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Of which you have absolutely no evidence for and have avoided this question:

Tell us who in their right mind would concoct a plane that requires a 757 to go missing, 757 parts to be found at the site (which is a tourist location by the way), witnesses that will see a 757, but then crash something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT?

The Pentagon is a tourist location? Yes, I learn something every day. The Pentagon is kinda like Disney World! :whistle:

Nobody is claiming that the planners and perpetrators of the events of the day were in their right mind Frenat. Indeed, it's safe to say they were criminally insane.

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The Pentagon is a tourist location? Yes, I learn something every day. The Pentagon is kinda like Disney World! :whistle:

Nobody is claiming that the planners and perpetrators of the events of the day were in their right mind Frenat. Indeed, it's safe to say they were criminally insane.

And Babe Ruth comes in to continue trolling where the previous left off. What a surprise!

Yes it is a tourist location. No it is not like Disney World.

Your answer is insufficient and I don't need an answer from you. I already know you're a troll and haven't thought most of this through. Everyone here already knows it is impossible to have a rational discussion with you and you'll never provide evidence for anything.

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We all agree on the evidence Frenat. At least the evidence that remains for public view. Which means NOT the evidence in Iron Mountain.

Our differences come from INTERPETATION of the evidence, nothing more. That is, who does one believe? Which group of "experts" does one believe?

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Nobody is claiming that the planners and perpetrators of the events of the day were in their right mind Frenat. Indeed, it's safe to say they were criminally insane.

The Muslim terrorist knew what they were doing and the United States was warned by countries around the world of terrorist intentions to strike America.

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We all agree on the evidence Frenat. At least the evidence that remains for public view. Which means NOT the evidence in Iron Mountain.

Our differences come from INTERPETATION of the evidence, nothing more. That is, who does one believe? Which group of "experts" does one believe?

We have evidence supporting the official story, but none supporting a 'false flag' operation.

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Our differences come from INTERPETATION of the evidence, nothing more. That is, who does one believe? Which group of "experts" does one believe?

Ah..."Who does one believe"? That's a very telling question. Not surprising, but telling, nonetheless.

Actually, it's pure science--belief has nothing to do with it. One can know in science. This issue is about scientific understanding, not about your beliefs.

Your "positions" and the associated conceptual mental meanderings are founded not upon knowledge. They are founded upon belief, and I think somwhat in fantasy. It's almost like a religious thing for people like you, who don't actually have any subject matter knowledge, to say that no airplane crashed into the field in Shanksville, PA (you know, where we now have that memorial funded by a bunch of people who know, and where specialists in fields you really don't comprehend proved that it was UA93), or that no airplane crashed into the Pentagon, when oddly enough, people who know lots detertmined conclusively that it was an AA flight (#77) that did infact crash there, and where knowledgeable people also constructed a memorial there.

It's nearly insane to insist upon such things, when knowledge clearly shows that both incidents happened, as claimed. It's been proven, conclusively.

Your beliefs, however, can't be proven . Indeed, your statements, in light of the well known truth, don't exactly make you look too great on this board. So, no matter how often you will attempt to illustrate your experience as a pilot, instructing, and crop dusting--no matter how often you endevor to impress us with your engineering credentials and your vast aeronautical and engineering accumen, you will always look as foolish as you have looked, because people who do know about these things--really--are here, and you are about as obvious a charlatan as there is.

So, you may believe anyone or any group of "experts" you want to. I'd like to know the ones who taught you that it takes a supersonic aircraft to make a crater in the ground!! :w00t:

Personally, I prefer the actual scientific studies done, by people who don't believe, but who know ahat they're talking about and who do investigations, of things like 9-11, and air xcrashes and other disasters, for a living!

You, a person who does offense to the families and friends of the 2977 who died in the WTC towers in New York City, or in the Pentagon, or in that field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania, neeed not speak anymore. Go believe whoever you want.

It's worth a laugh every now and then to see you expound. But someone's gonna get irritated with your nonsense.

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Boy, Kludge...that AN.UNNA.KI ws a few hours of adventure, eh?

:w00t:

Well, (he says trying to remain cognizant of his surroundings because this damned whatever it is came back) he was a class act ... by the same definition that lilqwert was and BR is a class act.

You were right. It doesn't take the staff long to act on blatant trolling here!

:tu::tsu::tu:

Ah, yes. My beloved, Her Most Divine Preciousness, DotNM, is good at such things as is fellow dog-lover and all around pretty cool lady, Lilly.

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We all agree on the evidence Frenat. At least the evidence that remains for public view.

Great, so we can now agree that the photographic evidence of 757 wreckage were those of AAL Flight 77.

Glad we can finally come to an agreement on that.

Which means NOT the evidence in Iron Mountain.

Iron Mountain is not a Government backed company. It is a storage facility used by many businesses and government organizations. You make it out to seem like a super secret government facility.

It is not.

Our differences come from INTERPETATION of the evidence, nothing more. That is, who does one believe? Which group of "experts" does one believe?

Quite funny how one expert (Cimino) can spout off that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon when 130+ eye witnesses (who were at the scene I might add) stated it did.

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It's worth a laugh every now and then to see you expound. But someone's gonna get irritated with your nonsense.

That, sir, was an exceptional post. :nw: :nw: :nw: :nw: :nw:

backing up a bit ...

So, no matter how often you will attempt to illustrate your experience as a pilot, instructing, and crop dusting--no matter how often you endevor to impress us with your engineering credentials and your vast aeronautical and engineering accumen, you will always look as foolish as you have looked, because people who do know about these things--really--are here, and you are about as obvious a charlatan as there is.

That has been obvious from the beginning. He is not a pilot and has no understanding of either aeronautics or engineering. All he can do is attempt to bluff using his vast "life experiences" which consist of reading the assorted truther sites and parroting what they say, faking credentials as needed. Isn't it interesting how quickly his "superior knowledge" crumbled in the face of facts and the real world knowledge and experience of people like you, Sky, Cz, Frenat and others.

On a positive note, between here and Tantalizing Testimony (which isn't really but it is fun), I've managed to earn three more gold stars, most of which came from here. Eye luvz me Gold Stars,eye duz. :yes: :yes: (Actually, #2 was easy since I came in with 96 posts from a Roswell-related thread.)

I am a little disappointed I couldn't do the Hani Maneuver for BR, though. That's something I would have made a rather large bet on with him and used the money won to finish the work on the truck. :tsu: :tsu:

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Great, so we can now agree that the photographic evidence of 757 wreckage were those of AAL Flight 77.

Glad we can finally come to an agreement on that.

Huh? He finally came around on that? Wow, will miracles never cease!

Iron Mountain is not a Government backed company. It is a storage facility used by many businesses and government organizations. You make it out to seem like a super secret government facility.

Actually, he stated quite firmly that it is. But then there's the tricky part. He claimed the remains of UAL093 were located there ... you know, the airplane that didn't crash at Shanksville.

Quite funny how one expert (Cimino) can spout off that Flight 77 did not hit the Pentagon when 130+ eye witnesses (who were at the scene I might add) stated it did.

But, y'see, those 130+ eye witnesses are all part of the conspiracy. Only Cimino knows the real truth, doncha know.

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Iron Mountain is not a Government backed company. It is a storage facility used by many businesses and government organizations. You make it out to seem like a super secret government facility.

Actually, he stated quite firmly that it is. But then there's the tricky part. He claimed the remains of UAL093 were located there ... you know, the airplane that didn't crash at Shanksville.

Based on his posts, I think BR is of the belief that Iron Mountain is actually a mountain with a storage facility in it.

Cz

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No Raptor, we interpret that evidence differently. Some see the remains of a Boeing at the Pentagon, some do not. Some say the FDR confirms the official story, some see it as manipulated.

It doesn't matter who owns or controls Iron Mountain. The relevant point here is that the official story has it that the debris from one or more of the aircraft is stored there, and whoever is in control will not let the public view said debris.

130 eye witnesses to impact? :w00t: Who are you, Johnny Carson reincarnated? ROFLMAO

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MID

Right you are sir--who any ordinary citizen believes in this controversy is very telling.

Does one believe a conglomeration of known liars advancing an agenda, or does one believe a conglomeration of concerned citizens with serious questions and specialized training?

Does one believe a group who sees airplanes where others cannot, or does one believe a group who visited the site that day and reported no airplane?

Those might be tough decisions for yourself, but not for me.

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MID

Right you are sir--who any ordinary citizen believes in this controversy is very telling.

Does one believe a conglomeration of known liars advancing an agenda, or does one believe a conglomeration of concerned citizens with serious questions and specialized training?

Does one believe a group who sees airplanes where others cannot, or does one believe a group who visited the site that day and reported no airplane?

Those might be tough decisions for yourself, but not for me.

I know they're not for you. That's why...

Your response is weak. Very weak.

And those known liars advancing an agenda are?

And those folks with serious questions and specialized training are? :yes:

:w00t:

And that "group" reporting they saw no airtplane there are?

Certainly not the hundred and some who did see one, in both places? :w00t:

And about the discussion of belief v. knowledge. You don't address that.

Understood completely--you can't. :no:

Thus, you lost here BR. Long ago, but most assuredly now. As I said, believe who you wish. But don't pass it off as some specialized knowledge and experience.

Oh, and that supersonic requirement to leave acrater upon impact? A 40,000 lb aircraft at 1M has an impact energy of about 25% of a 757 at cruise speed.

Where did that come from again?

:td::no::td:

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No Raptor, we interpret that evidence differently. Some see the remains of a Boeing at the Pentagon, some do not.

Considering that wreckage recovered at the Pentagon is consistent with that of a B-757,what more is there to say? If anyone wanted further confirmation that the aircraft was a B-757, all they had to do was to call American Airlines, operator of American 77.

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Does one believe a group who sees airplanes where others cannot, or does one believe a group who visited the site that day and reported no airplane?

Who reported they saw no airplane at the Pentagon when there was aircraft wreckage everywhere? I can safely say that one thing they didn't see at the Pentagon was that P700 anti-ship missile you threw in recently.

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Well, (he says trying to remain cognizant of his surroundings because this damned whatever it is came back) he was a class act ... by the same definition that lilqwert was and BR is a class act.

Ah, yes. My beloved, Her Most Divine Preciousness, DotNM, is good at such things as is fellow dog-lover and all around pretty cool lady, Lilly.

Copy all, K. And you're free of the nonsense, thanks to Dot an Lil!

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Based on his posts, I think BR is of the belief that Iron Mountain is actually a mountain with a storage facility in it.

Cz

Actually, it is a storage facility in Penn State.

Bill Gates has his priceless photo collection there. It's a pretty neat storage facility and very high tech.

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The relevant point here is that the official story has it that the debris from one or more of the aircraft is stored there, and whoever is in control will not let the public view said debris.

Unlike where exactly? Where do they allow the public to view any aircraft debris? In order for this fact to be 'suspicious', wouldn't there need to be something unusual about it, by definition?

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See ! we really need to cut out all the GMO`s in our food chain in this country ! Look what its doing to our Grey matter! :alien::no:

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Actually, it is a storage facility in Penn State.

Bill Gates has his priceless photo collection there. It's a pretty neat storage facility and very high tech.

Yes... I am aware of this...

That particular facility near Boyers, PA (one of over 1,000 facilities they operate) is located in an underground former limestone mine, was a storage facility from the mid 50's, was purchased by Iron Mountain in 1998, and the name "Iron Mountain" comes not from it being located in a mountain, but from the company founder Herman Knaust's previous line of work of growing mushrooms in a depleted iron ore mine in Livingston, New York that he called "Iron Mountain".

Apparently you missed the actual point of my post... :)

Cz

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It is a safe bet that IF the evidence were on their side, the guys at the Pentagon would have it blasted all over the mainstream media. But they don't, and that strongly suggests the evidence is NOT on their side.

I agree.....it's a safe bet.

But with all cover-ups...the problem BECOMES the cover-up.

Citizens of the US might not be too happy about it....if a cover-up was ever admitted.

That's why I don't think there will be any kind of closure and agreement about 9/11 in our lifetime....

Possibly never.

But still we carry on 'discussing'....I'm relatively new to it all, (a couple of years).....and the topic isn't dead to me as I'm still

learning things about it....but I have to dip in and out of it all, as the subject can become very addictive and obsessive.... :D

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Yes Bee, for the curious amongst us the matter will never be settled because the government has closed the case.

LG

There is at least one TV news story, and it has been linked to here, claiming that the wreckage of one of the aircraft, I think 93 but I'm not certain, is stored in Iron Mountain. I've never been there, so I don't know. Sure, maybe the TV station was simply making up the story out of whole cloth, but most likely, in accordance with the way the mainstream media works these days, the story was simply a regurgitation of a government press release.

But more importantly, under FOIA citizens can request certain information and documentation from the government. I have participated in such a request. It's not difficult, and most of the time it works fine it seems, but many times the government balks. Last year the Obama administration was caught with its britches down as it devised ways to frustrate the FOIA process.

Anyway, if you think you have a chance of viewing the wreckage of 93, wherever it may be hidden, have at it. Nobody will be shown that wreckage. High probability that it doesn't exist.

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Anyway, if you think you have a chance of viewing the wreckage of 93, wherever it may be hidden, have at it. Nobody will be shown that wreckage. High probability that it doesn't exist.

You are not coming in clear at all, because It has already been determined why all four airliners crashed. Steel from the WTC buildings was examined by investigators at the Fresh Kills landfill and NO evidence of controlled demolitions was ever found.

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