that soul, of course. No evidence there. Nope. Not a bit.

No matter how many times or how many ways you say it, it's just not there, because it is fictitious.

You can deny having one all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you do have one. A soul is within you, through every fibre, synapse, and cell. You seem to think that to acknowledge your soul is to believe in a deity with a white beard and flowing gown. Not so. The reality of a soul is not nor should it be a threat to your core beliefs.

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Well, but evocation is not blind faith. See you Iamblichus, or similar books. (see above).

Blind faith is believing without a proof............

so what you are saying is that praying for anothers death in favor of the god you believe in makes your god the real god if you may win. Ancient and does not applie one bit to modern society. Like Karma wishing god to to avenge the wrongs you personaly feel. Garbage

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Extremly dangerous? :-* Whit People who try experiments according old mystical and magical books nobody can manipulate.

You can only manipulate ignorant people. :devil:

Not sure about the white people thing but ya. Ignorance plays a big part in religion and control.

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You can only manipulate ignorant people. :devil:

Otherwise it is a partnership.

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Have you actually died, not just a NDE?? Well, come back again and tell us all about it...and we'll compare notes. Sounds fair?

braveone2u, are you saying that you have actually and literally died -- and your body decomposed? If so, could you please elaborate as to how you are now alive?

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You can deny having one all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you do have one. A soul is within you, through every fibre, synapse, and cell. You seem to think that to acknowledge your soul is to believe in a deity with a white beard and flowing gown. Not so. The reality of a soul is not nor should it be a threat to your core beliefs.

While it's nice that you believe to know what I think, I can assure you that your 'soul' does nothing to what I may or may not believe.

You are the one making the claim. I simply ask you to prove it. You can't. You cannot provide one empirical piece of evidence for a soul, can you? No, of course you can't. And no offense, but better men than you have tried. So you may as well drop it because short of showing me a soul in some measurable capacity, you will never convince me that it is not anymore fictitious than the giant turtle that lives under my couch.

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Any entity which has a human level sapience/self awareness or higher, has a soul, even an artificial Intellogence. For example does it know good from evil (creative from destructive) Does it have a knowledge of cause and consequence Does it understand that it is the same as all others of its type/ species/? Can it empathise, love and hate, as intellectual constructs not just emotional ones? CAn it forgive? Especially significant, is it capapble of feeling guilt?

Does it have the ability to make free willed choices knowing what the consequences of those choices will be? ANd so forth. If an entity has these qualities, then it has a soul. It can grow that soul or it can shrivel it, and even "destroy" it.

The soul begins, perhaps before birth but certainly at birth, as part of human intelligence/self awareness.It grows evolves and develops as we nurture educate and care for it. It dies when a human loses self awareness. But just maybe it can be restored or resurrected or transferred. So far that is a matter for faith, but in a decade or two it will be achievable through science. Our soul will become very very long lived, capable of being stored, replicated, transferred and duplicated, so that it need never be really lost.

Every functioning human has a soul, and as far as we can measure scientifically, no other entity in the universe does. Eventually many machines and animals on earth will develop souls, and face the hard decisions faced by every human every day. I would guess there are alien beings all over the universe who have souls.

The proof of a soul is simple The word soul is just a word attachment to a certain property, like nail or dog, but also a property like love. Nail and dog are physical properties; love and soul are abstract properties, but none the less they are real, measurable, existent, and clearly evident. If you really want to argue that "souls" do not exist, then you have to argue, and prove, that "love" as we understand it in human terms does not exist. Lots of luck with that.

The human soul is as real, and in its way as physical, as human love. Actually they are co-evolved properties of human sapient self- awareness and thus of our nature.

Edited by Mr Walker

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What a long ranting post to try to state your beliefe is right. Take a second to think they are all wrong and man made for agenda. If god was about the human race he would be able to show he was about the human race. He has failed in every possible way.

sorry ment for Bluefinger

He was not ranting at all, the one that started this thread was the one that I believe ranted. His response (bluefingers) was well thought out and presented. If you don't agree, that is good, I would not expect you to ;-), but that does not mean it was a rant. His conclusion was also well worth looking into by everyone, that includes me.

peace

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