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You're just wrong on so many levels. Evolution has never been disproven.

Now I expect you to apologize to those of us that aren't scientifically illiterate.

Ya know what? I hear all these atheists and evolutionists try so hard to disprove God, and creationism, they come with their witty comebacks but in the end they can't prove a single thing about evolution. Because there is nothing to prove thats why. God made the universe, it's painfully obvious.

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Now before I start I am in no way a 'Creationist', but neither do I hold the belief that we evolved from primates.

The evolution theory is now being taught in most schools as accepted fact, and that to me is a tad worrying - where is the evidence?

DNA evidence I hear people shout, now the way I see it Scientists who believe in evolution manipulate the data to support evolution, when in reality, DNA data support the obvious and distinctive categorization of life that is commonly observed in the fossil record and in existing life forms. There is, in fact, a clear demarcation between each created kind (humans, chimps, mice, chickens, dogs, etc.), and there is no blending together or observed transition from one kind of animal to another. All created kinds exhibit a certain amount of genetic variability within their grouping while still maintaining specific genetic boundaries. In other words, one kind does not change into another, either in the fossil record or in observations of living organisms.

These genetic groups were established how exactly? What makes a mammal a mammal or a bird a bird? The least common ancestor of a group makes a genetic group monophyletic. Therefore, without evolution, genetic groups wouldn't exist.

Another thing is that surely for the human species to evolve from a primate then this process must have taken millions of years, and there would be varying degrees of intertwining between the species over this long period of time, but as yet scientists cannot show one set of fossilised remains showing this primate/human crossover species, a species that must have lived and evolved over many millions of years.

Are you referring to the over-used erroneous ideology that there is actually a single missing link? If you want to see a missing link, go down to a museum and look at all of our hominid ancestors--Ardipithecus, Australopithecus, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo neanderthalensis and even early Homo.

Have you ever heard of Australopithecus sediba? Some cannot even agree if it belongs in Homo or Australopithecus. Confusion in taxonomy would be expected, as some fossils look like one taxon in some respects, while it looks like another in others.

If we evolved from primates in a single, linear progression, as is claimed by evolutionists the world over, why is it that it would appear that there were a minimum of FOUR seperate hominids all co-existing in Africa approximately 2 million years ago?

We evolved in one linear progression, which suggests that three of those hominids we didn't evolve from.

Now I am not saying I know what the alternative theory is, but I am just uncomfortable with my children being taught something as fact, when it appears that this is nothing more than guesswork.

Guesswork? Are you familiar with the theory of evolution at all? It is way more than guesswork. I suppose you also find it uncomfortable that your children are being taught about other religions in History class or about the big bang theory.

Quite frankly, your children can believe whatever they want. I don't know why you would find that uncomfortable.

Evolution is a load of crap that was good science back in the day, but now its' pretty much disproven. Creation is the only possible way we could have gotten here, anyone who says otherwise just dosen't want to admit that they owe their life to God. But hey it's alright, God is good enough that he allows us to make our own decisions even if they are the wrong ones, however one day we all have to die and when we do we will stand before Him and have to make an account for our lives. I don't want to be the guy who gets there and says ahh sorry God, I would have believed in you if it was not for all these fake bones people keep putting forward as reality.

HA HA HA HA LMAO!!! Fake bones? What? :lol:

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Ya know what? I hear all these atheists and evolutionists try so hard to disprove God, and creationism, they come with their witty comebacks but in the end they can't prove a single thing about evolution. Because there is nothing to prove thats why. God made the universe, it's painfully obvious.

Actually, everything about evolution can be proven. Here is a simple example;

1. The universal genetic code. All cells on Earth, from our white blood cells, to simple bacteria, to cells in the leaves of trees, are capable of reading any piece of DNA from any life form on Earth. This is very strong evidence for a common ancestor from which all life descended.

2. The fossil record. The fossil record shows that the simplest fossils will be found in the oldest rocks, and it can also show a smooth and gradual transition from one form of life to another.

Please watch this video for an excellent demonstration of fossils transitioning from simple life to complex vertebrates.

3. Genetic commonalities. Human beings have approximately 96% of genes in common with chimpanzees, about 90% of genes in common with cats (source), 80% with cows (source), 75% with mice (source), and so on. This does not prove that we evolved from chimpanzees or cats, though, only that we shared a common ancestor in the past. And the amount of difference between our genomes corresponds to how long ago our genetic lines diverged.

4. Common traits in embryos. Humans, dogs, snakes, fish, monkeys, eels (and many more life forms) are all considered "chordates" because we belong to the phylum Chordata. One of the features of this phylum is that, as embryos, all these life forms have gill slits, tails, and specific anatomical structures involving the spine. For humans (and other non-fish) the gill slits reform into the bones of the ear and jaw at a later stage in development. But, initially, all chordate embryos strongly resemble each other.

In fact, pig embryos are often dissected in biology classes because of how similar they look to human embryos. These common characteristics could only be possible if all members of the phylum Chordatadescended from a common ancestor.

5. Bacterial resistance to antibiotics. Bacteria colonies can only build up a resistance to antibiotics through evolution. It is important to note that in every colony of bacteria, there are a tiny few individuals which are naturally resistant to certain antibiotics. This is because of the random nature of mutations.

When an antibiotic is applied, the initial innoculation will kill most bacteria, leaving behind only those few cells which happen to have the mutations necessary to resist the antibiotics. In subsequent generations, the resistant bacteria reproduce, forming a new colony where every member is resistant to the antibiotic. This is natural selection in action. The antibiotic is "selecting" for organisms which are resistant, and killing any that are not.

Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't true.

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Actually, everything about evolution can be proven. Here is a simple example;

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Just because YOU don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't true.

so true on so many levels.

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Okay, a good response, at least you know how to defend your position. But every piece of evidence you have presented could also be explained by God creating all living things with a degree of similarity. As for the bacteria thing, that is an example of micro evolution, which does happen. Thats why there are different breeds of dogs and other such things. But evolution does not account for the origin of life.

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Okay, a good response, at least you know how to defend your position. But every piece of evidence you have presented could also be explained by God creating all living things with a degree of similarity. As for the bacteria thing, that is an example of micro evolution, which does happen. Thats why there are different breeds of dogs and other such things. But evolution does not account for the origin of life.

Evolution has never claimed to explain the origins of life. It only has to do with the changes in a population of organisms over time. More specifically, the change in the allele frequency of a population over time. That is all evolution is. Micro and macro evolution are the same thing, the only difference is time.

Edit: God did it is not even a hypotheses. It can be a belief, but is scientifically meaningless. (Thus a biologist like myself dismisses it) It cannot be tested, it cannot be observed, and more importantly, cannot be falsified. The beauty of the Theory of Evolution is that it would only take one piece of evidence to falsify it. One out of place fossil, one organism (on Earth) that does not share genetic similarities. This evidence has not, and has never, been found.

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Okay, a good response, at least you know how to defend your position. But every piece of evidence you have presented could also be explained by God creating all living things with a degree of similarity. As for the bacteria thing, that is an example of micro evolution, which does happen. Thats why there are different breeds of dogs and other such things. But evolution does not account for the origin of life.

dogs?? really guy?? You dont even know humans bred all those dog species???

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dogs?? really guy?? You dont even know humans bred all those dog species???

Of course I do, why would you think I did not? Human breeding is an example of controlled micro evolution

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Evolution is about how life evolved, not about the origin of life.

I hope the thick skulled humans amongst us will some day allow that one to enter their brains.

However, I have no great hopes about that ever happening soon.

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Of course I do, why would you think I did not? Human breeding is an example of controlled micro evolution

Micro and macro evolution are the same thing. They work based on the same mechanisms and have the same end result.

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Okay, a good response, at least you know how to defend your position. But every piece of evidence you have presented could also be explained by God creating all living things with a degree of similarity.

And your point is? I could say ancient aliens created every animal and did it in a way to replicate evolution, that doesn't make it true. If science can explain it, why would we need God? And why would God intentionally make every animal similar to one another?

As for the bacteria thing, that is an example of micro evolution, which does happen. Thats why there are different breeds of dogs and other such things. But evolution does not account for the origin of life.

First off, there is also evidence for "macroevolution": http://www.unexplain...showentry=26026. Second, dogs are a completely different species than wolves. Third, evolution does account for the diversity of life.

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There are times I think threads like these are proof of ongoing evolution.

Some of us will never understand anything (by just being stubborn or dangerously religious), and while they will be frantically busy trying to find out how to tie their shoes, others are building rockets and spaceships to escape this hell-hole of stupidity.

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There are times I think threads like these are proof of ongoing evolution.

Some of us will never understand anything (by just being stubborn or dangerously religious), and while they will be frantically busy trying to find out how to tie their shoes, others are building rockets and spaceships to escape this hell-hole of stupidity.

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Really dude? There is nothing stupid about not wanting to risk your eternal fate on a half baked theory that can't even be demonstrated in a lab much less in reality. I don't have anything against evolution, and if it were to turn out to be true then I would be totally cool with it, it would just show that God created us over eons of gradual change instead of instantly but I just don't see anything that proves to me without a shadow of a doubt that its real. And I am not about to anger God by falling for such a thing

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Really dude? There is nothing stupid about not wanting to risk your eternal fate on a half baked theory that can't even be demonstrated in a lab much less in reality.

Read my post that shows proof of speciation. Also, Pascal's Wager is dumb. Why don't you believe in Allah, then? You'd be risking your eternal fate if you didn't.

I don't have anything against evolution, and if it were to turn out to be true then I would be totally cool with it, it would just show that God created us over eons of gradual change instead of instantly but I just don't see anything that proves to me without a shadow of a doubt that its real. And I am not about to anger God by falling for such a thing

Evolution, abiogenesis, the big bang, etc. explain why we are here perfectly. So why would we need to bring in a deity with no evidence whatsoever?

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Really dude? There is nothing stupid about not wanting to risk your eternal fate on a half baked theory that can't even be demonstrated in a lab much less in reality. I don't have anything against evolution, and if it were to turn out to be true then I would be totally cool with it, it would just show that God created us over eons of gradual change instead of instantly but I just don't see anything that proves to me without a shadow of a doubt that its real. And I am not about to anger God by falling for such a thing

They did demonstrate that in a 'lab': ask any microbiologist.

The evolution of microbes goes exponentially faster than that of any other being.

Read about it, or ignore it.

Your choice.

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Denying evolution equates to denying the principles of gravity. You, sir, belong in the psyche ward.

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All these posts fighting so hard for evolution but what are you fighting for? To prove that humans are an accident of nature? That the universe has no real direction or point to it. That death is the end and our lives are ultimately sad jokes? Are you really going to fight for that?

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All these posts fighting so hard for evolution but what are you fighting for? To prove that humans are an accident of nature? That the universe has no real direction or point to it. That death is the end and our lives are ultimately sad jokes? Are you really going to fight for that?

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All these posts fighting so hard for evolution but what are you fighting for? To prove that humans are an accident of nature? That the universe has no real direction or point to it. That death is the end and our lives are ultimately sad jokes? Are you really going to fight for that?

Good avoidance of the actual points being made.

Nobody here is a nihilist, and if they are, it doesn't relate at all to their religion. I'm happy and an atheist. If you look at it as "Humans are an accident of nature", then, yeah, it sounds nihilistic. Good thing I don't remind myself that everyday. Also, I don't care really how human beings got here. Death may be the end, but we all have to let go eventually. You have one life to live, so live it.

I'm not fighting for pessimism, I'm fighting for the facts.

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Good avoidance of the actual points being made.

Nobody here is a nihilist, and if they are, it doesn't relate at all to their religion. I'm happy and an atheist. If you look at it as "Humans are an accident of nature", then, yeah, it sounds nihilistic. Good thing I don't remind myself that everyday. Also, I don't care really how human beings got here. Death may be the end, but we all have to let go eventually. You have one life to live, so live it.

I'm not fighting for pessimism, I'm fighting for the facts.

You may not remind yourself of it but nevertheless if you accept the evolutionary world view it's a fact that you can not escape. Life is a accident and their is no hope of a afterlife. You say you don't care how we got here but really how we got here is the most important thing because it determines everything else.

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All these posts fighting so hard for evolution but what are you fighting for? To prove that humans are an accident of nature? That the universe has no real direction or point to it. That death is the end and our lives are ultimately sad jokes? Are you really going to fight for that?

No, we were hoping you will finally understand what evolution is all about. But I think many will have run out of gas.

Now you go believe in your Savior, your God and your heaven and Hell.

Let me give you a final hint: evolution is not about 'accidents of nature'.

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You may not remind yourself of it but nevertheless if you accept the evolutionary world view it's a fact that you can not escape. Life is a accident and their is no hope of a afterlife. You say you don't care how we got here but really how we got here is the most important thing because it determines everything else.

You saying it like that almost makes you a nihilist. I look to the bright side of things and nevertheless the way we got here, don't care. What is purpose anyway? Life is an accident, big whoop. Life was an "accident" on probably thousands of other planets in our galaxy alone. I don't believe in an afterlife and am happy with the life I get. Only those whom are selfish want an afterlife.

It isn't the most important thing. Focus on your own life, your family, etc. and you will realize it isn't.

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You may not remind yourself of it but nevertheless if you accept the evolutionary world view it's a fact that you can not escape. Life is a accident and their is no hope of a afterlife. You say you don't care how we got here but really how we got here is the most important thing because it determines everything else.

Oh look, evolution happening right in front of ours eyes! In a lab, no less! http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091018141716.htm

Actually, how were got here determines nothing other than how we got here. Your religious paranoia aside, there are mountains of evidence that support evolution. In fact, all observations of the natural world support it, as does biology, genetics, chemistry, physics, anatomy, anthropology, paleontology, psychology, neuroscience, all medicine today, in fact, virology, microbiology, etc. I could go on, but what's the point? You won't listen.

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All these posts fighting so hard for evolution but what are you fighting for? To prove that humans are an accident of nature? That the universe has no real direction or point to it. That death is the end and our lives are ultimately sad jokes? Are you really going to fight for that?

Frankly, I could not conceive a concept more elegant and beautiful than the creation of absolutely everything as a result of mere chance. If you are arguing from the position of a creator, then who created the creator? In order to have a creator, it needs to be created, and so on, and so forth... as I have reiterated countless times, in many other threads.

Also, new scientific theories suggest that, perhaps, there never was "nothing"... rather, energy and matter has always existed.

I don't think anything is more pathetic than to live your life for a fictitious, "divine" being, either. It does not make sense to me. What DOES make sense to me, however, is creating your own reason to live; developing your own will to survive. That, to me, is more admirable than blindly accepting nonsense as fact, and living your life by it.

I also find more comfort in knowing that I am only given ONE LIFE, and one life alone... as it gives me the motivation to spend more time with loved ones, to learn as much as I can about the world around me, etc.

Finally, there is nothing to fight for - it simply is, whether you like it, or not.

As Richard Dawkins so truthfully elaborated, "There is GRANDEUR... in this view of life."

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Frankly, I could not conceive a concept more elegant and beautiful than the creation of absolutely everything as a result of mere chance. If you are arguing from the position of a creator, then who created the creator? In order to have a creator, it needs to be created, and so on, and so forth... as I have reiterated countless times, in many other threads.

Also, new scientific theories suggest that, perhaps, there never was "nothing"... rather, energy and matter has always existed.

I don't think anything is more pathetic than to live your life for a fictitious, "divine" being, either. It does not make sense to me. What DOES make sense to me, however, is creating your own reason to live; developing your own will to survive. That, to me, is more admirable than blindly accepting nonsense as fact, and living your life by it.

I also find more comfort in knowing that I am only given ONE LIFE, and one life alone... as it gives me the motivation to spend more time with loved ones, to learn as much as I can about the world around me, etc.

Finally, there is nothing to fight for - it simply is, whether you like it, or not.

As Richard Dawkins so truthfully elaborated, "There is GRANDEUR... in this view of life."

lol because of your avatar I read all of your posts in Christopher Hitcnens' voice now dammit. It's kind of cool, though, as as if he were still with us now.

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