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Psychic offers Madeleine McCann clues

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John Warne believes that missing Madeleine is alive and well in Minnesota and is now attending college.

Grandfather John Warne is convinced that the schoolgirl was snatched on behalf of an American, and that she is now living in Minnesota and attending college.

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"Mr Warne is convinced that Maddie is alive and well, but knows nothing of her early life".

Well that's the thing isn't it. Even if she is still alive she will have a new life now as far as her parents are concerned, it would be awful if after all this time they finally find her and she doesn't want to know!

I'm also wondering seeing as this is her grandfather, why on earth didn't he come up with this information before now. It sounds a bit iffy to me.

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Cobblers-only an American would think that someone could get into America that easily.

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I'm also wondering seeing as this is her grandfather, why on earth didn't he come up with this information before now. It sounds a bit iffy to me.

I don't think he is her grandfather. I think the article was simply stating that he is a psychic who also happens to be an 82-year old grandfather. You may be right though because my first thought was that the article was implying he was Madeleine's grandfather also.

Whoever wrote the piece didn't do a very good job of letting us know if he is actually related to Madeleine.

As for what he had to say, I hope he's right, or at the very least believes very strongly in what he said. Incorrectly telling the family that Madeleine isn't just alive, but that he knows the state she is living in would be just as rotten as someone telling the parents their daughter is dead without truly knowing.

If I was a parent of a missing child and some psychic made a statement like Mr. Warne's I think I'd be even more distraught than I all ready was on a daily basis for simply knowing my child was taken from me and could be dead, endangered, and / or living a life of misery. To have someone tell me she is alive and living at a certain location would leave me with an almost tortuous feeling of false hope.

Even if I didn't believe him I'd feel compelled to follow his lead because it would be my responsibilty as a parent to do everything I can to find my missing child.

ETA: It doesn't make sense that this psychic said Madeleine's attending college in Minnesota. As far as I can tell, she would only be 9-years old right now - certainly not old enough to attend college (unless the word "college" in England is simply another word for "school" and not reference to a university as it is in America).

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She won't be attending college, at least junior high school

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She won't be attending college, at least junior high school

I was about to say that. They need to ge their stats right before posting news reports -_-

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"Mr Warne is convinced that Maddie is alive and well, but knows nothing of her early life".

Well that's the thing isn't it. Even if she is still alive she will have a new life now as far as her parents are concerned, it would be awful if after all this time they finally find her and she doesn't want to know!

I'm also wondering seeing as this is her grandfather, why on earth didn't he come up with this information before now. It sounds a bit iffy to me.

This psychic is bogus.

Maddie went missing at the age of 4 in 2007 and simple maths shows she wouldnt even be old enough to attend high school yet.

A book was released in Portugal but banned in the UK because the McCanns took legal action against the author. I have linked to it on this website but cant find the Maddie thread. Does anybody recall the authors name?

Anyway the website and book gives the full run down on the case by the Portuguese police -

1. Sniffer dogs trained to detect corpses indicated one had been in the living room of the McCanns holiday apartment, in its kitchen and in the parents bedroom. The dog used has a 100% correct record from 100's of cases.

2. Microscopic blood traces were found on a wall in the apartment but were too small to recover a DNA profile.

3, The McCanns rented a car 14 days after Maddie was reported missing and sniffer dogs indicated a body had been in its boot.

4. Witnesses recall the car boot being open for several days and the McCanns saying it was to air a bad smell from garbage.

5 3 DNA samples were recovered from the boot and one was a 100% match on Maddies DNA. One of the other DNA samples was from decomposition fluids that leak out of a dead body.

6. Sniffer dogs detected the smell of death on the childs soft toy in the flat.

7. The McCanns kept changing their story when being interviewed and were acting strange.

8. Their friends who gave them an allyby kept changing their stories during interview.

9. The Portuguese Police uncovered evidence that the McCanns knew the paedophile originally accused of Maddies disappearance.

10. Britsh police kept a statement filed by a UK doctor who knew the McCanns secret from the Portuguese police. The father had previously made paedophillia comments about oral sex with Maddie.

11. Criminal psycologists researching the case believe the crime was planned before the family went on holiday and that Maddie was the victim of paedophillia.

12. The Portuguese Police were blocked by a Judge during a court session from being allowed to arrest and charge the parents with murder. A secrecy order remains in place on the case to prevent the McCanns from recovering everything the Police know about.

To prosecute they need the chances of success to be over 50%. I suspect the Police cant show from the evidence available that it was murder instead of disposing a body after an accident. That might be why they tried to get the mother to confess Maddie had died in an accident. I think its murder.

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she would be 10 years old next year, so just before junior high school

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Right, now I've read the article again I don't think they are saying that this person is her grandfather. I can see that now on a second look. He is 'a' grandfather but not hers.

As for her age, there's no way she's old enough to attend college. I'm inclined to agree with others on this, either he's a fake or his psychic senses are very mixed up.

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"It sounds a bit iffy to me." ??? Just a bit?

Sounds like total horse sh!t to me.

I could spew out some unverifiable information about Madeleine as well. Does that make me a psychic?

The only unexplained mystery here is that anyone took this idiot seriously in the first place.

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Interesting that this psychic believes that Madeleine McCann is, "...alive, in Minnesota...and, is attending college..."! If she was 4 years-old, when she disappeared, in 2007...and, she's been missing 5 years, how old would that make Miss McCann, today? 9 years-old, today, right??

Or, have I missed something?

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A book was released in Portugal but banned in the UK because the McCanns took legal action against the author. I have linked to it on this website but cant find the Maddie thread. Does anybody recall the authors name?

The name is Gonçalo Amaral, he´s a former Policia Judiciária Agent (kind of Scotland Yard).

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"It sounds a bit iffy to me." ??? Just a bit?

Sounds like total horse sh!t to me.

I could spew out some unverifiable information about Madeleine as well. Does that make me a psychic?

The only unexplained mystery here is that anyone took this idiot seriously in the first place.

That is all psychics do. Yet people still flock to them. I'll never understand it.

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let john warne be. hes growing old and senile. he needs to have some fun in this world before he dies.

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Personally, I still would not of had dinner without my child, let alone leave them in a strange room/ hotel in a strange country.

Psychics? The reality is 1. She was stolen by someone, mentally unstable who genuinely wanted to be a mother, 2. She was made a slave, 3. She's not with us anymore. I only hope for her sake that her scenario is number one, If she was subjected to two you can only hope and pray that shes at peace! :(

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The fact that this guy would even disgrace her family like this just sickens me. These people lost a child and he treats this case as what, a publicity stunt?!

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This psychic is bogus.

This

Hillarious.

Personally, I still would not of had dinner without my child, let alone leave them in a strange room/ hotel in a strange country.

Psychics? The reality is 1. She was stolen by someone, mentally unstable who genuinely wanted to be a mother, 2. She was made a slave, 3. She's not with us anymore. I only hope for her sake that her scenario is number one, If she was subjected to two you can only hope and pray that shes at peace! :(

As someone who followed this case in the past I can clearly say 3 3 3 3 3 3 333333333333333 333333333333 333 3 3 3. 3 is the right answer. Hell, I can even say that I know where the body is, trapped in cement in a nearby construction site. (well at the time it was a construction site)

The fact that this guy would even disgrace her family like this just sickens me. These people lost a child and he treats this case as what, a publicity stunt?!

Fantastic how disinformation gets people to defend criminals, reminds me of the trayvon case, making the defendant a racist, this on a person who has a history of helping same people. (and wont even comment on to the age and situation of each pictures, deletion of facebook comments by the murdered criminal and pictures with lighting changed to make the defendant look white).

Really amazing, guess that's why some people rule the world, the masses are just so easy to deceive. (also to an extent it reminds me of the many incongruences of the jew mass murder reports when it was on trial and the usage of unrelated photos and demolition of previous existing facilities in the camps, not to mention the number of innocent deaths thanks to the allies in comparison to those thanks to the germans)

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The parents use a world feared libel solicitors to sue anyone who dares to public ally question their accounts of the night. They are suing some retired solicitor at the moment trying to get his house, savings and him committed to prison for publishing some leaflet.

The book by that Portuguese cop was banned and they seized all the copies, the ban has been lifted but as far as i know they were never returned. They are suing him as well.

The fighting fund is not even a charity it is a PLC company and doesn't release details of its accounts but its claimed from previous accounts filed only 13% goes to finding the little girl. Investigators hired by them are pretty shady too, two are doing time now (not related) and the other set up some bogus company to pretend to the world he had the resources to find her.

That little cat thing the mother is always clinging to they tried to commercialise, shortly after her disappearance the father had registered some cuddle cat website. They were hoping to sell them presumably.

The most worrying thing is the father reportedly has some child protection number on his record. Some have claimed the file may have been cleansed by a fellow freemason.

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This man knows where Maddie is does he? Well if I was him and was that sure I wouldn't sit there being ignored by the investigators I would get the funds together to find her. She should be easy to track down once he hits Minnesota using his 'abilities', oh but that would expose this story for the lie that it is!

Mr Right Wing & Skookum - Your points are quite interesting and a few of them ring memory bells in my ears. Anything more than points though (links or the name of that book)?

Gand - You lost me!

Edited by Junior Chubb

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This man knows where Maddie is does he? Well if I was him and was that sure I wouldn't sit there being ignored by the investigators I would get the funds together to find her. She should be easy to track down once he hits Minnesota using his 'abilities', oh but that would expose this story for the lie that it is!

Mr Right Wing & Skookum - Your points are quite interesting and a few of them ring memory bells in my ears. Anything more than points though (links or the name of that book)?

Gand - You lost me!

The book is called "truth of the lie" and is by the Portuguese investigator Goncalo Amaral (not sure if I spelt his name right). He has been totally discredited because of an earlier case in the area when a Mother was accused of killing her child and hiding the body. She claims the child was abducted, the police say the child walk in on her having incestrious sex with her brother and they killed her to stop her telling anyone. She claims the police beat a confession out of her.

You can since the European court overturned the ban watch a film called "the truth of the lie" on youtube. I wont post the link but pm me and I will send the link.

If your interested in the case you can read all the files from the Portuguese police which are very eye opening on a website called the mccannfiles http://www.mccannfiles.com/

The only warning I would give is be very careful posting anything you read, there are some fanatical supporters of them out there. The most infamous being muratfan who regularly posts peoples personal details such Facebook links, twitter pages and blogs. He is a very strange individual who claims to be sponsored by the parents solicitors firm.

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The book is called "truth of the lie" and is by the Portuguese investigator Goncalo Amaral (not sure if I spelt his name right). He has been totally discredited because of an earlier case in the area when a Mother was accused of killing her child and hiding the body. She claims the child was abducted, the police say the child walk in on her having incestrious sex with her brother and they killed her to stop her telling anyone. She claims the police beat a confession out of her.

You can since the European court overturned the ban watch a film called "the truth of the lie" on youtube. I wont post the link but pm me and I will send the link.

If your interested in the case you can read all the files from the Portuguese police which are very eye opening on a website called the mccannfiles http://www.mccannfiles.com/

The only warning I would give is be very careful posting anything you read, there are some fanatical supporters of them out there. The most infamous being muratfan who regularly posts peoples personal details such Facebook links, twitter pages and blogs. He is a very strange individual who claims to be sponsored by the parents solicitors firm.

Thanks Skookum,

I will consider the PM. Some interesting points, I won't be planning on posting any content, just interested in seeing another point of view to this and will tread very carefully. I can understand the fanatical supporters, for a supporter this case is heartbreaking.

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You are correct it is a heartbreaking case. I read into it purely from an unsolved crime mystery. Once you get into it you discover that the tragic incident on the 3rd May 2007 isn't the beginning of the story, if anything it is somewhere in the middle.

What has got me the most is how everyone seems to have a connection with each other, even though they claim not to know each other. A prime example is a young lady called Pennington. She arrived at the resort a day before the little girl vanished to work in the creche. Turns out under a different name (she admits she changed it) she worked in a maternity ward in New Zealand some years before, the same ward and time that Kate McCann happened to work!!

The local guy called Murat, who was the only other suspect in the case worked in the doctors home county as an interpreter for the police. He was receiving calls from the UK police throughout his suspect status. Two weeks before the incident he was also in the UK visiting friends (I think it was Dorset), just happened to be a stones throw from the homes of some of the Tapas 7. Gerry McCann refused to answer whether he knew Murat before the incident, the Tapas 7 deny knowing him.

As you go even further you discover how heavily involved Gordon Brown (then Chancellor) became involved. Why would he? Well his brother Andrew is the head of the nuclear power industry UK, Gerry McCann had been personally selected to be a member of his COMARE board, they were investigating whether radiation leaks had been the cause of increased child cancer near power stations. Somewhere I have read that the UK police interviewed Andrew because they believe he was in Portugal at the same time of this incident and returned home the next day. I can't say that is a 100% true as I can't find the source now, but certainly weird as the doctors had requested an extra bed for the villa.

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Psychics.....right. This 82 year old grandfather is not a psychic, he is either a liar or suffers from dimentia. This story is not newsworthy and this charlatan should be ashamed of himself using this family's tradgedy to get his name in the paper.

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I heard one psychic say that the girls were drugged to sleep so the parents could play and the drugs killed Madeliene. Very, very interesting angle.

What if it WAS the family who killed her? Freak things happen everyday.

I suspend judgement on this.

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As a sharp eyed new (still validating) member said

Mr. Warne has often mentioned madeline is attending college. Is he aware that she was just shy of 4 yrs old when went missing in 2007? That would make her roughly 9 years old. Why hasnt anyone else noticed this? Id think itd be pretty easy to locate a 9 yr old going to college. Is she a child prodegy? Im always dumbfounded when a statement that seems so illogical doesnt get questioned. Do Brits call elementary school college perhaps? please elaborate if Ive missed something.

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