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I don't expect you to keep quiet for 30 days, and doubt that it's even possible, but the fact remains that Mitchell has made many statements about this NASA cover up.

So you so. But so far you've presented what you claim

are examples, and they're all duds. Zero evidence.

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Other people call it "the view from Station 13".

hmmmm... so? the added music makes it an alien vehicle?

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Incidentally, many people have wondered over the years just who or what Apollo 14's "visitors" were. Just sayin'.

If I were as misinformed and delusional as you seem to be, I wouldn't so clearly display the well-documented examples

where I've misunderstood -- and refused to even look for clarification of -- crew comments.

The Mitchell and Shepard joking banter about 'visitors' is a wonderful example of how you hear one thing, and in your mind you transform it into something entirely different.

You claim there's 'no explanation' for this or that, but you show again and again you have no clue HOW to look for such explanations, or properly assess them even if you stumbled across them.

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hmmmm... so? the added music makes it an alien vehicle?

I thought it was a nice touch.

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I thought it was a nice touch.

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So you so. But so far you've presented what you claim

are examples, and they're all duds. Zero evidence.

And here Dr. Mitchell talks for 90 minutes about NASA's UFO secrets and ending the "truth embargo" on ETs. I have often wondered what Mitchell thinks of James Oberg.

I have no doubt that Oberg probably regards him as "delusional", but maybe he doesn't know as much as he thinks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ImpqGqYsIgQ

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Dr Mitchell specifically claims no first hand knowledge at all, and even then says he only knows about the Roswell incident. He recanted much of the stuff he was in cahoots with Greer over in the earlier days.

LB - Lisa Bonnice

EM - Edgar Mitchell.

LB: The interviews are quoted as saying that you say sources at NASA who had contact with aliens…

EM: That is totally false.

LB: Then let’s clear that up.

EM: Yes, please do. That is not correct. Because I have talked with government people about it, and military people about it, that was a misquote.

LB: Good. I’m glad to clear that one up. Have you seen the reports? The articles that are going around?

EM: I’ve seen some of them. They’ve been floating into my computer all day long.

LB: Is there anything else in these articles that you would like to use as an opportunity to say “OK, they misquoted me”?

EM: I would have to look at them individually, but that’s one that, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with NASA.

LB: One of these quotes said that whoever did describe these beings said they resembled “little people who look strange to us.”

EM: Well, we’ve all seen the pictures of the so-called aliens – “little grays.” I have no first-hand evidence that that’s true, but I do accept the fact that those seem to be the prevalent story.

LB: That does seem to be what the majority of people who say they’ve seen them agree upon. Now another one, this one I can see makes so much sense that our technology is not nearly as sophisticated and if they had been hostile we would have been gone by now.

EM: Well, if they proved to be hostile, and wanted to do so, they probably could. But there’s utterly no evidence that they really are hostile.

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Dr Mitchell is quite adamant that he has been severely misquoted on the NASA claims. It seems that by his own admission, in the "clarity interview" he distances himself from any claim regarding NASA.

Donna Hare, I am not sure how she can be seen as credible at all to be honest. I find the biggest mystery there as to how she managed to land a job at NASA to begin with. Her claims have been discussed here, and she has done nothing other than remove credibility from the UFO phenomena. The photography resolution she claims to have worked with did not exist at the time, and even tried to say Astronauts are hushed up. I am guessing that whilst she worked at NASA between the Apollo flights and the Shuttle, she had never herd of Ed Mitchell or Gordon Cooper who have been saying this sort of thing for years in end, and from her own employer? She is making grave mistakes, and silly claims that we have examples of that are discussed on these very boards. I'd like to think NASA is more selective of their Subcontractors in future. And her claim about the cows with tails standing straight up in alarm? Crikey that;s a claim I'd like to see her qualify!

Veteran NASA earth photography specialist Paul Lowman confirmed this for me:

“Your term ‘preposterous’ is right on. The original Landsats had a ground resolution of 79 meters; Landsats 4 and 5 did better than that, around 30 meters or so. The Skylab S190B camera (18" focal length) could resolve small boats in marinas on the Chicago lake front, and I think

a 10 meter resolution would account for that. But no NASA satellite of that era, or for that matter of any era up to now, could resolve pine trees or their shadows.”

But further to that:

“Ms. Hare then retorted that of course NASA had such pictures: ‘We not only had the technology to see a number on a golf ball back then, we used it in the Bay of Pigs -- remember? -- to see Cuban/Russian missiles aimed at our country.’" (March 25, 1999) Aside from a confusion of the Bay of Pigs with the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the use at that time of U-2 spy planes, not satellites, the additional confusion of what super-secret military spy satellites could see and what NASA was interested in and had in its possession, gives me additional confidence that my disbelief in this story is logical.

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Honestly, it is very hard to have any faith in someone with such wild tales to tell.

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Well...your old friend Gordon Cooper clearly states that there was an official policy of secrecy imposed on astronauts Jim!

For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts.

Colonel L. Gordon Cooper.

http://www.squidoo.com/ufo-coverups

That's an interesting website -- the first four or five quotations are all bogus, so it's not an auspicious start, but the Cooper segment is worth looking at:

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth.

I feel that we need to have a top level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion....For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public."

Colonel L. Gordon Cooper

Mercury and Gemini Astronaut, in an address to the UN in 1985 after announcing that he had seen and chased UFOs over Germany in the 1950s. Cooper also reported a greenish object, which passed by his capsule going east to west (opposite normal man-made orbits) while in orbit in May of 1963. The object was tracked by ground-based equipment in Perth, Australia. The press was told it could not question Col. Cooper on this aspect of the mission.

To peel it back from the end, the Mercury-9 story is widely accepted even in the pro-UFO world as totally bogus, probably originated by the notorious Clark McClelland in Florida but counter-indicated by all surviving newsmen from that mission, by in-flight tapes of the mission, by NBC News archives, and by Gordon Cooper himself, the only on-site witness.

The first sentence is from a documented letter Cooper sent to the United Nations. Its authenticity is firmly established.

The middle paragraph is the strangest. It is from an alleged interview by an Italian journalist named Ferrando, who claimed to have it on tape -- but has never posted the audio recording on the Internet. The same tape contained a story by Cooper about witnessing a landing of a 3-legged UFO, but in CENTRAL FLORIDA.

If the Ferrando interview is authentic, one has to wonder why 'Cooper' never again mentioned the Florida landing [but then 'remembered' a similar landing in California], and why he later told Lee Spiegel of OMNI, on tape, that he doubted there were UFO secrets inside the USAF and that he was under no constraint to discuss the issue.

This raises the possibility that the entire Ferrando transcript is bogus. No evidence for an actual 'taped interview' where Cooper supposedly made the comments has ever been shown, and the comments as reported are diametrically opposite to other Cooper UFO comments whose authenticity is well established.

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And here Dr. Mitchell talks for 90 minutes about NASA's UFO secrets and ending the "truth embargo" on ETs. I have often wondered what Mitchell thinks of James Oberg.

Since every single earlier claim of "NASA space secrets" you've made has failed, I'm not going to review 90 minutes of comments.

What's the clock time of the segment where he makes the claim you, again, allege he makes? I'll watch a few minutes of it, but without much expectation of satisfaction.

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That's an interesting website -- the first four or five quotations are all bogus, so it's not an auspicious start, but the Cooper segment is worth looking at:

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth.

I feel that we need to have a top level, coordinated program to scientifically collect and analyze data from all over the earth concerning any type of encounter, and to determine how best to interface with these visitors in a friendly fashion....For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the USA, our radar instruments capture objects of form and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this, but nobody wants to make them public."

Colonel L. Gordon Cooper

Mercury and Gemini Astronaut, in an address to the UN in 1985 after announcing that he had seen and chased UFOs over Germany in the 1950s. Cooper also reported a greenish object, which passed by his capsule going east to west (opposite normal man-made orbits) while in orbit in May of 1963. The object was tracked by ground-based equipment in Perth, Australia. The press was told it could not question Col. Cooper on this aspect of the mission.

Oberg recently took up an entire thread here dumping on Gordon Coopper, basically calling him a crook, a liar and a crazy.

That's just his standard operating procedure in every single case with those who disagree with him, and should not be considered any more meaningful than that.

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Oberg recently took up an entire thread here dumping on Gordon Coopper, basically calling him a crook, a liar and a crazy.

That's just his standard operating procedure in every single case with those who disagree with him, and should not be considered any more meaningful than that.

I never called or even insinuated Cooper was a crook.

I never called or even insinuated Cooper was a liar.

I never called or even insinuated Cooper "crazy".

People who claim I do have no citations to support the vicious accusations, they just express confidence they 'know' what it was I REALLY was trying to say -- but actually didn't say.

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Since every single earlier claim of "NASA space secrets" you've made has failed, I'm not going to review 90 minutes of comments.

What's the clock time of the segment where he makes the claim you, again, allege he makes? I'll watch a few minutes of it, but without much expectation of satisfaction.

Yes, you keep repeating that every few minutes, but that doesn't make it true. I think it's better to let everyone just listen Mitchell's comments on the cover up for themselves, since I don't know how he could have been any clearer.

If you aren't evidence of a cover up in progress, Mr. Oberg then I've never seen it.

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I never called or even insinuated Cooper was a crook.

I never called or even insinuated Cooper was a liar.

I never called or even insinuated Cooper "crazy".

People who claim I do have no citations to support the vicious accusations, they just express confidence they 'know' what it was I REALLY was trying to say -- but actually didn't say.

That's utterly false. You said all of those things and more.

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If you aren't evidence of a cover up in progress, Mr. Oberg then I've never seen it.

You've never seen it. But you've imagined it. Be satisfied with that.

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Yes, you keep repeating that every few minutes, but that doesn't make it true. I think it's better to let everyone just listen Mitchell's comments on the cover up for themselves, since I don't know how he could have been any clearer.

If you aren't evidence of a cover up in progress, Mr. Oberg then I've never seen it.

Why can't you point out the time segment where Mitchell allegedly says that NASA is, was, or ever has been involved in some kind of coverup?

None of your previous videos show him saying that.

The fact that you persist along this line after having been shown multiple times that not only has he never made this claim but that he has also vehemently clarified that he does not believe NASA is involved in any kind of coverup, is truly mind boggling. Do you just enjoy posting misinformation?

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At about 3:40 in

, Mitchell clarifies with "One more thing... it got messed up that this had to do with NASA. It doesn't have anything to do with NASA."

I think that should settle the debate as to whether or not Mitchell believes NASA is involved in any kind of coverup. He doesn't.

Edit: Plus, of course, what psyche posted here in post 1132.

We've been through this all before, more than once. Here's another thread where a lot of Mitchell claims should have been laid to rest. Why people who were directly invovled in that discussion keep on falsely attributing things to him is beyond me.

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The fact that you persist along this line after having been shown multiple times that not only has he never made this claim but that he has also vehemently clarified that he does not believe NASA is involved in any kind of coverup, is truly mind boggling. Do you just enjoy posting misinformation?

It's not misinformation, Boon, he has spoken about this a million times. I persisted in posting videos because that is exactly what he has said over and over again.

I don't know what more I could do to prove that.

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Just to keep the record straight here, NASA itself denied that it is involved in a UFO cover up, just as Oberg (same thing) always denies it.

NASA made this denial AGAIN in responding to an interview that Mitchell gave:

"NASA is not involved in any cover-up. Dr Mitchell is a great American but we do not share his opinion on this issue. Thanks for the opportunity to comment.”

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=23&ved=0CDwQFjACOBQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fowstarr.com%2F2008%2F07%2F28%2Fdr-edgar-mitchell-ufos-are-real-we-have-been-visited%2F&ei=O6-pUMP8NY-g8gTe3YEo&usg=AFQjCNH3UZBGUOwk4p7U3noj6UTRfjLb2Q&sig2=UIxlWlmz0DoFyqEq3RD1RQ

That does not mean that no cover up exists--just the opposite--and that is what Mitchell has stated repeatedly. He's telling the truth.

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It's not misinformation, Boon, he has spoken about this a million times. I persisted in posting videos because that is exactly what he has said over and over again.

I don't know what more I could do to prove that.

It is misinformation when you say that Edgar Mitchell has said that NASA was involved in a coverup.

None of the videos you've provided have Mitchell saying that. Not one.

That is misinformation.

Mitchell has stated that he believes the government and military have been involved with a coverup, but he has not said that NASA was.

Do you understand the distinction?

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Mitchell said this in another interview with Irene Klotz

IK: Why do you think the government hasn't acknowledged that there is life outside of Earth? I thought that was sort of the point of NASA.

EM: Well most people in government don't know. The government is highly compartmentalized. You could work next door to somebody for 30 years not knowing what they're doing in certain areas. The whole point of all of this ... goes back to World War II. This Roswell incident took place right at the aftermath of World War II when the U.S. Army Air Corps was split off and became the Air Force and the OSS (Office of Strategic Services), which was the intelligence service of World War II, was disbanded and eventually became the CIA. At that point the Cold War was just starting to move under way and we were at odds with the Soviets.

The Air Force was brand new and supposedly in control of the skies and didn't know what they were doing, and the CIA didn't know what they were doing, so Pres. Truman was in a big problem here: Here people were telling him there were aliens around and nobody knew if they were hostile or what they were and what was he going to do about it?

So he formed a committee, a very high-level military and academic and intelligent people -- politically powerful people -- and said 'You guys work on this.' And that was called ... the MAJIC 12. And they did pass a National Security Act, or so I'm told, under highly classified auspices, that gave this committee virtually unlimited power to deal with this issue, which they have done for the last 60 years, slowly excluding everybody -- including presidents.

You may remember that Pres. Clinton tried to send (Webster) Hubbell to find out about this at Wright Patterson. He got rejected. And Barry Goldwater, back in the '60s when he was getting ready to run for the presidency and who was a brigadier general in the Air Force Reserve tried to get information about it. He got rejected. And I'm told that Jerry Ford tried to do some finding out and he got rejected.

Jimmy Carter announced his observation of UFOs, but that never went anywhere so obviously he made no progress. Only in recent years has the public interest become acute enough and enough stories leaked out so that people are starting to believe that it's all real. And the fact of the matter is, it is.

They're still around and there's a lot of stuff going on.

Are you aware of the so-called Phoenix Lights Incident? That wasn't our stuff.

EM: Lights. Just a few years ago. Three humongous craft flew over Phoenix, very slowly in the middle of the night that clearly were not -- I happened to be on the phone with people out there when that happened and have had pictures of it -- clearly those were not, to those of us who know aviation and spacecraft, clearly those were not local stuff, home-grown stuff."

http://dsc.discovery.com/space/qa/alien-ufo-edgar-mitchell-02.html

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It is misinformation when you say that Edgar Mitchell has said that NASA was involved in a coverup.

Mitchell has stated that he believes the government and military have been involved with a coverup, but he has not said that NASA was.

Oh I know the military is. I don't even argue that point. Mitchell says that most of he people at the middle and lower levels may not know anything about UFOs, but that doesn't mean some kind of complete exoneration of NASA. Far from it.

Oberg alone is proof of that, as if any more proof were needed at this late date.

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mcg... what happened to your old id?

My computer crashed a while ago and I changed my ID afterward.

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Oh I know the military is. I don't even argue that point. Mitchell says that most of he people at the middle and lower levels may not know anything about UFOs, but that doesn't mean some kind of complete exoneration of NASA. Far from it.

Oberg alone is proof of that, as if any more proof were needed at this late date.

Why are you trying to weasel out of this McG?

The point is very clear. Mitchell has not stated that NASA was involved in any kind of coverup. You've claimed that he made such a statement. You've failed to support that claim. Own up to it.

All of this other fluff that you're trying to use to steer away from this fact is already acknowledged by all parties. Yes Mitchell believes that a coverup has taken place. Yes, he believes that the government and military are involved in that. No he does not believe that NASA is involved in it, he has never said that NASA was, and he has emphatically stated the exact opposite.

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Are you aware of the so-called Phoenix Lights Incident? That wasn't our stuff.

EM: Lights. Just a few years ago. Three humongous craft flew over Phoenix, very slowly in the middle of the night that clearly were not -- I happened to be on the phone with people out there when that happened and have had pictures of it -- clearly those were not, to those of us who know aviation and spacecraft, clearly those were not local stuff, home-grown stuff."

oh lawd

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