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AN.UNNA.KI

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I have posted this theory on other Forums and I would like to share it with this forum now.

My theory of a connection between 9/11 and 2012.

Since 9/11 I have been in denial about any conspiracies on the part of our government in connection with the events of that day. But after the shock wore off I started examining the stories in more detail. After looking at the footage of the events at the Pentagon I came to realize that this was a hoax. There was no plane crash at the Pentagon. Since then I keep my “Eyes Wide Open”

I love my country. I gave it three years of my life during the Vietnam War era. But after watching a video of a three-year independent investigation into the attack on the Pentagon I had to face, what in my opinion is a fact, that the events which took place at the Pentagon was a false flag operation carried out by our own government. Now I had to ask myself does this include all of the events on 9/11. The answer I came up with was yes! But the bigger question was why!!

Sounds so much like Pearl Harbor! The government needed to somehow change public opinion to get the United States into World War II. So off to war we go to face-off against Hitler's Germany and the Empire of Japan. What were the stakes? We could lose a few thousand sailors and civilians plus most of our fleet of battleships and destroyers anchored in Pearl Harbor. Our vital aircraft carriers just happen to be out on maneuvers. Was that luck or did we have prior knowledge of the attack?

Now let's weigh that against what might have happened if we never entered the war. Without our help all of Europe, Russia, the Middle East and Africa may have been in Hitler's hands. On the other side of the world the Japanese Empire may have included all of Indonesia the Far East including China. Now to me those are some very very high-stakes. As powerful as the United States was during that era I find it very hard to believe that we could have defeated both of these now superpowers alone. So looking at this scenario I would have to say that we really had no choice but to sacrifice Pearl Harbor.

Now let's fast-forward to just before 9/11. What was at stake here? Yes there was terrorism all around the world we had a few pain in the butt dictators but our biggest problem the USSR was now a nonfactor and so was China (at the time). The oil fields of the Middle East? No we took care of that during the Gulf War. Well maybe we still had some unfinished business with Saddam Hussein. Of what about that the economy needed a boost and all the bigwigs needed to capitalize on the war to make their millions of dollars. But all of this does not add up to the terrifying events of 9/11.

What in the hell is worth the loss of all those innocent souls plus the millions and billions of taxpayer money it cost to re-build what we destroyed?

I am just a regular guy with no formal education but I have enough of a brain to see when things just don't add up. So in my opinion. Let me say that again. In my opinion there was something inside the country of Iraq that we felt was worth all the sacrifices of 9/11. So we invaded Iraq under the pretense of stamping out the terrorists being harbored by the government of Iraq. Plus we knew that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. Well as it turns out we never found one. But we had teams searching all over Iraq. So what the hell were we looking for?

Let's go back to World War II and Hitler for just one moment. It is a fact that Hitler believed in ancient aliens. And that there were ancient texts scattered throughout the world that explains their advanced technology. So he sent expeditions throughout the world looking for this technology. And as we now know he must've found some of what he was looking for. Hitler had all types of rocket and jet engines which he used to make the V1 and V2 rockets or missiles and fighter planes powered by jet engines. Luckily for us he was not able to mass produce either of these two advanced technology weapons. The race was now on between the United States and Russia for all the German scientists. As we all know those scientists whom we grabbed out of Germany are the scientist which started our missile program and subsequently the ability for us to land on the moon and continue exploring our solar system.

So now could it be that what we were looking for in side of Iraq were similar technologies left behind by ancient aliens? In my opinion the answer is yes! What is the single most important resource needed throughout the world? A free limit less supply of clean energy! No more fossil fuels polluting the atmosphere. What is the source of power? I believe that what we were looking for and made all these sacrifices for was one of the “Crystal Skull's”.

According to Don Carlos Barrios, an expert on the Mayan calendar, member of the Council of Mayan elders and world Council of Mayan elders, there are 29 original Crystal skulls on earth. And when everything is in alignment with the Galactic center, all 29 Crystal skulls will be brought together at an undisclosed location where a sacred Mayan ceremony will be performed. It is believed that these skulls would then turn into some sort of device that would bring in the cosmic energy source that could be used in place of the fossil fuels we use today to power our homes, vehicles, ships, planes and everything else that depends on fossil fuels today. Don Carlos said that this ritual ceremony needed to be performed on a lake that had a small island in the middle. He was asked the name of the lake. He could not answer that. He was then asked if he could tell us in what country this lake was found. He answered-the United States of America! Why the United States? These skulls would be the most valuable objects the world has ever known. They will end life as we know it here on earth! And because of that they would need to be protected by the most powerful country on earth! The United States will also be charged with developing a global grid for this free energy to be used by every single person on earth. Do you see any problem developing here? What if the wealthy 1% want to harness this energy as a way to profit from it? This would cause the whole world to turn against us. Hopefully those of us in the United States who are not part of the 1% or 10% would also revolt against these profiteers. It may turn out that with all the power these people have amassed the may not be defeat able. That would mean that we would be slaves and they would be masters of earth! But hold on here. These skulls were left here by the ancient aliens to provide us with a technology that would help us save mother Earth. These aliens have been monitoring us for countless thousands and thousands of years. They would not allow the powerful to enslave the meek. They would make sure that the meek inherit the earth!! And with that would come a worldwide consciousness of respect and love for one another.

I love my country so much that I am going to give them the benefit of a doubt. And my doubt is that they knew of the Crystal skulls and what needed to be done to secure them even having to stage the events of 9/11 to accomplish their mission. I feel that sometime in the near future the truth will be told. And the burden of carrying the conspiracy theories involving all of the events of 9/11 will be lifted off our shoulders and once again we will be proud of being citizens of the greatest country in the world.

In doing further research on my theory I came across this this very similar theory on another site. Both theories have ET technology as the root cause for the "False Flag" operation carried out on 911!

THE SECRET RACE TO CONTROL IRAQ'S EXTRATERRESTRIAL HERITAGE!

In 1976, a scholar translating ancient Sumerian cuneiform texts published the first of his books, The 12th Planet. Zecharia Sitchin described the technological wonders and knowledge of the ancient civilization of Sumeria. What made his work controversial was that he claimed that the Sumerians were aided in starting their civilization by an advanced race of beings called the Anunnaki (Sumerian for ‘those who came from Heaven to Earth'). He described technological wonders possessed by the Anunnaki, and a factional war between the Anunnaki who finally departed the planet around 1700 BC. Furthermore, Sitchin described the home world of these beings as a mysterious planet that periodically returns to the vicinity of the solar system every 3,600 years. Sitchin's translations, when combined with biblical and historical records supporting the existence of ET races in human affairs, made clear the important role by this ancient ET race in the genesis of humanity. Sitchin's translations proved to be very controversial and mainstream archeologists dismissed the work as too speculative. However, there were very influential clandestine organizations that took Sitchin's work much more seriously.

Ever since at least 1947, US based clandestine organizations have been engaged in the reverse engineering of downed ET spacecraft, and communicating with different ET races. The most prominent of the reverse engineering efforts of clandestine organizations have involved a race of ETs commonly described as ‘Grays', similar in appearance to the ET's depicted in Steven Spielberg's famous movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. The technology possessed by the Grays was far advanced to anything possessed by humanity, and efforts began immediately to learn about and reverse engineer this technology. The content of Sitchin's work describing an ancient ET race would most certainly have aroused the curiosity of these clandestine organizations in the US and elsewhere. The possibility that the Anunnaki described by Sitchin had attained a level of technological sophistication even more advanced than that attained by Grays was something that had to be seriously explored. Even more perplexing for clandestine organizations, was the idea that this advanced race could one day return to the Earth and again interact with humanity as they did in the remote past.

It is very likely that various intelligence gathering efforts confirmed the validity of some if not most of Sitchin's hypotheses. US and European clandestine organizations would undoubtedly have made it a top priority to gain access to these ancient ET sites in southern Iraq to learn about the advanced technology used by the Anunnaki. Furthermore, they would have been interested in learning more about the purported home world of the Anunnaki in case it did indeed return to the vicinity of the solar system in the near future.

The problem, however, was that the Cold War still existed and Iraq was firmly in the Soviet sphere of influence. With the unlikelihood that Iraq would cooperate with US/European clandestine organizations in gaining access to these ancient ET sites, clandestine organizations in the US and Europe had a disturbing policy dilemma confronting them. If the international status quo remained, then at some point the Soviet Union might find these ET sites, and reverse engineer whatever technology existed and thereby eradicate whatever technological advantages the West might hold. Furthermore, if the home world of this race did return, then the Soviet Union would be best placed to respond to whatever contingencies this created.

Given the above scenario, it would have been scarcely imaginable that US and European clandestine organizations wouldn't have developed a top secret set of foreign policy goals whose aim it was to bring about US/European access to Iraq's buried ET technology. The success of the secret foreign policy goals of US/European clandestine organizations in gaining access to Iraq's ET heritage and preparing for a possible return of the Anunnaki, lay in promoting international conditions that would allow US/Europe to gain unfettered access to Iraq without provoking Soviet intervention and a full scale crisis in the midst of the Cold War. The way in which this could be done would be to promote a series of regional crises that would ultimately make Iraq dependent on the assistance of Western nations. The solution to the US/European policy dilemma was to sponsor upheaval in Iraq's main rival and regional powerhouse, Iran, that would inevitably force Iraq into a military confrontation with its more powerful neighbor, and thereby create opportunities for greater US/European influence in Iraq.

The primary focus of this secret agenda was that the Shah of Iran would be toppled, and replaced by a fundamentalist Islamic regime that would create havoc in the Persian Gulf region. The success of this radical plan rested in a twofold strategy of first withdrawing the traditional support of the US for the Shah of Iran who maintained a tight hold on political power through his powerful security forces; and second, fomenting an Islamic revolution. This success of this clandestine dual pronged strategy ultimately led to the collapse of the Shah's regime who had to flee from Iran on January 16, 1979.

The new Islamic Republic of Iran was a dire threat to the territorial integrity of Iraq and was an ideological rival to Iraq's Ba'ath socialist system. The new Iraqi regime under Saddam Hussein instinctively understood the threat posed by revolutionary Iran to Iraq, and decided to act while the Islamic regime was preoccupied by consolidating itself. Iraq launched a devastating attack in September 1980 that resulted in an eight year war that quickly ground down into a stalemate. Western states along with wealthy Arab states began to support Saddam's regime. The end of the Iran-Iraq war in 1988 occurred simultaneously with a rapidly transforming global political climate. Eastern bloc countries were beginning to collapse and the mighty Soviet Union was in the initial stages of its eventual disintegration into 15 independent republics. With the Soviet Union/Russia rapidly losing global influence, Western states gained greater prominence in Iraq. This was especially true for France and Germany, both of which played important roles in directly financing and aiding Iraq in its long war with Iran.

Soon after Saddam's elevation to power in 1979, he started the construction of a sophisticated network of underground tunnels and bunkers. These elaborate constructions were motivated both by the threat posed by Iranian missile attack, and Saddam's awareness that Iraq's ancient (ET) heritage, much of which lay buried, was the key to his own grandiose plans for regional dominance. It is very likely that at some point in the construction of these underground constructions throughout Iraq, evidence of Iraq's extraterrestrial civilization was first encountered. The complex task of studying and eventually reverse engineering these ET assets would have begun.

Despite its tacit support for Iraq in the Iraq-Iran war, the United States had a distinct disadvantage to its European partners/rivals in gaining access to Iraq's ancient ET sites who had a longer history in assisting Iraq's socialist regime. This meant that US based clandestine organizations had to ‘orchestrate' international events in a way that would fulfill the secret policy goal of gaining unfettered access to Iraq's ET heritage. Under the first President Bush, Iraq and Kuwait became engaged in a diplomatic crisis over the overproduction of oil by Kuwait in 1991. Kuwait's overproduction meant that world oil prices were deflated and Iraq's oil production would not generate the necessary revenue for Iraq to begin the difficult reconstruction process after its costly war with Iran. This resulted in making Iraq more dependent on Western states and clandestine organizations, a result that Saddam would not have been pleased with given his undoubted awareness that financial independence would give him maximum negotiating power over whom he allowed to exploit the ET resources on his territory. Even more vexing to the regime of Saddam Hussein, Kuwait was demanding repayment of the war loans it had given to Iraq during the eight year Iraq-Iran war.

In forcing a change in Kuwait's oil policies Iraq decided to adopt some brinkmanship and massed a large army on its border with Kuwait. At this critical point where Iraq was indicating its intent to possibly invade Kuwait if it did not change its policies, the US Ambassador to Iraq made what appeared to be a ‘crucial error'. In advising Iraq about what the US view was about the simmering Iraq/Kuwait despite, she said: "We have no opinion on your Arab-Arab conflicts ... such as your dispute with Kuwait. Secretary [of State James] Baker has directed me to emphasize the instruction ... that Kuwait is not associated with America." Given the history of Iraq's relationship with Kuwait, the ‘risk taking' personal psychology of Saddam Hussein, and the antagonistic policy of the Kuwaiti leadership, it could have been predicted that Saddam would interpret this as a green light to invade.

President Bush was a former head of the Central Intelligence Agency and therefore aware of, and likely a member of, US based clandestine organizations set up to reverse engineer ET technology. It is undoubtedly the case that Secretary Baker, as a close friend and former chief of staff for President Bush, would also have been aware of the need for US access into Iraq to reverse engineer whatever ET technology existed. Key figures in the Bush administration were most likely aware of any time line that existed in terms of a possible return of the Anunnaki home world.

Subsequently, Hussein did go ahead with a war against Kuwait on August 1990, and contrary to the message delivered by Glaspie, he found that the US was resolutely opposed to Iraq's invasion and did not favor any compromise over Kuwait. In the diplomatic negotiations over Iraq's withdrawal, the first Bush administration ruled out any concessions to Iraq. This meant that Russian diplomacy, motivated by awareness that a war would appreciably diminish Russia's relative advantage in gaining access to and reverse engineering ET technology in Iraq, would ultimately fail. The US led multinational military intervention that began in January 1991 led to the expulsion of Iraq from Kuwait, and resulted in the US for the first time having a strategic foothold in Iraq with a number of Security Council resolutions giving legitimacy to the US presence. The political and military crisis that engulfed Iraq and Kuwait, and led to military intervention first by Iraq, and then by the US, was orchestrated by US based clandestine organizations who desired unfettered access by the West into Iraq.

Unfortunately for the secret policy goals of the first Bush administration, it could not force regime change in Iraq. This meant US based clandestine organizations were now in a strategic bind in terms of accessing and exploiting the ET technology under the control of Saddam's regime. The US did not have the international authority to forcibly replace Saddam's regime and Saddam undoubtedly felt betrayed by the US. Clandestine European groups together with their Russian partners were in a stronger strategic position to their US partners/rivals in gaining access to and exploiting whatever ET technology existed in Iraq. Saddam was intent on having his vengeance against the US and Britain by denying all access to them. Given that the US had the most sophisticated reverse engineering program on the planet and was rapidly developing global preponderance as the world's lone superpower, this was a scenario that was deeply disturbing for US officials aware of the possible implications of the ET technology in Iraq to change the global balance of power. At the same time, European/Russian clandestine groups were concerned over the potential for the US to further consolidate its technological superiority and global dominance if it gained access to Iraq's ET technology.

Another obstacle to the plan of US based clandestine organizations to gain access to ET technology in Iraq, was the surprise election of President Bill Clinton in 1992. Unlike the first President Bush, Clinton was not privileged to information concerning the clandestine programs involving ET technology. Predictably, little happened during the period of the Clinton administration for completing the secret agenda of gaining unfettered access to Iraq's ET heritage. The election of the second Bush administration meant that the agenda of clandestine US organizations for gaining access to Iraq's ET heritage could resume. Many former officials from the first Bush and earlier Republican administrations supporting regime change in Iraq were appointed in the new administration.

In the build up to the threatened preemptive war in Iraq, a number of events had occurred that indicated that clandestine European/Russian organizations were at odds with their US partners/rivals. Germany was the first major nation that publically committed itself to ruling out a preemptive war against Iraq, irrespective of progress in the weapons inspection process that began after passage of Security Council Resolution 1441 on November, 8, 2002. Germany's staking out the ‘extreme position' made it possible for France, and then Russia, to take up the more moderate position of only calling for military intervention if Iraq failed to comply with Resolution 1441. France and Russia, effectively stymied US efforts in passing a further resolution calling for international military intervention in Iraq to remove any proscribed weapons of mass destruction.

Many have viewed the diplomatic opposition by the powerful trio of France, Russia and Germany to a preemptive war as being clearly in the interests of the world community united against the horror of an unnecessary war that would devastate the Persian Gulf region, and usher in more acts of terrorism in the Middle East and elsewhere. There is however evidence that what secretly motivated these nations is the awareness that US access to ET technology in Iraq would constitute a threat due to the growing power of US based clandestine organizations and their secret reverse engineering projects. US technological successes in reverse engineering ET technology must surely have been a concern for their less well funded and technically proficient partners/rivals in Russia, France and Germany. Importantly, European/Russian organizations were able to work within whatever constraints imposed by the regime of Saddam Hussein in reaching a preliminary understanding of the capabilities of this technology. A preemptive war that amounted to a unilateral take over of Iraq by the US and Britain, was something that European/Russian organizations would not support.

It is very likely that European/Russian clandestine organizations had ‘publically signaled' to their US counterparts that a unilateral takeover of Iraq was not acceptable. The destruction of the Space Shuttle Columbia on February 1 was very likely a result of the clandestine struggle over who would have access and control over Iraq's ET heritage. On March 5 an unusual amount of seismic activity had begun occurring around the planet. While much speculation surrounded the cause and seriousness of these seismic anomalies, it is worth exploring whether the anomalies were caused by advanced weapons technology that was either being tested or extensively used around the planet. The existence of advanced weaponry that could produce seismic activity, volcanoes and severe weather conditions was publically acknowledged by a speech given by former Secretary of Defense, William Cohen, in 1997, where at a conference discussing the threat posed by global terrorism he said: "Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves..." In a number of books and papers discussing ‘scalar weapons' which are capable of the effects described by Cohen, Tom Beardon suggests that such technology has been developed for decades by the former Soviet Union and other states. He provides extensive evidence that seismic and weather anomalies over the last thirty years have often been caused by these scalar weapons.

If anomalous seismic activity since February 5 was caused by scalar weaponry, then it is very likely that a secret war is occurring between clandestine groups over access and control over ET technology in Iraq. It is likely that European/Russian clandestine organizations are active in such a war that is being used to curtail US efforts to take sole control of Iraq's ET heritage. If a secret war is indeed occurring, then it is likely that in the interim before a new agreement is reached over access and control of ET technology in Iraq, there will continue to be a violent struggle between clandestine organizations that is kept from the public arena. Given the power of the ‘exotic' weaponry possessed by these clandestine groups, this means that the planet is entering a very dangerous period. As long as disagreement exists, and the US continues to project its power and control around the planet, violent opposition by non-US based clandestine groups is likely to occur.

The failure of a diplomatic solution to the Iraq crisis has ushered in a period of intense conflict between US based clandestine organizations with their former partners and now rivals in continental Europe who have aligned themselves with Russia. There is evidence that powerful exotic weapons such as scalar electromagnetic devices are being used around the planet in an effort to warn the US about overstepping itself, and to ‘encourage' a diplomatic solution to the current crisis over access and control of Iraq's ET heritage.

In the present political climate where the Bush administration appears intent on a unilateral foreign policy supported by a small number of loyal allies, there is likelihood of increased global conflict given the threat posed by US clandestine organizations gaining a strategic advantage over their European/Russian rivals. If predictions that the home world of the advanced race of ETs described by Sitchin is soon to reappear are accurate, this may help explain the intensified conflict between US and European/Russian clandestine organizations that currently exists. All clandestine groups may be jockeying for the best position in a race for ET technology and knowledge that may be necessary in a forthcoming ET confrontation/encounter that will determine the future of human civilization as we know it. The US led invasion of Iraq represents success of a decades long secret policy aimed at securing US access to Iraq's ET heritage.

Copyright © Michael E. Salla, PhD (March 30, 2003)

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This article is an extract from "America's Triumph and Europe's Angst"

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Yes, welcome aboard. :tu:

You are correct that the events of the day were staged by men with a particular agenda. As for whodunnit and why, it seems there are many possible scenarios, most impossible to prove. All that can be proved is that the official story is a lie. That, because the official story cannot be proved without the presence of some sort of Magic Wand that can suspend the rules of physics.

Those who served in the military seem to be the ones most capable of seeing the False Flag qualities to the events of the day and what they brought. Indeed, understanding that, one cannot help but think of Ike's warning in his Farewell Address.

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Yes, welcome aboard. :tu:

You are correct that the events of the day were staged by men with a particular agenda. As for whodunnit and why, it seems there are many possible scenarios, most impossible to prove. All that can be proved is that the official story is a lie. That, because the official story cannot be proved without the presence of some sort of Magic Wand that can suspend the rules of physics.

Those who served in the military seem to be the ones most capable of seeing the False Flag qualities to the events of the day and what they brought. Indeed, understanding that, one cannot help but think of Ike's warning in his Farewell Address.

yet you have not managed to show any evidence to support your "theory" that the official story is a lie. you have no knowledge of physics, you can keep claiming you do but it's been very clear in other threads that you have no knowledge of physics, in any way shape or form.

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yet you have not managed to show any evidence to support your "theory" that the official story is a lie. you have no knowledge of physics, you can keep claiming you do but it's been very clear in other threads that you have no knowledge of physics, in any way shape or form.

What the hell does having a knowlede of physics have to do with it. All I needed was a set of eyes and half a brain to figure this one out. Well wait I do know a little about physics? Would'nt physics say that if you crashed a 757 aircraft into a building that you should find large parts of that aircraft laying around? So you show me these large parts of that 757 and I will eat all my words and denounce my theory!!!!!!!!!! Come on man, that should be simple enough! Show me a part of the wing,landing gear, tail section anything. Take off those government issued rose colored glasses and open your eyes to the truth. Do you want more physics how about this. How does this alleged terrorist who's flying this 757 aircraft who had maybe 10 hours of flight training manage to fly this plane inches above the ground to slam into the ground floor of the Pentagon and not even leave a divot in the grass. A 757 aircraft is carrying thousands of pounds of jet fuel. It slams into the ground floor of the Pentagon. You would think it would incinerate everything inside this building. Yet when you look at the pictures you can still see office furniture and computers just sitting there not even shinged. There were more firefighting vehicles at a backyard barbecue fire than at the Pentagon.

What hit the Pentagon was a cruise missile fired by a black ops C-130. The 757 was piloted by an experienced American pilot. He was able to fly this aircraft just above the rooftops. As he approached the Pentagon he was able to bring this aircraft down to just feet above ground level and just before hitting the Pentagon building he was able to pull-up and way without hitting the Pentagon. Now the timing between this maneuver in the firing of the cruise missile by the C-130 had to be perfect and it was. Just behind the 757 was the C-130. He was coming in at a different approach. His approach was the approach that official government papers say that the 757 took. They even showed where this low-flying 757 knocked down light poles in its approach to hit the Pentagon. But what really happened was that just as that 757 banked up and away from the Pentagon the C-130 fired the cruise missile that hit the Pentagon. The official government reports say that the 757 was traveling at speeds over 500 mph. Now a 757 hitting a light post at over 500 mph should have demolished those post .but when you look at the pictures the post are only feet away from their base, and still intact. Now do you need to be a physicist to figure that one out? I can go on and on and on here but I now turn to you and say show me a large part of this 757 that allegedly slammed in to the ground floor of the Pentagon. The parts that they show as so called evidence when put together would not make a small pickup truck.

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What the hell does having a knowlede of physics have to do with it.

hmmm i don't believe i was responding to you.. *looks at post* hmmm nope i believe i was responding to another local bs'er who said "the official story cannot be proved without the presence of some sort of Magic Wand that can suspend the rules of physics." in previous threads which im sure you have not gotten around to yet he has been shown to know next to nothing about what he speaks on.

All I needed was a set of eyes and half a brain to figure this one out.

yeah.... shame you havn't figured out anything at all though.

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Ok show us a c-130 firing a missile on a picture or video

You must be kidding me. You want me to show you a picture or a video of a black ops C-130 firing a cruise missile at the Pentagon. Be for real man. Come on Dick don't be A. wouldn't it be more simple for you just to show me any significant part of this alleged 757 laying anywhere around the impact area. I mean there was not even a debris field. Are you trying to say that this 757 after impacting the Pentagon just disintegrated without a trace? I say the plane never hit the Pentagon. And my proof is the lack of any type of debris field showing significant parts of the 757. You say a 757 struck the Pentagon. Where is your proof?

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oh and hmmm whats this.

oh right you know actual eyewitnesses, science, and logic, something you guys never seem to use, but go ahead you truthers keep lying to yourselves i understand you guys just want to believe in this soo badly. it's almost like a drug for you people the need to believe in these theories so much so that you disregard mountainous piles of evidence that is in favour of the official story. the blind leading the blind as they say.

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You must be kidding me. You want me to show you a picture or a video of a black ops C-130 firing a cruise missile at the Pentagon. Be for real man. Come on Dick don't be A. wouldn't it be more simple for you just to show me any significant part of this alleged 757 laying anywhere around the impact area. I mean there was not even a debris field. Are you trying to say that this 757 after impacting the Pentagon just disintegrated without a trace? I say the plane never hit the Pentagon. And my proof is the lack of any type of debris field showing significant parts of the 757. You say a 757 struck the Pentagon. Where is your proof?

where did he say pentagon, oh yes thats right truthers twisting the words of others, standard play by you people.

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hmmm i don't believe i was responding to you.. *looks at post* hmmm nope i believe i was responding to another local bs'er who said "the official story cannot be proved without the presence of some sort of Magic Wand that can suspend the rules of physics." in previous threads which im sure you have not gotten around to yet he has been shown to know next to nothing about what he speaks on.

Ok. My bad.

yeah.... shame you havn't figured out anything at all though.

Maybe you should step away from that bottle and let your eyes and your mind clear out. Open your mind.

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You first i asked you first and i did not say firing at the Pentegon

That's a big copout. What is so hard about showing me any significant part of that 757.

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I say the plane never hit the Pentagon. And my proof is the lack of any type of debris field showing significant parts of the 757. You say a 757 struck the Pentagon. Where is your proof?

Start reading from page 1 and go all the way through the thread. Which page 1 you ask? The one on the other end of this link. :tu:

You'll save yourself a lot of embarrassment if you go through that thread and learn some things.

Cheers, and welcome to UM. :D

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That's a big copout. What is so hard about showing me any significant part of that 757.

i did. he has no need to he asked you a question do you plan on answering it or dodging like most truthers do?

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That's a big copout. What is so hard about showing me any significant part of that 757.

look on other threads, there's tonnes of pics and descriptions there

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look on other threads, there's tonnes of pics and descriptions there

All those pics and videos show nothing. Just show me one picture of any significant part of that 757. That's all I'm asking.

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I have posted this theory on other Forums and I would like to share it with this forum now.

Now let's weigh that against what might have happened if we never entered the war. Without our help all of Europe, Russia, the Middle East and Africa may have been in Hitler's hands. On the other side of the world the Japanese Empire may have included all of Indonesia the Far East including China. Now to me those are some very very high-stakes. As powerful as the United States was during that era I find it very hard to believe that we could have defeated both of these now superpowers alone. So looking at this scenario I would have to say that we really had no choice but to sacrifice Pearl Harbor.

Copyright © Michael E. Salla, PhD (March 30, 2003)

Forward as you wish. Permission is granted to circulate among private individuals and groups, post on all Internet sites and publish in full in all not-for-profit publications. Contact author for all other rights, which are reserved.

This article is an extract from "America's Triumph and Europe's Angst" http://www.exopoliti...tudy-Paper3.htm

For on-line link to this article and for author information go to: http://www.exopolitics.org/

AN.UNNA.KI

Read some history books before you perpetuate your own speculation and conjecture as fact.

All countries in Europe that Hilter desired to conquer were his before the US entered the war. All that was left was Britain...and he was whacking the snot out of Russia and Africa. Prescott Bush (George W's Grandfather) was in charge of the banks that held much of Nazi's money...hence the lack of political motivation at that level. Once the USA was in, the tide turned quickly. To suggest the US deliberately sacrificed thousands of lives and the might of their Pacific Fleet is disgusting.

I'm surprised you didn't add that the Moon landings were faked, the Earth is hollow, Reptilians rule the Earth, and you run your household on zero-point energy from a machine you invented in your garage from parts of a discarded toaster. :nw:

The rest of your blabber is pure nonsense. If you want to write a book, clearly promote it as fiction.

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