NRA Locked in Gun Battle

[Michelle]

the gun has a serial number?? if so it must be regestered, ask atf. unless you have black powder gun, or c&r gun, in that case rules are different a bit. but we aren't talking about those guns.

Believe it or not there was a time when all you got along with your gun was a receipt. Stores didn't keep a record of the serial number and didn't know your name. The only thing they did was check your ID to make sure you were 18. It wasn't until the late 60's early 70's that the attempt was made to keep track of them.

[aztek]

Believe it or not there was a time when all you got along with your gun was a receipt. Stores didn't keep a record of the serial number and didn't know your name. The only thing they did was check your ID to make sure you were 18. It wasn't until the late 60's early 70's that the attempt was made to keep track of them.

yea there was a time, and it has passed, and so were the laws that required them to be regestered. there was a time when cars didn't need lisence plates, does it mean if you have a car that was bought at that time, can be used on public roads without lisence plates now? nope.

but don't take my word for it, ask atf, i'm sure their frendly customer service would be happy to come over and do regestration at your place. lol

Edited August 24, 2012 by aztek

[questionmark]

Believe it or not there was a time when all you got along with your gun was a receipt. Stores didn't keep a record of the serial number and didn't know your name. The only thing they did was check your ID to make sure you were 18. It wasn't until the late 60's early 70's that the attempt was made to keep track of them.

... in some states, in others they did not start that until the late 80s.

[aztek]

and it is 2012 now, today guns must be regestered, some states might not require permits, and would sell to any resident that isn't prohibited, but it still has to be regestered, the seller still has to run instsnt background check on buyer with fbi, and put serial number and the name of the buyer on special form.

[Michelle]

I'm just telling you the facts. Middle-aged, and older people that bought guns before the law was changed did not load up their guns and take them to the ATF to be registered.afterwards. When those people pass away those guns will be claimed by children or grand-children and what they do with them is anyone's guess. So, yes there are a lot of unregistered guns out there.

[questionmark]

I'm just telling you the facts. Middle-aged, and older people that bought guns before the law was changed did not load up their guns and take them to the ATF to be registered.afterwards. When those people pass away those guns will be claimed by children or grand-children and what they do with them is anyone's guess. So, yes there are a lot of unregistered guns out there.

I can confirm that. When we cleaned out my in-laws house in the attic I found a Nambu pistol and a Japanese officers sword along with two boxes of ammunition. My wife had no idea that her father had a gun (this one evidently a war souvenir). In itself it would not have been so bad had the ammunition not been lying around for decades and the trinitro sweating out of the casings. For about 20 minutes I felt that I had been assigned to the EOD.

[Michelle]

I can confirm that. When we cleaned out my in-laws house in the attic I found a Nambu pistol and a Japanese officers sword along with two boxes of ammunition. My wife had no idea that her father had a gun (this one evidently a war souvenir). In itself it would not have been so bad had the ammunition not been lying around for decades and the trinitro sweating out of the casings. For about 20 minutes I felt that I had been assigned to the EOD.

Oh boy!

I know what you mean. My mom had a stroke and was in rehab for several months. While she was there I took care of the house/animals and I found two boxes of ammo that was at least forty years old from before my dad passed away. I checked her .22 and I couldn't even pull the bullets out of it. I rounded up all of the guns and brought them home. She complained at first, but I told her since she was going to have 24/7 in home care she didn't need them around any more. It's probably a good thing too, because so many things disappeared in the last five years she was alive. There were so many health care workers coming in and out unless you took inventory every day you couldn't pin it on any one of them.

[aztek]

So, yes there are a lot of unregistered guns out there.

i never denied it, there are planty of them, we just don't know how much, but the whole argumet here is not about that.today all those guns have to be regestered, if they aren't, the law wasn't complied with, very simple. and if you cought with it, or even use it in self defence, you will be charged for illegal posesion\weapons violation. so in the eyes of the law all those ppl that have unregestered guns, no matter how they got it, are commiting crimes. law appies to everyone equally. but again it isn't what the argument here about.some genoius here suggests nra block of the law requiring reporting stolen guns, is responcible for illegal guns. if nra was pushing law prohibiting report of lost\stolen guns, that it would be a bad thing. but it is not the case.entire thread is missleading, and outright hogwash

[Michelle]

The self-defense laws around here are pretty lax. I'm a law abiding citizen without even a parking ticket, so the most they would do is take away the gun...usually not even that. The police and the courts are very pro-gun. My husband and I are both CCW licensed and we have never been asked if our guns were registered when we've had to call the police to our business. It would probably take another generation, after the registration law was enacted, to start seriously considering charging the average citizen.

Let's face it...if the courts slap someone on the wrist for dozens of armed robberies, they aren't going to lower the boom on someone for defending themselves.

Edited August 24, 2012 by Michelle

[ninjadude]

back in those days every able man was a militia (unless you sick or crippled), there was no regular joes, a gun in every house that is how they planed to protect from tyranny and invasions, everyone is responsible.

yes and the relevance to today is? we don't need a gun.

what is regular Joe anyway?

someone not in a well regulated militia. None of that other crap you wrote.

[ninjadude]

Did you just choose to ignore all the quotes that say otherwise?

No. I find them unconvincing. There were some 19 people killed in Chicago in 30 min yesterday. And wild west shoot out at the Empire state building where police shot anything that moved - including innocent bystanders. It's only a matter of time before there are more.

[Gummug]

China and the Soviet Onion were Communist not socialist.

Thanks for the correction Ninjadude...but now you're making me work, now I'm going to have to research whether people have starved under socialism (I suppose it would depend on the degree of socialism, too...). Hey, I'm still learning from these forums. As much as I don't like people who speak whereof they know nothing, I have to admit I'm still learning myself, e.g., the difference between socialsim, fascism, communism, etc.

[Gummug]

hogwash

OK supposedly WWII Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto advised his country's leaders against invading the US saying "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Now they are saying this is a bogus statement so let me do a little bit of searching, brb.

You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

• It has been declared this attribution is "unsubstantiated and almost certainly bogus, even though it has been repeated thousands of times in various Internet postings. There is no record of the commander in chief of Japan’s wartime fleet ever saying it.", according to Brooks Jackson in "Misquoting Yamamoto" at Factcheck.org (11 May 2009)
  
• Now let's see if anyone claims this is not a bogus misquote or totally false quote
  
• "You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." is a quote by Isoroku Yamamoto, Commander-in-Chief of the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II. Of course it was originally stated in Japanese, this is the English translation.
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  Read more: http://wiki.answers....#ixzz24WBAIPRGe
  

For any who might be interested, here's another link...OK, I may be done with this...

http://www.netgunsmi...ica-not-likely/

eta: So I have to admit, it looks like it may have been a misquote, although I'm not convinced the way history is being re-written nowadays. The next thing you know, George Washington will be portrayed as an evil slaveholder.

Edited August 25, 2012 by Gummug

[Gummug]

Don't be so foolish. The thread is about mandatory reporting of missing firearms and you think that is a slippery slope towards Communism? The chinese famine occurred because the Communist party did some very very stupid things. They tried to get farmers to make steel in their backyards in order to industrialize the country. They also reasoned that sparrows we're pests because they ate seeds and tried to wipe them out, only to find themselves in the midst of locust plagues.

Thanks for deepening my knowledge of the famine, I don't know much about it tbh. Nevertheless, I still think it's interesting that under a system of imo entitlements to end all entitlements (from each according to his ability, to each according to his need) the famine nevertheless took hold, mostly, per your words, because the Com. party did some very stupid things. So much for government.

[Gummug]

There is a VERY thin line between paranoia and reality

The way I look at it, the paranoid will inherit the earth.

And: Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Jk...for the most part.

[Gummug]

sure it is, ask atf. the exceptions are black powder guns, and c&r.

That's a good point, because imo a black powder rifle or revolver can be just as deadly as a regular cartridge rifle or handgun.

[preacherman76]

sure it is, ask atf. the exceptions are black powder guns, and c&r.

Maybe in other states. Not in mine.

[ninjadude]

The next thing you know, George Washington will be portrayed as an evil slaveholder.

Evil? probably not but he did own about 100 slaves at Mt Vernon.

[Gummug]

Evil? probably not but he did own about 100 slaves at Mt Vernon.

I had heard he did. It would be interesting to research the reason because I thought that most of the founding fathers were anti-slavery. Btw, I've always wondered why the Af-Ams are so hostile towards the memory of slavery by whites, but they seem to have no problem that I'm aware of with Islam, and my understanding is the Arabs were the biggest slave traders in blacks that there ever were. And I think in some African countries slavery is still legal. Not that I'm in favor of slavery of course, but it does seem rather selective and hypocritical. Sorry, I keep on being tempted to hijack this thread and I don't mean to...

Edited August 25, 2012 by Gummug

[notoverrated]

wat? y not report that? if they catch them you can get your guns bac.

[questionmark]

wat? y not report that? if they catch them you can get your guns bac.

Simple when you know that tour gun really was not "lost".

[aztek]

wat? y not report that? if they catch them you can get your guns bac.

most likely not, you might even loose your right to keep them in some states, you couldn't make sure they are secured, and unaccesable to unauthorized ppl. and if that gun was used in crime, you might even get charged as well.

that is why ppl don't report it, cuz they fear the consequences, hoping it will never be found, not because they sell it under the table like some geniuses here suggest.

[aztek]

That's a good point, because imo a black powder rifle or revolver can be just as deadly as a regular cartridge rifle or handgun.

they can, but i have never heard of them being used n crimes, heard of few hunting accidents, the are sold with no restrictions(besides age), can be mailed to you directly with no ffl involved, even in nyc, they are legal with no permit, however no caps, balls and powder can be present in nyc, unless you have valid pistol permit.

[ninjadude]

It would be interesting to research the reason because I thought that most of the founding fathers were anti-slavery.

As with all things some were, some were not. The Virginia plantations were commonly supported by slaves.

[aztek]

A Lincoln was against slavery, but not against segregation, he supported it. being against slavery does not mean being for equality.