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The RB-47 UFO Incident

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While I was researching the Levelland case that occurred in Texas in 1957 I came across this one from the same year. While not as spectacular as the Levelland case, it is significant because the object was detected both with ground radar as well as state of the art on board aircraft radar. There a recording of one of the crew being interviewed about the incident. Natural phenomena can be ruled out because the object tracked the aircraft for some time. The aircraft descends and the object responds as though intelligently controlled. Nothing in 1957 was capable of such maneuvers. Incredibly the case is dismissed by investigators!

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While I was researching the Levelland case that occurred in Texas in 1957 I came across this one from the same year. While not as spectacular as the Levelland case, it is significant because the object was detected both with ground radar as well as state of the art on board aircraft radar. There a recording of one of the crew being interviewed about the incident. Natural phenomena can be ruled out because the object tracked the aircraft for some time. The aircraft descends and the object responds as though intelligently controlled. Nothing in 1957 was capable of such maneuvers. Incredibly the case is dismissed by investigators!

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Just had a thought; this one sounds just like the 'foo fighters' of WW2.

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Hard to say what this was,... if anything at all.

I know that atmospheric plasma is know to react (like it was under intelligent control) to its surroundings, magnetic fields, etc... Once it even reacted to a laser beam that was pointed at it.

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Interesting piece. Sounds like the aliens were playing cat and mouse. :yes:

Another incident that falls into that 'pattern of behavior' of the US Govt. Lie and Coverup are the default positions.

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Count the many reports and weed thru them until your dizzy ,THis Is the problem,Lots of very qualified people have reported,Lots of answers left untold !

Until the day we get absolute proof,I.E. evidence thats physical and undeniable Will we get the answers we need. And even then there will be those that say it isnt real ,or ITs a fake ect !

THe Good thing will be that our minds again will be open to the Universes possibilities ! And If were lucky ! maybe we wont get eaten ! :tu:

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Count the many reports and weed thru them until your dizzy ,THis Is the problem,Lots of very qualified people have reported,Lots of answers left untold !

Until the day we get absolute proof,I.E. evidence thats physical and undeniable Will we get the answers we need. And even then there will be those that say it isnt real ,or ITs a fake ect !

THe Good thing will be that our minds again will be open to the Universes possibilities ! And If were lucky ! maybe we wont get eaten ! :tu:

The UFO's seem too clever to give us absolute proof. Unless they make a mistake, then the military move in and clean up before anyone has chance to see what really happened! :rofl:

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The UFO's seem too clever to give us absolute proof. Unless they make a mistake, then the military move in and clean up before anyone has chance to see what really happened! :rofl:

Until we get a key to the underground we may never know that answer zoser ! But one Keeps Looking ,Keep`s thinking about the possibilities !

I think we just may have some very top secret places that actually study this in full. But until its leaked and proven ITs all Fiction.

I have seen wit my own two eyes some very strange things in Northern New Mexico. But thats another story!

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Until we get a key to the underground we may never know that answer zoser ! But one Keeps Looking ,Keep`s thinking about the possibilities !

I think we just may have some very top secret places that actually study this in full. But until its leaked and proven ITs all Fiction.

I have seen wit my own two eyes some very strange things in Northern New Mexico. But thats another story!

It would be great if you could share these experiences with us Donteatus! That's why we come to the forum!

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Thanks for this, first time I've heard of it, very intriguing.

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Interesting piece. Sounds like the aliens were playing cat and mouse. :yes:

Another incident that falls into that 'pattern of behavior' of the US Govt. Lie and Coverup are the default positions.

Why are you assuming it was Aliens ?! I respect your opinion, but how can you be so sure ?

Very interesting story.

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Why are you assuming it was Aliens ?! I respect your opinion, but how can you be so sure ?

Very interesting story.

Obvious. The "government" didn't admit it was aliens. That must mean it was aliens. :rolleyes:

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interesting story thanks for posting

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Why are you assuming it was Aliens ?! I respect your opinion, but how can you be so sure ?

Very interesting story.

Well it boils down to what really are the options? The classic 3 options have to be 1) Human 2) Natural Phenomena 3) Extra Terrestrial. Very difficult to perceive how it can be 1) or 2) by watching the clip.

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Yes, the "ours or theirs" argument. This is a logical fallacy if I ever saw one.

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Why are you assuming it was Aliens ?! I respect your opinion, but how can you be so sure ?

Very interesting story.

I used the word 'alien' loosely. More accurate would be something like 'the intelligence that was controlling the objects seen by earthlings'.

Whatever caused the phenomenon observed by humans, it was intelligent. Unless one wishes to claim that mass psychosis is responsible. Which I don't.

Humans are arrogant, thinking they know so much.

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If this is the one (sorry, I'm not going to sit thru another overproduced 'revelation') where a radar signal from the UFO passed from behind to in front of the plane (implying it was in flight and moving faster than the plane), there's a pretty simple explanation for that. I worked with that direction finder in my Air Force days and if the 'polarity' switch is in the wrong position - 'vertical' when the radar signal is horizontally polarized and vice versa - then the clock position of the emitting site will be 180 degrees out of position: a site which is at one o'clock will show up as being at seven o'clock and as you pass by will move up-scope, eventually disappearing at twelve o'clock as the actual site is left behind.

IIRC, Philip Klass did discover that the relay the polarity switch controlled had failed.

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Assuming your point is valid PFP, that is only part of the phenomenon. There were visuals too. How do you

'debunk' those?

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One of the classic unsolved UFO cases that also lasted an unusually long time.

And this UFO was also unusual in that it was giving off some kind of signal.

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Dont you just love de-bunkers and Skeptics ? All the believers rally round ! Theres a conspricey afoot ! I just know it !

You cant have Big-Government without it !

And E.T ? Well there just like in the movies ! All around us every where man ! There Out there man !

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Assuming your point is valid PFP, that is only part of the phenomenon. There were visuals too. How do you

'debunk' those?

Not trying to debunk the whole thing, just pointing out there's a simple explanation for one part of it.

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The Air Force took this case really seriously, and part of the investigation was handled outside of normal Blue Book procedures, possibly by the National Security Agency

(NSA), classified codeword Top Secret or under Signals Intelligence (SIGINT). These records are still classified today.

Every UFO researcher knows that it is VERY, VERY difficult to get records classified at this high level, although we all know that plenty of such UFO records exist somewhere.

The signal geing given off by the UFO was not from any other known aircraft or ground insyallation because they checked all that at the time. It was and remains unknown.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:Qj1EqzWBmkQJ:www.nicap.org/reports/RB47_Sparks_Ency.pdf+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

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It is an old case, quite an old case, and the particulars have ben rather shaky. I think UFOlogy relies on old tales with little information to retain the "mysterious" moniker. Advanced alien spacecraft transmitting on local S band huh? Nobody ever thought this was a bit strange?

In any case, the details whilst deep, have been unearthed by none other than Tim Printy. He has broken the incident up into 4 events for the sake of clarity, and raised some very serious questions. The article is several pages long, obviously too long to post here, but here, for anyone wanting to know ALL the facts on this case, please follow THIS LINK to a well set out and detailed report on the incident.

Teaser (for those game enough to click the link)

After landing, the crew was debriefed by the intelligence officer Piwetz. It was his report that added a lot to the RB-47 case file. However, there are portions of his report that appear to be erroneous based on what the air crew would later

state to interviewers:

1. The “up-scope” incident was stated to have occurred near Meridian, MS, when, by all accounts, it occurred near the coast.

2. The report stated both pilot and copilot saw two UFOs simultaneously, when they only reported one.

3. It was stated the plane was near Mineral Wells, Texas at 1055Z, when it was not possible for the plane to reach that location.

Piwetz was convinced the UFO was emitting the signals and stated so in his report. However, this conclusion would be considered somewhat hasty since he seemed to have little data to work with other than notes by McClure and only partial recordings (starting at 1048Z) of the events described.

I should be most interested to see replies to the above-mentioned rebuttal.

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It is an old case, quite an old case, and the particulars have ben rather shaky. I think UFOlogy relies on old tales with little information to retain the "mysterious" moniker. Advanced alien spacecraft transmitting on local S band huh? Nobody ever thought this was a bit strange?

Except that in its Secret report, Blue Book was not able to identify the signal from the UFO, and Air Technicall Intelligence Center could not find any known S-band radars that had these characteristics. They listed it as an unknown, and as we know, Blue Book was especially eager to find "explanations" for all UFOs, but they failed to do so in this case.

http://www.fold3.com/image/#6961897

All of the original Blue Book records are here, and Major Lewis Chase was definite the the signal was from an aurbone object and the UFO was not a conventional aitcraft. It was tracked from the ground as well, and could not have been a civilian or military plane since it did not respond to IFF.

http://www.nicap.org...RB47_report.htm

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Air Defense Command also investigated this incident and in October 1957 reported that was unable to identify the UFO, so it was just listed as unknown.

http://www.fold3.com/image/#6961942

Indeed, this UFO followed the RB-47, and continued emitting the same signal, which was definitely from an airborne source which they also saw visually from time to time.

http://www.ufocasebook.com/rb47.html

I can't explain the actions of the UFO, of course, but there have been some similar events over the years. As for the airliners reported in the case, there were actually two of them and they nearly collided, but this was near El Paso, Texas, not Dallas, and had nothing to do with the RB-37 and its UFO.

Blue Book did not even learn about this incident until several months later, and it seems it was investigated by Air Defense Command, Air Force Intellligence and (probably) other agencies before some of the reports were sent on to Blue Book. I don't think we have the complete record for this incident even today.

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Except that in its Secret report,Blue Book was not able to identify the signal from the UFO, and Air Technicall Intelligence Center could not find any known S-band radars that had these characteristics. They listed it as an unknown, and as we know, Blue Book was especially eager to find "explanations" for all UFOs, but they failed to do so in this case.

http://www.fold3.com/image/#6961897

All of the original Blue Book records are here, and Major Lewis Chase was definite the the signal was from an aurbone object and the UFO was not a conventional aitcraft. It was tracked from the ground as well, and could not have been a civilian or military plane since it did not respond to IFF.

http://www.nicap.org...RB47_report.htm

I would think it is very possible for the signal to remain ambiguous, as there were experimental RADAR units, as well as pretty much every type of S Band unit one could imagine in the immediate vicinity:

There were other ground radars in and are listed in the table on page 9. I am not even sure this table is complete since the military and civilian ASRs might have existed at some airports not listed.

The WSR radars seems to be complete but I may have missed some locations. It appears one might be able to classify the area of Eastern Texas and Oklahoma as an “S-band minefield”!

Airborne Radar

The most common airborne radar that operated in the same frequency range of interest was the AN/APS-20. The “B” version is listed in the table. It was found on several aircraft. Some of these were quite common in 1957.

Another less common airborne S-band radar was the AN/APS-82. It was essentially experimental in 1957 and was fitted on top of the E-1B tracer aircraft (the predecessor of the E-2 Hawkeye aircraft).

It operated at a frequency between 2850-2910 MHZ. The first flight of the prototype was not until December 1956.

The same radar was mounted on a WV-2E in August 1956, which was designated EC-121L.

From the Printy Link:

In a later letter to Klass, McClure continued to describe this incident just as an “up-scope” signal with no “down-scope” component:

I was working the S band when we left the gunnery range and was confronted with a signal moving up scope. I checked it out as to being a spurious response or image and looked for other beams without success. I called the pilots and asked if it was possible we were turning. The front end said negative so I dropped the signal and leisurely changed to L band to work then when I was alerted, I returned in haste to my original freq-whatever it was-......

This description is similar to the one he gave in an even later letter to Klass

I doubt that it was any thing but a happenstance that the signal went up scope at the onset. I know that no other signal acted that way and when I first came back to the signal it was still moving strangely as it hung about 70 degrees for a while.

After that I am sure we were turning so much that it would have made it move funny.

Once again, McClure seems to be convinced that it was only an “up-scope” signal near the Gulf coast.

What this indicates to me is that we have some memory issues here. He is confusing all the events as one, which is where we probably get this “down scope” business after the up-scope readings

We have an ambiguous signal in an S band minefield, with several experimental types being tested, a craft that disappears on cue, conflicting testimonies and the incident relies on a verbal confirmation. I just do not think there is much more to this than a desperate hope? It honestly sounds like some confusion, nothing tangible exists, only stories. It just looks like more UFO padding to be quite honest.

Didn't Blue Book receive a rather belated invitation (mid November) to investigate the event? Considering they were experimenting with RADAR types at the time, it seems somewhat likely that Blue Book was kept away in case they actually did find a good explanation for this case, and perhaps that investigation could have breached security protocols? That certainly does not seem far fetched to me anyway.

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