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Sirius and Alnilam, Secret Societies

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A great deal of our politics are aligned to Isis and Osiris stars by secret societies, yet we don't really know much about the moral code applied, hopefully we would hope the rules were like the Ten Commandments, most would agree with that, even if you don't believe in god.

They always say they have the highest moral code (secret societies) but if you take america as an example of that kind of thing in action you end up with lies and mass-murder etc. Are the codes so easily corrupted or is the evil built right into the secret societies? Using the stars for control and profit regardless of how many must be slaughtered seems to be the rule there.

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Hi Markprice,

Examples where Sirius and Alnilam, Belt of Orion are used are war, assassinations, constitutions, buildings like the Pentagon and White house, and there seems to be intent in these alignments, i don't think all secret societies are evil but it is difficult to know them apart as they all use these stars, i feel it is a strange hermetic religion at play here.

The Elisabeth 1st period in England is very interesting for this, which is the beginning era of becoming a super power, the Queen's astrologer was John Dee, and i feel it will be his alignments i will talk about next with the Spanish Armada sea battle:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee

But before i do show information about 1588, you must understand how astronomy programmes work, England continued to follow the Julian Calendar till 1752 being Protestant, however Catholics used the new Gregorian calendar brought in during 1582, astronomy programmes all use 1582 to change calendars, untill 1700 AD there is a ten day gap between them that needs to be adjusted, using Julian Calendar of the Spanish Armada battle outside Gravelines we get 29th July 1588, but this will show wrong astronomy, link below:-

http://www.history.c...armada-defeated

However the right date to feed into astronomy programmes is ten days later, being 8th August 1588, the right date is shown to the right of link below, being the Gregorian Calendar date:-

http://en.wikipedia..../Spanish_Armada

This battle took place near to Gravelines, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Gravelines

I think John Dee advised English sea captians to attack Armada on this date and location if possible, Egyptian sunrise day marker chosen on 8th August 1588, Sirius rose with the Sun along horizon in East, very auspicious......England did have to win this sea battle to eventually become a super power, link to astronomy below:-

http://2012forum.com...=7017&mode=view

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Hi MarkPrice,

Although John Dee was out of the country in 1588, i still feel by private messenger there was contact with Elisabeth I, tomorrow i'll look at the EAST INDIA COMPANY, that supplied the wealth for England to become a superpower, perhaps John Dee was involved in its establishment

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I think that john Dee was involved in the establishment of the EAST INDIA COMPANY, this company made England very wealthy and powerful and Britain would never become a superpower without it. It was established by an Elisabeth I charter on 31st December 1600 in London, but this again is a Julian Calendar date, you must add ten days to it bringing it up to 10th January 1601.

However i suspect John Dee was using ancient Greek day marker which is sunset on previous day being 9th January 1601 in London, as Sun set Alnilam was rising in the East along the horizon, information and astronomy graph link below:-

http://www.bl.uk/onl...ing/world5.html

http://2012forum.com...=7018&mode=view

Further information about the power of the East India Company can be found below:-

http://history.howst...-influence2.htm

http://www.economist.com/node/21541753

It is possible that John Dee's influence was still around 2 centuries later, for when the new city of Washington was built it's longitude was 77 degrees West, Dee always thought this was gods longitude, link below:-

http://www.hermetic....s_longitude.htm

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There is a massive apex in classical history and beliefs about astronomy, that involve the most powerful man in the classical age, Julius Caesar and the Queen of Egypt Cleopatra. It is very unlikely that we will never find the tomb of Cleopatra, like we did with Richard III, sadly it is under the sea like the Lighthouse at Alexandria due to earthquakes that happened in the early centuries AD.

It is strange but whether you believe that Augustus murdered her or she committed suicide, both would have chosen a day that would have been in keeping with her beliefs, we know this day was 12th August 0030 BC, which was auspicious for Egyptian beliefs at the location of Alexandria, Egypt.

Usaully there would be a big triumph parade in Rome, where Cleopatra would be dragged through the streets, she didn't want that, she had seen it with her sister Arsinoe, perhaps she chose day of suicide in keeping with her beliefs, links below:-

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/~grout/encyclopaedia_romana/miscellanea/cleopatra/rixens.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleopatra_VII

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On her day of suicide being 12th August 0030 BC in Alexandria, Cleopatra in keeping with her beliefs would have believed her soul would stay close to her body until mighty Ra/Sun set that evening, then she would need a road map to join Osiris....as the Sun set on that fateful day for the last of the pharaohs, Alnilam and Osiris star was aligned to the Nadir, it is the same alignment that happened with Elisabeth, Queen of Austria in Geneva in 1898, please scroll back to previous page on thread section #324.

Cleopatra astronomy graph below, aligned to sunset:-

http://2012forum.com...=3848&mode=view

Julius Caesar was assassinated under similiar alignments in Rome being 15th March 0044 BC, beware of the Ides of March, blood on the air, on which the night things will feed, wild as mad dogs, making no difference between men!

Ancient Greek day marking was used to record event in the stars, being sunset in Rome, as Sun set on 14th March 0044 BC at location, Sirius and Isis star was culminating in the middle of the sky, astronomy graph below:-

http://2012forum.com...=3844&mode=view

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Hi Reann,

Interpretation over religious symbolism is always going to be difficult, emblems and picture drawing goes back to when most couldn't read, obviously the eye of Horus is ancient, but originally i wouldn't join it to the "Eye of Providence" used by Christians, throughout history images have been stolen between religious thinkers and changed in meaning.

http://en.wikipedia....e_of_Providence

If the eye is just in a triangle, it just means the eye of God, but when there is other symbolism like a pyramid underneath like the Great Seal of the United States, this makes clear that they mean an Egyptian God, like Osiris.

The Great Seal of the United States that you see on the back of the Dollar Bill, was adopted on 15th September 1789, just before Washington DC, when Congress was sitting in New York, on that date and location, as the Sun rose, Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star was in the middle of the sky!

So i don't double up, please use link below, page two of this report, scroll down to thread section #24, information and graphs are there:-

http://www.unexplain...ic=232340&st=15

A great deal of our politics are aligned to Isis and Osiris stars by secret societies, yet we don't really know much about the moral code applied, hopefully we would hope the rules were like the Ten Commandments, most would agree with that, even if you don't believe in god.

Perhaps there are connections with the moral code of the Ten Commandments in Egyptian Philosophy, but don't tread into that, as it will lead to a great deal of dispute, which frankly isn't the essence of this report.

http://www.religious...rg/chr_10cl.htm

Interesting. Everything is so strange to me , because , everything is sort of hidden . I'd like to understand as much of the truth as i can , regarding all of it , including the spiritual element of it as well as the political , because I do think it's all connected.

If there is any truth in the claims made by people over time that history was kept hidden from us , and replaced with whatever else was given to believe , I want to know the truth .

I often think about how our government placed so much faith and trust into egyptian astrology, meanwhile selling religion based on Christianty to everyone else except for themselves .

I understand the topic here in your thread , it is an interesting one , though I must admit , my heart and mind reflect and connect it all spiritually . I think the moral code is always spiritually related and can not be dismissed , I don't mean religiously either , it just is , you know .

Ancient Egyptian Astrology seems to me , to be utilized spiritually , by the powers that be that utilize it.. I do not believe that it is utilized in vain , but in faith by those who believe in it , though their agendas may be in vain or whatever. I do wonder, what energies they are projecting and depending on .

There is so much more to all this than meets the eye.

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Hi Reann,

Religion can be confusing, obviously i observe classical in all i do, it doesn't mean you should, when most couldn't read from the dawn of time we had MINSTRELS, poets in song, i love Homer, the blind minstrel:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minstrel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer

There are a few modern ones, thus i leave link below:-

DON'T PAY THE FERRYMAN TILL YOU GET TO THE OTHER SIDE, i wish you luck in many years yet in your great journey, mine will come long before yours, keep your money in your hand till you get there LOL!!!!!

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I like that , never heard of them , ever before. I don't think that things have to be as confusing as they seem, what i feel and think is that people make it all confusing , and for so many reasons i can see why they do or why it's that way.

Example of confusion would be as follows :

I was not raised in a religious house, though I desired the spiritual side of life , and so , when I wanted to discover more of it , I looked to the church for guidence , but as I continued to learn or discover more , something didn't feel right with all that the church teaches , some teachings are wonderful ,but , something was still missing, and so , what I was given to believe I question now, and that's sort of upsetting .

I am aware of how pagan the Catholic church is or was established from , and every protestant church are nothing more but branches of the Catholic church , but it all comes from Egypt , pretty much.

I don't find it very pleasing to have to question whether or not A man named Yeshua was born by means of a virgin birth to a woman named Mariam for the reasons why the church or roman rulership had recorded why he was born ( not including the similar stories in ancient Egypt mythology or religion) ---this is where it becomes confusing for me personally, being that I have no trust in that rulership, therfore , why would I trust a religious doctrine they promoted .

In a way I wonder why people still support a church that broke every golden moral rule under their leadership , but since i understand that some people are lead easily I get why they support it still . This same establishement is cloaked in Ancient Egyptian symbolism , right down to, or , up to the Holy Eucharist. It's all so weird .

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Hi Reann,

When i was a young man at 20, i was a ghost investigator and member of the Ghost Club and had limited access to one of the strangest ever cases, mainly because l lived minutes from a very spooky haunting in Enfield and knew Maurice Grosse, link below scroll down to thread section #7:-

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=214316

Information on this case is below:-

http://www.dailymail...itated-bed.html

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Hi Reann,

I was going to start some thread sections on Turkey tonight, but you have put me in a spiritual mood, so Turkey can wait till tomorrow!

No one has any idea of the year or date that Jesus Christ was born, but because of confusion one of the early dates may be because of Hermetic infiltration and getting on the band wagon, as i say religious thinkers steal from each other. Actually the earliest date was Epiphany for the Birth of Christ on 6th January, in 385AD a pilgrim called Egeria visited Bethlehem and noted that Christmas was celebrated on 6th January, please read link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=7067&mode=view

I'm not saying that this is the right date of birth, but by astronomy it is very interesting in why it was chosen, further information can be seen below:-

http://www.commonwea...g/blog/?p=22581

Firstly i would say that ancient and modern Jews use previous sunset as the start of the day, so we are looking at 5th January at sunset, don't worry about the year, as any alignment roughly two thousand years ago on date at sunset in Bethlehem will happen every year during that era, petering out in about 2nd century AD, so finding year isn't important to astronomy findings as long as we have it roughly right.

During the era of roughly two thousand years ago in Bethlehem at sunset on 5th January, which is when the day starts for Jews to what we know as Epiphany on 6th January, as Sun set, Sirius was rising, link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4079&mode=view

If i had been one of the Magi, i could have followed Sirius from Persia to Bethlehem, by viewing it just after sunset, this would have given me a direction to follow, but before i set out on my journey i would have to know Jesus's Birthday before i started or it doesn't work....something to think about!

If you scroll down page below to where i mention Jesus, i give further information:-

http://2012forum.com...22026&start=315

Please left click on any astronomy charts you wish to see larger.

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Turkey is the gateway to the East for some, for others the gateway to the West, so perhaps we should investigate and look at some fairly modern history, Istanbul/Constantinople stopped being the Capital on 13th October 1923, and Ankara was chosen instead, please scroll down to "Turkish History" on link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankara

On 13th October 1923 at location of Ankara we find that ancient Greek day marker was used, being sunset of previous day on 12th October, as the Sun set, Sirius the Isis star was aligned to the Nadir, graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7060&mode=view

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Between 1960 and 1980 the were 3 military interventions in Turkey or Coup d'etat's, all three are mentioned on link below:-

http://www.allaboutt...y.com/darbe.htm

Please scroll down to "The 1960 Coup D'etat" you will find that the date is 27th May 1960 in Ankara, ancient Greek day marker was used to record event in the stars, so this would make it sunset on 26th May 1960, as Sun set in the West, So was Alnilam, Belt of Orion, astronomy graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=7061&mode=view

Please again scroll down link left "All about Turkey", and scroll down to "The Imposition of Guided Democracy", The next Coup d'etat happened on 12th March 1971, midnight day marker was used when Alnilam, Belt of Orion was setting in the West and Jupiter was rising in the East along the horizon. Mystics like to find an alignment that corresponds between Alnilam and Jupiter, by thier beliefs they feel this is very fortunate and expands influence.

Astronomy graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=7065&mode=view

The 1980 Coup D'etat happened on 12th September 1980, ancient Greek day marker was used being sunset on 11th September, the Sun set with Jupiter while Alnilam, Belt of Orion was aligned to the Nadir, and yes they used Jupiter again! Graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=7066&mode=view

It is difficult and rare to get Jupiter and Alnilam to align at location, but is highly prized by esoteric astrologers.

http://suite101.com/article/jupiter-reveals-good-fortune-and-learning-a145268

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As we are going to get a new Pope soon i thought i would start a series of thread sections under the heading of the Counter Reformation, small parts i have already written about, which i'm afraid will have to be doubled up to make sense of the whole investigation during this interesting era. The Catholic Church began to freshen its image during the Protestant Reformation, one of the disputes was the level of corruption. Vatican leaders saw the split in the Christian Church as very damaging and sought to draw people back to the Catholic fold, to do this they created new Religious orders to go out into the world to check up on bishops and priests, and also spread influence.

They also saw a need to stop heresy and on 21st July 1542, the Inquisition was given a new constitution by Pope Paul III, this was called "The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Roman and Universal Inquisition", the papal bull was called "Licet ab initio", on this day in Rome Sirius rose with the Sun, this seems more Egyptian in origin than Christian, some may think this is heresy by aligning Sirius, i will show astronomy graph later after explaining about the Jesuit religious order.

I will continue tomorrow.

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Before i continue, lets give link that shows date for vatican regarding Inquisition, please scroll down to "History":-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Doctrine_of_the_Faith

You will note it is 21st July 1542 in Rome, in an effort not to double up on astronomy pictures you will find that the same date was used for the establishment of the Jesuits, 8 years later, as this is a Sun alignment with Sirius, the same alignments applies by astronomy, the Papal Bull was called "Exposcit Debitum", link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposcit_debitum

Astronomy graph for event regarding this below, as both happened on same day, i only show one event in Rome:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=3546&mode=view

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Firstly i have to say calendar builders use day markers, either sunset previous, modern midnight or Egyptian sunrise, the father of the Gregorian Calendar was Christopher Clavius, he wanted midnight as a marker, we still use this today regarding the Gregorian Calendar put in place in 1582 in Rome. Clavius was JESUIT!

http://en.wikipedia....stopher_Clavius

Even today Sirius brings in NEW Year, being in the centre of the sky, link below:-

http://www.berthoudr...f-the-new-year/

If you get "Oops link appears to be brocken" on above link, left click on "SEARCH".

On link below is my own work, please left click on icons at top of the page to understand how Clavius aligned Sirius to midnight at New Year:-

http://wintertriangle.wordpress.com/

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Most people think that "Renaissance" just means a revival of classical architecture, but it goes much further than that, a lot of people also began to bring back classical gods in astrology and politics!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_architecture

To give one example, can you see aspects the same with PETRA and WHITE HOUSE?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petra

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:White_House_North_Side_Comparison2.jpg

The Counter Reformation and Renaissance did overlap, by scrolling down link below to "Religious Orders", you will find that they were formed to counter the Protestant threat, tomorrow i will be investigating the Capuchins, Ursulines, Theatines, Discalced Carmelites, and Barnabites with establishment dates, it will take me a few days before i'm finished:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-Reformation

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The counter-Reformation was due to protestant splits with the Catholic Church, some would argue that this was started by Martin Luther, an Augustian monk between 1505-1520, before splitting away because he was concerned about granting indulgences and corruption, there were many rumours and facts down the grape vine during this period including link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banquet_of_Chestnuts

The BARNABITES were established by Papal Bull on 18th February 1533, the Pope may have aligned this to Bologna, Italy, but i doubt it as most Bulls were aligned to Rome and the vatican, indeed it doesn't matter as both locations show the same alignment on day. Egyptian sunrise day marker was chosen, as Sun rose at location, Alnilam, Belt of Orion was aligned to the Nadir, information links below:-

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02302a.htm

Please look to right of link below, 4th paragraph down:-

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/711021/posts

Please find graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7079&mode=view

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The Order of the Theatines was established on 24th June 1524 in Rome by the Papal Brief "Exponi Nobis" by Pope Clement VII, please note this is St. Johns Day, very important to Secret Societies like the Masons!

Egyptian sunrise day marker was chosen to mark event in the stars at location, the Sun rose with Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star, information links below, please scroll down to "Foundation" on first link:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatines

http://catholicunderthehood.com/2010/06/24/today-in-catholic-history-pope-clement-vii-confirms-the-order-of-the-theatines/

Astronomy graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7080&mode=view

I will continue tomorrow.

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The Order of the Capuchins were reformed in 1528, so need to be mentioned in the counter-reformation, however they are far older, being established on 29th November 1223 by Pope Honorius III and Papal Bull "Solet Annuere".

It would seem that midnight day marker was used, but the same in reverse would happen at Noon, at midnight in Rome, Alnilam, Belt of Orion was culminating in the middle of the sky, information below:-

http://www.goacapuchins.com/about-us/constitutions

http://www.goacapuchins.com/history/genesis-of-the-capuchin-order

Astronomy graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7081&mode=view

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In looking at the Counter-Reformation obviously the Ursulines were established during that time, it is very difficult to find dates to Papal Bulls or Briefs relating to them, if you find any information i would be grateful if you write to me, however i doubt that they would have an alignment to Sirius or Alnilam, because this is a female institution, Protestant and Catholic data shows there is discrimination against girls getting powerful positions within the church, this continues to our era, so it is usaully male orders that are aligned to the Egyptian stars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursulines

One good thing, girls, no heresy there ha ha!

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Obviously the girls have been subject to discrimination within the Christian Church, they would never forgive me if i didn't break my own rules over these thread sections, i said i would show new Catholic orders that were developed during the counter-reformation, i have done that with Jesuits, a powerful faction within the church, i'm not finished writing about them yet, but there is another powerful faction that most would agree, being the DOMINICANS!

They were established by Pope Honorius III in Rome on 22nd December 1216, please scroll down to 4th paragraph below to verify:-

http://www.op-stjoseph.org/hist-dom2.html

Ancient Greek day marker was used in Rome for date, so we are looking at sunset on 21st December 1216, as Sun set, Alnilam, Belt of Orion and Osiris star was rising along the horizon, astronomy graph on link below:-

http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7082&mode=view

As females have been overlooked and discriminated against in the Christian Church, perhaps you see my humour....do you think the Catholic Church "Walks Like an Egyptian?"

Please wait for second half of video below to see my humour ha ha!

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Hi Reann,

When i was a young man at 20, i was a ghost investigator and member of the Ghost Club and had limited access to one of the strangest ever cases, mainly because l lived minutes from a very spooky haunting in Enfield and knew Maurice Grosse, link below scroll down to thread section #7:-

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=214316

Information on this case is below:-

http://www.dailymail...itated-bed.html

Interesting !

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I have to pause here, as i'm suspicious of "electional Astrology" taking place....so what is electional astrology?

http://www.kimfarnell.co.uk/electional1.htm

In a few hours you will know when the cardinals begin the Papal Conclave to choose the new Pope, i see what will happen before it happens ha ha!

I'll let you know in a few hours ha ha!

Perhaps a bit of music? Obviously the music is geared against Barack Obama, which isn't my attitude, but it seemed most symbolic!

I'll be back soon!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj99KmTi6-w

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Hi Reann,

I was going to start some thread sections on Turkey tonight, but you have put me in a spiritual mood, so Turkey can wait till tomorrow!

No one has any idea of the year or date that Jesus Christ was born, but because of confusion one of the early dates may be because of Hermetic infiltration and getting on the band wagon, as i say religious thinkers steal from each other. Actually the earliest date was Epiphany for the Birth of Christ on 6th January, in 385AD a pilgrim called Egeria visited Bethlehem and noted that Christmas was celebrated on 6th January, please read link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=7067&mode=view

I'm not saying that this is the right date of birth, but by astronomy it is very interesting in why it was chosen, further information can be seen below:-

http://www.commonwea...g/blog/?p=22581

Firstly i would say that ancient and modern Jews use previous sunset as the start of the day, so we are looking at 5th January at sunset, don't worry about the year, as any alignment roughly two thousand years ago on date at sunset in Bethlehem will happen every year during that era, petering out in about 2nd century AD, so finding year isn't important to astronomy findings as long as we have it roughly right.

During the era of roughly two thousand years ago in Bethlehem at sunset on 5th January, which is when the day starts for Jews to what we know as Epiphany on 6th January, as Sun set, Sirius was rising, link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4079&mode=view

If i had been one of the Magi, i could have followed Sirius from Persia to Bethlehem, by viewing it just after sunset, this would have given me a direction to follow, but before i set out on my journey i would have to know Jesus's Birthday before i started or it doesn't work....something to think about!

If you scroll down page below to where i mention Jesus, i give further information:-

http://2012forum.com...22026&start=315

Please left click on any astronomy charts you wish to see larger.

Hi Reann,

I was going to start some thread sections on Turkey tonight, but you have put me in a spiritual mood, so Turkey can wait till tomorrow!

No one has any idea of the year or date that Jesus Christ was born, but because of confusion one of the early dates may be because of Hermetic infiltration and getting on the band wagon, as i say religious thinkers steal from each other. Actually the earliest date was Epiphany for the Birth of Christ on 6th January, in 385AD a pilgrim called Egeria visited Bethlehem and noted that Christmas was celebrated on 6th January, please read link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=7067&mode=view

I'm not saying that this is the right date of birth, but by astronomy it is very interesting in why it was chosen, further information can be seen below:-

http://www.commonwea...g/blog/?p=22581

Firstly i would say that ancient and modern Jews use previous sunset as the start of the day, so we are looking at 5th January at sunset, don't worry about the year, as any alignment roughly two thousand years ago on date at sunset in Bethlehem will happen every year during that era, petering out in about 2nd century AD, so finding year isn't important to astronomy findings as long as we have it roughly right.

During the era of roughly two thousand years ago in Bethlehem at sunset on 5th January, which is when the day starts for Jews to what we know as Epiphany on 6th January, as Sun set, Sirius was rising, link below:-

http://2012forum.com...=4079&mode=view

If i had been one of the Magi, i could have followed Sirius from Persia to Bethlehem, by viewing it just after sunset, this would have given me a direction to follow, but before i set out on my journey i would have to know Jesus's Birthday before i started or it doesn't work....something to think about!

If you scroll down page below to where i mention Jesus, i give further information:-

http://2012forum.com...22026&start=315

Please left click on any astronomy charts you wish to see larger.

I'm sort of at a stand still these days , I've been paying attention to individuals explaining astrotheology. It seems , what I once believed , I can't believe anymore ,not in the way I once believed.

I'm going to read over what you shared here now...

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do they walk like egyptians ? the entire church seems to follow the exact story of Ra and Mithros from what I'm learning is said to have been the same form a worship as christian moral or principles...

I don't know what to believe anymore , or i don't know exactly what i feel about the bible, just yet , anymore. I know that people say we all have been lied to, but they never say it with compassion, it's almost as though they say it with hate for christians, and so no one ever listens to them.

It's not easy to let go of someone like Jesus, even the name they gave him says alot.

You're right Monk ,when you said religion is complicated . I think it's that way because people created a system of order that worked for them , the same people knew the planets and stars,and...because there is truth in things , it becomes complicated .

I think Yeshua was a real person . I just don't know if he wanted to be portrayed as God. i honestly don't know anymore, I don't think I ever truly did . What I always felt about him was that he just wanted for everyone to come to the realization of how magnificent we all really are. I think he wanted for us all to find the Christ in ourselves ,and live it , as he did.

It's just really obvious that astrotheology and the entire story of Jesus are one in the same...Things have been done and in accordance with the planets and stars since forever, but if someone actually lied , and is giving out this "holy" eucharist , which was an exact ritual done in the pagan sun god worship, it really does make me question if Yeshua ever said to do that. I don't know, I just know it's terrible if it's all a lie. It's terrible to even have to wonder if it's a lie or not.

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