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Is this the Loch Ness Monster?

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I love the Nessie mystery but this is obviously a tourism boost. :yes:

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I'll believe it's the Lock Ness Monster when they have a carcass, or a picture of the whole creature.

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Another story for the Loch Ness Monster..Seems it has become popular

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My guess is it's a sturgeon , or a log floating in the water. But I'm waiting on the report to be published by the military "Monster Experts". Wonder how long that will take?

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Given this is Daily Fail stuff I'm not sure it is worth pursuing, but let's give them the benefit of the doubt..

Out of interest, there are several clues* that this image was taken with a reasonably wide field of view, say about 28-35mm equiv. That being the case, and assuming the photographer is up on the deck of the sort of mid-sized vessel that the other photo indicates, I'll lay a sizable bet that thing was less than 150 yards from him. If it's about a half mile away as claimed, I'll eat my hat.

Of course he had to make the claim it was far away, as if it is close it is obviously way too small...

I'm happy to elaborate on why I think it is much closer, but I'd prefer to keep that up my sleeve just in case ... for now I'll just say I'd like to see that image at full-resolution including exif data, and I'd also like to see a shot of that boat showing where the person was standing with his camera when it was taken. I think a bit of fairly simple photogrammetry might show that the truth about the distance and size of the object is somewhat different to what is being claimed. Why not come over to UM and discuss, Skipper George Edwards? And to Steve Feltham, the local expert - why does he refer to images, plural, when only one has been shown? And what techniques did he apply to his analysis, I wonder?

I note George says that he can't say anything about the USA 'monster experts'... Well, that's pretty dang convenient and I certainly believe him, oh yes I do.. I just want to know how he found and got in touch with them in the first place.. I'm afraid I'm not buying into his claim that they have properly analysed it - indeed, if they have, let's see the analysis, thanks, George...

BTW, I see George does the odd bit of advertising, but seriously, he needs a new portrait photographer who can tell him to not stare fixedly into the camera .. :P

Hi Charles.,

I agree completely with you. The first inconsistency I noticed with his story is this..... That photo was never taken from half a mile away. If it was, the boat would have had to be an extremely tall boat for that angle to be achieved.

I think this guy has just got frustrated at trying to find a non-existant creature for the last 26 years and has fabricated his story to make it sound more feasable. Why do these people do this when it doesnt take rocket science to show they are trying to deceive? Anyone with a basic knowledge of photography can see the pitfalls in his story!

Having said all that, I know from experience that when a paper gets hold of a photograph they very often put their own words into print and not those of the original photographer so I now tend to read such things with a pinch of salt lol :)

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Yeah, 19 years following Nessie and this guy goes out without a video camera. You can get an HD video camera that fits in your pocket for less than $50 bucks. As pointed out just one of the many holes in this story.

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His camera had been confiscated by the US monster investigating division.

Did you know the monster investigating division closed down both Canon and Fuji for 24 hours becuase of a tip that film showing Mothman and a Sasquatch mating existed?

No officials from Fuji or Canon were available for comment. They directed all inquiries to the US Monster Investigating Division, Stall 5, Men's Lavatory, behind the Pentagon, Washington DC.

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it could just be some kind of normal animal that got released into the lake for example some kind of dolphin or shark

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Finally a good clear picture of Nessie, mine you, you got to ask yourselves a few questions before accepting it.

This photo was taken by a Nessie hunter so he should have good equipment etc, hence the good quality photo, but no matter how good the equipment it can't teleport the cameraman and boat into a prime position 1/2 a mile away just to get a better picture. (bottom left of picture shows something and shadow on the water indicates item is near the boat and not 1/2 mile away)

Quote "He said he had watched the object for between five and ten minutes before it slowly sank below the surface."

So where is the Video and other photo's, no Nessie hunter would take a single snapshot.

FAKE Nessie But have you noticed the invisible UFO top right of the photo, now that's real

Edited by Ratbiter

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Nice photo of something. Something that definitely moved, you can clearly see the ripples, so if it’s a hoax, then it’s one decent hoax with actual object placed in the water, not some cheap photo manipulation.

I don’t know why it’s so hard to believe Nessie could exist, an endemic species, shy and elusive.

So, even if it’s not Nessie, the link was worth clicking, Loch Ness looks wonderful. I wish I could spend a week or two there :yes:

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This the video?

Trying to find the original clip

Here it is again, but stabilized:

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0JDN8Dxark

George Edwards, a Scottish skipper who spent decades searching for the beast said to inhabit Loch Ness, claims to have finally spotted his elusive quarry and gotten what he calls photographic proof of the monster.

The film is stabilized with Adobe aftereffects.

Music: Seemann by Rammstein

I think it's just a floating tree trunk.

(And yes, this is more than just one photo. Please READ all the posts, lol!!)

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Edited by Abramelin

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Well, if that is indeed related video (strange how no video was mentioned in any of the news stories..), then it is very clear that Nessie is in fact motionless and stone dead. Bereft of life, restin' in peace, pushin' up the daisies, metabolic processes now history, off the twig, kicked the bucket, shuffled off this mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible..

Yes, clearly... dead. But wait - that means Cap'n Unsteady knows where it sank, and he can now round up funding for an underwater expedition to go get the carcass!!

Holy Baltic Anomaly Clone, Batman.. I'm sure he can hear the cash registers ringing merrily..

Or .... and I'm going out on a limb here (geddit), maybe it's a flamin' log drifting by.

And can someone please tell Cap'n Unsteady that he could have leant against something (gee, maybe the handrail..?) to hold his camera still. I mean, it's not like dem huge waves were tossing his little boat around... :rolleyes: Save me.

Oh well, any publicity..

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Something that definitely moved, you can clearly see the ripples..

Ripples are caused by waves or currents around an object. They most certainly do not mean the object is moving of its own accord, or even moving at all. The video shows no sign whatsoever of directed motion. And shooting a log in the water is much cheaper than any cheap photo manipulation.. :D

Of course there are many species we haven't encountered yet. But a huge creature in a relatively confined area that has been rigorously scanned in many ways numerous times? At some point you need to let go of the desire for it to be true...

I do agree it's a lovely place, but if I go there I won't be giving any money to Cap'n George's tourist operation.

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looks to me like shallow water with a rock protuding the surface,no way is it half amile away and no way can you tell its moving.publicity stunt written all over it in my opinion

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Ripples are caused by waves or currents around an object. They most certainly do not mean the object is moving of its own accord, or even moving at all. The video shows no sign whatsoever of directed motion. And shooting a log in the water is much cheaper than any cheap photo manipulation.. :D

Of course there are many species we haven't encountered yet. But a huge creature in a relatively confined area that has been rigorously scanned in many ways numerous times? At some point you need to let go of the desire for it to be true...

I do agree it's a lovely place, but if I go there I won't be giving any money to Cap'n George's tourist operation.

Those ripples do look to me like the object itself was moving. Not that I’m professional ripple or monster specialist :lol:

Which is cheaper, that’s questionable. I’d shop it for free if it’s for the good cause :D so you wouldn’t have to drag logs around, watching for nosy cryptid hunters. Logs look more natural than photo manipulation, now that’s an argument pro-log theory.

There’s a giant snake in a karst lake over here. That lake is completely dry for few months a year and still the legend goes on and still people claim they saw the giant snake crawling back into its waters.

It’s less hard to believe in shy giant snake of the karst lake than in the common eel. They live in both local rivers and the sea, salinity doesn't bother them at all, their blood is poisonous, they can survive freezing... why am I ranting about eels? To illustrate how impossible eel is, something that should exist only in deranged fairytales. But eels are real and we know they are simply because there used to be plenty of them, while Nessie is – if she is – of very rare kind.

Maybe eels really have a giant cousin that can also slither away on solid ground, to hide in a humid cave until the water is back or until tourists are gone. Maybe it’s watching you from the nearby bushes as you stare into the water :D

Or maybe it’s not.

Either way, I see no reason to jump on people who filmed Nessie/log/overturned boat/fat eel/large otter/USO with religious disbelief.

You think it’s a log, fine, I think it’s a giant snake also known as the dragon, that lives in karst lakes and somehow got stranded in Scotland. Until you fish that same log that was filmed out the water, or I catch the dragon, we are both just guessing.

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I'm going to side with the Skeptical and also call this a Log. The photo has all the characteristics of a log, and nothing to say it is Nessie.

I also agree this was not a half mile away. "It was quite a fair way from the boat, probably about half a mile away but it’s difficult to tell in water." The guy spends 26 years on the Loch, and 60 hours a week on the Loch and he can't guess how far something is???? Maybe he motored over to it to get a good pic? After all, a log does not scare away.

And I'm curious to hear more of the US Military Monster Investigation Unit.

Wonder why none of the Tourists he was driving about in his boat corroberated his statements, or took their own pictures?? Doen't tourists always have cameras??

Log....

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Dragon.

:lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Nevermind Nessie. I want to see this guy's boat. If he's a half mile away then it's one tall sucker.

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Looks like a log heavy with water. Rough waters create the ripple effect. A rock is also a good theory. Highly doubt it is an actual picture of an unknown "monster".

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There's a teeny difference between someone postulating a tree branch and someone else postulating a dragon. I can show you a tree branch and I can also show you similar branches floating in the ocean or rivers or estuaries or lochs..

Now, it's someone else's turn..

Spotted the difference? :P

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Nevermind Nessie. I want to see this guy's boat. If he's a half mile away then it's one tall sucker.

It's probably one like this -

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This boat is also called "Nessie Hunter". The photo was taken recently from Urquhart Castle where the guy in the article claims Nessie was heading towards when he spotted her.

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Posted (edited)

Edit: damn, forgot to quote... so,

Chrlzs, yes, the difference is that a similar tree branch is not The Branch we were looking for, just like similar Komodo Dragon is not The Dragon that guards the spiritual treasure of a place so must not be totally physical in nature :lol: Other than that, I agree, my turn to produce any trace of said dragon.

But, you see, apart from the possible not-entirely-material substance of the dragon in question... what if dragons can shapeshift into logs when overzealous cryptid hunter directs a camera at them?

Huh? Or to make it more down to Earth, what if Plesiosaurus Lochnessiensis has developed skin texture and pattern that imitates logs, as form of natural camouflage? What if that’s rare kind of giant eel that sometimes swims close to the surface, with strange motion that doesn’t resemble usual fish routine?

If someone tells you there’s a fish with little feet, walking down the ocean bottom, you’d say he should look better and realize that’s not what he saw? I’d say dive in again.

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Of course, it does not prove Nessie's existence, I just want to point out that Nessie wouldn't be the strangest animal ever found. Improbable isn't automatically the impossible.

Edited by Helen of Annoy

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Posted (edited)

Is this the Loch Ness Monster?

If that's the Loch Ness Monster then the Loch Ness Monster can also be found in my toilet. I would have posted pictures but I flushed the evidence away...

Edited by Junior Chubb

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If that's the Loch Ness Monster then the Loch Ness Monster can also be found in my toilet. I would have posted pictures but I flushed the evidence away...

No way you can produce that much rippling, unless you crap into a pool. Or off the pier and into a lake. May someone fine you if you do.

Also, turds and logs don't move on their own, nor they suddenly emerge or sink, they either float or not.

So it's a dragon.

No, wait, I said I'll make it down to Earth... so it's a giant reptile of some kind.

Edited by Helen of Annoy
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No way you can produce that much rippling, unless you crap into a pool. Or off the pier and into a lake. May someone fine you if you do.

Also, turds and logs don't move on their own, nor they suddenly emerge or sink, they either float or not.

So it's a dragon.

No, wait, I said I'll make it down to Earth... so it's a giant reptile of some kind.

Banned for doubting the power of my waste product!

Oops wrong thread :blush:

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