Sirius and Alnilam, Secret Societies

[monk 56]

I hope members in the U.S. and english speaking world can view documentary below, although you have to sit through annoying adverts, it should be available to watch till late in December 2012:-

http://www.channel5....-temple-of-doom

Although this is about a mysterious gold cauldron found in a lake in Germany, it also mentions the pagan beliefs of the top Nazi's including Himmler and his esoteric H.Q. being Wewelsburg Castle, after viewing the above video it made me look through my filing cabinets for my work on this castle, ON 22ND SEPTEMBER 1934 A CEREMONIAL TRANSFER TO HIMMLER TOOK PLACE, which is the Autumn Equinox, being an auspicious date, below is a link about the beliefs of the Autumn Equinox:-

http://www.timeandda...ox-customs.html

To find the date of transfer please scroll down link below to "SS HISTORY INTRODUCTION" and read from this point:-

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Wewelsburg

It must be valued that i report on strange cults but don't share these beliefs, with this in mind i love Renaissance superstitious poems like the one below by Robert Southey ha ha!

http://www.rc.umd.ed.../cornelius.html

If there were evil doers that believed in unlawful books then the NAZI party fits the criteria!

On 22nd September 1934 at location in Wewelsburg Castle, midnight day marker was chosen for ritual, as Alnilam, Belt of Orion rose in the East, astronomy graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=6743&mode=view

Edited September 3, 2012 by monk 56

[monk 56]

I have many charts of the Nazi party, which must wait to later, as i wish to report on history and Arab Spring movement that is sweeping the Muslim world at the moment, however i will give one more and is about the genesis of the Nazi Party.

The German Workers Party was formed in Munich on 5th January 1919, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Workers_Party

Midnight day marker was used at location as both Jupiter and Sirius are in the middle of the sky, belief in Jupiter is thought to expand the influence of Sirius, link below:-

http://www.astrostar...tal-Jupiter.htm

This is a fairly rare alignment to get both Jupiter and Sirius culminating at start of the day within 1 degree.

Graph showing this is on link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=5007&mode=view

Edited September 3, 2012 by monk 56

[chessnovicer]

Hello Monk,

This is all a very interesting mix of history, astronomy/astrology, occultism and conspiracy. However, I am a bottom line type of guy. Therefore, I have two questions?

1) Is there a website you can refer us to where there is an interactive celestial map so we can explore these dates and the positions of celestial bodies (without interpretation of the implication of the effect their loci or position will have on human activity)?

2) Is there an objective to sharing of this information? (just curious)

[monk 56]

Hi Chessnovicer,

I think your best bet is to start a thread on the Science and Space forum on unexplained forums and ask if any have an astronomy programme that you can verify what i say, although belief in the stars use a margin or orb of one degree, a good astronomer will know what i'm trying to show.

My proof comes in a number of points,

1) The conspiracy forum is full of heated debate, and you have astronomers that use the forums, no one is attacking my graphs, plus what i'm showing is very controversial, so i'd better know my stuff, if people can't find a fault usaully not many answer!

2) I don't care where i write, and have written on very good astronomy forums about explosive religious matters, again if fault can't be found, you usaully get little reply, on link below i wrote anonymously on a much credited astronomy forum, on oath this is me writing in 2007:-

http://cs.astronomy....27/t/29013.aspx

Some astronomy programmes are difficult to operate so i feel that perhaps on the Science and space forums you may find an experienced expert who has one.

I am authentic and genuine, and will go through much of world history showing beliefs attached to world events in time.

The reason i do this is i think that a number of secret societies are in conflict with each other, so there is no New World Order, but the nasty ones do harm our progress, i have no idea who is who as they all use the same stars, we live in a crazy world....i have buckets full of stuff to show yet, and information is power for those that aren't powerful.

Edited September 3, 2012 by monk 56

[monk 56]

To show contrast with duality!

Whatever you feel about the beliefs of the College of Psychic Studies, no evil exists there, i know as i was a member before i was disabled, however you will note that 25th October 1883 is date of establishment, link below:-

http://www.collegeofpsychicstudies.co.uk/college/history.html

Midnight day marker was chosen at location, when Sirius was rising along horizon in East.

I have to explain now slight difference with position of Sirius regarding Bobby Kennedy's assassination mentioned a few threads back and what i show now with another chart.

The difference between the inaccurate Julian Calendar and the Accurate Gregorian Calendar is only 3 leap days in 400 years, this means that 1600 had a leap day, but 1700, 1800, and 1900 didn't but 2000 did have a leap day. so now i'm talking about 06/06/06 (Symbol of beast belief) in Los Angeles, California,the extra leap day moved Sirius slightly, so if a nasty group were aligning Sirius to ancient Greek day marker, being sunset of previous day on 5th June 2006, Sirius sets with the Sun.

Please scroll down link below about Church of Satan to "Membership", THEN LOOK UPWARDS TWO PARAGRAPHS, it says On 6th June 2006 the Church of Satan held the first public ritual Satanic Mass in 40 years at the Steve Allen Theater in the Center for Inquiry in Los Angeles!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

Good Guys and Bad Guys use the same stars....it is difficult in politics knowing who is who!!

Astronomy graphs on link below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3836&mode=view

[chessnovicer]

Monk,

I appreciate your response. I did not mean to question your veracity but now that you have brought it up, there is a certain amount of light that is now placed on it.

However, I do question the basis for asserting value of certain dates. For example, you assert, "Before i start lets show why 11th September would be valued as special for action....it is New Years Day in the Coptic Calendar, and is valued by many conflicting esoteric orders." (post #1 of this thread.) What significance is it beyond it being the first day of the year for the Coptic religion? January 1st of no significance to us other than it is the first day of the year? It is a not a day to start a business or begin a nation (or dare I say end 1).

According to the Persian Calendar and Persian tradition the first day (actually the first minute) of the year corresponds with the first minute of spring. This is celebrated by Iranians and Zoroastrians even today. Beyond the start of the year I am not sure it has much more significance. http://en.wikipedia....anian_calendars

Generally, the Chinese New year is the second new moon after the winter solstice. http://en.wikipedia....calendar While again it is a time for celebration, it is not a date to begin a military or political campaigns, business venture, etc.

Bottom line, if these dates have no significance beyond their numerical order for tracking start and end of a year, then they will not necessarily be the basis for acting or not acting, right? However, if there is a relationship between the position of celestial bodies (i.e. Alnilam) and the success of human activity, my question remains, how can I know where it was position in relation to any of the incidents you cited such as 9/11, camp david accord, etc.? Should I accept your knowledge it was at the zenith or the horizon or the nadir?

Regarding the interactive map... I thought it might be asking a lot but one can never know until one asks.

Edited September 3, 2012 by chessnovicer

[monk 56]

Hi Chessnovicer,

If in doubt find out the best astronomy programme for a beginner, and buy it, obviously i wouldn't want to influence you, so take advice.

9/11's have a history, link below to 1973 Chilean Coup:-

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO309A.html

A fringe masonic group was involved called Propaganda Due or P2

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_Due

C.I.A meddling didn't help matters, link to video below:-

http://www.johnpilge...ar-on-democracy

I'll try to get astronomy graph posted tomorrow, getting tired now, my health isn't good, talk later, thanks for debate Chessnovicer!

Edited September 4, 2012 by monk 56

[s33ker]

Hello Monk, I can't help the feeling that your leading me to some explosive date in the future where everything just lines up perfectly

and "we all" better beware!

Is there a reason for all this research (brilliant though it is) cause I'm feeling scared, and so informed I'm buzzing.

I hope you feel better after your rested cause I truly value your work.

[monk 56]

Hi Chessnovicer,

If you believe in pagan gods then New Year goes beyond resolutions, please scroll down to Religious origins on link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Years_resolution

The Chile Coup of 11th September 1973 happened in all major cities not only Santiago, indeed Concepcion was badly hit before the capital and had some nasty concentration camps, links below:-

http://thedailystar....er/salvador.htm

http://www.derechosc...sh/quiriqui.htm

The alignment from Concepcion Chile during coup of 11th September 1973 shows Egyptian Sunrise day marker was used, while Alnilam, Belt of Orion was culminating, graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4256&mode=view

Edited September 4, 2012 by monk 56

[monk 56]

Hi s33ker,

A lot of Mayan Calendar researchers think it originated from Izapa, Mexico, so must be viewed from that point of location, Sirius and Alnilam are marked on 21st December 2012, however i don't think anything awful will happen, but as the day creates fear with some, terrorists could jump on the bandwagon and use that day, we will all be out Christmas shopping, so there is a slight risk attached.

You can look at graphs on link below where i'm discussing this with a member of another forum, hope i'm not breaking the rules here:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=59&t=28595

[chessnovicer]

The alignment from Concepcion Chile during coup of 11th September 1973 shows Egyptian Sunrise day marker was used, while Alnilam, Belt of Orion was culminating, graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4256&mode=view

I understand your words, Monk. I am not sure I understand your point. I see no rhyme nor reason, and you seem to be unwilling or unable to present a clear explanation of the relationship between the celestial bodies and human activity. For now, I'll remain silent and observe the direction you take this.

[ellapenella]

Hi Monk 56

I wanted to say hi and that I've been reading your discussion .Very interesting.

[monk 56]

Hi Reann,

Thank you for your comments!

Hi Chessnovicer,

I see you come from New York, which was a temporary Capital during the time that Washington DC was built, obviously there were other temporary Capital's like Philadelphia.

New York become temporary Capital on 13th September 1788, midnight day marker was chosen, while Alnilam rose in the East, information and link to graph below:-

http://www.newyorkne...om/history.html

http://2012forum.com...=6747&mode=view

Canada's Capital was chosen as Ottawa on 31st December 1857, same applies, midnight day marker chosen while Sirius was in the middle of the sky, information and link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4100&mode=view

I think i haven't explained the nature of this secret religion that did try to take over the Christian religion during the Renaissance. Siena, Italy has a Cathedral, and we know that without the help of Rome it is probable that the Christian religion wouldn't have lasted, link to Siena below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siena

As you walk into Siena Cathedral you will see a picture embedded into the structure with translated to english the words below:-

"Hermes Mercurius Trismegistus, contemporary of Moses".

During the time that this was placed within the cathedral, this would have been heresy, how these people were not invited to a bonfire party in Rome by the Inquisition i have no idea, however this is the start of the mystery regarding this very secret religion, links below:-

http://en.wikipedia....es_Trismegistus

http://en.wikipedia....a_cathedral.jpg

I will continue soon.

Edited September 5, 2012 by monk 56

[monk 56]

Hi Chessnovicer,

This religion is usaully attached to secret societies like Rosicrucianism etc etc. They believe that this religion originated in Egypt, and in Egyptian philosophy Sirius and Alnilam depict Isis Horus and Osiris, so they pick days that these stars are aligned to location, very early on only sunrise and sunset were used to align these stars, but with the invention of the clock and as people started using midnight as the start and end of the day, midnight was added as a day marker, sunrise and sunset shown below:-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10705808

However Chessnovicer, could you please read links below:-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12030267

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermeticism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_esoteric_tradition

http://gnosis.org/hermes.htm

http://www.philipcoppens.com/hermetic_age.html

I'm sorry Chessnovicer that i'm giving you a lot to read, but you did say you didn't understand the relationship between celestial bodies and human activity, it is all about belief.

I was going to start on the Arab Spring Movement, however i have changed my mind as the First World War is far more interesting in dealing with these concepts.

[monk 56]

In order to understand exactly what went wrong back in the Summer of 1914 we need to look no further than examine the key alliances that happened between 1879 and 1907, ending with the "triple Entente". In fact these treaties were alliances that major nations signed in fear of each other declaring war, yet made all Europe vulnerable to a terrorist attack, bringing the powerful nations into an involuntary "Dance of Death", and a war that no one wanted, yet were duty bound by the signed agreements.

Saint Vitus Day 1389 and the Battle of Kosovo Poyle, marks the beginning of the Serbian Nation, the spirit of togetherness that saw the Serbian peoples unite against the Turkish invader. Obviously the day changes if valued by the Julian Calendar or Gregorian method, Saint Vitus Day is 28th June, and there are grounds to speculate that 28th June 1914 may have been chosen as the trigger date of World War One.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo

Two Bullets fired on a Sarajevo street on a sunny June morning in 1914, set in motion a series of events that shaped the world we live in today! World War One, World War Two, the Cold War, and our difficulties in the Middle East, all trace their origin to the gunshots that interupted that "Summers Day", 28th June 1914, Saint Vitus Day!

The victims, Archduke Ferdinand, on his wedding anniversary, heir to the throne of the Austro-Hungarian Empire and his wife Sophie were shot by 19 year old Gavrilo Princip who burned with the fire of Slavic nationalism, he envisioned the death of the arch-duke as the key that would unlock the shackles binding his people to the Austro-Hungarian Empire. He was well picked as most of the conspirators were dying from TB, therefore didn't mind being "Martyrs".....VERY CLEVER MR. DIMITRIJEVIC AND THE BLACK HAND SECRET SOCIETY"

Serbia figured prominently in the plot, providing the guns, ammunition and training that made the assassination possible, they may also seen a symbolic connection to The Battle of Kosovo Poyle, so in theory used that date for the auspicious event in history.

Gavrilo Princip become an unwitting "Pied Piper", as this assassination precipitated the Austro-Hungarian Declaration of War against Serbia and the involuntary dance of death or "Saint Vitus Dance of World War One!

Later i will show research into "THE BLACK HAND SOCIETY!".

[monk 56]

I will go into great detail about the beginning and ending of World War One tomorrow, but today i wish to fully explain the importance of St. Vitus Day to Serbia.

The Feast day is sacred to ethnic Serbs who tranformed the pagan Slavic god Deity of War by Serbian Orthodox Christians, you can see how important Saint Vitus Day is by link below:-

http://www.crkvenika...vidovdan_en.php

Saint Vitus Day is celebrated on 15th June by Julian Calendar, this corresponds to 28th June in Gregorian Calendar that we all now use in the Christian countries.

He is the the saint of dancers and epileptics, which is where we get the ancient name of the neurological disorder of sydenham's chorea, that looks like a strange dance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitus

Many dates in history have been aligned to St. Vitus day, and is called Vidovdan in the Balkan states. FUNNY ISN'T IT, that the event that triggered W.W.1. happened on 28th June 1914, and the Treaty of Versailles was signed ending W.W.1. on 28th June 1919.....it does look a little intentional, doesn't it?????????

Please read link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidovdan

Edited September 5, 2012 by monk 56

[ellapenella]

Monk 56

That's amazing. Everything you're sharing/teaching is amazing. I'm fascinated with all I'm reading and learning here. I 've been thinking about something you've said before i ever read what you said and without the understanding of it as you have.I don't really know how to say this but I was thinking that if it were not for the Roman Empire Christianity would not have existed ,I've shared that with others just recently .And even though the Roman empire had emposed itself on the world and the actions they have done to others were not always something to be proud of ...though without the strength of such an empire in which Christianity was protected in I don't think it would of survived. There is a prediction saying that Christianity would enter a certain government,rulers and by doing so that it would grow .It was predicted.

It's seems to me that out of their darkness came light.

May I ask is there really supernatural influences at hand for certain societies which conduct rituals under certain planet allignments? I hope my question doesn't seem weird. It's like, I also wonder about people who conduct rituals on full moons,does it really have any influence.

[ellapenella]

I've got another question pertaining to talks and fears of war and the political presidential election about to take place in the United states. Do you see any possible planetary alignments suggesting that war will be ineviitable ? Does it matter which of the presidential candidates take office or not ? Seems that a lot is going on in the world and if these societies indeed do exist ,what alignment would such societies look for or wait on to make war? and why do they do this ? Do you see it happening in the near future?

I'm also told that the United states will not even make a move on wall street without conductiong planetary allignments and yet our economy is not doing so well,or is it for certain individuals?

You inspire me to take my astrology books back out and not give up on what I was once very interested in learning and discovering. It's difficult though to absorb everything at once, it takes time.

Edited September 5, 2012 by Reann

[monk 56]

Hi Reann,

It must be noted i'm a researcher, i have never been involved in rituals, it would spook me, dancing around a pentacle with a mask on like below isn't my thing, hell i might start biting postmen ha ha!

http://www.whshop.com/acatalog/info_0058figur.html

But beliefs that start wars and finish wars on the same day is frightening, hell i have only just started!

I'm worried about a strike on Iran at present which i will come to later under a section that will be called Arab Spring Movement.

I will leave you a puzzle till tomorrow, the Grand Master and Black Magician of the Black Hand Secret Society that triggered W.W.1. was Dragutin Dimtrijevic, and if you look down link below to fourth paragraph you will see his codename was APIS,....... find the connection to what apis means and Egyptian hermetic philosophy.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/FWWapis.htm

I'll be back tomorrow!

[ellapenella]

O.K I will look and try to riddle it. You do know I am no where as educated in this area as you though. No where near all that you are able to see and understand so easily. I will be back tomorrow as well.

Oh and Monk 56,thank you.

[monk 56]

Ok Reann,

I won't leave you with a lot of work, APIS link below:-

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/29660/Apis

It would seem that Black Hand Secret Society was hermetic, wouldn't it?

Tomorrow i will show research into 11th November regarding W.W.1., should be interesting!

[monk 56]

I don't think that the Armistice was held up for more than a few days, but enough for a stupid mystic to get his esoteric numbers to work, it must be noted that thousands of soldiers died in the last few days of W.W.1. The Armistice was laying down of arms and happened on the 11th hour of 11th day of the 11th month 1918, which is very suspicious as 11 is an esoteric master number, if you have those beliefs!

http://en.wikipedia....i/Armistice_Day

http://en.wikipedia....ce_with_Germany

We have a minute silence on Veterans day/Remembrance day to think of all soldiers that died in war, however just like St Vitus day i feel that the day of the Armistice was intentional, and perhaps the war could have ended a few days before, but someone wanted to get 11's being a master number 11:11:11.

We can look further into this, centuries before W.W.1. Saint Martin of Tours feast day is 11th November, HE IS THE PATRON SAINT OF SOLDIERS, how apt, shame about the soldiers who died while this date to end war was waited for....Isn't it??

It wasn't the first time that 11th November had been used in this war, the Muslim Ottoman Empire declared holy war/jihad on mostly Christian soldiers on 11/11/1914, links below:-

http://www.nzhistory...re-declares-war

http://catholicfire....urs-patron.html

America didn't sign the Treaty of Versailles, they made a separate agreement with Germany where ratification and exchange of documents were in Berlin on 11/11/1921, please look to top of page on link below:-

http://en.wikisource...ny_Peace_Treaty

There does seem to be a lot of Harry Potter religious symbolism that was intentionally put into World War One!!!!! Intentional days intentional symbolism....pretty sick! Hell i wouldn't have minded the Harry Potter stuff if it had worked, within 20 years we had another World War!

Edited September 6, 2012 by monk 56

[monk 56]

Research into "Black Hand Society" coming later, i hope to make more comments today but i am busy, i'm leaving more information about the last day of World War One below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_Day_of_World_War_One

Or Video below:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8s5QYwYtuY

[monk 56]

Hi Chessnovicer,

I left explaining your questions until i had given you a great deal to read about secret hermetic beliefs, so now i will respond to your questions on page four thread section #56.

1) The date of 9/11 isn't important as it is new year, it is important as a day for it is a sacred Thoth day in pagan beliefs, in the Coptic calendar it is the first day of New Year, and in ancient Egyptian myths it was Thoth that created the calendar, so think of this as a special Thoth day......the ancient Egyptian Calendar was based on 12 months of 30 days with five extra days appended at the end of each year to give 365 days in all, the months were given the names of presiding deities, so the year began on the first day of the month of Thoth/thout, which is 11 September now, and sacred to Thoth belief! Forget about New Year, think of association with Hermetic beliefs!

http://www.thewhiteg..._holy_words.asp

2) You mention the Persian Calendar/Iranian Calendar and Zoroastrian beliefs....i leave you with the deity "Tishtrya" that is linked to SIRIUS, information below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tishtrya

There were changes to the Iranian Solar Hijri calendar dated 31st March 1925, strange as calendar is aligned to Vernal Equinox, please scroll down link below to "IN IRAN", first paragraph mentions "The present Iranian Calendar was legally adopted on 31st March 1925" Obviously in Tehran.

http://en.wikipedia....iki/Solar_Hijri

It isn't unusual to align a calendar by Babylonian style being sunset of previous day, so i would be looking at sunset of previous day on 30th March 1925, link below to babylonian day:-

http://www.byt-yhwh....ylonianday.html

As Sun set in Tehran on 30th March 1925, Isis,Tishtrya, SIRIUS was culminating in middle of sky, try to find an astronomer who will dispute this, graph on link:-

http://2012forum.com...=6598&mode=view

3) I can explain a lot about China that i will do in due course....i will come back to this topic, so Chessnovicer i had answered most of your questions, i'm in the middle of explaining events in the First World War, so China can wait till later!

Edited September 6, 2012 by monk 56

[monk 56]

After the assassination of Arch-duke Ferdinand, war was declared a month later, obviously the media newspapers were full of it, so much so that most people didn't take notice of the trial of the conspirators who were suffering from Tuberculosis thus didn't have long to live so didn't have any reason to lie!

There was a accurate transcript of the trial made that astonishingly was never made into a history book till 1982 it is called "THE SARAJEVO TRIAL BY W. A. DOLPH OWENS" The book has long been out of print and is expensive to buy second hand, however it is valued by scholars and historians everywhere as being accurate to the trial, you can see this by link below, please scroll down to "REFERENCES" at bottom of page to see this book mentioned:-

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Latin_Bridge

Edited September 7, 2012 by monk 56