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Dopplegangers are phantoms of living people seen remotely from where the person actually is. Usually they appear when the person is ill or sleeping, or near death. But not always. To me, they are one of the most fascinating paranormal phenomenon. And that's partly because I have had this happen to me. The following are eight accounts of where I was seen or heard in more than one place at once. They will seem unbelievable, but the witnesses swear they saw what they saw. I of course have never seen my own double so all I have to go on is what they told me. The fifth and sixth incident could be explalined by mistaken identity. But since they happened all in a string with the other incidents, from about 2002 through 2005, I included them just because they seemed so similar.

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The first incident was when my daughter had her friend spend the night. I had been doing construction all day and was exhausted. Of course the girls insisted on staying up late and squealing. I was too tired to lift my head off my pillow or utter a sound. I remember wishing with all my might that they would SHUT UP. Suddenly they both came running into my room alarmed and stammering, "What do you want? We heard you whistling your whistle louder than ever from the kitchen." I told them I had been in bed wishing they would quiet down and unable to ask them to.

Second incident was again when I was exhausted and covered with dry wall mud from yet more construction. I had picked up my daughter and another friend from school and as the girls walked in front of me to enter the house and raid the fridge, I hesitated on the front porch torn between taking a shower or feeding our horses. I opted for the shower and went straight to my room and started gathering clean clothes from my dresser. The phone in my room began to ring and I shouted for the girls to get it as my arms were full. They didn't answer me. So I shouted much louder (the kitchen where I heard them chatting was merely 20 feet away through an open door- and people, I can yell) Still no answer. Instead I heard my daughter's friend ask her if she should get the phone. I yelled at the top of my lungs, "yes! get the phone!" Still nothing and it quit ringing so I rounded the corner of my door with clothes in hand to scold the girls who at once screamed and turned ash white when they saw me, stammering, "how...how did you get in the house so fast?!!" I now was really stumped. I told them I'd walked in on their heels and had been there the whole time. They insisted simultaneously that they both saw me clearly walking out to feed the horses just a half second before. At that point I thought we had an intruder, or at least that something weird was going on. I separated the girls in different rooms to get to the bottom of what had happened. They both reported seeing me in my jacket covered with drywall mud walking on the same path with the same movements to go feed the horses. They were actually watching me from the kitchen window and freaked out as one instant later I rounded the corner of the hall with an armfull of clean clothes. They were genuinely freaked out about it and took a while to shake it off. The friend of my daughter was one of those horse-crazy girls who would always want to come over and ride here. After this, she never returned to our ranch, ever, after years of coming over every week.

The third time was again, when I was tired from an illness but I had promised a friend that I'd show her how to make apple butter jam. I went to our little orchard, climbed the ladder and began picking these special apples for the recipe. I had about half a skirt full of apples when my son rounded the corner of the house and stopped dead in his tracks. Again, with a pale complexion he asked how I got from walking into the greenhouse (50 feet away) and up on the ladder with so many apples in less than a second? By this time I had figured out that my double was emerging and I did my best to assure my shaken son that Mommy was "splitting up" again as we like to joke nowadays.

The fourth incident was when my son was messing with the goats and teasing them (an activity I've forbidden him to do) He looked at a bush near our kitchen door and I was there from the waist up, as he described: "ten times my usual size" and just looming at him glaring. He stopped messing with the goats! I was in the house instead, resting.

The fifth incident was when I had hemorrhaged at a hospital on a Sunday. The phlebotomist who was checking my hemoglobin that evening said "Hi, nice to see you again". I told her I hadn't seen her, to which she gave me the classic "don't call me a liar" look, and explained that not only had she seen me the day before on her shift, but clearly remembered my name and having had talked with me (I was out of it the Sunday the ambulance brought me in and could barely life my head off my pillow, let alone carry on a conversation on the verge of a needing a blood transfusion.) In hindsight, I couldn't have talked with her earlier even if she was mistaken about talking to me the day before instead of earlier Sunday. I'd gotten just enough strength back that evening to answer short questions. The day she reported seeing me, I was at a Bar-B-Que 20 miles away with multiple witnesses, went home and night and went to bed without leaving my town.

The sixth incident was just a short while later when I went for a checkup after I'd gotten my hemoglobin back up on bed rest at home. I usually do my own carpentry, but was too weak still and with winter coming on, I hired a friend to replace three failed windows. I was with him the whole day and remembered at the last second about my checkup. I raced to the appointment and when the doctor came in she looked me up and down and said "I saw you earlier today" to which I replied that she hadn't and got the classic "look". She went on to describe me, my clothes I was wearing, my hair etc. and insisted it was me. I just replied that alot of people were saying that these days ..and changed the subject. Trouble is, I was 20 miles away from where she said she saw me, at the time she saw me.

The seventh incident was when my son and his friend were talking with me near our loganberry patch and my son suddenly said, "hey, there you are coming from the kitchen. But it's not you, it's just your dress with the red flowers with no head, arms or legs". I turned around and nothing was there. His little friend was turned away at the time and didn't see anything; she was facing him as was I and looking the opposite direction. I was facing the same direction as my son, but saw nothing.

The eighth incident was my tenants, which are a man and wife, their adult son and girlfriend, all saw me walking with someone else as clear as day up at the main house just a fifty feet away. The wife had something she wanted to tell me, and they turned to see me there. The others urged her to run up just before they left and tell me; to which she did. As she approached with her husband seconds later, I simply "vanished" before their eyes. Apparenlty the son and girlfriend hadn't followed the action and were fussing with their car. They thought I'd run off, again since their brains couldn't compute that kind of info like vanishing, they ran around the house, barns, shop etc. and could not locate me or the person I was with: apparently a man... when I asked if they were certain it was me or maybe someone else come to see if I was home, they all simultaneously insisted (with that classic "don't you call me a liar" insistance that I've become familiar with in witnesses) it was absolutely me. I have unusual angular features and am very distinct looking in frame and form. The problem is that at the exact time they saw me, I was in a town over 300 miles away, exhausted from driving nearly 9 hours straight.

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Share your stories. I have more of other people having the same thing happen but I'll dole them out one by one as this thread progresses.

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Weird, I've had experiences in seeing a ghost or having a premonition that came true but nothing like this. Does this still happen?

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Not recently. Different things are happening now but not that. I had a recurring bleeding issue where progressively over about 5 years I was becoming severely anemic without being aware of it. My theory is that I was actually "dying" and my ghost was somehow able to separate but still remain alive inside my body. Other dopplegangers described in historical accounts relay similar things. They happen when people are tired, worn out or ill in some way..or actually dying. One account a friend of mine told me was when her husband and she were stunned afraid for their daughter. After I told her my account, she, a normally uber-sceptical person, loosened up and told me what happened to her husband's doppleganger.

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They were hanging out with friends. The man is somewhat of a motor head and was helping a friend work on his truck. The wife stood on the porch some distance away while their 3 year old daughter played on the ground in the yard. Suddenly and for no reason [hate the breed], the pitbull dog with the men startled at something the girl grabbed and instantly took off running top speed towards her, growling and menacing. Alarmed, the men turned around, the wife yelled for help hysterically and in less than an instant, the man disappeared from the truck and appeared between the charging pitbull and his daughter in time to kick the dog in the head until it backed away. It clearly meant to kill the girl and the dad's doppleganger, his entire physicality actually, travelled about 200 feet in a fraction of a second, overtook the dog's approach and appeared between it and his daughter. They don't like to talk about the incident and the wife told me I was the only one she spoke to of it besides her husband and their friend who were there and all saw it happen.

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Facsinating stuff. Must be creepy.

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To me, especially with the man and the pitbull, it was an act that proves we are intending the world around us more than just accidentally being here. That man willed himself between the pitbull and his daughter. So strong was his concern, his entire being poured into the effort of moving across that distance instantly. He was by God going to save the life of his daughter...and nothing, even time and space and the laws of physics were going to stop him...and so he did.

That's the part that makes you question what is real and what isn't.

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What would be even more fascinating is if other people have heard of or experienced dopplegangers themselves. How about it? Anyone else? This can't just be happening to me.

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The word in German for a person’s double is “Doppelganger,” and means “double walker” or “double goer.” The terms “shadow self,” “Fetch,” and “look-alike” are also used.

Some believe seeing one’s own, or a family member’s, doppelganger, is a portent of illness, bad luck, or even death.

Many think that a person is able to “will” his image to another location, a form of bilocation – being in two places simultaneously.

A famous case is that of a young French teacher, Emilie Sagee. Most of her students in 1846 and 1846 often witnessed Sagee’s doppelganger. The double would often mimic the young woman’s movements, be very active while Sagee remained motionless, and appear healthy during times that Sagee was known to be ill.

One time, all the students in the school saw Emilie Sagee working in the school’s gardens at the same time that they could see her sitting in a chair in the room with them! When two of the more courageous students attempted to interact with the image in the chair, they discovered an “odd resistance in the air surrounding it.” Ms. Sagee never did see her own double. http://www.bellaonli...es/art62045.asp

This is one of the best documented cases of dopplegangers in history with the most witnesses, but there are others. Anyone else with personal experiences of their own? The thing my own double experiences had in common with Emilee Sagee's is that I also was very ill while my double appeared "robust and healthy" to onlookers. In fact, when my illnessess slowed down a bit, people stopped seeing my doppleganger. Soldiers undergoing great stress in battle are also among the most common sightings of dopplegangers. I know of a man whose sister in law saw his brother on the front porch for a minute or so while he was overseas getting heavy action in Vietnam. He "returned" to see her. He came back alive but unfortunately committeed suicide not long after returning to the states..

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I used to attempt "astral projection" from time to time.

Usually while lying in bed before going to sleep. I'd imagine leaving my body and walking out the door and around the neighborhood trying to make it as real and vivid in my imagination as possible but nothing much ever came of it.

One time however, I was working in a friends empty house doing some construction work and spent several nights there sleeping on the floor in a sleeping bag rather than traveling back and forth.

One night, before going to sleep I did the "astral projection" thing but dozed off to sleep in the process.

The next day I was walking up to the nearby town to get some lunch and a neighbor back home where I lived stopped their car on the side of the road to talk to me. She said that she had been listening to the police frequency on the CB and said that the previous night the police had chased a long haired naked man who climbed up a tree and "disappeared" on the street which ran in front of the house where I was sleeping. She said that from the description the police had given of the man she was sure it was me.

I laughed and told her "no it wasn't me".

Later I began to wonder, recalling my "astral projection" attempt that previous night, but I had no conscious recollection of any such chase by the police. I had gone to sleep naked that night and the incident apparently happened nearby the house where I was sleeping on the same street. That the guy apparently vanished and was never apprehended seems to indicate that the cops were chasing some kind of apparition so who knows?

I've had a few other similar occurrences that might possibly be attributed to sleepwalking where things I had intended through "visualization" happened or were carried out while I was sleeping in some rather inexplicable way, but what actually took place in those instances I can't really say but sleepwalking might be one explanation. Someone climbing up a tree and vanishing however can't, I don't think, be attributed to sleepwalking. Not physical or literal sleepwalking anyway.

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I used to attempt "astral projection" from time to time.

Usually while lying in bed before going to sleep. I'd imagine leaving my body and walking out the door and around the neighborhood trying to make it as real and vivid in my imagination as possible but nothing much ever came of it.

One time however, I was working in a friends empty house doing some construction work and spent several nights there sleeping on the floor in a sleeping bag rather than traveling back and forth.

One night, before going to sleep I did the "astral projection" thing but dozed off to sleep in the process.

The next day I was walking up to the nearby town to get some lunch and a neighbor back home where I lived stopped their car on the side of the road to talk to me. She said that she had been listening to the police frequency on the CB and said that the previous night the police had chased a long haired naked man who climbed up a tree and "disappeared" on the street which ran in front of the house where I was sleeping. She said that from the description the police had given of the man she was sure it was me.

I laughed and told her "no it wasn't me".

Later I began to wonder, recalling my "astral projection" attempt that previous night, but I had no conscious recollection of any such chase by the police. I had gone to sleep naked that night and the incident apparently happened nearby the house where I was sleeping on the same street. That the guy apparently vanished and was never apprehended seems to indicate that the cops were chasing some kind of apparition so who knows?

I've had a few other similar occurrences that might possibly be attributed to sleepwalking where things I had intended through "visualization" happened or were carried out while I was sleeping in some rather inexplicable way, but what actually took place in those instances I can't really say but sleepwalking might be one explanation. Someone climbing up a tree and vanishing however can't, I don't think, be attributed to sleepwalking. Not physical or literal sleepwalking anyway.

Neat story. It was probably you. Other people might doubt it but I don't. Not anymore anyway.. The fact that you went to sleep naked is the thing that tipped me off. Many times in lucid dreaming and doing "travel" I will look down at my clothes and its always the nightgown I was wearing when I went to bed. I have about five different ones, different colors and styles. And every single time I wake up from one of those dreams where I notice the one I'm wearing, it matches the one I put on that night. Once I even remember the underwear I was wearing! And it was the same. Have about 10 different pairs of those.

You'd think if they were just normal dreams there would be natural variations in the clothing that might or might not match. I've had regular dreams this way where I wearing outlandish stuff and there's no control. So the fact that you were naked when you went to bed and a naked man was chased up a tree and then vanished is compelling evidence to me.

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Daughter saw my double again last night. This would be the first time in many years. She said she saw me walking from our TV room into the kitchen. When she discovered I was still sitting where she'd left a few minutes before and hadn't gotten up, she was so startled that she had to kneel to catch her breath and calm down. I apologized. But I wasn't surprised. I've been so overextended lately and just whipped tired. And this is when it always happens. I have no control over it at all. Just none. It's kind of frustrating.

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I don't think a doppleganger is the case in this. I can almost say for certain that your daughter is so used to you getting up and leaving the room that she attributed a noise you made to you leaving the room when you didn't. Perhaps while watching tv?

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Zac Efron is my doppelganger.

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I don't think a doppleganger is the case in this. I can almost say for certain that your daughter is so used to you getting up and leaving the room that she attributed a noise you made to you leaving the room when you didn't. Perhaps while watching tv?

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She said she saw clearly a human figure walking, wearing all dark clothes, my height and weight. I was wearing all dark clothes last night. She saw it walk by, was watching it from the distant hallway. She was so sure she saw it.."me" that when she rounded the corner and saw me with my feet up where she left me and asked how I'd gotten there, she almost went into shock.

It's happened before as you can read in the OP. It's been years but man have I been tired this week. The week included mourning a dead child of a friend, court and pouring a foundation for a barn. If it was going to pop out, this would for sure be the week.

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She said she saw clearly a human figure walking, wearing all dark clothes, my height and weight. I was wearing all dark clothes last night. She saw it walk by, was watching it from the distant hallway. She was so sure she saw it.."me" that when she rounded the corner and saw me with my feet up where she left me and asked how I'd gotten there, she almost went into shock.

It's happened before as you can read in the OP. It's been years but man have I been tired this week. The week included mourning a dead child of a friend, court and pouring a foundation for a barn. If it was going to pop out, this would for sure be the week.

Please excuse me, I must have lost track somewhere along this thread.

My thoughts are that something of an impression in time took place.. Time is not a straight line and a definite 'loop-back' or forward might have happened. I can't possibly explain such any other way.

I truly wish I could provide definite answers with all I have experienced of these things, and I wish you the best on finding an answer.

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Please excuse me, I must have lost track somewhere along this thread.

My thoughts are that something of an impression in time took place.. Time is not a straight line and a definite 'loop-back' or forward might have happened. I can't possibly explain such any other way.

I truly wish I could provide definite answers with all I have experienced of these things, and I wish you the best on finding an answer.

We were musing that it might have been that actually. Like she saw me walking from an hour or so before or in the future when I'd walk there again. I don't know. It's the strangest thing. But like I said, it always seems to happen when I'm nearly beyond my limit with fatigue.

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I've always wondered myself and have tried to research it. I guess it's one of those mysteries we still haven't had definite proof of yet.

I've been told before that someone has seen me in a place I would occasionally go, but I wasn't there that day. I still don't have answers on that and it's been years.

Weird stuff definitely.

I hope you and your daughter can come into terms about all of this, open your mind to possibility but research yourself. I truly wish I could help further!

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I've always wondered myself and have tried to research it. I guess it's one of those mysteries we still haven't had definite proof of yet.

I've been told before that someone has seen me in a place I would occasionally go, but I wasn't there that day. I still don't have answers on that and it's been years.

Weird stuff definitely.

I hope you and your daughter can come into terms about all of this, open your mind to possibility but research yourself. I truly wish I could help further!

The incident where I split in half and one of me went to feed while the other one went to get clothes to shower has me the most stumped of all. It was as if two parallel realities were happening at the same time in the same place. Numerous anomolies remain to be explained:

1. How the girls saw me walking out in my clothes covered with drywall mud which could not be mistaken for anyone else at all that day.

2. How I kept yelling at the top of my lungs for the girls to get the phone ringing in my room, and the girls just a short distance away simply did not respond at all and kept chatting as if completely uninterrupted. They swore later upon separate questioning that neither one heard a thing coming from my room.

3. How my daughter's friend said she came into my room just as the phone stopped ringing to try to answer it, had to enter right through the door which faced directly at the dresser where I was standing. I did not see her come in. She did not see me there.

4. How if I was in the more "robust" form to be seen walking out to the stalls, where apparently I was invisible in my room, I actually produced something in my room [an armful of clothes] while I produced nothing where I was seen [the horses were not fed].

5. How the witnesses were so shaken that day and screamed. The horse-crazy girl who always made excuses to come over for years, never again set foot on our place and avoids even my daughter when she encouters her in daily life even still.

These anomolies mean that physics is not quite as we understand it. And for my money, more than my puny little accounts, this is the bigger question of what was happening to me....and happening still..apparently...

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The incident where I split in half and one of me went to feed while the other one went to get clothes to shower has me the most stumped of all. It was as if two parallel realities were happening at the same time in the same place. Numerous anomolies remain to be explained:

1. How the girls saw me walking out in my clothes covered with drywall mud which could not be mistaken for anyone else at all that day.

2. How I kept yelling at the top of my lungs for the girls to get the phone ringing in my room, and the girls just a short distance away simply did not respond at all and kept chatting as if completely uninterrupted. They swore later upon separate questioning that neither one heard a thing coming from my room.

3. How my daughter's friend said she came into my room just as the phone stopped ringing to try to answer it, had to enter right through the door which faced directly at the dresser where I was standing. I did not see her come in. She did not see me there.

4. How if I was in the more "robust" form to be seen walking out to the stalls, where apparently I was invisible in my room, I actually produced something in my room [an armful of clothes] while I produced nothing where I was seen [the horses were not fed].

5. How the witnesses were so shaken that day and screamed. The horse-crazy girl who always made excuses to come over for years, never again set foot on our place and avoids even my daughter when she encouters her in daily life even still.

These anomolies mean that physics is not quite as we understand it. And for my money, more than my puny little accounts, this is the bigger question of what was happening to me....and happening still..apparently...

I just ran across your post today. You are a lot like my mother! I think you are subconsciously projecting a lower astral form very close to our dimension, a living person's ghost more or less like you said in the beginning.

I've also discovered Tibetan monk writings of their astral double creations by the masters are seamingly the same "form" Kaballah talks about being a shell of the form of the physical body that can travel outside of the person and appear to fly levitate etc. Many of the stories of Djinn could also be a manifestation of these conscious but non physical forms? I also just read in the new testament the other day about Jesus appearing and then ascending into the sky after the ressurrection. I noticed something very different in the discriptions of the different gospels. When he appeared to Thomas and said he was not a spirit but flesh and blood, yet when he was witnessed "ascending" in a verse elsewhere it said he took the "FORM" and appeared to them. I immediately thought, the doppleganger was what witnessed ascending into the sky! Just like Yogi masters and their projected forms?

I suspect that poltergheists and telekinesis is actually the same "force" or energy field that is manipulated to bring about a different effect but works just like the doppleganger effect. People who experience it are linked to a natural genetic ability. These people are kind of like an electric eel, they have a power other fish don't have but you don't need to know how it works or why, it just happens for you!

I think I posted this once before but here's my experience, it was many years ago but you never forget that kind of thing and it changes your whole view on the reality. When you share these experiences with others you discover many different clues to how it all works. When these things happen it's not discussed much with good reasons. Most people who witness these things first hand consider you a witch!

This what happened with my mother.

I believe it was a form of doppleganger but then I don't know what a doppleganger really is!

It's a real experience but the reason, the what is it , the how and the why of the experiences is still unknown as far as I know.

Several different kinds of simular psychic experiences may not even really be the same in nature but created the doppleganger legends. Years ago I was trying to find the some answers because it was so weird and something you never really want to discuss at all. UM is a wonderful way to get insights anonymously on all kinds of subjects, welcome!

Seems to me, people who have an extra sense to something are able to see them just like "ghosts".

Ghosts are like the doppleganger legends in a way. Who really knows if they are all the same phenomena but in myths they are called demons, poltergheists, ghosts, shapeshifters, witches etc.

All I can say I KNOW is that the cause is some kind of manipulation of an energy field of some kind.

Who or what causes the manipulation, God only knows.

Physics and precise study isn't there for us to know the answer.

So people who have experiences can only speculate with their own beliefs which only creates more myths. Some people are more sensitive to this energy field and even the time and place has something to do with the strength of the occurrances. The sensitivity itself varies person to person.

I will share the experience that led me to do a little research doppleganger myths trying to make sense of it.

It happened to me when my uncle came back to the states on leave from Vietnam. Eight friends and family were there when he drove in the drive way and then we were just talking to each other and making plans for a going away party in a few days. My mother walked up behind me, then to my left side and was just standing there smiling weirdly and not saying anything for about 10 minutes which wasn't like her. When I tried to elbow her to answer Marie, I didn't feel her and she vanished! I looked towards our house on the same street. Marie a Navy friend asked me where my mom went and I pointed that my mother was mowing the lawn at our house up the street. I was in shock after everyone who wasn't family left, I discovered that only my grandfather, myself and Marie had seen her and talked "at her".

I went home and asked my mother if she got off the mower and then went back and she said no. She didn't have enough time to do that, but I still had to ask.... She said she wanted to finish the lawn but she really really wanted to be there SO much that in a few seconds she had more or less what is now called a remote viewing event .... part of her was there but she was really on the mower! I asked why she didn't come over and she said she wasn't dressed properly. She was wearing a housedress when we saw her not her yard work clothes which she was really wearing.

She said she remembered being in both places! She said she could see the people clearly but could not hear them very well. She only heard parts of the conversation but it was only what Marie, my granddad, and I said. Those were the other two people who SAW "her" there. She then told me what we said to each other! My mother said she didn't know how she could do it but it wasn't the first time! She called it the gift of "daydreaming reality" but she can't always do it when she'd like. She told me that since we could see her that meant we also had a gift. (it sounded more like it could be a curse to me and mom was a witch or something like that!)

My grandad and I never viewed my mother in the same way after that. His comment to me was "don't become like your mother, she has a "gift" but doesn't always use it for good. She would have been burnt at the stake if it were a different day and age"

My very God loving and spiritual grandmother once again consoled me... "Ours is not to know how God works the mysteries of creation but only to have faith, praise and do what He says which will eventually bring love and goodness into the world" She didn't see my mother that day but told me she saw her do things like that before and thought they were demonic and was afraid for her soul since you aren't supposed to those certain gifts unless God Himself tells you to use them! I guess my mother always had a sixth sense and a temper to get her way one way or another and really weird things always seemed to happen around her.

Because of this I believe there are some people that have an ability and can be like a "ghost" even though they are alive.

They somehow manipulate some kind of energy field usually subconsciously, I guess.

Are they evil or demonic?...I don't know but I don't really think so.

It makes you look at religious miracles and myths in a different way when you witness something bizarre like this. Some saints and prophets are said to be able to do this but I know you don't need to be one!

Why doesn't my uncle have the "gift"?

What is the "gift" really and why aren't people who have it able to control it better?

In my mother's case, why does she pay physically ?

(It appears to take something from her bones and joints when she is successful in using this "gift")

Those are some of the questions I've asked myself about the doppleganger effect ALL my life

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...Because of this I believe there are some people that have an ability and can be like a "ghost" even though they are alive.

They somehow manipulate some kind of energy field usually subconsciously, I guess.

Are they evil or demonic?...I don't know but I don't really think so.

It makes you look at religious miracles and myths in a different way when you witness something bizarre like this. Some saints and prophets are said to be able to do this but I know you don't need to be one!

Why doesn't my uncle have the "gift"?

What is the "gift" really and why aren't people who have it able to control it better?

In my mother's case, why does she pay physically ?

(It appears to take something from her bones and joints when she is successful in using this "gift")

Those are some of the questions I've asked myself about the doppleganger effect ALL my life

Well I'm not a witch. I'm not evil. And I'm not demonic. In fact, small children often smile at me in the midst of having a tantrum with other adults. Animals seem very calm around me too. Even ones that are normally skittish. I have a calming effect on untame horses. And it's why I've always done well working with them and training them. My daughter has other gifts, similar, but not the same as mine. There are a couple of family members who hear and see voices and people that aren't there. So there is a genetic component I suspect.

My talent is pretty unremarkable in that I can't control it. It just happens. And it always seems to happen when I'm almost beyond my limit with fatigue. It is as if I'm dying but not quite dead. So my "ghost" separates. I had an illness that was acute many years ago and once I believe in my sleep my heart stopped. (One of the symptoms was arrythmia) I awoke later in the morning after my little girl was urging me to wake up. I had to be "sung back" to my body by a chorus of the most unbelievably sweet voices from a dream/death state. When I woke up, my entire body was ice cold, under layers of thick blankets in a warm house. It took me hours to get up. When I did I was very groggy, like drunk. I stayed like that for days and slowly came back to normal. I think the cells in my body had actually begun to decompose. I was about 27 at the time.

I think after that, things were never the same for me. But I always had a really deep penchant for lucid dreaming. I think that is a link to dopplegangers, somehow.

The curious thing is that with my last post, I mentioned there being two parallel realities going on next to each other where the worlds were sort of overlapping. You hear this in ghost documentaries sometimes. If they pick up a ghost, sometimes it will say "who are these people??" or "what is happening?" It's as if "reaching out" to each other causes the fabric separating those two worlds to unravel for a few minutes.

I really wouldn't get all weird about people who produce a double like this. I certainly just shrug it off to just another odd thing that some people can do. Though my daughter was pretty rattled the other night after she saw me walkling where I wasn't. She should be used to it by now but it's the type of thing you never quite get used to. She actually had to kneel to catch her breath and not faint. (She is a bit of a drama queen sometimes). But then I just kept saying I was sorry, started joking with her about it and then she was laughing about it like I was next thing you know.

These things are much better handled if you don't make a big deal out of them. It's more fun and advisable to study them analytically, IMHO.

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Well I'm not a witch. I'm not evil. And I'm not demonic. In fact, small children often smile at me in the midst of having a tantrum with other adults. Animals seem very calm around me too. Even ones that are normally skittish. I have a calming effect on untame horses. And it's why I've always done well working with them and training them. My daughter has other gifts, similar, but not the same as mine. There are a couple of family members who hear and see voices and people that aren't there. So there is a genetic component I suspect.

My talent is pretty unremarkable in that I can't control it. It just happens. And it always seems to happen when I'm almost beyond my limit with fatigue. It is as if I'm dying but not quite dead. So my "ghost" separates. I had an illness that was acute many years ago and once I believe in my sleep my heart stopped. (One of the symptoms was arrythmia) I awoke later in the morning after my little girl was urging me to wake up. I had to be "sung back" to my body by a chorus of the most unbelievably sweet voices from a dream/death state. When I woke up, my entire body was ice cold, under layers of thick blankets in a warm house. It took me hours to get up. When I did I was very groggy, like drunk. I stayed like that for days and slowly came back to normal. I think the cells in my body had actually begun to decompose. I was about 27 at the time.

I think after that, things were never the same for me. But I always had a really deep penchant for lucid dreaming. I think that is a link to dopplegangers, somehow.

The curious thing is that with my last post, I mentioned there being two parallel realities going on next to each other where the worlds were sort of overlapping. You hear this in ghost documentaries sometimes. If they pick up a ghost, sometimes it will say "who are these people??" or "what is happening?" It's as if "reaching out" to each other causes the fabric separating those two worlds to unravel for a few minutes.

I really wouldn't get all weird about people who produce a double like this. I certainly just shrug it off to just another odd thing that some people can do. Though my daughter was pretty rattled the other night after she saw me walkling where I wasn't. She should be used to it by now but it's the type of thing you never quite get used to. She actually had to kneel to catch her breath and not faint. (She is a bit of a drama queen sometimes). But then I just kept saying I was sorry, started joking with her about it and then she was laughing about it like I was next thing you know.

These things are much better handled if you don't make a big deal out of them. It's more fun and advisable to study them analytically, IMHO.

Well I'm not a witch. I'm not evil. And I'm not demonic. In fact, small children often smile at me in the midst of having a tantrum with other adults. Animals seem very calm around me too. Even ones that are normally skittish. I have a calming effect on untame horses. And it's why I've always done well working with them and training them. My daughter has other gifts, similar, but not the same as mine. There are a couple of family members who hear and see voices and people that aren't there. So there is a genetic component I suspect.

My talent is pretty unremarkable in that I can't control it. It just happens. And it always seems to happen when I'm almost beyond my limit with fatigue. It is as if I'm dying but not quite dead. So my "ghost" separates. I had an illness that was acute many years ago and once I believe in my sleep my heart stopped. (One of the symptoms was arrythmia) I awoke later in the morning after my little girl was urging me to wake up. I had to be "sung back" to my body by a chorus of the most unbelievably sweet voices from a dream/death state. When I woke up, my entire body was ice cold, under layers of thick blankets in a warm house. It took me hours to get up. When I did I was very groggy, like drunk. I stayed like that for days and slowly came back to normal. I think the cells in my body had actually begun to decompose. I was about 27 at the time.

I think after that, things were never the same for me. But I always had a really deep penchant for lucid dreaming. I think that is a link to dopplegangers, somehow.

The curious thing is that with my last post, I mentioned there being two parallel realities going on next to each other where the worlds were sort of overlapping. You hear this in ghost documentaries sometimes. If they pick up a ghost, sometimes it will say "who are these people??" or "what is happening?" It's as if "reaching out" to each other causes the fabric separating those two worlds to unravel for a few minutes.

I really wouldn't get all weird about people who produce a double like this. I certainly just shrug it off to just another odd thing that some people can do. Though my daughter was pretty rattled the other night after she saw me walkling where I wasn't. She should be used to it by now but it's the type of thing you never quite get used to. She actually had to kneel to catch her breath and not faint. (She is a bit of a drama queen sometimes). But then I just kept saying I was sorry, started joking with her about it and then she was laughing about it like I was next thing you know.

These things are much better handled if you don't make a big deal out of them. It's more fun and advisable to study them analytically, IMHO.

I didn't mean you were a witch LOL It's all in how you USE the ability.

My mother was never forgiving to her enemies, she can control it sometimes and go to them in a form other than her own image and attach to them until they are dead. She told me she could send the energy into them and scare them to death with her will. When she did this I could see it coming from her eyes and feel the red fire like cloudish force leave her! This is not a thing to play with, it can be used for evil! I was I child and I always considered my mother was born a witch and I wanted to learn more about it, just like your daughter will. My mother is also a very loving person and was a real life Dr Doolittle with animals, she said she loved animals because they were never evil like most people. She is a double edged sword and times I know she does bad things without conscious intent since she has the ability, don't make her hate you, even for a moment, she still scares me to this day :(

I know it has to genetic and also can be related to NDE for some people. Her mother was very devout to only the good and God and experienced several NDE. Her prayers were answered and she communicated with God and angels all the time, she loved her enemies as Jesus would say to do. She was the most saintly loving person I ever knew in this life. She always had hope that my mother would turn from her hateful revengeful attitude that came over her. She always prayed for the whole world and expected me to do the same and to take her PLACE when SHE decided to die and go back to God and the angels. She said I was her real daughter and had my mother to have me? she passed something into me that day and I channelled more then ever not to my will but to a good will way above mine to help make a difference in the world and reconcile the evil. It was all very weird to me at the time and she revealed many spiritual and mundane family secrets that day. I understand it more now.

My father could astral "it was in his family", but he did not take on the lower "form" linked closer to matter, but he couldn't go to the highest realms like his grandmother could. I could always astral since I was a child, so I kind of thought is was just like you wake up in one place go to sleep there and wake up in another. I could communicate with the dead and angels, but I didn't know what kind of entity angels really were and some people there were like me ALIVE. My grandmother told me not to tell people about the gifts and always ask God for permission to use it first, since these things are to meant to stay a mystery of God. It was only then when I realized other people didn't have it.

I became a mystic with a scientist like desire and experimental attitude at a young age trying to figure it all out ! What people call majic is just a natural force controlled connecting several dimensions not usually perceived. We live between a lot of different universes that CAN connect with one another, and some of us have the blessing or the curse of the consumation of making those connections, it is awesome. Always use it with love compassion and empathy and it won't take from you or your health. I think your daughter will be like me and discover a lot more especially since I see science is coming to a better understanding about the atomic quantuum physic effects on biology that links between the DNA RNA levels with a form of hydrogen. I see they are working on some of my theories how and why it really works. I suspect it will connect science with an explaination of weird gifts and alternate realities of mysticism when they learn more about how nature's biological quantuum computers funtion :)

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I didn't mean you were a witch LOL It's all in how you USE the ability.

My mother was never forgiving to her enemies, she can control it sometimes and go to them in a form other than her own image and attach to them until they are dead. She told me she could send the energy into them and scare them to death with her will. When she did this I could see it coming from her eyes and feel the red fire like cloudish force leave her! This is not a thing to play with, it can be used for evil! I was I child and I always considered my mother was born a witch and I wanted to learn more about it, just like your daughter will. My mother is also a very loving person and was a real life Dr Doolittle with animals, she said she loved animals because they were never evil like most people. She is a double edged sword and times I know she does bad things without conscious intent since she has the ability, don't make her hate you, even for a moment, she still scares me to this day

Wow :blink:

If I'm doing that to other people I'm certainly not aware of it. Though I could sure think of some candidates. Hating people takes far too much energy I've found over the years. You just cannot sustain it without borrowed energy as you age. And the place where you have to borrow it from, I am NOT going!

It has made me wonder though how many other times my double was seen and what it was up to. These are just the reports from people I know who told me about them?

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This is from a dream thread post. This is how it all started with me. You don't really need to be asleep to experience the connections. Lucid dreaming appears to be the first and easiest step of connecting to your subconscious that has to be linked to your awake conscious before you experience the more profound types of connections. BTW I haven't had a dream that isn't lucid for many years now but I did when I was younger or extremely ill. Anyway I believe all of these things are linked and your daughter will find her special ways of understanding and benefiting from it too. It seems more people are experiencing things now or maybe they are just more willing to share?

Your daughter is a very lucky girl, when I was freaking out over my mother, there was no internet or a teacher to help you understand what was going on because you knew you were different too and it was something you couldn't talk about. It took me 50 years before I really felt I was understanding how it all fits! The more you discover the more you find out how little you know. You learn very quickly from your own successful experiments, but you shouldn't prove your discoveries or abilities to just anyone because then most are afraid of you just like the girl who loved your horses!

The important thing is to learn from it and prove some things to yourself and keep a sceptic attitude by experimenting in a way to discover a repeatable proof with other witnesses involved. Sometimes the other people involved think of you as a guru or an angel or something which is just as bad! I've experienced many facinating things in my life and try to share with others who I believe are experiencing the same types of things so they can avoid the pitfalls and misperceptions that can happen.When you start your personal search it seems more different types of experiences come your way and other people seek you out (nuts and researchers too) and then your way in over your head! It is a never ending awesome ride once you open those doors. I wish you the best :)

Anyway, this is how one of the gifts became known to me:

Some dreams are what I call stupid dreams, the kind where its your subconscious thoughts. Then there's the kind where you feel you're really somewhere else with them or they come to you, ...stupid dream abruptly ends and then you are like somewhere else.

I was about 4 when my apparently healthy but very old great grandfather died suddenly. It was my first experience of a family death and I got told the usual he's in heaven thing. I cried because I thought I'd never see him again and I was told I was too young to go see him at the service and it was during my bedtime. But I dreamed I was there! I saw his body and people there and he was floating above with me like a shiny version of himself. I saw something or someone else there with us like a beautiful colorful shining star. He told me not to cry that dead people aren't really dead they just change back into what they really are and there's different places they can go. He told me I could go to places while alive in the same way although most people don't do it until they die. I asked what the star thing was and he told me it was an angel. I told my family and my grandmother told me it would be better not to tell people about my dream and that God works in mysterious ways.

My next experience with a death of a loved one was my grandfather when I was 7. No one suspected he died because he was still younger. That deceased grandfather never came to me in any dreams but SOMETHING came in real life told me about him.

I saw a mistlike thing with really weird dark big eyes while playing in a wood pile in the woods and being a kid I thought- neat it's a Casper or something! I started questioning him and he didn't answer my questions and I got scared. Then it "spoke" to me in thought and said he was my grandad's father that I never knew. He told me he came because it was important for me to tell my dad that my grandfather was dead. I always believed in a land of the dead as I called it where I saw my great grandfather in my dream but I didn't know they could come to us while awake -double neat!!! I ran home and told my mother. She called my grandfather's house, no answer, then the neighbors, then the police since the neighbors said they didn't see him and he was supposed to be home. Dad got off early and we went to my grandfather's house. He had been dead for three days, yuk! That was the proof I needed for myself that some if not all people don't really die like most grownups understand it happens. I knew in my heart, my grandfather was never really that horrible, stinky yukky thing stuck to the floor but it was only a body something like a broken robot!

I was really young but that was the day when I truly became devoted to understand life, death and the those other places or connections that somehow exist beyond the understanding of modern science or religions.

As I got older I became skeptical of my own belief system, mainly because I was exposed to more science as well as a vast variety of religious doctrines. I always try to analyze events for more then face value.

Was is it just a manifestation of some kind of telepathy of subconscious or group subconscious that comes to you in a way that you understand?

Some religious views would say it was a demon since it said it was my great grandfather and the dead are dead?

Was that misty form with really big eyes actually what some people call aliens?

Was I just delusional and the message being true was just a coincidence?

I was really young but that was first day when I began a quest to try understand life, death and the those other places or connections that somehow exist beyond the understanding of modern science and religions.

Many years later, I lost my other grandfather. I was closer to him than anyone and I was devestated. He had a long lingering death and I wasn't at his side when it happened. I felt so guilty I wasn't there and would be so alone without him. Just before his funeral when I was crying I saw him but transparent, younger and healthy and he spoke very quickly and disappeared. Don't cry, it's ok ...and for crying out loud you have to tell your mother, "There are other people here". I was surprised and confused, I thought I've just lost my sanity for sure!

I reluctly told my mother after the funeral at her house. She cried in happiness and started jumping up and down saying "My God he did it this is wonderful!" She told him to give her that message of those exact words if he could to let her know for certain that people live after death. He agreed. She said they were doing a Houdini like experiment with a message what ever that is. She wanted to know if he was able to reunite with her beloved Grandma and Uncle so she could rest assured in seeing them again too...... Only my mother would ask a dying man to speak a certain phrase into a tape recorder after death after watching some stupid psychic show to prove something to her! He obviously couldn't do the message through the recording but came to me with it. My dad just said, "Thank God. Now we can turn off that damnedable tape recorder instead of me getting up in the middle of the night to rewind and listen to bunch of blank tape!" I laughed and my dad just said to my mom "See I told you, you don't need a tape to know the answer to that!"

I believe that it was my grandad but on still skeptic side of things I can't test it to prove it. Could have been a telepathic connection from my dad in some way so he could shut off a tape recorder for good? LOL

My grandad has came to me in dreams after that but usually years apart. It's like stupid dreams suddenly end/ or no dreams then suddenly I am in that other world and he's there. We can talk, walk, float, change what we look like, he even showed me his first car with a rumble seat. We meet other people and we have fun but then it always ends up the same. By the same, he gives a message of advise on how to deal with a tragedy, death or something that just happened that I didn't know about.

The dreams are always come a few days before the event in the message except once. That happened at the same time as the dream. I really wanted to stay in that dream place but Grandpa told me that my mom's beloved dog was having a heart attack and would die -call her NOW if you don't she will die too! I saw the dog with my granddad in the end of the dream. I woke up and called her. My dad answered, the dog just died as I was on the phone. Mom was hysterical and having a heart attack but wouldn't go to the hospital. I told my dad to tell her I just saw Grandpa and the dog is with him and his message of advise -dogs can go to heaven too! She had just freaked to my dad about not knowing if animals died permenently and gave herself a small heart attack while the dog was dying. She finally went to the hospital after she calmed down some. She was getting worse and worse and wouldn't listen to my dad at all. She only calmed down after my call. I think she would have had a much worse heart attack if I didn't call like my Grandpa told me.

I have dreams with my grandmother and strangers too but it's always that same world and when your in it and most of the people are deceased although sometimes one will say I'm like you. Its like you wake up in another reality you go to sleep there and wake up in. I noticed there can be buildings and things there like here but they are different because it's like the people there can make the enviroment appear as what they want it to be. People there can even teach each others what they know and just like my grandad showed me his first car -poof-see it first hand and sit in it! Awesome!!!

My grandmother had a near death experience when she was young. When she was in her 90's she told me she was ready and wanted to go back there stay and told me all this stuff I needed to know if she is gone...I didn't believe she'd die but she died in her sleep that night with a BIG smile on her face and looked beautiful when I came to see her the next morning. I never saw anyone die naturally that way. She went to sleep in that dream place and stayed there just like she said. I truly think this is what's meant by the kiss of God.

She came to me in dreams more than my Grandad ever did. Probably because she still worries about the whole world not just family :)

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Wow :blink:

If I'm doing that to other people I'm certainly not aware of it. Though I could sure think of some candidates. Hating people takes far too much energy I've found over the years. You just cannot sustain it without borrowed energy as you age. And the place where you have to borrow it from, I am NOT going!

It has made me wonder though how many other times my double was seen and what it was up to. These are just the reports from people I know who told me about them?

I really doubt that you are, you have morals that follow into any manifestation! I wish my mother knew what you know about hate when she was younger and its effects. But then I guess in a way, I learned a lot from her about how the forces can be controlled but I was always smart enough to know evil thoughts always attach to you with their own sort of life of their own that will always work against you in the end. Thanks to God and the good people in my life, I would never try what she did in her darkest moments.

I just wish more people would realize who are starting to experiment with such things that it is very complicated and dangerous if you don't have control over your emotions and an understanding that a lot of these ghostly forms are not seperate demons but from real living people. There are others too that are beings and not from us. I just call them angels and they come in as many different aspects as people and animals here, good and bad.

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I really doubt that you are, you have morals that follow into any manifestation! I wish my mother knew what you know about hate when she was younger and its effects. But then I guess in a way, I learned a lot from her about how the forces can be controlled but I was always smart enough to know evil thoughts always attach to you with their own sort of life of their own that will always work against you in the end. Thanks to God and the good people in my life, I would never try what she did in her darkest moments.

I just wish more people would realize who are starting to experiment with such things that it is very complicated and dangerous if you don't have control over your emotions and an understanding that a lot of these ghostly forms are not seperate demons but from real living people. There are others too that are beings and not from us. I just call them angels and they come in as many different aspects as people and animals here, good and bad.

You must be what, in your 50s? 60s? So your greatgrandparents would have been born in the 1800s? One of my grandparents was born in the late 1800s.

Anyway, I used to be angry a lot. Bled out a lot of energy that way. It took me a long time and a lot of health issues to figure out how to be a miser with my energy. That is to say, how to stop bleeding it out with useless emotions. Especially hate. I still feel, don't get me wrong. It's just that I had to dial back the magnitude of how much I felt all the time. I needed a thicker skin. It doesn't come naturally to me in my waking personality. But what I've learned to do when I start getting wound up about another jerk in my life [you wouldn't believe me if I told you the size and frequency of the jerks in my life], is I sort of go to sleep with it. I funnel the thoughts through my dream awareness and it seems to lessen any of it.

When you realize that the "real world" as you accurately have observed from your various relatives who have crossed over, is not here, it sort of makes everything here seem silly. Or, rather, it rearranges your priorities. I still am like any other person you see or talk to. Only I've learned to shift back and forth when the situation calls for it.

As for the double thing, it would be nice to have a measure of control over it. So far, no luck. But then again I'm so busy I never even get a moment to put my feet up.

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You must be what, in your 50s? 60s? So your greatgrandparents would have been born in the 1800s? One of my grandparents was born in the late 1800s.

Anyway, I used to be angry a lot. Bled out a lot of energy that way. It took me a long time and a lot of health issues to figure out how to be a miser with my energy. That is to say, how to stop bleeding it out with useless emotions. Especially hate. I still feel, don't get me wrong. It's just that I had to dial back the magnitude of how much I felt all the time. I needed a thicker skin. It doesn't come naturally to me in my waking personality. But what I've learned to do when I start getting wound up about another jerk in my life [you wouldn't believe me if I told you the size and frequency of the jerks in my life], is I sort of go to sleep with it. I funnel the thoughts through my dream awareness and it seems to lessen any of it.

When you realize that the "real world" as you accurately have observed from your various relatives who have crossed over, is not here, it sort of makes everything here seem silly. Or, rather, it rearranges your priorities. I still am like any other person you see or talk to. Only I've learned to shift back and forth when the situation calls for it.

As for the double thing, it would be nice to have a measure of control over it. So far, no luck. But then again I'm so busy I never even get a moment to put my feet up.

Yes, I'm close to the big 60 and most of my great grandparents were born in the late 1700's or 1800's . I was blessed to know great grandparents and one great great when other people my age generally don't know their grandparents very well. Another strange thing I noticed that many of my ancestors lived to be well over 100, others died very young. My grandmother was in her 90's and the youngest of the sisters but she wanted to go, she finished her mission. I researched geneology of old family records, took notes from my oldest living relatives stories with my grandad and even had genetic research done to fill in some missing blanks since one of my great grandparents was an orphan and a few other names I thought I had wrong from the birth death and marriage records. The family information wasn't wrong because I found out one grandmother was 70 when she had her first and last set of twins! The husband was 89 and a widower, it was his third wife. My great great aunt told me he passed very soon after the last marriage. I would too if I became a father at that age! That was why I couldn't figure out why the uncles were born earlier than the nephews at first. I had lots of documented information back to the 1500s on a couple sides of family records but others were total blanks since they were going from country to country so fast because of wars and no birth records just stories, ship passanger records, churches and census records before computers. I found many of the mothers were late in having children in their late 40's to 50's even though they were married along time, maybe it's had something to do with living such long and healthy lives which was very unusual in those days. My grandmother had children late in life and thought she was barren like all her sisters who were also very long lived. It happened after the change of life so she always told me it was God answering her prayers. We found out later that she was B- and grandad A+ so it was a miracle for her to carry after 7 miscarriages that brought her to NDE.

My relatives who lived long lives were very spiritual and loving people and a lot of them were religious leaders of different faiths.

Meditation and experiences bring control over the negative emotions all together eventually. I didn't know how my grandmother never felt hate but I do now. You understand the bad people are just acting like selfish children, but they were once innocent and can grow up. You empathize that that they just don't know what they are doing, so how can you hate them? If you feel anger the peace and blessings leave you and your are prone to illness because it's inside you.

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