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I must admit though, I don't see many t-shirts being sold in any of those photos........

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Well maybe there is somekind of gas at some precise area around a lake which affect people's perception, making them to see a creature instead of another one.

This is the most valid explanation thus far. Good job Thegreatsilence. :tu:

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"Weird" is an understatement.

Perhaps, one may think, that geothermal activity beneath the lake prevents the water from freezing but if so, there would certainly be an abundance of plant life in that lake, yet there is not.

If there is a heavy mineral content in the water, would fish liv ein it?

again, "weird" is not strong enough a term.

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"Weird" is an understatement.

Perhaps, one may think, that geothermal activity beneath the lake prevents the water from freezing but if so, there would certainly be an abundance of plant life in that lake, yet there is not.

If there is a heavy mineral content in the water, would fish liv ein it?

again, "weird" is not strong enough a term.

I believe that Macromorphosis found out above that it does freeze over, but just not as quickly as the other lakes in the region. Geothermal would be my guess still - and where there is geothermal activity, there are also heightened levels of various minerals, depending on what region the lake is.

A lot of the hot springs and such in Yellowstone Nat. Park here in the US come to mind. They don't freeze over and many are either too mineral laden to support life or too hot.

It'd be cool if there was some kind of lake monster - but there seems to be a general dearth of information in general about the place, up to and including a lack of evidence that there is any kind of monster, save for a few odd photographs, which are wierd but hardly conclusive. Of course there are the ubiquitous eyewitness stories and legends, but I'd say that they are even less irrefutable than the photographs that have surfaced.

Like almost all Lake monsters, it seems that this one is heavy on the anecdotal evidence and very slim on anything that would confirm the monster's existence. I vote highly unlikely on this one.

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Sorry, been away for a few days.

I see people are doubting the lake exists. Here's a screenshot from Google Earth showing the lake, its name and the co-ordinates where you can find it. I should have posted this the other night, my apologies. I used Google Earth's own measuring tool to see how far it was from the nearest surfaced road. I have struggled to find a decent populated town within 100 miles or so, so would love to hear from anyone who can. I still do not think it is a "reservoir".

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And here are some pictures taken by (I assume) Russians, showing the lake and its environs. You can see the pictures on Google Earth itself when you zoom in with the correct settings checked.

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If Google Earth can no longer be trusted, much as Wikipedia is reputed to be, then further apologies in advance - I had no idea it was full of false information. But the Russian titles in the Panaramio photos do say "Lake Labyngkyr", so that's a good start, anyway.

My apologies if I've ruffled your feathers, Sakari. I should have made better use of smilies, I guess. By the way, I wasn't referring to the "monster" pictures in your pdf, more the shot of the lake that is similiar to the one above. As I said, quite how you didn't reconcile the difference between that picture and the one of the large pond you posted is beyond me - unless you did it deliberately to misled people ? :innocent:

And again, I am also not supporting the "monster" theory, just defending a poor old lake whose existence is being abused.

I must admit though, I don't see many t-shirts being sold in any of those photos........

Thank you....You did not ruffle my feathers :)

I spent about 10, 15 minutes trying to find anything on this lake.As mentioned, not much to be found other then the creature stories. It is usually not hard to find lakes or rivers, but this one likes to be in hiding I guess.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

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I'd say that the whole "not freezing over" might be connected to some sort of geothermal activity.

Or maybe it's brackish water.

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The picture looks like a person standing chest high in the water.

That's what I thought too!

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Rafterman, I am sure you can find precedents for all sorts of things. Stillwater might well have a reason for being, just THERE. The town of Gypsum with 3500 people is 27 miles way, as is US-70. Labyngkyr is 70 miles from a surfaced road and lies in the middle of a landscape reminiscent of the Canadian northern territories. I just think in this instance the word reservoir was misused by a translator.

Anyway, we're splitting hairs. I just wanted to point out that the lake reputed to hold a "monster", was exceedingly large enough to do so.

A reservoir can be man made or natural

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Too far away to tell what it is.

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As much as I begin to smile (inside) whenever I read a 'mystery creature' has been sighted, that picture is simply too far away, it could be anything, which brings me to my next point...the zoom function...

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As regards to the various problems people are having with searches: I live and work in Russia and I am dealing with this issue on an ongoing basis.Short of being fluent in Russian and having a Cyrillic keyboard, there are always going to be problems with this.

First of all the name of the Lake and the people you have been given are transliterations -ie they are are attempts to reproduce the phonetic sound of words in the Cyrilic alphabet.As there are more than one variations of transliterated words - although there is a British Standard (BSI 2979) - it is not so surprising that search engines do not pick them up.(In fact,there are some letters and vowel sounds in Russian which have no precise equivalents in the English language).

Google Translate etc cannot be relied upon to produce accurate translations of texts in these sorts of instances (otherwise the whole translating industry, and industry it is, would become redundant!)

There is a wealth of writing in Russia - business related material, novels, and, yes, paranormal related writings- that have never been translated into English and are not likely to be so in the foreseeable future. The reason for this is simple: for such texts to be translated you need someone who is fluent in Russian and fluent in English and then able to mediate between the two. There are not a great many people who can do this, and those that do do not come cheap!

I should also point out that Russian is a language that does not directly translate into English, and vice versa. Any translation is always only an approximation of what was originally intended.

I am a teacher of English in Russia and I am constantly having to remind my students not to rely on translation software, and not to try and translate English directly into Russian! The same applies here.

I have spent time in West Siberia and it is difficult to get across just how vast and sparsely populated the region is! It is quite possible that the people around Lake `Labynykgr` (or whatever!) are not even Russian speakers but belong to some ethnic tribe such as the Khanti-Mansisk, for example.

I know of two Lake monster traditions in Russia. One is Lake Brosno - not so far from Moscow apparently- which is home to the `Brosno dragon`, a Nessie-like creature which long predates Nessie. There is some English language material about this on the net, but not much. The other is Lake Ladoshkoi (my transliteration!) which I have some hard copy material on in the from of an article about it in a Russian magazine of the Unexplained.

Good luck with your searches on those, if you are so inclined!

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On a side note (just thought I'd throw in my two cents). A few pages back, the person who mentioned it couldn't possibly be a sturgeon because the creature was apparently 15-30 feet in lenght...well, the Frasier/Columbian Basin sturgeon were known to get up to twenty + feet in length (before they were almost fished to extinction) and I am sure there is one or two more "monster sized" fish still out there. So if there are sturgeon in that drainage basin or a neighbouring one (sturgeon can go into the salt water no problem), I would bet on many of these "lake monsters" being sturgeon, like BC's ogopogo and the such. Just my two cents, carry on.

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A few pages back, the person who mentioned it couldn't possibly be a sturgeon because the creature was apparently 15-30 feet in lenght...well, the Frasier/Columbian Basin sturgeon were known to get up to twenty + feet in length (before they were almost fished to extinction) and I am sure there is one or two more "monster sized" fish still out there. So if there are sturgeon in that drainage basin or a neighbouring one (sturgeon can go into the salt water no problem), I would bet on many of these "lake monsters" being sturgeon, like BC's ogopogo and the such. Just my two cents, carry on.

That was I who mentioned the implausibility of it, but not the impossibility. I said, "Nor a sturgeon, and nor a giant salamander - well, no sturgeon in such instances as to meet the qualifications of contemporary monster evidence posted by witnesses (15 - 30' long, head shaped like a horse with a mane, etc etc), anyway." - in essence I was pointing out that no sturgeon had ever been found to answer a sighting. I am well aware of how large sturgeon grow, but there are two main problems with this argument (we'll leave the giant salamander out of the equation for now).

1. A large sturgeon may exist, but it will be at the top of the pyramidal fish pile. Where are the hundreds or thousands of smaller sturgeon ? To the best of my knowledge, sturgeon begin life as eggs (think caviar) and do not suddenly appear as a 15'+ fish.

2. If we are considering existing species is that the biggest species of sturgeon on the asian continent is not known to exist in the far east of that landmass.

I am more than happy to meet a new species of sturgeon, I hasten to add. A new fish species, especially from freshwater and of that size, would be a true discovery, almost as exciting as a giant salamander or a lake monster, :D

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As regards to the various problems people are having with searches: I live and work in Russia and I am dealing with this issue on an ongoing basis.Short of being fluent in Russian and having a Cyrillic keyboard, there are always going to be problems with this.

First of all the name of the Lake and the people you have been given are transliterations -ie they are are attempts to reproduce the phonetic sound of words in the Cyrilic alphabet.As there are more than one variations of transliterated words - although there is a British Standard (BSI 2979) - it is not so surprising that search engines do not pick them up.(In fact,there are some letters and vowel sounds in Russian which have no precise equivalents in the English language).

Google Translate etc cannot be relied upon to produce accurate translations of texts in these sorts of instances (otherwise the whole translating industry, and industry it is, would become redundant!)

There is a wealth of writing in Russia - business related material, novels, and, yes, paranormal related writings- that have never been translated into English and are not likely to be so in the foreseeable future. The reason for this is simple: for such texts to be translated you need someone who is fluent in Russian and fluent in English and then able to mediate between the two. There are not a great many people who can do this, and those that do do not come cheap!

I should also point out that Russian is a language that does not directly translate into English, and vice versa. Any translation is always only an approximation of what was originally intended.

I am a teacher of English in Russia and I am constantly having to remind my students not to rely on translation software, and not to try and translate English directly into Russian! The same applies here.

I have spent time in West Siberia and it is difficult to get across just how vast and sparsely populated the region is! It is quite possible that the people around Lake `Labynykgr` (or whatever!) are not even Russian speakers but belong to some ethnic tribe such as the Khanti-Mansisk, for example.

I know of two Lake monster traditions in Russia. One is Lake Brosno - not so far from Moscow apparently- which is home to the `Brosno dragon`, a Nessie-like creature which long predates Nessie. There is some English language material about this on the net, but not much. The other is Lake Ladoshkoi (my transliteration!) which I have some hard copy material on in the from of an article about it in a Russian magazine of the Unexplained.

Good luck with your searches on those, if you are so inclined!

U.N. Owen, thanks!

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The reason for this is simple: for such texts to be translated you need someone who is fluent in Russian and fluent in English and then able to mediate between the two. There are not a great many people who can do this

Seriously? In the 2012 there aren't a great many people who can speak both Russian and English? I really doubt that!

I can flick over to Russia Today on SKY and find a bunch of people who can speak Russian and English fluently.

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There's a member on here who can speak both English and Russian. I forget his name, on a phone right now can't search for it. But he translated a few Russian archaeology videos to English.

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That was I who mentioned the implausibility of it, but not the impossibility.

I'd argue its not even that implausible, for many large river systems in russia are home to sturgeon. Sturgeon usually prefer rivers, but will sometimes go into the lakes to look for food, etc. Hence not seeing many signs of them in the lakes, yet, occasionally seeing one jump, etc, or wash up dead. (and yes, its kinda freaky seeing a 10+ foot fish randomly jump :o )

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I've seen plenty of large fish jump over the years, most of them bigger than 10', and I agree - it can be freaky if you're not expecting it.

As for this instance and sturgeon, I'm having trouble finding a river with a sufficient depth, width and flow associated with this lake. I see a stream at the south end, but nothing for surgeon to spawn in, which is a necessity I think.

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As for this instance and sturgeon, I'm having trouble finding a river with a sufficient depth, width and flow associated with this lake. I see a stream at the south end, but nothing for surgeon to spawn in, which is a necessity I think.

Not trying to be difficult, but sturgeon do travel through some pretty shallow waters. I know there is a small river (in the summer more like a stream) near my home that connects into the frasier river, and I caught a two foot sturgeon in it once. o.O Great fun. But sturgeon have been known to travel and sometimes into seemingly unlikely places. Now, is this "unknown" simply a sturgeon? I don't know. I think it could be. But I have never been to Siberia, nor this lake, so I cannot say. Eitherway, neat topic. Cheers.

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I've seen plenty of large fish jump over the years, most of them bigger than 10', and I agree - it can be freaky if you're not expecting it.

As for this instance and sturgeon, I'm having trouble finding a river with a sufficient depth, width and flow associated with this lake. I see a stream at the south end, but nothing for surgeon to spawn in, which is a necessity I think.

I caught a 6 footer on the Rogue, and there are much bigger Sturgeon than that in there.......Below is part of the rogue, and Sturgeon are above that area....Picture above that is a Rogue sturegon. ( Oregon River )...They can swim shallow waters..I have fished the Coos, and the Columbian also.Much bigger rivers.

Here is a link to video of rogue river sturgeons....Not a youtube, so can not put the media here.

http://southernoregonfishingreports.com/2011/08/rogue-river-sturgeon/

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Crap, if that was for me...oops....I meant to add that there are land locked sturgeon, many of them.....I know you said you only saw a stream, I was not trying to compare...

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Birds transport fish eggs as well. Unlikely but it does happen.

Just throwing out a reason for how a river fish could end up in a remote lake. Not saying that's what has happened, but a large fish in this lake is a lot more likely than a 'unidentified creature'.

Some wading birds relocate fish eggs that get stuck to their legs, thereby aiding in fish dispersal to other parts of a river or marsh.

http://www.extension.iastate.edu/naturemapping/monitoring/Importance_Birds.htm

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Almost as intriguing as this "Nesski" is the fact it's lake never freezes over, although in the coldest region in the world.

http://www.courierma...o-1226477728571

From the 1920s story I surmise that the creature observed at that time might be a gavial or crocodilian.

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