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With the UK economy exporting banking and services while being an importer of food and petroleum we are limited in what actions we can take to balance the books. Austerity, quantitive easing and tax-cuts are pretty much all we can do. All are ineffective while we are coupled to the EU when it comes to kick starting the economy. The depression will last until the EU sorts itself out.

In global depressions its oddly enough countries like North Korea which are most able to resist the hardship. If everybody earns the same and the nation is self-sufficent you can hyper-inflate the debt away. But North Korea is also very poor with a low quality of life.

I disagree that the NHS is efficent. It has a tall management structure, people in it earn a state wage not one they would get in the private sector, drug prices are fixed artifically high and there is too much beaurcracy. The Americans had it right before Obama meddled. There is also the point that poor service provided by a privite company also costs it customers so there is pressure to perform.

doctors,nurses and medical admin staff get paid more in private hospitals than they do in the NHS.or would you advocate privatising the NHS and then putting them all on minimum wage because they didnt go to eton ?

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Under the NHS someone of poor health becomes a financial burdon on the state but under private healthcare they quickly reach the point where they cant afford treatment.

The important thing to remember here is that every peice of Socialism needs to be paid for through taxes. Higher taxes which usually target the commercial sector drive up business costs making them less competitive. The result is lower exports and higher imports. The British GDP is artifically low because of the high taxes in the state which are needed to pay for all the socialism.

Do you like paying council tax? income tax? NICs? VAT on fuel? VAT? road tax?

Do businesses like paying employee NICs and high corporation taxes?

Do you like paying your share of keeping 500,000 in prison cells?

Do you like paying for the pointless education of millions who wont get to use their qualifications?

If all the socialism was stripped out and taxes decimated the UK would very quickly become the worlds leading economic superpower. We were 100 years ago before all the above bs was introduced.

i really dont mind paying my taxes i do mind they being used as tax credits so rich companys can pay there staff crap wages.some big companys have benefit advisers who work out how many hours a member of staff is better off working without it effecting there tax credits.well here is a novel idea pay the staff a decent wage and our tax burden will fall it isnt rocket science but greed at the top once again will not allow this to happen.

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doctors,nurses and medical admin staff get paid more in private hospitals than they do in the NHS.or would you advocate privatising the NHS and then putting them all on minimum wage because they didnt go to eton ?

A distortion.

The amount of private hospitals in the UK is low and they naturally employ the best staff. Under a privatised system all medical staff would be employed by the private sector. They would be paid what they are worth as set by the demand for their skills. Medical staff would still be an in demand job so their wages would still be high but instead of paying a placcy surgeon £250,000 a year he'd be on £100,000 (as an example).

The difference between private and public education is the types of youngsters your children are exposed to. Many children in public schools are toxic and they affect the lives of the other children they come into contact with. Toxic people find it hard getting anywhere in life so its rare they can afford to send their own kids to a private school. The quality of education received at both is the same. Also you cant educate an idiot no matter if you sent him to the best school on earth.

We should segregate children in the lower class. By bringing back grammer schools we can remove those that have potential from the rest so they can achieve the social mobility they're capable off.

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i really dont mind paying my taxes i do mind they being used as tax credits so rich companys can pay there staff crap wages.some big companys have benefit advisers who work out how many hours a member of staff is better off working without it effecting there tax credits.well here is a novel idea pay the staff a decent wage and our tax burden will fall it isnt rocket science but greed at the top once again will not allow this to happen.

Where have you worked? (If you dont mind me asking)

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Another lefty comes out of the woodwork!

Surely in the language of your rabid right wing rants, we would be 'Reds coming out from under the beds"

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doctors,nurses and medical admin staff get paid more in private hospitals than they do in the NHS.or would you advocate privatising the NHS and then putting them all on minimum wage because they didnt go to eton ?

Don't be crazy, he's already said he's opposed to the minimum wage ;)

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Don't be crazy, he's already said he's opposed to the minimum wage ;)

lol

Doctors, nurses and specialists are valued members of society but they should still be on private wages not state salaries. They should also be paid what they're worth. I'm happy for a brain surgeon to be earning half a million a year but only if he/she deserves it.

Many at the bottom of society arent worth minimum wage so its wrong to pay them that. Lazy, unproductive, unskilled, incompetant employees should be on £3 an hour. They are not valuable to a business or society.

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The irony is that as the economy expanded, unemployment would drop and then wages would rise.

yes, because in the great capitalist utopia that is the US, everyone is paid a sensible and appropriate wage, more then enough to live on and afford all the luxuaries od life like being able to see a GP when you're sick.

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Just to debunk the contention that the American system is more efficient, here is the conclusion of a US Government review of administrative costs comparing the US system to the Canadian system (comparable to the UK system). Its main conclusion is;

Most of the empirical literature on administrative costs

compare the U.S. and Canadian health care systems. These

studies indicate that administering the Canadian system con-

sumes a substantially smaller proportion of health care spend-

ing than does the U.S. system. Imposition of a Canadian-style

system in the United States would substantially reduce admin-

istrative costs, although estimates of those savings range wide-

ly (from $47 billion to $98 billion in 1991 U.S. dollars).

http://docs-europe.e...66b810fb25c.pdf

So the multi-insurer administration model is inherently more inefficient than the single provider model followed in Canada and the UK. The Canadian system has the secondary benefit of offering equal access to health provision such that those on minimum wage jobs do not have to face second class service or die from lack of provision.

I think that if the British public were asked the simple question of which system they would choose - we can all guess what the answer would be (here's a hint - not the one suggested by by Mr Right Wing. Maybe he believe that the people are to ignorant to make the Right choice).

Br Cornelius

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Where have you worked? (If you dont mind me asking)

Seeing as you've asked the question.

What do you do?

How do you serve our great nation?

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lol

Doctors, nurses and specialists are valued members of society but they should still be on private wages not state salaries. They should also be paid what they're worth. I'm happy for a brain surgeon to be earning half a million a year but only if he/she deserves it.

Many at the bottom of society arent worth minimum wage so its wrong to pay them that. Lazy, unproductive, unskilled, incompetant employees should be on £3 an hour. They are not valuable to a business or society.

Having read a lot of your posts now, I can honestly say that I find your brand of extreme social Darwinism to be utterly odious.

I can't think of anyone less qualified to judge the relative worth of members of our society than someone like you.

You should read 'A Christmas Carol' Lots of exploited poor people, you'll enjoy the beginning, although from your point of view it doesn't end well.

This line reminds me of you.

"Oh God! to hear the insect on the leaf pronouncing on the too much life among his hungry brothers in the dust!"

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Just to debunk the contention that the American system is more efficient, here is the conclusion of a US Government review of administrative costs comparing the US system to the Canadian system (comparable to the UK system). Its main conclusion is;

http://docs-europe.e...66b810fb25c.pdf

So the multi-insurer administration model is inherently more inefficient than the single provider model followed in Canada and the UK. The Canadian system has the secondary benefit of offering equal access to health provision such that those on minimum wage jobs do not have to face second class service or die from lack of provision.

I think that if the British public were asked the simple question of which system they would choose - we can all guess what the answer would be (here's a hint - not the one suggested by by Mr Right Wing. Maybe he believe that the people are to ignorant to make the Right choice).

Br Cornelius

Your link is a comparison between the US and Canada not the UK.

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Many at the bottom of society arent worth minimum wage so its wrong to pay them that. Lazy, unproductive, unskilled, incompetant employees should be on £3 an hour. They are not valuable to a business or society.

I think it's safe to say from that sentence that you have never run your own business have you? No of course you haven't. I'm not going to pay £3.00 p/h to someone for being lazy and unproductive (no business would). I'm going to go through the disciplinary procedure so they can improve, and if they don't they're sacked and replaced with someone else, and they'll be paid the minimum wage as a start, and more if the business growth allows it.

As for incompetent and unskilled, incompetents can come from little more then lack of training, that's easily overcome. Unskilled? really, many many jobs in this country are classed as unskilled, and yet remain essential.

You haven't thought this through very well have you, as usual.

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Your link is a comparison between the US and Canada not the UK.

The Canadian system is much more like the UK system than it is the American one. Your just dodging the issue now.

Since you attempted to dodge the actual issue - take a look at this for some very compelling evidence;

http://www.forbes.com/sites/toddhixon/2012/03/01/why-are-u-s-health-care-costs-so-high/

To quote;

The U.S. spent about $7,000 per capita in 2008 on health care. Peer countries, like Japan and the U.K., spend about half that amount and achieve equally good results, as measured, for example, by life expectancy at birth. That comparison is captured in the famous Mary Meeker graph, Chart 1. It shows that the gap is about $3,500 per person in the U.S. ($1.1 trillion for the 305 million U.S. residents).

Why don't you just be the man and admit that you are wrong ??

Br Cornelius

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Seeing as you've asked the question.

What do you do?

How do you serve our great nation?

I got a degree, discovered sales was one of the highest paid jobs in the land and stuck to that. Meanwhile I'm doing my second degree which is to allow me to start and run my own business.

My average weekly wage is about £2500

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I think it's safe to say from that sentence that you have never run your own business have you? No of course you haven't. I'm not going to pay £3.00 p/h to someone for being lazy and unproductive (no business would). I'm going to go through the disciplinary procedure so they can improve, and if they don't they're sacked and replaced with someone else, and they'll be paid the minimum wage as a start, and more if the business growth allows it.

As for incompetent and unskilled, incompetents can come from little more then lack of training, that's easily overcome. Unskilled? really, many many jobs in this country are classed as unskilled, and yet remain essential.

You haven't thought this through very well have you, as usual.

I didnt want to appear to be mean but yes sack them all.

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I got a degree, discovered sales was one of the highest paid jobs in the land and stuck to that. Meanwhile I'm doing my second degree which is to allow me to start and run my own business.

My average weekly wage is about £2500, I'm self-employed and practice tax evasion which I can admit as no one knows who I am. Last year I didnt pay a penny in tax and yes I'm a member of the Conservative Party lol.

Mum is a retired armed escort for the MOD, dad is a retired warrent officer and both left at the end of the Iraq war. I went to Havel High in Berlin - http://www.classmate...gh-School/21260 - and we have a mayor, ex mayor, councillor and ex MP in the family.

We are upper middle class and quite wealthy.

So there you go. You contribute nothing and are just in 'it' for yourself. Thatchers Tory dream of greed for its own sake come true.

You take from the system and don't want to contribute to it. You are happy to reap the benefits of other peoples contributions and sacrifices but are basically little more than a parasite.

Sales! Oh most 'worthy' of professions.

What makes your 'profession' any more worthy than streetcleaner, coal miner, or factory worker?

You think your 2.5k a week gives you the right to look down on others because you base your sense of self worth on nothing more than earning potential.

I would be hard pressed to think of a more sad and shallow existence.

But from reading your posts, I conclude that you are still young. So I hope for your sake that life shows you how misguided you are. There is still time.

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I got a degree, discovered sales was one of the highest paid jobs in the land and stuck to that. Meanwhile I'm doing my second degree which is to allow me to start and run my own business.

My average weekly wage is about £2500

Too late with the edit. ;)

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I didnt want to appear to be mean but yes sack them all.

Appearing merely 'mean' would require a detoxification and rebranding of your 'image' that Saatchi & Saatchi would be proud of.

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It's interesting though that when asked 'what you do' and how you 'serve our great nation' you avoided specifics of your 'profession' and instead answered with figures of remuneration, vague qualifications and the achievements of other family members. While bragging about evading paying tax.

Very telling.

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Who was it said "anyone who doesn't pay tax is scum, anyone who pays all their tax is a fool"?

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Love the way Mr Right Wing admits to tax evasion saying, ''it's ok, nobody knows who I am'', then goes on to give enough information about his family and old school to trace him within a few hours. (If one wished to of course lol)

Maybe that;s why he tried to edit it. :)

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doctors,nurses and medical admin staff get paid more in private hospitals than they do in the NHS.or would you advocate privatising the NHS and then putting them all on minimum wage because they didnt go to eton ?

It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it. --Thomas Sowell

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it's perhaps worth observing to mr. Survival of the Fittest that "Many at the bottom of society" who are doing the jobs on minimum wage, but nevertheless "arent worth" even that, are in fact doing the jobs that keep society trundling along, and which people who boast about (for example) the Degrees that they have, would not possibly ever lower themselves to do.

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Does anyone scent hints of Walter Mitty complex here, I wonder?

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